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Title: Is My Web Site Outdated ? ?
Post by: L.Doubtfire - The Blade Runner on January 19, 2012, 06:15:16 pm
Hi members,just wondered what your views and opinions are on this.
I called in at a local web site designer company today and  asked them
Their opinion of my web site and how it could be improved in order to
Generate me some more `leads`etc.
After looking at it,they said it was old fashioned and out of date and that
Was the reason I was`nt getting any enquiries.It also was`nt getting picked
Up on `Google .
This is what they have offered me.

A 3 page template solution.
Template design of 3 pages.
Static Image Banner.(Creating visual Impact)
Website Editor (Compatible with Macs`and PC`s )
Purchasing Professional Stock Images ( Lifetime Licenced)
Customer Feed Back Form or Contract Form.
2 MB Download Space for PDF`s etc.
Location Map
Dedicated Customer Account Manager            £199. 95p plus VAT


Monthly Fee £11.74p plus VAT ( Covers Domain Renewal,Hosting,E,Mail,
Backups,CMS and unlimited support )

My website is    www.gleemclean.co.uk


Thanks in advance for replies.

Title: Re: Is My Web Site Outdated ? ?
Post by: DMC Window Cleaners Ltd on January 19, 2012, 06:44:46 pm
give me a call my new site goes live in the next few days
Title: Re: Is My Web Site Outdated ? ?
Post by: Steve CM on January 19, 2012, 06:57:15 pm
Has the company got a link so we can see the standard of website they are offering for 199 quid
Title: Re: Is My Web Site Outdated ? ?
Post by: Inside Out on January 19, 2012, 07:09:41 pm
Your site looks fine to me. A new website won't generate more leads any more than this one. There are tricks to get any website found easier. Start by registering your details on all free listings, yell.com, tompsonlocal, google etc. The more things you are on, the easier you are to find. My website cost me about 5 evenings and then 7 a month for webhosting!
Title: Re: Is My Web Site Outdated ? ?
Post by: L.Doubtfire - The Blade Runner on January 19, 2012, 07:12:55 pm
This is an example they showed me for the same price
www.henrystransport.com


Lewis  Doubtfire
Title: Re: Is My Web Site Outdated ? ?
Post by: Inside Out on January 19, 2012, 07:35:21 pm
 :-[ to me, it looks no better than what you already have mate!?
Title: Re: Is My Web Site Outdated ? ?
Post by: Gary f on January 19, 2012, 07:38:33 pm
Try using fast hosts . I did one for previous business. Pay per month give it a go... Cheap and if it dont work re change it....... if you can use word you can make one pretty cheap.


i done one using simple template and played around with it, good luck
gary ;)
Title: Re: Is My Web Site Outdated ? ?
Post by: AJ on January 19, 2012, 07:40:29 pm
This is an example they showed me for the same price
www.henrystransport.com


Lewis  Doubtfire


It may look a bit more stylish than yours, but it hasn't been constructed any better than yours.
It has a pointless <title> no <description> no <keywords> tags built in to the code. Also, it doesn't show on google for 'transport yorkshire' or 'car delivery yorkshire', which I would assume is what they would like to be found for.
With a few tweeks, that you can do yourself, to your site it could rank on google.

Title: Re: Is My Web Site Outdated ? ?
Post by: p1w1 on January 19, 2012, 07:55:59 pm
you could give this guy an e-mail, he built my site and a couple of others i know about very helpfull and wont try and push anything on you..
his name is marcus http://www.tattoo-web-design.co.uk/

paul
Title: Re: Is My Web Site Outdated ? ?
Post by: Steve CM on January 19, 2012, 08:12:31 pm
Their site design is pony and that's why they are only charging you 199. I would expect to pay a good bit more for a nicely designed site
Title: Re: Is My Web Site Outdated ? ?
Post by: concept on January 19, 2012, 08:19:15 pm
Their site design is pony and that's why they are only charging you 199. I would expect to pay a good bit more for a nicely designed site

Not wrong.

My new site isn't costing fortunes, but a good designer is a good designer, and can make something every basic look good.

I know a good graphic designer too which helps...
Title: Re: Is My Web Site Outdated ? ?
Post by: Steve CM on January 19, 2012, 08:25:34 pm
How much you paying for yours Simon?

