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UK Floor Cleaning Forum => Carpet Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: Phil @ Extreme Clean on January 05, 2012, 05:39:27 pm
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Done a Club today all full of Blacktop and it was a nightmare because i don't yet have restore brush for my Dry Fusion machine but going off today i don't know how good the Restore brush would be and at £300 it's not cheap.
Today i presprayed with restore then used restoration pad to agitate then blasted with my steamer then extracted with my rug doctor then cleaned dry fusion normally and still it didn't fully go but looked 100 times better how can i improve bearing in mind i only have dry fusion???
take a look at the blacktop on my facebook
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Extreme-Clean-Carpet-Cleaning-Services/319805778036102
thanks Phil
Extreme Clean
Carpet's to Dry For!!!
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Get a HWE machine and the best chems for the job.
Padding is not IMO sufficient for blacktop. It needs lots of hot water- the only time I use hot nowadays.
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don't have the funds to invest in HWE and waht chems would you recommend specifically for blacktop?
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You need hwe. There's a full set up over on clean talk £1700
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I looked at your facebook pictures but didn't see any photos of blacktop. which ones were they?
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don't have the funds to invest in HWE and waht chems would you recommend specifically for blacktop?
I can't believe this is on here, today of all days. This is exactly what we have been discussing in our meeting today. Untrained operators, incorrect machinary for the job, lack of knowledge... but yet are getting the work.
Has this industry gone mad. You do work like this and claim not to be able to afford correct machinary and "dont even know what correct chemicals to use" Did the manager of that club know this? Has the world gone mad? This job alone should be able to pick you up a second hand HWE or at least some training to gain some chemical understanding.
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See if someone local can take you out to show a decent hwe set up on a few jobs, odds are you will soon be rid of the dry fusion apart from commercial jobs
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thanks Dave what would you recomend as a 1st machine limited budget?
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Ideal full set up over on clean talk, no heater but you can pick one up later on if needed.
Your welcome to come out for a day with me but bit of a trek for you I'm in liverpool
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Try looking on ebay, you can usually pick up a good bargain on there, however it does pay to know a little bit about the portables as it is far cheaper to fix, repair and maintain them yourself.
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Cheers Dave but liverpool is abit far pal and cheers monty apoligies for stressing you just p****d me off.
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Phil,
You CAN (at least in theory) do most jobs with most systems.
Some, however are better than others for different jobs. I use Dry Fusion a lot but not on blacktop.
I was told by someone at Dry Fusion to use it on black top as well. The problem is that there is so much to remove that it takes a long time and HWE is more effective.
If you are going to use DF stuff then hot Bactoshield seems to break it down better. Then use pads soaked (then wrung out) in plain hot water. To be honest, it's pushing it with that set up. Incidentally, COLD Bactoshield works very well on blood stains.
As for the brush, I do not have a restore brush, I just use a polypropylene scrubbing brush on a rotary machine.
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Fleetwood to Blackpool 59 miles.
That really isn't far to get a days 'free experience' of HWE machines in use.
Come on get a grip do you want to be professional or not?
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fleetwood to blackpool 59miles lol its only 6 miles but who would want me to go out with them so close to eachother
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Yes , its more like 5.9 miles too .
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Phil,
You CAN (at least in theory) do most jobs with most systems.
Some, however are better than others for different jobs. I use Dry Fusion a lot but not on blacktop.
I was told by someone at Dry Fusion to use it on black top as well. The problem is that there is so much to remove that it takes a long time and HWE is more effective.
If you are going to use DF stuff then hot Bactoshield seems to break it down better. Then use pads soaked (then wrung out) in plain hot water. To be honest, it's pushing it with that set up. Incidentally, COLD Bactoshield works very well on blood stains.
As for the brush, I do not have a restore brush, I just use a polypropylene scrubbing brush on a rotary machine.
Well dry fusion tell me to use Retore on it and coupled with the Restore Brush so have you never used the restore brush? i'm gonna get them down when iv'e got a bad job to show me if it works then i'l buy it if it doe's.
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fleetwood to blackpool 59miles lol its only 6 miles but who would want me to go out with them so close to eachother
My mistake I meant Liverpool where DaveP is, who offered you an opportunity.
