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UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: woody1 on January 03, 2012, 05:42:00 pm
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First time i have sacked some one, it didnt feel good. I told hime when he started we work bank holidays so on monday he did not turn up tried calling him phone was off, today he turns up 20 min late no sorry for being late just a i did not come in as did not feel like it, then i notice he was acting strange then it hit me he was ped as a fart so i sacked him on the spot called the police as he drove to mine and was going to drive back to his like it. police phoned me he was 4 times over the limit.
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you done the right thing m8
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First time i have sacked some one, it didnt feel good. I told hime when he started we work bank holidays so on monday he did not turn up tried calling him phone was off, today he turns up 20 min late no sorry for being late just a i did not come in as did not feel like it, then i notice he was acting strange then it hit me he was ped as a fart so i sacked him on the spot called the police as he drove to mine and was going to drive back to his like it. police phoned me he was 4 times over the limit.
OMG must of been drinking this morning to be over that much! Sounds like a fool to be drinking before work, you sound well rid.
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Sacking him...well ok...he did wrong so maybe your within your rights to do it,but couldn't you have stopped him from driving without it getting out of hand.I mean he now has no job and a big fine and disqualification,maybe you were right but surely you could have stopped him driving?
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Sacking him...well ok...he did wrong so maybe your within your rights to do it,but couldn't you have stopped him from driving without it getting out of hand.I mean he now has no job and a big fine and disqualification,maybe you were right but surely you could have stopped him driving?
But for how long though?
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Me & the Bones are not getting involved in this one no way !!!!!!!!!!
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Me & the Bones are not getting involved in this one no way !!!!!!!!!!
Right.
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Sacking him...well ok...he did wrong so maybe your within your rights to do it,but couldn't you have stopped him from driving without it getting out of hand.I mean he now has no job and a big fine and disqualification,maybe you were right but surely you could have stopped him driving?
But for how long though?
Who knows...he didn't try did he....result is a bloke out of work and in trouble.Yes of course he shouldn't be drinking whilst driving,surely we can all agree on that one,but calling the old bill without trying to stop him is out of order in my book....
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nice one hope he has kids
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Actually i lost my aunt from a drink driver so i think i did do the right thing as just for the record yes he does have a familly and i dont care, if he ran your kid over because i turned i blind eye i am sure you would feel great wouldnt you idiot
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Sacking him...well ok...he did wrong so maybe your within your rights to do it,but couldn't you have stopped him from driving without it getting out of hand.I mean he now has no job and a big fine and disqualification,maybe you were right but surely you could have stopped him driving?
But for how long though?
Who knows...he didn't try did he....result is a bloke out of work and in trouble.Yes of course he shouldn't be drinking whilst driving,surely we can all agree on that one,but calling the old bill without trying to stop him is out of order in my book....
He'd already driven to woody1's. I know what you're saying but you can't hang around all day stopping someone from driving, either. Take his keys- yes- but what if he's gets funny or gets a spare set?
People have to take some responsibility for their own actions.
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Actually i lost my aunt from a drink driver so i think i did do the right thing as just for the record yes he does have a familly and i dont care, if he ran your kid over because i turned i blind eye i am sure you would feel great wouldnt you idiot
may not have the same oppinion as you dosent make me an idiot or did i touch a nerve
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Actually i lost my aunt from a drink driver so i think i did do the right thing as just for the record yes he does have a familly and i dont care, if he ran your kid over because i turned i blind eye i am sure you would feel great wouldnt you idiot
Listen mate...you dont have to call me an idiot,imo you didn't need to turn a blind eye you could have easily tried to stop the bloke from driving again and then maybe warned him that if he did drive then you would call the old bill,but no you decided...knowing that he was already out of a job and with a family...that you would just watch him drive back to your place and call the plod on the way back...nice fella...maybe you were frightened of what might happen...i dont know you might be a small bloke or something....but a lot of people would have warned the bloke about his actions first before grassing him up.....
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nice one hope he has kids
What if he drives his kids around, four times over the limit?
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his kids can do what he wants ??? ???
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Actually i lost my aunt from a drink driver so i think i did do the right thing as just for the record yes he does have a familly and i dont care, if he ran your kid over because i turned i blind eye i am sure you would feel great wouldnt you idiot
Listen mate...you dont have to call me an idiot,imo you didn't need to turn a blind eye you could have easily tried to stop the bloke from driving again and then maybe warned him that if he did drive then you would call the old bill,but no you decided...knowing that he was already out of a job and with a family...that you would just watch him drive back to your place and call the plod on the way back...nice fella...maybe you were frightened of what might happen...i dont know you might be a small bloke or something....but a lot of people would have warned the bloke about his actions first before grassing him up.....
He should be imprisoned! 4 times over the limit? I wouldnt have thought twice about calling the Police. Idiot deserves all he gets. Woody1 you did exactly what i would have done mate.
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wich is it tool or idiot ??? ??? ??? ???