Baring in mind I know you squeak when you walk :)
Title: Re: Is My Web Site Outdated ? ?
Post by: concept on January 19, 2012, 08:54:05 pm
How much would you pay, as you've seen it.
Title: Re: Is My Web Site Outdated ? ?
Post by: Steve CM on January 19, 2012, 08:57:25 pm
I haven't seen it finished. So I will pass judgement till then.

Tell us how much
Title: Re: Is My Web Site Outdated ? ?
Post by: concept on January 19, 2012, 08:58:50 pm
Wait til it's finished and I'll squeak.
Title: Re: Is My Web Site Outdated ? ?
Post by: Window Washers on January 19, 2012, 09:00:16 pm
Wait til it's finished and I'll squeak.
knowing you it is peanuts, and then you will have screwed them down


to keep on post, if you think this is good for the price your nuts,

they hide an email address thinking they are good, here is the seo or lack of it, have a look there is little to see Lewis,
talking about a company name is a fail straight away unless it is generic, it may damage a companies pride but they need to hear this as it will not help them, needle/haystack comes to mind.:
at the start look at the title of this site, clearly done by someone that does not have a clue about what they are doing, look at the keywords, then the description, if you dont know this company then it will not rank at all, then there is the text and a whole host of other thigns that are missing that are basic things, dude what ever you do, do not use this company, they may make a site that looks nice, nice sites do not make money trust me, sites that work in serach engines make money!!! this will not, take my advice or not is your choice, please respect I do know a little about what I am talking about, I did text you and would have shown you these errors step by step so you did not get taken for a ride, I respect you turned this down, thats cool :)



Have a look, this is done by a designer not a person that knows how a website will convert

<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/loose.dtd">
<html>
<head>
<title>Henrys Transport</title>

<meta name="keywords" content="Henrys Transport">
<meta name="description" content="Henrys Transport">

<link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" href="template/style.css">

<style type="text/css" media="screen">

body { background:url(template/background.gif) repeat-x #fff; font-family:tahoma, arial, sans-serif; font-size:62.5%; color: #070f44; text-align: center; padding: 0px; margin: 0}

</style>

<script type="text/javascript" src="template/javascript.js"></script>
<script language="javascript" type="text/javascript" src="template/swfobject.js"></script>
<script type="text/javascript" src="template/ale.js"></script>
<script type="text/javascript" src="template/swjs.js"></script>
<script type="text/javascript" src="template/wiz_validation.js"></script>


</head>
<body>
   <div id="container">
      <div id="head">
         <div id="sitelogo"><img src="template/logo.jpg"/></div>
         <div id="head_right">   
            <div id="hbc"><a class="book" href="javascript:window.external.AddFavorite('http://www.henrystransport.com', 'Henrys Transport')">Bookmark[/url] | <a class="home" href="http://www.henrystransport.com">Home[/url] | <a class="contact" href="mailto:info@henrystransport.com">Contact[/url] </div>
            <div id="call"><img src="template/phone.jpg" alt="Call Us Now" /></div>
            
            <!--If this is an ecommerce site uncomment this section out for the search bar, and comment out the call div<div id="search"><form action="shop.cgi" method="GET" name="form1"><INPUT class="searchbox" TYPE="TEXT" NAME="keyword" size="16" maxlength="15" value="Quick Search"><input type="hidden" name="view_products" VALUE="SEARCH"><input id="go2" type="image" src="template/search_button_2.gif" value="go"  name=submit></form></div>-->
         </div>
      </div>
      <div id="date">
      </div>
      <!--<div id="top_menu">
      </div>-->
      <div id="left">
         <h5>Main <span>Menu</span></h5>
         <div id="left_menu">
<ul id="nav">
<li><a href="home.htm" id="active" >Home[/url]</li>
<li><a href="our_services.htm" >Our Services[/url]</li>
<li><a href="gallery.htm" >Gallery[/url]</li>
<li><a href="contact_us.htm" >Quote[/url]</li>
</ul>

<div class="clear"></div>
         </div>
         <!-- <h5 class="sign"><a href="contact_us.htm">Click Here For Quote[/url]</h5> -->
                  <h5 class="c_details">Contact <span>Details</span></h5>
         <div id="contact_details">
Company Name

 145 - 157
John Street,
 London,
 EC1V 4PY




Company Number

6587090



Email

<a href="mailto:info@henrystransport.com">info@henrystransport.com[/url]