Or go on the TACCA website and you will find others within a sensible distance who would show you what to expect from HWE
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Phil,
I am not sure on this but because the restore brush is made of alloy, perhaps you can have the heater turned on? This would probably help quite a bit.
As for blacktop, it's different from "normal" heavy soiling (which Restore is great on) and I've found Bactoshield fairly effective. If in doubt ask Shaun for advice. He's the main man.
If there are two of us working, then one does the vacuuming then switches to the (separate) scrubbing machine. This will have either the PP brush or an XR scrub pad attached. The second person follows up using the DF machine throughout.
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Buy yourself a reasonably good hwe set up even if you have to borrow the money.
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You could always try wringing your pads out in a heater bucket or see if you can find a second hand texatherm heater.
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That is defo not what blacktop looks like thats just a dirty carpet
Tony
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To hit Black top You need High Ph cleaning solution,high heat,dwell time,high pressure, agitation, powerful extraction system. Anything less you will end up with limited cleaning results as the cleaning pie is full IMO.
Mark
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Try Enzall, long dwell, it will eat it no problem :D
Oh yeh, and a powerful TM would also help ;)
Black-top with a pad? ???
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SPM, CRB, good porty (Jag) and a Zeta at 90 degrees! And it'd have eaten black top for breakfast... ;)
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what you need is a good wire brush :) to break the surface ,plenty of pre spay and aggitation using ,a high ph chem, and high temp extraction. or as an alternatve try ,ermm c****** s**a
;) works wonders .
Geoff
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To elucidate a bit on Colin's post
with the equipment you have, change the chem to SPM and you will do better than with your DF chem.
get a cheap rotary with a shampoo brush, rotary can be as little as £80 and new shampoo brush can be £65 and you can attempt anything.
ducks down and put's on tin hat
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what you need for black top is hot water and a good bit of kit ;D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elH5htCumso
ps...first half of the vid is tame compared to the second half.
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Phil,
Your problem is you are trying to remove blacktop with a system that simply wasn't designed to that kind of work.
If you're going to get anywhere in this business you have to invest in the right equipment and get some proper training as clearly the problems you are experiencing getting yourself established are related to the lack of both.
Simon
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Phil
Why dont you try and find work your system is designed for and make your life easier then start saving for more kit but if you learn to market your system to its full potential then you might not need to invest in anything else 3 carpets cleaned and protected for £95 should bring in good work if you target the right custys.
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To elucidate a bit on Colin's post
with the equipment you have, change the chem to SPM and you will do better than with your DF chem.
get a cheap rotary with a shampoo brush, rotary can be as little as £80 and new shampoo brush can be £65 and you can attempt anything.
ducks down and put's on tin hat
Take yer hat off... You have a point.... ;)
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Hi Guys
There are two types of black top, bar and kitchen.
The former contains mostly sugar from all the drink spills, the latter will have a lot of protein bonds from the food spills.
In my view enzymes should be used sparingly as they can be asthma sensitisers and are unecessary on bar related blacktops.However on food based blacktops they will give you a much better result than anything else.
Hope that's clearer than a blacktop!!
Cheers
Doug
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SPM, CRB, good porty (Jag) and a Zeta at 90 degrees! And it'd have eaten black top for breakfast... ;)
I agree with Colin, however like you have said you are on a tight budget so here is what i would suggest:
If more and more of your jobs are similar to the one in question then you can justify the purchase of a HWE setup, my first machine was a second hand Prochem steempro, spend £100 on a days training at Prochem and invest in some chemicals while you are on the course.
Alternately you can seek training and advise from a local supplier.
Its all about having the correct tools for the job mate :)
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You could always invest in some of the NEW vanish that is being advertised.....
Jobs a goodun
;D ;D ;D
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If you got paid for this job then count yourself lucky and put the money toward a HWE portable.
The next time you get a job like this get an experienced guy on the job with you and split the money. You will learn far more than posting on here.
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Phil,
I am not sure on this but because the restore brush is made of alloy, perhaps you can have the heater turned on? This would probably help quite a bit.
As for blacktop, it's different from "normal" heavy soiling (which Restore is great on) and I've found Bactoshield fairly effective. If in doubt ask Shaun for advice. He's the main man.