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i am sorry in hindsight i would do the same you were right to grass
that way he wont be poaching my patch
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Actually i lost my aunt from a drink driver so i think i did do the right thing as just for the record yes he does have a familly and i dont care, if he ran your kid over because i turned i blind eye i am sure you would feel great wouldnt you idiot
Listen mate...you dont have to call me an idiot,imo you didn't need to turn a blind eye you could have easily tried to stop the bloke from driving again and then maybe warned him that if he did drive then you would call the old bill,but no you decided...knowing that he was already out of a job and with a family...that you would just watch him drive back to your place and call the plod on the way back...nice fella...maybe you were frightened of what might happen...i dont know you might be a small bloke or something....but a lot of people would have warned the bloke about his actions first before grassing him up.....
i would of done the same thing ive got kids its idiots like that kill
on the road whether he tried to stop him or not is irrelevant
you call it grassing up..i wonder if you would have the same attitude
if a idiot like this guy had mowed down one of your family
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Well of course i would ferking feel agrieved at someone mowing down my family...but he never did he?
He could have possibly been stopped without getting the bloke into further trouble....yes ok if he known to be a consistant drink driver then maybe fair do's but he wouldn't have employed him if he had known that surely...all i am saying is he should have got hold of the bloke first and warned him before informing the old bill.....thats the way i would have done it....
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Op may I just ask - initially in hindsight when you took him on did he display drunken behaviour at any time, were there any warning signs that he may be like this, or was it one off behaviour?
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Sacking him...well ok...he did wrong so maybe your within your rights to do it,but couldn't you have stopped him from driving without it getting out of hand.I mean he now has no job and a big fine and disqualification,maybe you were right but surely you could have stopped him driving?
But for how long though?
Who knows...he didn't try did he....result is a bloke out of work and in trouble.Yes of course he shouldn't be drinking whilst driving,surely we can all agree on that one,but calling the old bill without trying to stop him is out of order in my book....
He'd already driven to woody1's. I know what you're saying but you can't hang around all day stopping someone from driving, either. Take his keys- yes- but what if he's gets funny or gets a spare set?
People have to take some responsibility for their own actions.
thats how i see it. it would be an easier world to live in if people took responsibility for their own actions. wouldnt have so many bleaters and spongers then.
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I new he liked a beer or two after work but not like that
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Op may I just ask - initially in hindsight when you took him on did he display drunken behaviour at any time, were there any warning signs that he may be like this, or was it one off behaviour?
i think the red nose and the half bottle sticking out of his trouser pocket, slurred speech and last nights kebab on his shirt front were a dead give away. ;D
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How long was he with you Woody?
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sounds like a real alcoholic to me.hopefully with no job,licence and money he ll seek help and sober up.the thing is i used to be just the same.been sober years now and still help drunks out who want to recover.hope he s hit rock bottom.
you did the right thing woody.
best wishes to all
dazmond(recovered alcoholic)
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his kids can do what he wants ??? ???
Interesting concept, does it stretch to abusing them too? His kids and all that.
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his kids can do what he wants ??? ???
Interesting concept, does it stretch to abusing them too? His kids and all that.
dont ask me? im a tool or an idiot maybe both ;D
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you are unforgiving mob, he has turned up once way over the limit. straight after new years celebrations, he has probably been on a wee bender that ended late last night, he then stupidly drove to work, and all of a sudden he is an alkie, kid abuser. he made a mistake once, I can understand him getting sacked and phoning the old bill, I would have did neither.
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you are unforgiving mob, he has turned up once way over the limit. straight after new years celebrations, he has probably been on a wee bender that ended late last night, he then stupidly drove to work, and all of a sudden he is an alkie, kid abuser. he made a mistake once, I can understand him getting sacked and phoning the old bill, I would have did neither.
agree with you stu,
i bet everyone reading this topic has drove to work the morning after having a few beers nite before i no i have,to me its different if he driving home from the pub that deserves you getting caught by the old bill,
and as for him being an alco, christ he went out on bank holiday give him a break
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Well of course i would ferking feel agrieved at someone mowing down my family...but he never did he?
He could have possibly been stopped without getting the bloke into further trouble....yes ok if he known to be a consistant drink driver then maybe fair do's but he wouldn't have employed him if he had known that surely...all i am saying is he should have got hold of the bloke first and warned him before informing the old bill.....thats the way i would have done it....
even if you intervened on this occasion doesnt mean it hasnt happened on many occasions before and from that many times after your intervention and just because
somebody hasnt been caught as a drink driver ddoesnt mean they havent
done it on many occasions and got away with it and only luck has stopped
them killing somebody.
he did the right thing...you carry on living of the world of the playground
worrying about grassing some one up.i imagine the more reasonable
minded the rest of us will stick to the real world :)
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Thats why I was asking Woody his normal behaviour
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you are unforgiving mob, he has turned up once way over the limit. straight after new years celebrations, he has probably been on a wee bender that ended late last night, he then stupidly drove to work, and all of a sudden he is an alkie, kid abuser. he made a mistake once, I can understand him getting sacked and phoning the old bill, I would have did neither.
agree with you stu,
i bet everyone reading this topic has drove to work the morning after having a few beers nite before i no i have,to me its different if he driving home from the pub that deserves you getting caught by the old bill,
and as for him being an alco, christ he went out on bank holiday give him a break
Nope never driven the morning after a heavy one. We arent all as irresponsible as you seem to be.
