Clean It Up
UK Floor Cleaning Forum => Carpet Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: Russ Chadd on January 25, 2012, 05:20:03 pm
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Im sure this question has been asked a million times but here i go...
Prochem do a selection of extraction products such as :
Extraction plus PH 9
Crystal green PH 9.5
Double clean PH 9.8
Fibresafe gold PH 9
Well im confused... what is the purpose of the above products? if you have already pre sprayed with a detergent, why would you add more detergent when extracting?
I thought the purpose was to rinse the carpet or fabric to remove soils and detergent?
Also the PH is quite high on these above products so if you for instance wanted to extract a wool carpet why would you use Fibresafe gold instead of lets say an acid based rinse product such as Fibre & fabric?
Does adding a detergent to the solution tank improve results in anyway?
Cheers guys
Russ
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fibresafe gold is a pre-spray, the old school method is detergents in the tank, which will clean but as you say will resoil.
Method today is higher ph pre - spray such as P/B or m/s agitated in and water or f/f rinse.
So 99% of the cleaniing is in the prep work. ;)
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Hi Paul Your thinking of Pre spray Gold.
Fibresafe Gold is a self neutralizing rinse.
Good product.
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These products are designed not to resoil. You have to remember a hell of a lot of carpet gets cleaned by other people other than carpet cleaners.
Take care homes for an instance. Lots of them use self propelled machines which spray and extract as they go along.
Formula 90 by Chemspec is reputed to be the worlds best selling carpet cleaning chemical. I have lots of customers who use this in the tank in fact I did myself most of the time when I cleaned carpets, no resoiling problems.
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Russ,
IMO - Ive had some great results recently on poly props- Used Powerburst prespray then Double Clean in the tank...For me much better than just PB then Extraction Pro. (Extraction Pro is now relegated to the garden shed).
Never used the rest so can't comment.
As for wool I use Pure Clean (Pre Spray) and a few scoops for the tank..Seems to work for me
Wayne
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Not to long ago I did an experiment to look into this. I vacuumed a rug (polyprop) then presprayed it with PB. I then extracted half the rug with Double clean and the other half with just water. Once dry there was no visible difference to either half, neither the feel of the pile was different. What suprised me the most was the PH test. No difference, both sides tested at PH 8.
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I use intank detergents on most job. (Forumla90) Definatly cleans better than just acid rinse or water espesically on mingers. I wouldn't buy it other wise :)
Tony
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I would expect to find both sides the same as the solutions you have used have evaporated.When cleaning you dont change the ph of the fibre itself the fibre comes in to contact with an akaline or an acid depending what you are using and any reading you took while cleaning would show that.
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a dry carpet will not have a PH reading, you have to apply distilled water then agitate then test the pH of the distilled water and any remaining detergent than was remaining on the carpet. this will give a reading equivalent to the pH of the detergent used to initially clean the carpet
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Yep 'Dries neutral' another example of marketing shinaningins.
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I use intank detergents on most job. (Forumla90) Definatly cleans better than just acid rinse or water espesically on mingers. I wouldn't buy it other wise :)
Tony
Tony - Do you pre spay as well?
Wayne
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Interesting replies i must say
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I use intank detergents on most job. (Forumla90) Definatly cleans better than just acid rinse or water espesically on mingers. I wouldn't buy it other wise :)
Tony
Tony - Do you pre spay as well?
Wayne
Yip
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Will say since I stopped using double clean in my tank on the odd occasion,my pumps are lasting twice as long !!
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Flushing pumps through at the end of the day with fresh water will help a lot if using tank detergent. Otherwise there is chemical sitting in the pump head overnight.
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Russ
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Russ
prochem are very cleaver with their dilutions. its about value for money. cheap will run out faster and you end up paying more. cleaver
or even clever Ian
respects
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An not being Funny but your in the tacca? and i thought you had to be trained to join?
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An not being Funny but your in the tacca? and i thought you had to be trained to join?
This is exactly the kind of useless comment that can put people off asking questions.
It was a perfectly valid question - illustrated by the variety of different answers, and comments like this only serve to make you look like a pompous prat.