         </div>
<div id="video">
<object width="162" height="146" ><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/kmOoLlQuZ8A?fs=1&hl=en_GB"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/kmOoLlQuZ8A?fs=1&hl=en_GB" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="162" height="146" ></embed></object>



</div>

      </div>
      <div id="right">
         <div id="top_pic"><img src="template/banner.jpg" /></div>
         <div id="pagebody"><h1>Welcome to Henrys Transport Ltd; <span style="font-size: small">specialists in vehicle transportation</span></h1>
<p>Henrys transport Ltd are specialists in vehicle transportation based in Barnsley South Yorkshire we offer professional vehicle transport services nationally, with our dedication to the industry, knowledge and experience you can be assured that your car is in the right hands.&nbsp;</p>
<h3>Why Choose Us?</h3>
<ul>
    <li>Our excellent communication with streamline operations enables our prices to be extremely competitive in the market place.</li>
    <li>We own and run modern VW transporters with trailers, these are designed to ease the loading of lowered and modified sports and prestige vehicles.</li>
    <li>With the latest satellite navigation and trucking facilities our equipment aids us to provide an efficient and reliable service every time.</li>
    <li>An electronic proof of delivery with onsite condition/damage report can be provided after each job if requested.</li>
    <li>Henrys Transport provides a complete door to door service, compliant with UK law and holds full comprehensive insurance for each individual car carried.</li>
    <li>We also have availability to store vehicles overnight where again all vehicles in our care are fully covered by our insurance.</li>
</ul></div>
      </div>
      <div id="copyright">&nbsp;</div>
      <div id="bottom">
         <div id="valid">© Copyright Henrys Transport</div>
         <div id="sitewizard">SiteWizard.co.uk <a href="http://www.sitewizard.co.uk/website_design.htm" target="_blank">Website Design[/url] & <a href="http://www.sitewizard.co.uk" target="_blank">eCommerce Software Shopping Cart Solutions[/url]</div>
         

      </div>

   </div>
 </body>
</html>
Title: Re: Is My Web Site Outdated ? ?
Post by: Steve CM on January 19, 2012, 09:02:36 pm
I'll hazard a guess that you got some little poor boy to bend over the desk while you pumped him into mercy! :D
Title: Re: Is My Web Site Outdated ? ?
Post by: Erithwc on January 19, 2012, 09:18:04 pm
a website can be a great tool for your business but if people can't find your site or if its poorly designed you might not get the custom.

im just getting a one page site done at the moment its nearly done just a few things need doing then im hoping it will go live next week  ;D

http://pomserve1.com/dj/brochure/ErithWindowCleaning/html6/index.php (http://pomserve1.com/dj/brochure/ErithWindowCleaning/html6/index.php)
Title: Re: Is My Web Site Outdated ? ?
Post by: Window Washers on January 19, 2012, 09:22:16 pm
I'll hazard a guess that you got some little poor boy to bend over the desk while you pumped him into mercy! :D
;D
Title: Re: Is My Web Site Outdated ? ?
Post by: VSP Home Care on January 19, 2012, 09:29:24 pm
Window Washers is correct, they've not even mentioned submitting your site to any search engines.  There's very little wrong with your current site either.

Title: Re: Is My Web Site Outdated ? ?
Post by: bobplum on January 19, 2012, 10:31:12 pm
Hi members,just wondered what your views and opinions are on this.
I called in at a local web site designer company today and  asked them
Their opinion of my web site and how it could be improved in order to
Generate me some more `leads`etc.
After looking at it,they said it was old fashioned and out of date and that
Was the reason I was`nt getting any enquiries.It also was`nt getting picked
Up on `Google .
This is what they have offered me.

A 3 page template solution.
Template design of 3 pages.
Static Image Banner.(Creating visual Impact)
Website Editor (Compatible with Macs`and PC`s )
Purchasing Professional Stock Images ( Lifetime Licenced)
Customer Feed Back Form or Contract Form.
2 MB Download Space for PDF`s etc.
Location Map
Dedicated Customer Account Manager            £199. 95p plus VAT


Monthly Fee £11.74p plus VAT ( Covers Domain Renewal,Hosting,E,Mail,
Backups,CMS and unlimited support )

My website is    www.gleemclean.co.uk


Thanks in advance for replies.