If there are two of us working, then one does the vacuuming then switches to the (separate) scrubbing machine. This will have either the PP brush or an XR scrub pad attached. The second person follows up using the DF machine throughout.
You can't have the heat on with restore brush mate you just make up the restore with hot water then restore brush it without heat, i was told about using xr pad but i'm worried of causing any damage to parts that have no blacktop lol.
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Buy yourself a reasonably good hwe set up even if you have to borrow the money.
Already in debt to the mother in law for my startup lol.
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That is defo not what blacktop looks like thats just a dirty carpet
Tony
It definately was blacktop like rubber or is that not blacktop?
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If you got paid for this job then count yourself lucky and put the money toward a HWE portable.
The next time you get a job like this get an experienced guy on the job with you and split the money. You will learn far more than posting on here.
I did get paid because i knuckled down with my steamer and extraction after hitting with restore and then dry fusioning after it was just hard work thats why i asked for the advice i still done a decent enough job as i do with all my jobs when i'm limited just like the club i done today they was over the moon didn't think that would come up and then booked me for small room upstairs next week.
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Well hats off to you for getting it in the first place and knucking down. There's been a few jobs I go back to and they seem so easy now, but remember the first time I did them due to lack of knowledge, equipment and chems and they were bloody murder. ;D
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i'l get there wynne aslong as i do the best i can and listen and learn then i'l get there.
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If you cant see the carpet and can tap it, it's blacktop
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i was told about using xr pad but i'm worried of causing any damage to parts that have no blacktop lol.
Phil,
Realistically, the XR pad is for low profile tiles / carpets. A brush will be far better on the thick stuff.
One of the reasons I told you to check with Shaun (Bradbury) is that you will get the correct answer. I was actually told by someone at DF a few years ago that you could use the brush with heat on (which appears to be the wrong advice..
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(http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/1325878084_IMG_5146.jpg)(http://i1081.photobucket.com/albums/j347/revitaclean/IMG_5144.jpg)(http://i1081.photobucket.com/albums/j347/revitaclean/IMG_5153.jpg)
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thats kind of small blacktop it usually worse by the bar hatch, but as this job was at 8.00am in wallsend the bar already had people in front of it ( really! and it wasn't coffee they were drinking)
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it was definately Blacktop Dave, and great before and after that looks mint and gary should i buy this off ebay???
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/17-Carpet-Cleaning-Machine-Floor-Scrubber-Polisher-/280802202703?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item41611d944f
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how did you get that result Paul and was it hard work or easy with the correct chems and know how?
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That machine on ebay looks okay to get you by.
I personally wouldnt use 17" on domestic work but brillaint on commercials.
Fran
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Fran it's only to work on blacktop with the brush that comes with it will it be upto the job?
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the the new boy did it as his first job check out the red shoes!, heres the video he re-did the edges twice before anyone says anything, in at 7.00 am 80 sq meters of filth cleaned by 8.10 drinking started at 8.00am the pubs round here don't like to close for nothing less than a bomb blast.
dwell time - none
agitation- manager telling us to get out, before the 9am rush
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojZL2j6lznA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojZL2j6lznA)
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It'll do the job yeah
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It helps when you've got the ""baddest"" truckmount in the country ;)
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It helps when you've got the ""baddest"" truckmount in the country ;)
John
Have you stopped selling the Prowler - no mention of it on your website now ?
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Like the Hayling video Paul. 8)
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Thanks, all getting a overhaul soon. You can't beat HWE for pubs, they just like everyone else just want the job done and you out of there ASAP.
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Like the Hayling video Paul. 8)
Favourite film ( layer cake ) must drop it for the next round, as it gets ads placed on your vid
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XnUUuPUmq6w&feature=youtube_gdata_player (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XnUUuPUmq6w&feature=youtube_gdata_player)
Welcome to the layer cake......
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It helps when you've got the ""baddest"" truckmount in the country ;)
I'm waiting to be beaten. It will happen eventually I'm sure. If the Titan gets a v6 maybe ?
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What TM do you run Paul?
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Its a terminator by Performance Truckmounts of Chicago, vapour steam the carpet was dry with a turbo dryer in 20 mins