All in my opinion, of course.
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can double clean be used as a prespray?
guess i must be scared off from comments on ph levels as i'd never think of leaving a carpet with a ph that high, but it's probably no different to using something like fairy on the carpet. i like to neutralise too much
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An not being Funny but your in the tacca? and i thought you had to be trained to join?
What the hell has training got to do with asking a perfectly reasonable question about Prochem in tank detergents and their purpose?
The only in tank product Prochem talked about on the CC courses was fibre fabric rinse. I found it difficult to understand why you would pre spray the carpet using a detergent with a PH of lets say 9 and then rinse the carpet using a detergent in the tank with the same PH level?
When you wash your hair you use plain water to remove the shampoo...
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There are a lot of people who don't use a pre-spray and just clean using the wand and tank detergent.
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Last week I ran out of power burst on a job so on next job (to far to travel back home for some more) I used Double Clean as a prespray. I found it ok and must say excellent on the draft marks. I used it at the same mixing as I would with the Power Burst.
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There are a lot of people who don't use a pre-spray and just clean using the wand and tank detergent.
In the 90's this was the way that most people were taught, double clean in the tank or crytal green, water as hot as you could get it, swirl round with a wooden spoon to make sure that it all mixed in, and then just go for it...........
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Right... so this method is used mainly by people who choose not to pre spray or use push along machines?
Pre spraying & agitation seems to be the most effective method for most people and surely has got to be the most efficient method rather than simply squirting and sucking? :o
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yup
;D ;D ;D
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Pre spraying & agitation seems to be the most effective method for most people and surely has got to be the most efficient method
I do that now and then extract with a pad, whereas most on here extract with HWE
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There are a lot of people who don't use a pre-spray and just clean using the wand and tank detergent.
In the 90's this was the way that most people were taught, double clean in the tank or crytal green, water as hot as you could get it, swirl round with a wooden spoon to make sure that it all mixed in, and then just go for it...........
Wonder what the carpet cleaning masters (manufacturers/Training schools) will be telling us in another 20 years
I went on a rush job yesterday, pre sprayed through my wand f90 in tank detergent. brush in 5 min dwell
Great result (got me thinking) Saved me about 20 mins in time. Extracted with the f90that was still in tank.
Paul
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the problem is most carpet cleaners get their knowledge from companies trying to sell them stuff or from other carpet cleaners who are as inexperienced and are just repeating what they have read or heard..... like the 'hair shampoo, rinsing' analogy its total bollox but is regurgitated every time detergents are mentioned (just like the dirt will turn to mud if you don't vacuum)
we should all be students of the science of cleaning read every thing we can find from impartial sources, it sounds sad but I look at the ingredients of cleaning products and any chemical I don't know I search on google...... don't just use F90 but look at the ingredients and search them on google. find out how and why they work
most training courses don't teach why we use a product or how it works...... only which product to use
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and if taught correctly all one really needs to know to be successful is which to use. you can think of yourself as a better cleaner then others who don't know but in reality both will be able to do a great job if taught correctly.
i'd never care if my painter knew every single product in the paint, just as long as he was using the correct gloss for my walls etc
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id say we could knock some of these products together with a trip to Tesco and a bit of knowledge ...
formula 90 looks to be a mild detergent ... ( 20% surfactant ... + bit of water softener , bit or orange oil ) and 20% washing soda to make it alkaline ...
you could rince with milder detergent + lemon juice for your acid rince .... or just acidic water
DIY :D
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and if taught correctly all one really needs to know to be successful is which to use. you can think of yourself as a better cleaner then others who don't know but in reality both will be able to do a great job if taught correctly.
i'd never care if my painter knew every single product in the paint, just as long as he was using the correct gloss for my walls etc
Adam would you mind if you went to the doctor with a headache and he give you headache pills, then you drop down dead with a brain tumour or the headache pills react with the indigestion tablets you take and causes stomach ulcers?
also you were asking why your pump won't work....... so you want to know how a pump works but not how your chemicals work ;)