have you tried the one being advertised on TV i think its called 1 to 1 websites  try that
Title: Re: Is My Web Site Outdated ? ?
Post by: CleartechLee on January 19, 2012, 11:37:55 pm
I use 1and1.co.uk they are good price wise and have decent features for the low cost
Title: Re: Is My Web Site Outdated ? ?
Post by: Window Washers on January 20, 2012, 12:36:20 am
I use 1and1.co.uk they are good price wise and have decent features for the low cost

a low cost website will not make you any return, it is low cost for a reason
Title: Re: Is My Web Site Outdated ? ?
Post by: Tom White on January 20, 2012, 12:43:59 am
I use 1and1.co.uk they are good price wise and have decent features for the low cost

a low cost website will not make you any return, it is low cost for a reason

Hmmmm.  Mine is a DIY website, therefore free, and I pay £12 a year for hosting.  And after the paid for rankings, I'm the first top ranking in my local area on google search.  I've had two jobs from it this week.
Title: Re: Is My Web Site Outdated ? ?
Post by: L.Doubtfire - The Blade Runner on January 20, 2012, 06:22:09 am
Tosh,this is my whole and very point.With your site being
As basic and cost effective as it is,,,,and ya got 2 jobs last
Week,,,,,,,,I hav`nt had 2 jobs from mine in the whole time
I`ve had my web site!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Most members say there`s nothing wrong with my site as it
Is. ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ???

If that’s the case,why don`t I get any leads thru`it ? ???
What am I doing wrong ? :'( :'(
I just don`t get it at all :o ??? :-\ :-\ :'(



Lewis  Doubtfire
Title: Re: Is My Web Site Outdated ? ?
Post by: Inside Out on January 20, 2012, 07:05:34 am
As I said before. If you ONLY have your website, you're, as someone put it, a needle in a haystack. Get yourself listed on yell.com, tompson local, google etc. Actually google windowcleaner in your area, the whatever listings come up, register yourself on as many as possible.

It'll take some of your time, but will ne worth it.

The more places you are, the easier you are to find, the more hits you will get, the more work will come your way.

Register yourself here too statcounter.com. its free, and you'll be able to monitor your hits on site.

And make yourself a facebook page! I get 1 or 2 jobs a week off of that too!

Hope this helps.
Title: Re: Is My Web Site Outdated ? ?
Post by: Window Washers on January 20, 2012, 07:14:04 am
I use 1and1.co.uk they are good price wise and have decent features for the low cost

a low cost website will not make you any return, it is low cost for a reason

Hmmmm.  Mine is a DIY website, therefore free, and I pay £12 a year for hosting.  And after the paid for rankings, I'm the first top ranking in my local area on google search.  I've had two jobs from it this week.
Tosh, do you know what you are doing with a website ? and do you paid for rankings ?
Title: Re: Is My Web Site Outdated ? ?
Post by: Window Washers on January 20, 2012, 07:25:09 am
Tosh,this is my whole and very point.With your site being
As basic and cost effective as it is,,,,and ya got 2 jobs last
Week,,,,,,,,I hav`nt had 2 jobs from mine in the whole time
I`ve had my web site!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Most members say there`s nothing wrong with my site as it
Is. ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ???

If that’s the case,why don`t I get any leads thru`it ? ???
What am I doing wrong ? :'( :'(
I just don`t get it at all :o ??? :-\ :-\ :'(



Lewis  Doubtfire

Lewis it is missing the most basic of things, the people that say it looks ok, are right, BUT with websites looks are not everything, there is a lot more to a website than the visuals of it, this is taken from the source code of your website (what a search engine spider will look at):

meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8" />
<title>Gleem Clean</title> This part is the title of your website now unless they already know your name it is next to useless
<meta name="keywords" content="there is nothing in this there should be at least one keyword" />
<meta name="description" content="this describes your website to visitors, there is nothign written here" />
<link href="default.css" rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" />
</head>
<body>

the h tags and alt tags in your site could also be optimized at present there not, this is one of the reasons you get nothing from it.
lewis the first thing I would do is change this and test it out, add the relevent things to it.

Or pay someone that knows what they are doing to do it for you.