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you are unforgiving mob, he has turned up once way over the limit. straight after new years celebrations, he has probably been on a wee bender that ended late last night, he then stupidly drove to work, and all of a sudden he is an alkie, kid abuser. he made a mistake once, I can understand him getting sacked and phoning the old bill, I would have did neither.
agree with you stu,
i bet everyone reading this topic has drove to work the morning after having a few beers nite before i no i have,to me its different if he driving home from the pub that deserves you getting caught by the old bill,
and as for him being an alco, christ he went out on bank holiday give him a break
nope! i lost a family member years ago to some one who drove home
from a party drunk,apparently he hadnt done it before ::)
it only takes one stupid sensless decision to drive home drunk
on one occasion to have someone else pay the price for your
stupidity.
maybe if you have had to deal with the fall out from his decision
maybe you wouldnt be so sympathetic.
i wouldnt wish it on anybody! :(
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Its no surprise to hear the mob baying for blood,revealing a lack of empathy and compassion.
The chap has been dehumanised and hung drawn and quartered by the "do gooders",some of whom will claim to be religious.
Reminds me of the devout christians that are absolutely gutted to arrive in heaven and find everybody else there.
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to be 4 times over the limit IN THE MORNING he must of drank a hell of a lot of alcohol!!! :( :(
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Op did the right thing imo.
You cant have people stinking of ale at your customers houses-its unacceptable,end of.
DD 4 times over AM?? thats not somebody on a morning after,if it is hes had a couple of liveners before setting off.
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Woody can you reply how long he was with you?
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to be 4 times over the limit IN THE MORNING he must of drank a hell of a lot of alcohol!!! :( :(
dont know about that not had much last two years
untill last fri still the same though knew it wasnt good for me still had eight
you cant help yourself wont bother again till next xmas still blokes got to buy bread for the kids now we have to help him ;) ;) ;)
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he has probably been on a wee bender that ended late last night, he then stupidly drove to work
i bet everyone reading this topic has drove to work the morning after having a few beers nite before i no i have
Four times over the limit the morning after? You really are having a laugh.
If you're drinking two pints an hour, it takes about ten or twelve pints to get to four times the limit immediately after you stop drinking. To be that far over the limit after eight hours kip you'd be drinking about sixteen or eighteen pints.
We're not talking about someone mistakenly finding themselves just over the limit first thing in the morning here. Four times over the limit is criminally smashed to be behind the wheel.
As an aside, I do love how the word "grass" comes up on this forum so often, as though you feel you're all a bunch of noble underworld characters protecting your honourable criminal mates.
Vin
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Wow, so many posts being deleted on this thread that it's actually getting shorter...
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Wow, so many posts being deleted on this thread that it's actually getting shorter...
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Well done, shop the idiot.
If he had killed someone after you sent him home, how would you have felt knowing you could have prevented it.
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Its no surprise to hear the mob baying for blood,revealing a lack of empathy and compassion.
The chap has been dehumanised and hung drawn and quartered by the "do gooders",some of whom will claim to be religious.
Reminds me of the devout christians that are absolutely gutted to arrive in heaven and find everybody else there.
You don't have to be religious to have an opinion. And no, I'm not religious AT ALL.
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ach at the end of the day woody did what he thought best at the time, who am to judge, just isn't how I would have handled it. but it isn't any of my business how others act
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he has probably been on a wee bender that ended late last night, he then stupidly drove to work
i bet everyone reading this topic has drove to work the morning after having a few beers nite before i no i have
Four times over the limit the morning after? You really are having a laugh.
If you're drinking two pints an hour, it takes about ten or twelve pints to get to four times the limit immediately after you stop drinking. To be that far over the limit after eight hours kip you'd be drinking about sixteen or eighteen pints.
We're not talking about someone mistakenly finding themselves just over the limit first thing in the morning here. Four times over the limit is criminally smashed to be behind the wheel.
As an aside, I do love how the word "grass" comes up on this forum so often, as though you feel you're all a bunch of noble underworld characters protecting your honourable criminal mates.
Vin
The word grass comes into the equation when someone informs the police of someones wrong doing,you dont have to be involved or related to the criminal underworld to use the saying....
On this occassion the OP grassed on this bloke as he felt it was the right thing to do,others have differing opinions...that's the way the world turns round....i personally,along with others,would have tried (tried being the operative word) to dealt with the situation in another manner....if he didn't want others views he shouldn't have ferking posted about what he done in the first place.....
