Clean It Up
UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: tom cronin on December 25, 2011, 03:12:07 pm
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This is my target for 2012 :-\
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yes, very hard work, but possible,
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Depending on alot of things yes ...
1) Team of canvassers who know how to price right
2) Team of leafleters to prep the area
3) Team cleaning and know what they are doing
4) The areas - probably where i am would be a 15-20 mile radius
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No not in 12 months unless you had a lot of money to invest in door knocking
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No not in 12 months unless you had a lot of money to invest in door knocking
i think it could, you knock every night and all weekends, and have 2 or you and 1 person cleaning, from 8 am, you would be knackered, but it could be done
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judging by your choice of expression icon I would say no. :P
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This is my target for 2012 :-\
So, you're looking at a turnover of £120K per annum (at 10K per month).
And you want to get this in one year.
Approximately 20 working days per month x 12 = 240 working days
120K divided by 240 days = £500 per day.
So, you'd have to be capable of canvassing £500 per day, on average of work to hit your targets.
Now, for me to be able to say this is possible or not, I'd have to know what resources, both in terms of financial and manpower are at your disposal. But I do not know how well motivated you are in the long term.
For me, it would be impossible, but I don't know you.
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When turnover gets higher than can be done on your own, the law of dimishing returns applies. As you earn more, so the profit per £ decreases.
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I will canvass all of it on my own, my mate will clean with a lad, then contract the work out when they can't keep up I'm thinking canvass £1000 worth a month until October, then I have two months spare, to replace the leave it this month/I'll pay double next time/the canvasser said this and that brigade. I reckon it's possible :P
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it is possible, if i could find 2 lads to work the glass and i could trust them, then i would spend all my time knocking, a grand a month is easy, it is only 50 a day,
if a canvessor cant get 50 a day then he isnt a canvessor
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it is possible, if i could find 2 lads to work the glass and i could trust them, then i would spend all my time knocking, a grand a month is easy, it is only 50 a day,
if a canvessor cant get 50 a day then he isnt a canvessor
Exactly, I reckon on doing 3-4days canvassing a month for this. I can trust my mate 120%, but this will become an issue when finding a new gang
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3-4 days a month, u want to be out that a week, people will always want a good canvessor
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3-4 days a month, u want to be out that a week, people will always want a good canvessor
I've been canvassing for others for the past few months for others , but just think to myself I should build my own round up, not that I want to clean windows, I get bored after 3 houses lol, I much prefer canvassing
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what rate do you sell the work on at,
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Give yourself April - August
5 (months) / £10,000 = £2,000 pm
£2,000 / 20 days (gives leaway) = £100 per day to find in new work.
Start off with just your mate, then as the work increases add another man.
Remember though that at that target you will hit & exceed the VAT rate, so bear this in mind. There are two VAT catergorys you could choose from.
If i had the resources to do this i would. For me i would need a canvasser as i hate knocking.
Sound like if you and your mate work hard at this you could be onto a winner
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what rate do you sell the work on at,
This is exactly what I'm trying to get away from....I've sold a few bits of work over the years, and canvassed abit for others, and plan to canvass for othersnin the future full time, but first want to set a 10k a month round up ;D
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whos round is it, r u going to employ and get them to clean, but it is ur business
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whos round is it, r u going to employ and get them to clean, but it is ur business
Me and my best mates round, we have agreed a percentage if we decide to sell it, and agreed a small monthly percentage that I will take. He does all the cleaning, and we shall employ a lad to work with him.
When it comes to it I want too rent out the rest of the work to someone who's got there own work already, or someone looking to start up on there own
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start 1st of and knock ever day till end of march, just give him the work to do to the following day, but end of march should be full
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Give yourself April - August
5 (months) / £10,000 = £2,000 pm
£2,000 / 20 days (gives leaway) = £100 per day to find in new work.
Start off with just your mate, then as the work increases add another man.