If you want to get work from a website you need to work at it more so now than you used to due to googles panda updates (will not go into that as it getting very confusing)
Title: Re: Is My Web Site Outdated ? ?
Post by: Dave Willis on January 20, 2012, 07:27:08 am
Might not be the website as such. It might just be that there is little work in your area anyway. I have a decent site and free listings with several companies. I also have a statcounter on my site to monitor the views. There is little local traffic coming through although I do get work.
People who sell websites will obviously feed you all the bull they can, I believe a website is just another tool to help with sales. There are other ways.
Title: Re: Is My Web Site Outdated ? ?
Post by: H S and Son on January 20, 2012, 07:29:43 am
I use 1and1.co.uk they are good price wise and have decent features for the low cost

a low cost website will not make you any return, it is low cost for a reason

Now now Ian, that's not a particularly accurate statement is it :0)
Title: Re: Is My Web Site Outdated ? ?
Post by: Window Washers on January 20, 2012, 07:40:51 am
I use 1and1.co.uk they are good price wise and have decent features for the low cost

a low cost website will not make you any return, it is low cost for a reason

Now now Ian, that's not a particularly accurate statement is it :0)
ok I will reword it, Just for you and Tosh  :-*
getting a low cost website and trying to do something you dont have a clue about is not a good investment, how about that.

Or Low cost websites lack (Normally  ;)) what more professional ones have in the way of SEO, then some companies are website designers and dont have a clue about SEO which does not help people that do not understand it.
Someone put on here that webdesigners will sell you and thats right, if they do make sure you question the SEO of the site as thats one of the keys for you to get traffic.


Tosh spents time on his website yet seems not to value his time, IMO thats not a low cost website, he may have paid very little but I bet money it took him a load of his time to do it, which to me has a cost.

is that any better, if not I will try to re word it again for you Matt  ;)
Title: Re: Is My Web Site Outdated ? ?
Post by: H S and Son on January 20, 2012, 07:48:24 am
;0)

Looks alright to me  ;)
Title: Re: Is My Web Site Outdated ? ?
Post by: Window Washers on January 20, 2012, 07:50:14 am
;0)

Looks alright to me  ;)
;D

Good stuff :P
Title: Re: Is My Web Site Outdated ? ?
Post by: bobby p on January 20, 2012, 07:55:01 am
i would get a photo of a house on there as you do domestic. and get that guy turning sideaways on so he is smiling to the camera  .
Title: Re: Is My Web Site Outdated ? ?
Post by: marcus stacks on January 20, 2012, 08:43:44 am
I do free design and only charge for the hosting and SEO each month. 14.99 once the site hits page one. No point in having a website if its not on page one your business critical term, example "window cleaners in YOUR TARGET AREA!" so thats all i charge for!

heres an example of a layout i lik to use (coded by hand as i was taught)

http://www.template6.tattoo-web-design.co.uk/ the design is copyright to me but is free to use as long as long as you want and as long as it remains on my servers. This design is an seo DREAM as I wrote every line of code to be as SEO friendly as possible!

A guy who is using this layout can be found here  http://www.reachtoclean.co.uk (customised to his own specifications). Now goto google and type in "window cleaners wakefield" and see the result!

this can be customised to your needs logos/colours features added or removed, a coupld more pages thrown in. As you can see its very flash and conforms to W3C coding standard which all sites should... Its also very smart, blocking much of the spam that comes from the "callback request form!"

I also supply a login area you can add/edit/delete news/offer items testimonies and faq's. I’m working on adding on an area people can manage their customers details, keep records and stuff but that’s down the road!

As I say my design and setup is free (you just can’t move the site elsewhere) but I have to charge for hosting and SEO to get the site ranking well on page one (14.99 per calendar month)!

If you like the layout linked to above and want to use it (obviously i would customise it to your business needs, colours/photos/logos/pages) email me at admin@tattoo-web-design.co.uk and ill try and fit you in, you may have to wait a couple of weeks but ill get around to you!

p.s i only take on a single person per town, pointless trying to get two sites ranking well for the same area, so if your targeting a town that someone else i do work for is covering i cant help!
Title: Re: Is My Web Site Outdated ? ?
Post by: carl stanton on January 20, 2012, 08:45:21 am
;0)

Looks alright to me  ;)
;D

Good stuff :P
that was a big sigh Ian  :D lol
Title: Re: Is My Web Site Outdated ? ?
Post by: Window Washers on January 20, 2012, 08:48:54 am
;0)

Looks alright to me  ;)
;D

Good stuff :P
that was a big sigh Ian  :D lol
lol it was  ;D


Marcus, do people really pay you £14.99 to hold there company over a barrel ? I thought that business model stopped around the same time everyone lost there websites with free netname.