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I don't think you did the wrong thing. He knew the score, now he's history, move on
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There's no excuse for drink driving what so ever. Only takes one time to hit and kill someone, better to learn a lesson than lose an inocent life
You did the right thing.
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I think there is a few who don't realise how drink and how long it takes to leave the body, if the guy has been on a session for a few days, it is the holidays it would be easy for him to be maybe even 10 times the limit after going to bed and with the liver only being able to process 1 unit of alcohol per hour then easily be 4 times the limit in the morning without realising it, I didn't know all this years ago but I do now, that is why I would give the lad a chance if all was ok before, but I would make sure he was educated fully on how drink works, and no I wouldn't have let him drive home I would have driven him home and then had a long hard think on how to proceed, then went and seen him that evening or something along those lines, at this point when he was sober and I was calm I would then decide what to do. and he would be on his very last warning from that moment on.
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just heard this
wife left him
no job
carnt drive
no where to live
big fine
man found hanged and wife just found his lottery ticket and he had 6 numbers up, ;D wife said he was to drunk to check his numbers ;D
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;D ;D shut up bumper ;D
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I would have done the same, sacked him on the spot & rang the police. To be over 4 times the limit means you know your are ped and know that by driving you are breaking the law... there is no excuse for it. The guy should have phoned woody and told him he couldnt go into work or got someone to take him / taxi in.
I saw a police camera action a few months back. the coppers on there were saying it takes 1 hour per unit to clear your system that starts 2 hours after you have stopped drinking.
So 4 pints @ 2 units per pint = 8 units.
So if you went to bed at midnight you would not be free of alcohol until 10am and then you would still feel groggy
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It was the guys third week so on a trial, 1st black mark not turning up on the monday. 2nd balck mark late on the tuesday. 3rd black mark being ped. He had been partying and not been to bed. so i think he deserves every thing he gets
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we do have some saints on here dont we ;D,never done owt wrong in there entire life,come on lads own up, nobody is going grass u up for what you say on a forum
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Its no surprise to hear the mob baying for blood,revealing a lack of empathy and compassion.
The chap has been dehumanised and hung drawn and quartered by the "do gooders",some of whom will claim to be religious.
Reminds me of the devout christians that are absolutely gutted to arrive in heaven and find everybody else there.
I'm an atheist, if that makes me more qualified to have an opinion.
Vin
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The word grass comes into the equation when someone informs the police of someones wrong doing,you dont have to be involved or related to the criminal underworld to use the saying....
Ah yes, that's a definition alright, but it ignores the fact that "grass" is used to insult the action - it's not neutral. It would be like saying he "did his civic duty by reporting a criminal act that might well result in death" rather than "grassed". That would be just as biased.
Vin
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grass bubble call it what you like, I have never suggested either, I just don't see the point of totally ruining the guys life after he has already been sacked, I would have driven him home whatever my decision was on sack or not.
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wouldnt grass whole town knows
all the lads that work for you know
could go all pete tong on you
like i tried to point out blokes got kids and bread is the same price for him as it is for you ;)
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Ok, maybe he could have driven him home. But is this the first time? if it wasnt (and im guessing it wasnt), then it certainly wouldnt have been his last.
Is woody this blokes keeper? what if he had driven him home, given him a right ticking off, then heard later on that he had since been in an accident and killed or injured someone. WOuldnt he have thought he should have done more?
And he would have been right. For the guy to be that far over he must have known about it. And if he was ok with it then he would probably have done it regularly.
Difficult to say without being in the situation, but i may well have done the same thing myself. After all, did he know him from adam? his history or how likely he was to do it again? better to err on the side of caution.....let him ruin his own life, not another families!
My tuppeny worth anyhow!
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i believe what woody done was right,how anyone can think that drink driving is ok is beyond me.
they probaly think it ok cause they done it there self and trying to justify it.just wait until it effects you,and dont so say you know,cause you dont know until it does.
all he had to do was phone up to say he was unfit for work,hes big enough ugly enough to know what he was doing.so deserve everything that he got coming to him.
my view ;)
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Used to be a firefighter ,seen the results of DD far far too many times and the fact that this guy will now be off the road is without question the correct outcome ,how he got there may have been handled in a different way but as OP was already let down by the guy then he wasnt due any favours at all. Possibly driving him home or making sure he knew the cops would be called if he drove but whatever action was taken at the time the fact that this guy was willing to turn up clearly pi...ed - well if he is that stupid he would almost certainly have done same thing again in future .
You did the right thing .
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wouldnt grass whole town knows
all the lads that work for you know
could go all pete tong on you
like i tried to point out blokes got kids and bread is the same price for him as it is for you ;)
You're assuming the "whole town" and "the lads" have the same moral view as you, namely that there's something wrong in telling the Police there's a potential killer on the road. Perhaps they are all looking at him and saying "well done".
