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UK Floor Cleaning Forum => Carpet Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: Chris R on February 02, 2012, 08:46:38 am
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Hello
I am thinking about getting a Jaguar 6.6 and was hoping for some feedback from those of you that own the machine?
Have you had any problems with the vac motors or water pump yet?
What's the build quality like? I used to own a scorpion and although I was impressed with the performance I felt that the build quality was very poor.
Do the back wheels still move about an inch on the metal bar?
Are the waste tank vac shut off floats any better on the new jag? They were rubbish on the scorpion, if you didn't keep an eye on it water would suck straight through into the vac :o
Any info would be much appreciated or if you would rather not post on the forum please email me at ChrisR2013@gmail.com
Thanks
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I have indeed got the 6.6 Jag. Firstly, it does have the same vac shut off floats as you describe. I've not had the problem you describe but then again, I use the auto dump so the waste level never gets near enough to cause any problems.
I have had no problems whatsoever with the pumps nor motors...
The newer features would be the auto-fill/dump and the handle is much better designed. The wheels aren't slack as they simply added washers and the axle is a little shorter.
I'll admit it, I wasn't sure what I thought at first because for one, I was used to a machine that had heat. After getting used to the machine and incorporating the Zeta and a back up Mytee Hot, the end results are fantastic. The Jag is so much more powerful than anything I have used and even some Scorpion owners have been tempted by the Jag and it's awesome power.
I'm sure someone in your area may have one for you to have a play with. I'd certainly invite anybody that's in the area to have a test drive with my Jag.... :)
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Colin answers the question very well. I have no issues with mine at all, a really powerful portable and with auto fill and dump it makes life easier and saves time on the job.
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Only 2 Jaguar owners with reviews to post?
I heard they had sold about 30 of these machines?
Any info (good or bad) much appreciated thanks
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No heat, what's that all about.
John
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I heard that there's approx 60 out there.
Shaun
PS You can borrow mine after the snow has gone I have a feeling I may need it net week.
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Only 2 Jaguar owners with reviews to post?
I heard they had sold about 30 of these machines?
Any info (good or bad) much appreciated thanks
Try 60+...
Jaguar owners don't tend to post much, as they are far too busy running successful carpet cleaning businesses.... :)
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... seriously though... Try one first...!
John.... You don't know what heat is unless (a) you use a TM or (b) you own a Zeta.... ;)
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Only 2 Jaguar owners with reviews to post?
I heard they had sold about 30 of these machines?
Any info (good or bad) much appreciated thanks
Try 60+...
Jaguar owners don't tend to post much, as they are far too busy running successful carpet cleaning businesses.... :)
60 in the whole world surely :)
Didn't i read he sold more to the cleantalk boys than in the whole USA .
Why no heat ?
Mainly because at USA 120v he has maxed each cord amp draw wise ...
at our 230v you could fit a 2000w internal heater but that would mean rearranging the interior for the euro model ...
Could also have a tank immersion heater , perhaps not ideal with a plastic tank although Ashbys seem to offer it as an option .
Besides its cheaper to just convince the flock that cold water and MS is better . ;D
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Only 2 Jaguar owners with reviews to post?
I heard they had sold about 30 of these machines?
Any info (good or bad) much appreciated thanks
Try 60+...
Jaguar owners don't tend to post much, as they are far too busy running successful carpet cleaning businesses.... :)
60 in the whole world surely :)
Didn't i read he sold more to the cleantalk boys than in the whole USA .
Why no heat ?
Mainly because at USA 120v he has maxed each cord amp draw wise ...
at our 230v you could fit a 2000w internal heater but that would mean rearranging the interior for the euro model ...
Could also have a tank immersion heater , perhaps not ideal with a plastic tank although Ashbys seem to offer it as an option .
Besides its cheaper to just convince the flock that cold water and MS is better . ;D
What would you know...?
It isn't advisable to run hot water through a pumphead, if you knew as much as you make out, you'd have known that anyway...
The Storm ALSO doesn't have heat as do a lot of machines...
I suggest you crack on with the cheapest motors you can find and build yourself a machine only Wallace & Grommet could match.... ;D
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Only 2 Jaguar owners with reviews to post?
I heard they had sold about 30 of these machines?
Any info (good or bad) much appreciated thanks
Try 60+...