Your site looks great but IMO people should hold the rights to there website not a person charging them monthly. that page look very much like a wordpress theme I have.


Ian
I am not saying this to try and get myself business because I am not interested in taking on any more at the moment. (just to clear that up for Carl  :-* )
Title: Re: Is My Web Site Outdated ? ?
Post by: marcus stacks on January 20, 2012, 08:59:12 am
>>>Marcus, do people really pay you £14.99 to hold there company over a barrel ? <<<

No m8, people pay me 14.99 a month if they have a site that isnt getting them any work and I give them a site that DOES get them work. Its called *adverting*, no different than paying for advertising ANYWHERE ELSE. I dont charge for the design i just throw it in because it looks BETTER than what these people have to work with in the first place. They can stick to thier current website that isnt bringing them in new work. I dont force anyone to have a website that works....... So to sum up I am HAPPY to do the same SEO work on thier current sites m8!

Page one of Google is where the business is at! and as I worked for a SEO company before I KNOW ONE will keep your site at page one for less! in fact they will say "we are very good at getting our clients to page one" take your money upfront and not care. I get clients to page one FIRST and they can walk away whenever they want! Go ring a few legit places right now and let us know how much they charge upfront, £300 per year at the very least JUST for SEO, they dont throw in a free website.

How am I holding anyone over a barrel by giving them a tool that works, a tool they can walk away from ANY time they want?

No thats not an open source wordpress site, its a closed source proper website i built from scratch over months. Tell me does your site pass this basic test? http://validator.w3.org/

Wordpress sites look okay but under the hood, very badly coded! Big difference in quality from someone who studied at uni for 3 years to a wordpress site...
Title: Re: Is My Web Site Outdated ? ?
Post by: carl stanton on January 20, 2012, 09:04:35 am
[quote ]
I am not saying this to try and get myself business because I am not interested in taking on any more at the moment. (just to clear that up for Carl  :-* )
[/quote]
thank you  ;D

any way here is a simple way to think of a website, if you have a car that looks great but the engine is duff,what use is it, you need to know or get some one to sort the engine
Title: Re: Is My Web Site Outdated ? ?
Post by: Window Washers on January 20, 2012, 09:13:04 am
>>>Marcus, do people really pay you £14.99 to hold there company over a barrel ? <<<

No m8, people come to me if they have a site that isnt getting them any work and I give them a site that DOES get them work. Its called *adverting*, no different than paying for advertising ANYWHERE ELSE. 7.99 a month of that is hosting. They can stick to thier current website that isnt bringing them in new work. I dont force anyone to have a website that works.......

Page one of Google is where the business is at! and as I worked for a SEO company before I KNOW ONE will keep your site at page one for less! in fact they will say "we are very good at getting our clients to page one" take your money upfront and not care. I get clients to page one FIRST and they can walk away whenever they want! Go ring a few legit places right now and let us know how much they charge upfront, £300 per year at the very least JUST for SEO, they dont throw in a free website

No thats not an open source wordpress site, its a closed source proper website. Tell me does your site pass this basic test?http://validator.w3.org/


wordpress sites look okay but under the hood, very badly coded!
on my marketing sites, validator does not like the widgits I use to be honest, yet I rank page one of google as that is where the traffic is  ;)

Why don't you offer webdesign that others can host are very least so they own it ?
I know what advertising is and what your offering could be good value the problem is they don't own it, you do this was my point.

You would be surprised what seo can be done for £14.99 a month by the way  ;)
I have heard all the sales crap from seo companies makes me laugh when they call me, I used to work in one myself by the way.

Ian

P.S Marcus I love your Logo  ;)
Title: Re: Is My Web Site Outdated ? ?
Post by: Tom White on January 20, 2012, 09:25:12 am
I use 1and1.co.uk they are good price wise and have decent features for the low cost

a low cost website will not make you any return, it is low cost for a reason

Hmmmm.  Mine is a DIY website, therefore free, and I pay £12 a year for hosting.  And after the paid for rankings, I'm the first top ranking in my local area on google search.  I've had two jobs from it this week.
Tosh, do you know what you are doing with a website ? and do you paid for rankings ?