Remember though that at that target you will hit & exceed the VAT rate, so bear this in mind. There are two VAT catergorys you could choose from.
I would love to dedicate full-time too it for a few months, but I still need an income, and have commitents too other cleaners :-\
If i had the resources to do this i would. For me i would need a canvasser as i hate knocking.
Sound like if you and your mate work hard at this you could be onto a winner
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start 1st of and knock ever day till end of march, just give him the work to do to the following day, but end of march should be full
We started a few week ago, he couldn't keep up with the first cleans, and the area we started is extra dirty, so I reckon I be limited but this as to how much I can knock at a time
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start 1st of and knock ever day till end of march, just give him the work to do to the following day, but end of march should be full
We started a few week ago, he couldn't keep up with the first cleans, and the area we started is extra dirty, so I reckon I be limited but this as to how much I can knock at a time
Thinking about it, I reckon this might be an issue, might have to get on the glass myself for first cleans
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once the first cleans are done then they are easy,
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You can do anything you want in life, but is it realistic?
If you have sufficient tools then anyone can do what you are asking. Perhaps the first question you should be asking is do you have the tools: the manpower, similarly motivated people, financial resources, ambition, the desire to succeed, a sufficient marketplace, mental willpower, physical capability. If the answer to these things is yes then go ahead, if you are missing any of these things then quite possibly not.
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You can do anything you want in life, but is it realistic?
If you have sufficient tools then anyone can do what you are asking. Perhaps the first question you should be asking is do you have the tools: the manpower, similarly motivated people, financial resources, ambition, the desire to succeed, a sufficient marketplace, mental willpower, physical capability. If the answer to these things is yes then go ahead, if you are missing any of these things then quite possibly not.
Never said it would be easy, infact I reckon the opposite, but I do think it could be done....over the next 365 days I shall keep this post updated...let's see what happens....
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nope cant see it possible.
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what if he has a concet system, then he should make £84000 a year
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what if he has a concet system, then he should make £84000 a year
Concet system? What is this?
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whatever the concert system is, you still have to remember that £20,000 a year to the vat man, so down to a £100,000 allready, i would stick under the limit as a one man band , and earn £5000 a month imo
idealrob
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he isnt though, he is a canvessor and will be renting the work out
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Anything is possible but you have to really want to get it. All those new customers will mean a lot of messers and time wasters to filter out. 50%? maybe more so you are going to have to canvass up a lot more than you will actually keep.
Same with staff, you are going to have a lot of issues to deal with there, Canvassing is going to be the easy bit.
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unless your heart is in it,as a cleaner for starters at least,id doubt you would make it . thered be too many times in that first year where you yourself would have to prove your mettal on the mop and squeegee when the workload was extra high or somebody was ill
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To could build it no problem but to retain it is another question
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i THINK YOU ARE UNDER ESTIMATING YOUR GOALS.HAVE YOU ANY EXPERIENCES IN THIS INDUSTRY.
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cuckoo cuckoo cuckoo cuckoo cuckoo cuckoo
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dont listen to all these, u aim for the moon u might reach the sky
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Its possible. and dont let any1 eLse tell you otherwise look forward to seeing if u suceed. keep us all posted. To make you feel better i did it with limited resources. and i startd as a electric gas salesman
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If you have enough money to throw at it with canvassers then it could be done. I think you might need to prepared to run at a loss for a while too as it would be a while before recouping outlays. If you have deep enough pockets to carry the initial stuff then go for it.
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10 k a month think thats a dream lol
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just remember that if you want to end up with £10,000 a year you will need to canvass double that as you will lose half of it over the year regards alan
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merry xmas and a happy busy new year to you all,answer to question ,
ask stockclean, "oh he"s gone"!
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Nothing to £10K/month in 12 months.............never, especially not in the current economic climate, window cleaners are popping up all over the place since the invention of WFP!