Jaguar owners don't tend to post much, as they are far too busy running successful carpet cleaning businesses.... :)
60 in the whole world surely :)
Didn't i read he sold more to the cleantalk boys than in the whole USA .
Why no heat ?
Mainly because at USA 120v he has maxed each cord amp draw wise ...
at our 230v you could fit a 2000w internal heater but that would mean rearranging the interior for the euro model ...
Could also have a tank immersion heater , perhaps not ideal with a plastic tank although Ashbys seem to offer it as an option .
Besides its cheaper to just convince the flock that cold water and MS is better . ;D
What would you know...?
It isn't advisable to run hot water through a pumphead, if you knew as much as you make out, you'd have known that anyway...
The Storm ALSO doesn't have heat as do a lot of machines...
I suggest you crack on with the cheapest motors you can find and build yourself a machine only Wallace & Grommet could match.... ;D
Inbuilt heaters are situated post pump ...
Im thinking of incorporating advanced features ... like a waste tank that emptys fully when the gate is opened :P
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;D ;D ;D
BS
You really are an amateur, seriously, take up another hobby.....!
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Morning Colin Can i ask what the solution heater they sell as an add on is to buy .Obviously from your use of the jag withn the zeta you are very pleased indeed but is there anybody using the solution heater to good use as i havent seen anyone mention it yet.Regards Alan(swindon)
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Gentlemen, A couple clarifications:
Didn't i read he sold more to the cleantalk boys than in the whole USA .
Why no heat ?
Mainly because at USA 120v he has maxed each cord amp draw wise
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1. We have manufactured equipment since 1977-78. We do a pretty good job selling equipment here in the USA and abroad, so I'll leave this to anyones imagination if we sell more in the UK, or right here where we began. I can also pass along the fact that they have moved a lot more equipment in the European market than 30; not that it really matters.
2. Here in the USA, 120v heaters make no sense at all. Can't really heat fast enough to satisfy the Operator. Therefore, we provided additional performance in vacuum/CFM's.
Great questions and answers above, Gentlemen. You have a wonderful board. ;)
Best always;
Ed Valentine
Cross-American Corp.
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Ed a gent as always 8)
Guy,s lets not kick off on my machine is bigger or better than yours or we need heat or don,t. I have heard it too many times over too many years.
We pick the machine we like or can afford, we use the chemicals and suppliers we like best and then we go and EARN SOME MONEY.
Thats it really. :D
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Ed a gent as always 8)
Guy,s lets not kick off on my machine is bigger or better than yours or we need heat or don,t. I have heard it too many times over too many years.
We pick the machine we like or can afford, we use the chemicals and suppliers we like best and then we go and EARN SOME MONEY.
Thats it really. :D
It'd be pretty boring on here if nobody kicked off..... ;D ;D ;D
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Colin very true :D but it gets boring with the same old,same old ::)
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... seriously though... Try one first...!
John.... You don't know what heat is unless (a) you use a TM or (b) you own a Zeta.... ;)
Sorry but the Magma inline heater is very hot at 300 psi too hot to touch the quick connects without burning, its hot with cold in the tank and scolding with warm. i recently removed chewing gum with the steam it produced.
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Gentlemen, A couple clarifications:
Didn't i read he sold more to the cleantalk boys than in the whole USA .
Why no heat ?
Mainly because at USA 120v he has maxed each cord amp draw wise
...
1. We have manufactured equipment since 1977-78. We do a pretty good job selling equipment here in the USA and abroad, so I'll leave this to anyones imagination if we sell more in the UK, or right here where we began. I can also pass along the fact that they have moved a lot more equipment in the European market than 30; not that it really matters.
2. Here in the USA, 120v heaters make no sense at all. Can't really heat fast enough to satisfy the Operator. Therefore, we provided additional performance in vacuum/CFM's.
Great questions and answers above, Gentlemen. You have a wonderful board. ;)
Best always;
Ed Valentine
Cross-American Corp.
Saying as its me thats quoted , i would like to say , hopefully without sounding disingenuous , that any remarks or criticism i made are not suppose to sound too serious or personal .
I usually get sucked into discussions when certain claims are made by a few over zealous jag owners here or those posts trying to understand some of the performance claims for the 6.6 motor .
Where as the CA machine undeniably works very well in many areas , my own personal reasons while at this time i wouldn't buy one would be as follows ...