The bloke appears not to have thought about his kids (or anyone else's) before driving drunk. Why should Woody do that for him?
Vin
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Hang on, this thread started and really took off when people had a go at woody1 for sacking him and calling the police. Not people baying for this lads's blood. Woody1 was getting the stick, not the lad.
If the lad is to be banned from driving, it's down to being over the limit, not woody1 ringing the police.
For the record, I'd have probably sent him home and driven him myself. Sacking? I couldn't say, without knowing more. But that's me, probably copping out and not doing the right thing.
What if he'd come back for his vehicle later, driven it and killed someone? I wouldn't like that on my conscience.
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you did the right thing in my book
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The bloke appears not to have thought about his kids (or anyone else's) before driving drunk. Why should Woody do that for him?
Empathy?
http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=128112.msg1110226#msg1110226
;D ;D
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When i worked for me dad in my late teens. One of his minibus drivers turned up rolling around sozzled ready to pick up a load of temps to take them home. Before they got on the bus i had to ask him something so soon found out he was drunk. What did i do? got him out and got my dad to pick him up, he took him home and sacked him. Yes he could of caused an accident but what we found out that day was he buried his mother...good excuse? probably not but we are all capable of stupid things sometimes.
What would i of done if i was the OP of this thread. Told him he's an idiot, sacked him, take his keys, phone him a cab and say come collect the keys when he's sober. I think it was quite harsh to phone the old bill
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The bloke appears not to have thought about his kids (or anyone else's) before driving drunk. Why should Woody do that for him?
Empathy?
http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=128112.msg1110226#msg1110226
;D ;D
oh dear ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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loaded gun in town = possible killer
drunk driver in town = possible killer with enhanced prospects
simples really , staggers me how people think that its grassing to deter a potential killer.
if raul moats/whoever m8 had phoned police he would of been a hero :P
really ....really people .....put boot on foot and consider effects he may have had on your family if he had mowed them down...
idiot first, friend lastly, potential heartbreaker indeed.
f**k him and his ped up antics
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First time i have sacked some one, it didnt feel good. I told hime when he started we work bank holidays so on monday he did not turn up tried calling him phone was off, today he turns up 20 min late no sorry for being late just a i did not come in as did not feel like it, then i notice he was acting strange then it hit me he was ped as a fart so i sacked him on the spot called the police as he drove to mine and was going to drive back to his like it. police phoned me he was 4 times over the limit.
definitely right to sack him. and nothing wrong with calling the police either. he's breaking the law and endangering people's lives and property.
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Woody 1 you don't have to justify your actions. Its YOUR BUSINESS. In hind site we can all be smart. It was your call you did what your thought.To many smart asses on this forum that thing they have it taped till its there call.I am sure it was not a easy one to make.
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I couldn't care less that he sacked him, or called the police, his choice, but it is a bit two faced when he says it is wrong, but clearly admitted to doing drug driving on an earlier thread don't you think, you may have to read the whole post to find it though,
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lmao have any of you tried to take the keys of some one who's in that state or 'even more funny' tried to talk him out of driving. maybe he's got a problem & getting done could be his 'moment of clarity'
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Well done, shop the idiot.
If he had killed someone after you sent him home, how would you have felt knowing you could have prevented it.
Exactly my thoughts. Only an irresponsible person would have let him drive home and risk destroyng a family by killing a Dad/Mum/Son/Daughter...
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lmao have any of you tried to take the keys of some one who's in that state or 'even more funny' tried to talk him out of driving. maybe he's got a problem & getting done could be his 'moment of clarity'
yes I have often, and I agree to sack and expect keys is laughable, but to say nothing much take the keys and drive him home is much easier, then sort it out when he is sober and you are calm is far better, feck I would have given him a beer to stop him driving if it that much of a problem, then got him in my van and got him home without being arrested
and maybe he doesn't have a problem ???
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my verdict
SACK
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my verdict
SACK
that is easy, but would you shop him to the police as well?
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I wouldn't of let him drive
If he managed to escape me, knock me to the ground and throw me from his bonnet.
Then yes, would phone the police,
but not until after the wrestling match and black eyes.
I couldnt live with myself if I would of allowed him to drive off sozzled
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I wouldn't of let him drive
If he managed to escape me, knock me to the ground and throw me from his bonnet.
Then yes, would phone the police,
but not until after the wrestling match and black eyes.
I couldnt live with myself if I would of allowed him to drive off sozzled
that is fair
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yes I have often, and I agree to sack and expect keys is laughable, but to say nothing much take the keys and drive him home is much easier, then sort it out when he is sober and you are calm is far better, feck I would have given him a beer to stop him driving if it that much of a problem, then got him in my van and got him home without being arrested
and maybe he doesn't have a problem
fair do's your right. i was going off my own experiences then, but i've done a lot of that & thankfully never hurt any one but myself, but it took a long while of me getting away with stuff before i saw what i was doing was wrong & stopped
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How long could we stop him driving for, though? If he's determined to drive, he would.