But try your best to prove me wrong ;)
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/dragonsden/entrepreneurs/tonyearnshaw.shtml
this guy who went on dragons den, got around up to 6k in 6 months
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We did ;D
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Of course it is BUT, not on your own. The question is how, it took me 2yrs leaflets only.
ON MY OWN! HARD WORK but well worth it, good luck
Alan
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oops failed to mention there , half your figure
Alan
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On domestic Im not sure, but I know one of my clients on the commercial side has just acquired two jobs within a week - through around 8 hours of direct calling (no not trying to plug the business) just have a very structured way of doing things. Couldnt possibly speak about domestic stuff - never entered into that field........... hope all goes well for you TC.
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I went from 2k a month to 12.8k a month in 2 years in. that wasnt constant canvassing but i did use a few different teams to get it. I then stopped canvassing fo a while and it dropped down to 10k a month until i built it up again.
in order for you to build that quick in domestics you will need to be prepared to lose 50% of all customers between 1-12 months so you will in effect need to canvass around 15k a month to end up with the sort of figure your talking.
You will need good reliable lads
You will need to be prepared to put up with a shed load of idiot customers until your left with the decent ones.
You will need to chase down the debts constantly before the debt gets out of hand.
You will need to be prepared for general strain and stress building that quick until things settle
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I went from 2k a month to 12.8k a month in 2 years in. that wasnt constant canvassing but i did use a few different teams to get it. I then stopped canvassing fo a while and it dropped down to 10k a month until i built it up again.
in order for you to build that quick in domestics you will need to be prepared to lose 50% of all customers between 1-12 months so you will in effect need to canvass around 15k a month to end up with the sort of figure your talking.
You will need good reliable lads
You will need to be prepared to put up with a shed load of idiot customers until your left with the decent ones.
You will need to chase down the debts constantly before the debt gets out of hand.
You will need to be prepared for general strain and stress building that quick until things settle
i agree sometimes you just have to put up with that much crap and then rebuilid d put up with more crap then rebuild its part and parcel we will be rebuilding for the third time next year its a shame coz you do pick up some genuine excellent customers along the way and i find the service they recieve sometimes fails becoz of the idiots messing u around
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I was thinking of a, getting customers to sign a 6 monthly contract, too try and cut down on messer from the word go, and b, offering a 10%\15% discount if they pay upfront for six months.
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I was thinking of a, getting customers to sign a 6 monthly contract, too try and cut down on messer from the word go, and b, offering a 10%\15% discount if they pay upfront for six months.
good luck with that ;) we had a 3 month agreement and it did work quite well still got the odd idiot though
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Maybe I'll work up to six monthly....start with 3 months tomorrow, see how it does, can't Hurt to ask if they'd like a discount for up front payment aswell
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wouldnt ask about up front payments, too dodgy, think about it if someone knocked on your door offering a wc service but wanted 6 months up fron
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Its all worth a try...he who dares... :)
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wouldnt ask about up front payments, too dodgy, think about it if someone knocked on your door offering a wc service but wanted 6 months up fron
I do share you're doubts, but I just think if 10-20percent took me up on the offer, that's 10-20percent less to collect.
My theory is if you never ask you'll never get :D
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This is my target for 2012 :-\
dont forget you will have to charge VAT if you are raking in that kind of money. so your prices will be on average 20% more expensive than you competitors.
But im not a fan of VAT so i would limit my business to below VAT threshold.
if your business is spread over two towns is there a legal way of you splitting your business so you wive's name runs one and you run the other, while the 2 businesses are below the VAT threshold.
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If he started from scratch he wouldn't need to until probably the end of the 12 months.
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This is my target for 2012 :-\
dont forget you will have to charge VAT if you are raking in that kind of money. so your prices will be on average 20% more expensive than you competitors.