I did own a used scorpion for some time and while the motor performance was excellent , i found a few issues i didnt like ...
The waste tank design i feel places an unnecessary extra cleaning burden on the user as it doesn't fully empty and if for example the machine is van mounted it is an extra hassle to open the side bung , place a container , tilt the machine etc ...
also odor within the tank on a busy day is not desirable if you have bring it indoors unexpectedly for any reason .
I also found the cutoff floats rarely worked before water would enter vacs .
I didn't find it easily maneuverable and stair climbing is something most would only try once , i would prefer a forward facing handle also to pull the machine along side when walking or pull it through loose stone ground .
As you seem to admit above Europe 230v is not considered in design ... we could have either heat or even more vac performance to make optimum use of whats available here .
Also it would have been good to have tested the 6.6 and made the data available ...
No doubt it performs very well but there was much confusion and many in accurate claims made . still we dont know , we have mytees video claiming 250 cfm for two 6.6 .... jan sullins has tested at 270 cfm .... and now the Uk distributor claims 325 cfm ! great if true but seems optimistic , strangly its the same figure they got when testing the scorpion ... perhaps their gauge is stuck ;D
Just some of my views , i know its easy to be critical , and if the jag was in a newer revised body sometime i would consider buying for sure .
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The equipment used for the latest test is brand spanking new... And... it measured at 325.2 CFM's.....
I still wouldn't have any other machine with similar set up to the Jag. I won't say why, because unlike you John, I am traceable and could easily end up with a libel case to answer...
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... seriously though... Try one first...!
John.... You don't know what heat is unless (a) you use a TM or (b) you own a Zeta.... ;)
Sorry but the Magma inline heater is very hot at 300 psi too hot to touch the quick connects without burning, its hot with cold in the tank and scolding with warm. i recently removed chewing gum with the steam it produced.
I also have an inline heater for when I cannot get a constant water supply to the Zeta. I have lots of success with mine and rate them highly...
The Zeta runs a lot hotter and more consistently, however, an inline heater is (admittedly) more than hot enough.... ;)
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The equipment used for the latest test is brand spanking new... And... it measured at 325.2 CFM's.....
I still wouldn't have any other machine with similar set up to the Jag. I won't say why, because unlike you John, I am traceable and could easily end up with a libel case to answer...
Oh go on tell us , no one will sue you ;D
You wanna get that new gauge calibrated :P
Seriously though were you there for testing , did you do 50 and 100 ' just to see result , any other tests ?
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The equipment used for the latest test is brand spanking new... And... it measured at 325.2 CFM's.....
I still wouldn't have any other machine with similar set up to the Jag. I won't say why, because unlike you John, I am traceable and could easily end up with a libel case to answer...
Oh go on tell us , no one will sue you ;D
You wanna get that new gauge calibrated :P
Seriously though were you there for testing , did you do 50 and 100 ' just to see result , any other tests ?
I'm not at liberty to say.... ;)
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Hi Guys
I don't own either but as they have the same vac motors they are going to have very similar vac performance.
The rest looks, locality, quality of back up are down to personal prefernce.
Cheers
Doug
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Hi Guys
I don't own either but as they have the same vac motors they are going to have very similar vac performance.
The rest looks, locality, quality of back up are down to personal prefernce.
Cheers
Doug
You'd have thought so... But reliability is probably the over-all importance in my own opinion.
For instance, I bought an Alltec because a lot of CIU members said how reliable they were, where as my machine at the time was blowing motors like they were going out of fashion. I had the Alltec for 2 years and was sorry to see it go, a fantastic bit of kit which NEVER popped any of its 3 motors nor it's pump...
When pondering about the Jag, I waited until I could at least speak to some new owners about them and one of the reasons I really wanted one, is because Solution is just down the road which was ideal for servicing/spares requirements. Though I now know that wherever I lived, Solution send a purpose built crate for the Jag so it's packed and shipped easily and safely.
I also took heed that some of the more experienced C/C's believed in the Scorpion and were eagerly awaiting to see what else was to be pulled out of the hat. A lot of them have taken the plunge and I've not heard a bad word said, I myself highly recommend the Jag, in case you hadn't noticed.... ;D
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Hi Colin
Yes I have found the Alltec machines to be the most reliable machines of the portables I have had.
Cheers
Doug