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How long could we stop him driving for, though? If he's determined to drive, he would.
ah come on griff, take him home tell him to have a sleep and discuss it later, he thinks cool, gets some needed head down time, you go round later and sack him when he is sober, or whatever you decide last warning whatever, he made the effort to get to work wrongly so he values his job, he would probably accept that thinking he has a choice, even if you do phone the police and he gets done, there is nothing in this world will stop him driving if he really wanted to
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TO BE FAIR TO WOODY (WHO I AGREE WITH) ON THE CANNABIS THREAD HE SAID HE USED TO GET STONED THEN WORK.
IT DOES NOT MAKE HIM A HYPOCRITE. IF HE WAS DRINK OR DRUNK DRIVING IT WOULD.
I DONT UNDERSTAND WHY HE IS GETTING SO MUCH FLACK.
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;D I am not giving him stick, he can do what he wants, but why put a post up if you don''t want to know how others would deal with it, I just found the fact he did drugs and has no sympathy for a drinker a bit ironic, as it stands a three week trial employee I would probably sack as well
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How long could we stop him driving for, though? If he's determined to drive, he would.
ah come on griff, take him home tell him to have a sleep and discuss it later, he thinks cool, gets some needed head down time, you go round later and sack him when he is sober, or whatever you decide last warning whatever, he made the effort to get to work wrongly so he values his job, he would probably accept that thinking he has a choice, even if you do phone the police and he gets done, there is nothing in this world will stop him driving if he really wanted to
I know, Stu. I'd have probably give him a lift home and then dealt with later.
But I'm just going through possible scenarios. He could have just got in his car/van before you realised. He could have come back and driven it after you'd taken him home, still drunk etc etc. Sometimes you have to let the police deal with things.
We don't know exactly how it happened, so it's hard to crtiticise someone for calling the police :-\.
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How long could we stop him driving for, though? If he's determined to drive, he would.
ah come on griff, take him home tell him to have a sleep and discuss it later, he thinks cool, gets some needed head down time, you go round later and sack him when he is sober, or whatever you decide last warning whatever, he made the effort to get to work wrongly so he values his job, he would probably accept that thinking he has a choice, even if you do phone the police and he gets done, there is nothing in this world will stop him driving if he really wanted to
I know, Stu. I'd have probably give him a lift home and then dealt with later.
But I'm just going through possible scenarios. He could have just got in his car/van before you realised. He could have come back and driven it after you'd taken him home, still drunk etc etc. Sometimes you have to let the police deal with things.
We don't know exactly how it happened, so it's hard to crtiticise someone for calling the police :-\.
yes you are right, everyone has to make decisions there and then so I will back down, nothing is right or wrong just the way it is ;)
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feck me! five pages of going round in circles ;D
far as im concerned he potentially saved some ones life
and it would give me great pleasure personally if the guy
was banned from driving for life :)
it may sound harsh but like i posted before my family
has been on the recieving end of morons like this
lets all make crummy excuses for a adult who nows the
score but obviously couldnt careless about anybody else
when he got behind the wheel of the vehicle.
really pes me off! >:(
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I think there is a few who don't realise how drink and how long it takes to leave the body, if the guy has been on a session for a few days, it is the holidays it would be easy for him to be maybe even 10 times the limit after going to bed and with the liver only being able to process 1 unit of alcohol per hour then easily be 4 times the limit in the morning without realising it, I didn't know all this years ago but I do now, that is why I would give the lad a chance if all was ok before, but I would make sure he was educated fully on how drink works, and no I wouldn't have let him drive home I would have driven him home and then had a long hard think on how to proceed, then went and seen him that evening or something along those lines, at this point when he was sober and I was calm I would then decide what to do. and he would be on his very last warning from that moment on.
Another issue is that if he has had a lengthy problem and has a damaged liver, or has some other liver disease of which he's not yet aware (such as hep-c), his liver would be processing the alcohol at a much slower rate.
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Let him who his without sin cast the first stone.
Ok do what you gotta but why make it a topic on a forum ?
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id not av rang the police , mainly as iv found that once they know of you they have u in mind for stopping you . i got breathalyzed several times and hounded too ,after once being done for not wearing a seatbelt,once youre on the books its hard to get off .