No, I don't pay for rankings and I haven't a clue what I did.  I got some free website software, bought a domain name (£12 a year) and created a stupid website; I even had a picture of me with a blow up doll on it; I just wanted to see how to upload photos.

I then forgot about it and eight months later I got a call from a woman wanting a quote and she mentioned my website (still with the blow up doll picture on it), and I was top.  I updated the website and although it doesn't bring in vast amounts of work, I regularly get calls from it.

I have listed it with Google places; which is free and a bit of a palaver; but even prior to that I was top ranking of the non paid sites.

So, mine was a free DIY jobbie.  Roy Harding, a member of this site, paid for his site to be done - no doubt from a professional company - and it does look better than mine, but it's quite low down in the rankings (mine is first, his is fifth). 

I'm leaving my site as it is.  It looks basic and DIY; which I quite like; I don't want it to look too corporate since I suspect the 'flashyness' may put some folk off.  I know when I look for a tradesman, I like them to be knowledgeable, but a little bit dull and boring - that's the type of tradesman I trust - I don't want a 'flash harry' messing with my electrics and plumbing; just a safe pair of hands.  So that's the image I tried to convey in my website.

Anyway, I haven't a clue how the rankings work.
Title: Re: Is My Web Site Outdated ? ?
Post by: Tom White on January 20, 2012, 09:28:09 am
Window Washers, what's your ranking?  What area do you live and I'll have a google for a window cleaner in your area and see where you are.
Title: Re: Is My Web Site Outdated ? ?
Post by: marcus stacks on January 20, 2012, 09:28:32 am
>>>Why don't you offer webdesign that others can host are very least so they own it ?<<<

The server side code I wrote that interacts with the database behind the sites. (the functionality) the ability to add/edit delete content without screwing over page validation took me months to develop.

If the server side code gets out (and database design), my hard work will be ripped off over and over again (i have seen it before with just my html/css). It will also put all my other clients sites at risk as open source software in insecure...

I DO do custom website development

http://www.mirrorspan.co.uk/ but we are talking a couple of K for bespoke custom design with update functionality. If I was just creating static website designs it would be another story.  These are interactive and updatable "web applications". And as I said I don’t charge for them so no one has to have one, I can get peoples current sites to score at the top no problem. In fact I honestly prefer to work with what people already have but I give the OPTION of using one of my designs for free if they like! Its is a hell of a lot more work letting them use my designs when i have to customise it, add pages, host it (7.99 per month) but I like to give the option if they want it!

If I were you i would scrap anything that stops W3C validation. Check out online the "importance of W3C validation" What would you do if the browsers ever turn on support for badly coded sites in order to improve the quality of the web? Right now your site will be running in quirks mode "good enough".

thanks about the logo BTW!
Title: Re: Is My Web Site Outdated ? ?
Post by: marcus stacks on January 20, 2012, 09:44:22 am
Aahhhhh I just checked out your site and see you do something similar, now I see where this is coming from.

im not trying to step on your toes m8 and just thought you were an angry window cleaner or something! lol

No problem if this is already your feeding ground, i just had someone email and tell me to check out the thread. ill move along and leave you to it!

take it easy!
Title: Re: Is My Web Site Outdated ? ?
Post by: Window Washers on January 20, 2012, 09:52:56 am
Aahhhhh I see, just checked out your site and see you do something similar, now I see where this is coming from.

Look im not trying to step on your toes m8 and just thought you were an angry window cleaner or something! lol

No problem if this is already your feeding ground, i just had someone email and tell me to check out the thread. ill move along and leave you to it!

take it easy!

lol dude your not stepping on my toes but appreicate the comment, Im not interested in picking up work for webdesign on here at all.

hahah feeding ground love it, you have just made me laugh cheers.

Tosh your a wind up artist, I know how to see my rank on google you joker :P
Title: Re: Is My Web Site Outdated ? ?
Post by: Window Washers on January 20, 2012, 09:55:00 am
Window Washers, what's your ranking?  What area do you live and I'll have a google for a window cleaner in your area and see where you are.
im in St. Neots Tosh
Title: Re: Is My Web Site Outdated ? ?
Post by: L.Doubtfire - The Blade Runner on January 20, 2012, 11:13:26 am
Tosh,leaving your site as it is,I don`t blame ya at all.
I would too ( see my earlier post )


P.S.