But im not a fan of VAT so i would limit my business to below VAT threshold.
if your business is spread over two towns is there a legal way of you splitting your business so you wive's name runs one and you run the other, while the 2 businesses are below the VAT threshold.
as far as i know you can split business on one address but not if they provide the same service or product. so if a wife was ebay or carpet scrubbing and the guy was window cleaning then no probs. otherwise two window cleaners at same address and married.............
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My accountant gave me the example of a laundrette being next door to a dry cleaners owned by the same person. In theory they are seperate businesses but could be argued they are the same type of business.
Its at your own risk
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Surely on paper I can have one business and my mate have one business?!
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If everything is seperate then yes but if your using same equipment, staff etc then no or at your own risk!!
which ever you prefer
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Its all worth a try...he who dares... :)
The words of a true Entrepreneur ;)
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Its all worth a try...he who dares... :)
The words of a true Entrepreneur ;)
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dreamer :D :D :D :D
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Who's a dreamer? The guy who's asking about building it up?
It could be done but it does sound easier on paper than it actually is. The more resources you have the easier it is.
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i hope the guy does it, i think its possbile, as all the lad is doing is knocking, some one else is cleaning, this is what i was hoping to do, but cant find any one to do the cleaning so i can do all the knocking
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i hope the guy does it, i think its possbile, as all the lad is doing is knocking, some one else is cleaning, this is what i was hoping to do, but cant find any one to do the cleaning so i can do all the knocking
Thats when you begin to see where reality starts and idealistic dreaming ends. It always starts out sounding so believable but getting that "someone reliable" to do all the cleaning is where the wheels come off the plan.
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i hope the guy does it, i think its possbile, as all the lad is doing is knocking, some one else is cleaning, this is what i was hoping to do, but cant find any one to do the cleaning so i can do all the knocking
Thats when you begin to see where reality starts and idealistic dreaming ends. It always starts out sounding so believable but getting that "someone reliable" to do all the cleaning is where the wheels come off the plan.
My mate, who will be cleaning the windows, has been a best mate for more than fifteen years, he knows the game inside out as he runs his own successful round already, but like so many cleaners, hates canvassing with a passion, where as I'd rather canvass everyday
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TC - I reckon it WILL work! If you want something enough then trying to reach your goal isnt a bad thing mate! I for one am going to build more this year, my goals arent quite as high as yours, but all being well and if all goes to somewhere near plan i'll achieve somewhere near my goal! It depends on individuals motivation and resources!
I dont think your goals are unrealistic if youve got the time and resources! Dont forget it will be hard work! I am a single dad bringing up 4 boys on my own, 1 is autistic, if i had the time i would set my sights as high as you! GO FOR IT MATE! I WISH YOU MY BEST!
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Knowing you like i know you mate, i would say if you pick your areas well, you will do it in 8 months.
Just make sure your plan in flawless mate, even if you think it is have a plan B ;) & dont for get little old me ;D
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It is possible, but it all depends on HOW MUCH YOU WANT IT!
If you asked 100 people if they could do it, you'd probably get a whole load of different answers, ranging from easy to impossible.
Now ask those same 100 people the same question, but this time tell them the reward for doing it is a million pounds. I can bet you the answers would be a lot different, with most saying they could do it no problem.
What's changed? The task is just the same but the DESIRE and DETERMINATION of the people involved has now gone through the roof.
So go for it, and if you want it enough you'll achieve it. :)
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I would say one good canvasser in decent areas working say 6 days a week should bring in about £1500 a week worth of leads,one offs, and regular customers
on average 45% 50% of what you pick up goes regular ,by regular im saying 3 cleans or more to be honest £750 a week after filtering is a very good result are you able to work like crazy,it will take you at least 6 months because after 3 cleans more drop out i would say constant work taking into consideration time off yes 8 months 10 months by your self you could,
you will need at least 2 cleaners thou, one man cant do it.