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right im gonna be honest now.i was drink driving for 15 years.i passed my test at 17 and was seeing a girl who lived a fair way away from me.i used to swig a bottle of vodka while driving on the motorway.i was nervous about driving on the motorway and meeting girl.i didnt give a toss.never had an accident.i used to be out of my mind on various different drugs as well.mainly LSD,cocaine,ecstasy,weed,speed and i use to sniff lighter fuel(but not while driving!).
landlords used to take car keys off me.been banned for drink/driving etc.loads of driving convictions.i used to get chased off the police.lots of trouble! ;D ;D ;D.
im not proud of it. i was very lucky to not have killed someone.i was one sick puppy for years.im telling you now.if your 4 times over the limit in the morning you ve got a problem!!!
i wouldnt hesitate to phone the police and sack him.might be the best thing that happens to him.i bet he s done it loads of times.
regards
dazmond
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right im gonna be honest now.i was drink driving for 15 years.i passed my test at 17 and was seeing a girl who lived a fair way away from me.i used to swig a bottle of vodka while driving on the motorway.i was nervous about driving on the motorway and meeting girl.i didnt give a toss.never had an accident.i used to be out of my mind on various different drugs as well.mainly LSD,cocaine,ecstasy,weed,speed and i use to sniff lighter fuel(but not while driving!).
landlords used to take car keys off me.been banned for drink/driving etc.loads of driving convictions.i used to get chased off the police.lots of trouble! ;D ;D ;D.
im not proud of it. i was very lucky to not have killed someone.i was one sick puppy for years.im telling you now.if your 4 times over the limit in the morning you ve got a problem!!!
i wouldnt hesitate to phone the police and sack him.might be the best thing that happens to him.i bet he s done it loads of times.
regards
dazmond
It is difficult to imagine 4x limit in the morning as not being a problem isn't it? I suppose it is technically possible that someone could just be a "normal" drinker, go on a massive bender, then still be 4x limit in the morning due to metabolic absorption. Possible - but pretty unlikely. Forcing him to face the consequences of his actions may do him a big favour in the longer term. It could even be that he is a binge drinker. That is alcoholism too - though it doesn't meet most people's stereotype. In many ways it's worse than a "top-up" drunk as a binge drinker will often wreak more havoc than a top-up drinker.
I never was a drink/drug driver myself. It seemed to me that cars were a waste of money when I could just get smashed instead. Indeed, apart from an old crate that fell to bits within a month, I never had a car until my early 30s - after I got into recovery. When I had that old crate, I still had some semblance of control so abstained when driving.
I would have reservations about involving the police but that's more about my own ancient history than the situation mentioned in this thread.
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I`m not convinced that the "call the police,hang him,ban him forever" brigade would be as keen for summary justice if instead of an on trial low life employed window cleaner being in the car it was their wife/favourite niece.
In fact i am pretty damn sure.
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theres peeps who agree and peeps who dont !!!!!mmmmmm theres only one way to find out !!!! yes you got it FIGHT !!!!!!!!!!! :P
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Jeeeeesus,
ive heard it all now , Daz and others, I am poop scared of you now,
I would have WARNED him , that if he got BACK in his car, I would then call the police.
But, that would have been, AFTER I HAD sacked him.
I have said before some of the vans, cars I hear about on this forum, makes me think DEEAATH TRAAAAP!
Thats without thinking their ped to.
Window cleaners eh, who would of thought it.
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hes took the mick. turned up to work sozzled with a bad attitude. i wouldnt be in a hurry to do him a favour. how many problems would you have incured if he got his own way and worked with you that day. loss of customers. possible injury claim to deal with. people like that need STOPPING AND GETTING TO THE BOTTOM OF THE PROBLEM. if you took the keys sounds like he would of only done it next week. good on you for having the balls to deal with the problem.
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nobody said window cleaners were angels or whiter than white!!! ;D ;D ;D ;D
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yes i would of sacked him too. lost my dad to a drink driver. wish i had got my hands on the bas... all very well saying he didnt run anybody over...if he drove he might of
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If my bother was a girl he'd be my sister.
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i once drove from leeds to calais after dropping 3 strawberries and a pink panther . without leaving the sofa ;D ;D
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right im gonna be honest now.i was drink driving for 15 years.i passed my test at 17 and was seeing a girl who lived a fair way away from me.i used to swig a bottle of vodka while driving on the motorway.i was nervous about driving on the motorway and meeting girl.i didnt give a toss.never had an accident.i used to be out of my mind on various different drugs as well.mainly LSD,cocaine,ecstasy,weed,speed and i use to sniff lighter fuel(but not while driving!).
landlords used to take car keys off me.been banned for drink/driving etc.loads of driving convictions.i used to get chased off the police.lots of trouble! ;D ;D ;D.
im not proud of it. i was very lucky to not have killed someone.i was one sick puppy for years.im telling you now.if your 4 times over the limit in the morning you ve got a problem!!!
i wouldnt hesitate to phone the police and sack him.might be the best thing that happens to him.i bet he s done it loads of times.
regards
dazmond
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i once drove from leeds to calais after dropping 3 strawberries and a pink panther . without leaving the sofa ;D ;D
LOL ;D
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;D
This is a trip down memory (or lack of) lane.
MBS were ones I had a lot of, but the best worst strongest I had were Buddhas. You didn't need more than one of those :o.
I hope Tosh doesn't see the B-word and hijacks this thread.
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I`m not convinced that the "call the police,hang him,ban him forever" brigade would be as keen for summary justice if instead of an on trial low life employed window cleaner being in the car it was their wife/favourite niece.