Window Washers,I`ve tried texting ya back this am,my
Descriptive words on my mobile is locked and can`t get
It unlocked.All the office staff have had a go,to no avail.
 ::) ::)


Lewis  Doubtfire
Title: Re: Is My Web Site Outdated ? ?
Post by: Window Washers on January 20, 2012, 11:28:15 am
Tosh,leaving your site as it is,I don`t blame ya at all.
I would too ( see my earlier post )


P.S.

Window Washers,I`ve tried texting ya back this am,my
Descriptive words on my mobile is locked and can`t get
It unlocked.All the office staff have had a go,to no avail.
 ::) ::)


Lewis  Doubtfire

I will call you in a bit Lewis ok, just have to make a call first
Title: Re: Is My Web Site Outdated ? ?
Post by: Tom White on January 20, 2012, 01:36:54 pm
Window Washers, what's your ranking?  What area do you live and I'll have a google for a window cleaner in your area and see where you are.
im in St. Neots Tosh

If this is your website, it's ranked first:

http://www.windowwashers.co.uk/

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v737/tosh0987/2012-01-20_13-32_stneotswindowcleaners.jpg)

But I don't like the website; it looks just too busy for me; there's buttons and information everywhere, and I don't want my phone call answered by what looks like a call centre employee.

Maybe if your simplify your website, it may help?

But that's only my opinion; what do I know?  Seriously!  ;D
Title: Re: Is My Web Site Outdated ? ?
Post by: idealrob on January 20, 2012, 01:37:25 pm
Whats the link for Tosh website, lets all have a laugh

idealrob
Title: Re: Is My Web Site Outdated ? ?
Post by: Window Washers on January 20, 2012, 01:51:42 pm
Window Washers, what's your ranking?  What area do you live and I'll have a google for a window cleaner in your area and see where you are.
im in St. Neots Tosh

If this is your website, it's ranked first:

http://www.windowwashers.co.uk/
But I don't like the website; it looks just too busy for me; there's buttons and information everywhere, and I don't want my phone call answered by what looks like a call centre employee.

Maybe if your simplify your website, it may help?

But that's only my opinion; what do I know?  Seriously!  ;D
lol it is answered by me Tosh, I answer the phone,  your not my target market if i'm honest  ;)
Title: Re: Is My Web Site Outdated ? ?
Post by: Tom White on January 20, 2012, 02:17:53 pm
lol it is answered by me Tosh, I answer the phone,  your not my target market if i'm honest  ;)

I know I'm not your target audience, but if I were, I wouldn't be impressed with this amount of information to wade through:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v737/tosh0987/2012-01-20_14-09_WindowCleanersinStNeots.jpg)

There's about 20 buttons at the top of the page; the photo looks like it's a call centre employee about to answer any call I make and then there's an essay of stuff to read.  Web design, advertising, making money online, pressure washing... who exactly is your target audience?

I just think there's too much going on for it to hold anyone's attention.
Title: Re: Is My Web Site Outdated ? ?
Post by: Window Washers on January 20, 2012, 02:33:35 pm
I agree with you  ;) Although it works very well.

it is being redeveloped and streamlined and some things taken away as they affect my Page rank I did have a PR3 site which is not that easy to get most window cleaners sites are pagerank 0, the site grew out of control quite fast if i'm honest, it still works well.

the design side came on at a later date due to people getting conned and having sites that did not work, so I stepped in to fix that, then everyone else started then the back biting started and I moved on and away from it, became to much hassle.

I spoke with Lewis and hopefully what I said helped him out, I didnt try to sell him anything as I was not after doing that like I said.
Title: Re: Is My Web Site Outdated ? ?
Post by: L.Doubtfire - The Blade Runner on January 20, 2012, 02:58:17 pm
Like he said,Ian phoned me,told me where things wer`nt perhaps
Quite like they should be etc. etc.
The advice he gave was to go and get it sorted out locally,most of
Which would be free.When the conversation finished I was certainly
More `wiser`than I was when it started.
No high pressure selling,very helpful and informative.
Many thanks Ian,and if I need any further help or assistance I`ll drop
You an e,mail as offered.

P.S.   The first thing I`m gonna do tomorrow is get my mobile `sorted`.
I guess dropping into 100 liters of pure water ain`t gonna do it any good.
That’s months ago,nothing lasts forever. 8) ::) :-*


Lewis  Doubtfire