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every one in ten of those customers will be good quality the other nine will be users , time wasters, and messers good luck
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1 in 10? you must seriously upset some people ;D
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No in reality at least 50% good the other half time wasters
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So that wil be 1 in 2 customers then not 1 in 10
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I think if your determined and focussed - think the sky is the limit. But its having that mindset...... and discipline - sticking to the plan, good luck TC
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Of course it can be done. min price of £20 in decent areas for semi's and small detatched houses. working 8 till 5 everyday on the glass doing £20 houses day in day out. with canvasser working 2-8 every day.
Even if it takes longer than a year to build up the rewards after are so worth all the stress and sweat.
fair play.
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sorry ive not read all 4 pages. nothing wrong with ambition. the only risk is hitting too low after setting the goal so high that it could knock you down and cause some people to give up. i make lots of easy to hit goals like 1 new customer every 2 days. easy to hit and at least 15 new customers per month. 15 times 12 means 180 new customers a year. keeps me happy.
good luck with 10.000 in a year.
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I will canvass all of it on my own, my mate will clean with a lad, then contract the work out when they can't keep up I'm thinking canvass £1000 worth a month until October, then I have two months spare, to replace the leave it this month/I'll pay double next time/the canvasser said this and that brigade. I reckon it's possible :P
if you work on 50% of what you canvass will stay long term I would up what you canvass each month, from the rounds I have bought canvassed work does not have a high retention rate.
10k a month is possible but will require a load of hassle that comes with new customers, not plain sailing as many would let you think but I guess is possible if you have the right team.
there are a load of variables in this to this working or failing.
it is good to have realist goals, so I wish you luck anyway :)
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Depends on how big the catchment area is. £10,000 a Month (not a year as some people are reading it) is probably what? 700 to 1000 customers on a five week clean? Maybe a lot more if they go for longer frequencies. Most sole traders might clean twenty in a day if they are not crammed together - only 400 a month with good weather so you'll need at least two cleaners maybe three. Don't forget all those first cleans.
To be honest I doubt you could build it that fast.
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Depends on how big the catchment area is. £10,000 a Month (not a year as some people are reading it) is probably what? 700 to 1000 customers on a five week clean? Maybe a lot more if they go for longer frequencies. Most sole traders might clean twenty in a day if they are not crammed together - only 400 a month with good weather so you'll need at least two cleaners maybe three. Don't forget all those first cleans.
To be honest I doubt you could build it that fast.
building it is not the problem, the work is
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That's what I'm getting at. His mate won't be able to cope with the work on his own when the other is canvassing. Also three wages need to come out of the work being built, not just one. The canvasser prefers door knocking to cleaning but I bet he doesn't want door knocker wages.
Having read the post again he's only canvassing one day a week - in that case no way I think.
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Also the post might be a bit misleading - as you, your mate and a lad are already cleaners are you looking to generate £10,000 a month from scratch or simply to top your existing round?
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would have to get just over £193.79 a day canvassing, that for one person is a few large task and you would have to retain all work to keep to the figure, looking unlikely. buying work would be an option in month 3 or 4 maybe
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Also the post might be a bit misleading - as you, your mate and a lad are already cleaners are you looking to generate £10,000 a month from scratch or simply to top your existing round?
We already have 1200 a month of established work, plus I've canvassed 500 in the past couple of weeks, so already around 1700-1800 per month, and if the right work comes up for sale in the right place I might buy some work
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Also the post might be a bit misleading - as you, your mate and a lad are already cleaners are you looking to generate £10,000 a month from scratch or simply to top your existing round?
We already have 1200 a month of established work, plus I've canvassed 500 in the past couple of weeks, so already around 1700-1800 per month, and if the right work comes up for sale in the right place I might buy some work
when you grow to lets say three times the size to keep it simple, you will have at least three times the headaches, staff, debt, vans, Staff, debts, sickness etc, ask anyone with a larger round and see what they say and domestics are a nightmare the bigger you get, also remember you lose a % when you hit vat as uping prices on domestics you will likely lose a large amount. all things to really sit down and plan out.