In fact i am pretty damn sure.
I'm pretty sure that you wouldn't be so non-judgemental and lenient if he had parked his car on your wife/favourite neices head cause he was drunk & driving.
If you saw a guy running down the road holding a machete you'd call the police, this guy was tumbling down the road in about a ton of steel, would you think it was still ok if he parked it on a bus queue of kids?
Anyone who drives after drinking is a scumbag/selfish turd.
That goes for all the idiots who drive while talking on their phones.
You see them every day weaving all over the road, they don't even know they're doing it.
Rant over.
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I'm pretty sure that you wouldn't be so non-judgemental and lenient if he had parked his car on your wife/favourite neices head cause he was drunk & driving.
If you saw a guy running down the road holding a machete you'd call the police, this guy was tumbling down the road in about a ton of steel, would you think it was still ok if he parked it on a bus queue of kids?
Anyone who drives after drinking is a scumbag/selfish turd.
That goes for all the idiots who drive while talking on their phones.
You see them every day weaving all over the road, they don't even know they're doing it.
Rant over.
You may be right, but up until now he never done anything like that? Statistically you are more likeley to be killed by a sober driver, thats a fact. ;D
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Anyone who drives after drinking is a scumbag/selfish turd.
That goes for all the idiots who drive while talking on their phones.
You see them every day weaving all over the road, they don't even know they're doing it.
Rant over.
Agreed. Mikecam your a moron and a bit thick judging by your crap English.
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Anyone who drives after drinking is a scumbag/selfish turd.
That goes for all the idiots who drive while talking on their phones.
You see them every day weaving all over the road, they don't even know they're doing it.
Rant over.
Agreed. Mikecam your a moron and a bit thick judging by your crap English.
Yeah but i can't half drink !!! And i'm not a moron, i don't practice any religion at all. Oh, and my statistics are correct. Last time i looked it was legal to drive with 35mil alcohcol/blood level. Thats exactly how dangerous it is to drink and drive, its infact fully legal! And i think you're kidding me, typing English is not a measure of someones intelligence, i think you're just saying that to insult me !!
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Anyone who drives after drinking is a scumbag/selfish turd.
That goes for all the idiots who drive while talking on their phones.
You see them every day weaving all over the road, they don't even know they're doing it.
Rant over.
Agreed. Mikecam **your** a moron and a bit thick judging by your crap English.
**you're
;D ;D
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This is a trip down memory (or lack of) lane.
MBS were ones I had a lot of, but the best worst strongest I had were Buddhas. You didn't need more than one of those :o.
I hope Tosh doesn't see the B-word and hijacks this thread.
i seem to remember the strongest i had were window panes . thatwas the early eighties . but nothing compared to getting a good batch of mushrooms . especially when you had picked em your self ; ;D ;D
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Anyone who drives after drinking is a scumbag/selfish turd.
That goes for all the idiots who drive while talking on their phones.
You see them every day weaving all over the road, they don't even know they're doing it.
Rant over.
Agreed. Mikecam your a moron and a bit thick judging by your crap English.
Yeah but i can't half drink !!! And i'm not a moron, i don't practice any religion at all. Oh, and my statistics are correct. Last time i looked it was legal to drive with 35mil alcohcol/blood level. Thats exactly how dangerous it is to drink and drive, its infact fully legal! And i think you're kidding me, typing English is not a measure of someones intelligence, i think you're just saying that to insult me !!
I Take back the moron bit. Didn't suss what you were saying. Seems statistically your right! Worrying.
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I'm pretty sure that you wouldn't be so non-judgemental and lenient if he had parked his car on your wife/favourite neices head cause he was drunk & driving.
If you saw a guy running down the road holding a machete you'd call the police, this guy was tumbling down the road in about a ton of steel, would you think it was still ok if he parked it on a bus queue of kids?
Anyone who drives after drinking is a scumbag/selfish turd.
That goes for all the idiots who drive while talking on their phones.
You see them every day weaving all over the road, they don't even know they're doing it.
Rant over.
You may be right, but up until now he never done anything like that? Statistically you are more likeley to be killed by a sober driver, thats a fact. ;D
Of course you are because thankfully there are many many times more sober drivers on the road than drunk drivers at any one time.
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i knew a window cleaner that used to pick four or five lads up every morning and they never knocked , the reason he had a couple of crates in the van . it got them to work and kept em going . in fact one of em kept a small bottle of vodka in his pockets . sad muppets i know but i dont think any of em drove .end of the week he used to knock the beer money off there wage ;D
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i knew a window cleaner that used to pick four or five lads up every morning and they never knocked , the reason he had a couple of crates in the van . it got them to work and kept em going . in fact one of em kept a small bottle of vodka in his pockets . sad muppets i know but i dont think any of em drove .end of the week he used to knock the beer money off there wage ;D
this sounds like BUMPER ;D
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I wonder how many peoples minds have been changed, by reading another persons opinon on a forum?