Clean It Up
UK Floor Cleaning Forum => Carpet Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: Simon Gerrard on December 21, 2011, 08:25:17 am
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I've just joined TACCA after having heard lots about it. (100th Member ;D)
Wow , Derek has done a brilliant job with it, the website looks fanatastic and he has really thought the whole thing through in quite some detail.
If I were an NCCA member I'm not sure I'd been stumping up another two hundred quid just to be able to display their logo when you could join TACCA for free and get all the same and more benefits. Plus, I think TACCA may well be going places, so come on boys and girls, give Derek's efforts the support it deserves - join TACCA.
http://www.tacca.co.uk/
Simon
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I've just joined TACCA after having heard lots about it. (100th Member ;D)
Wow , Derek has done a brilliant job with it, the website looks fanatastic and he has really thought the whole thing through in quite some detail.
If I were an NCCA member I'm not sure I'd been stumping up another two hundred quid just to be able to display their logo when you could join TACCA for free and get all the same and more benefits. Plus, I think TACCA may well be going places, so come on boys and girls, give Derek's efforts the support it deserves - join TACCA.
http://www.tacca.co.uk/
Simon
Ass Kisser!!!!!!!!!!! I like it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
;D ;D ;D
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Can't
wont let me
LM clean
:P :P :P
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Billy,
Not quite ass kissing, but certainly the act of taking my hat off to a man who deserves my respect.
When Derek first started his business he joined Truckmounters and things got a little heated and he got banned.
Since then Derek has built and very successful business and some how or other found the time to set up TACCA and not just said he was going to do it, but got up and did it and I for one admire him immensely for it.
Anyone who wants to know how to set up a professional carpet cleaning business from the ground up - speak to Derek, and while you're at it, join TACCA!
Simon
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Can't............not got the proper gear!!!!!
John
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That is a lot of people to pay towards National Advertising
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Billy,
Not quite ass kissing, but certainly the act of taking my hat off to a man who deserves my respect.
When Derek first started his business he joined Truckmounters and things got a little heated and he got banned.
Since then Derek has built and very successful business and some how or other found the time to set up TACCA and not just said he was going to do it, but got up and did it and I for one admire him immensely for it.
Anyone who wants to know how to set up a professional carpet cleaning business from the ground up - speak to Derek, and while you're at it, join TACCA!
Simon
Stop being so serious!!!!!!! I'm only winding you up! usfefp!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ;D ;D ;D
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Billy, Simons very easy to wind up ! ;D ;D
I'm trying to work out what usfefp stands for? Think I got the first bit, lol
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Simon,whats different or so good about TCCA compared to the
NCCA ? It is now many years since I was a member of the NCCA
Which in those days was called simply the CCA.
Benefits perhaps have improved slightly over the years for members
Regarding the NCCA,in fact I`m sure they have.
If membership to the TCCA is free,and benefits are more,as you say
They are then is this possibly the `beginning of the end`for the NCCA ?
Surely no carpet cleaner will pay over £200 of his hard earned money
To be a member of NCCA when the TCCA is free?
Although you have stated that yourself.
How many of the 100 members of TCCA are presently members of NCCA?
A fair percentage at a guess I would say.
Do you know,if not what about other forum members ?
Lewis Doubtfire
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I'm a member of TACCA and would still join NCCA too if I had the time to do their courses...
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And I think it's important not to get ahead of ourselves, I'm pretty sure that the reason its free is to attract new members with the intention of getting enough support so that we all chip in a bit for some sort of TV advertising campaign? I'd rather spend £200 on that I think, personally.
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Sky TV was Free to start
You used to get Windows and Word bundles when you bought a Computer.
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And I think it's important not to get ahead of ourselves, I'm pretty sure that the reason its free is to attract new members with the intention of getting enough support so that we all chip in a bit for some sort of TV advertising campaign? I'd rather spend £200 on that I think, personally.
some sort of tv advetising, Whats that then a video in a doctors surgery ? ;)
Seriously, astronomical costs involved, and even 500 members paying £200 each i doubt would scratch the surface.
Initialy. yes i have copy and pasted Pre Production – Creative Ideas, Scripts, Storyboards, Research, Planning, Set Design, Casting, Budgeting, Scheduling and Pre Clearance.
Production – Studio, Set Building, Shooting, Animation, Graphic Design, Music Composition and Voiceover Record.
Post Production – Editing, Grading, Audio Dubbing, Mastering, Clearcast Clearance and Delivery.
THEN OF COURSE THEIR IS THE ACTUAL SLOTS , 10k may get you half a dozen 30 sec slots on some obscure channel, at around 3 in the morning :-\
geoff
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It seems that Derek is doing lots of smart things to promote his carpet cleaning association, yet what seems to capture everyones interest is getting on the TV. I wouldn't judge the success of TACCA on the results of that campaign alone, but I bet many will in the end.
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Can't
wont let me
LM clean
:P :P :P
just on this point..... if TACCA does not endorse the use of LM methods to clean carpets then it could cause problems further down the line.
to offer an alternative to the NCCA or act as a spokes-body for the industry then you need to have the big suppliers of board..... eg prochem, chemspec..... etc....etc
how can you say to these companies we want you to join TACCA but we cannot advice our members to use your full range of chemicals as we don't think they give an acceptable result.
I think it shows a lack of understanding of carpet cleaning and they will decline membership.
thins is not criticism of TACCA I think that as the organisation evolves it should be able to assess and adjust policy.
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way off the mark geoff, ive done the research, we're in talks with a media company and have a full inventary of costs, slot times, numbers, etc... theyve done us costings for 4 campaigns with audience number breakdowns for each campaign, theyve even done some scripts for us.
we've also just had a press release published in cleanfax, jeffs been really helpful.
we have an exciting new associate member who is right behind us and gonna help recruit new members for us, and we've also got a training company who are interested in doing there training behind the TACCA logo.
going really well so far. and its all thanks to the guys who have got behind it and applied for membership. strength in depth as the saying goes, ;D 7 more registered today.
if any of the guys who have registered but not applied are having trouble logging back in or have lost there password, just send me an email and i'll send details of how to reset your password. derek@affordablecleaners.co.uk come on guys its xmas, ;D
mike, not read all your post as i was posting my self, we fully endorse LM but not as a stand alone system.
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Simon,whats different or so good about TCCA compared to the
NCCA ? It is now many years since I was a member of the NCCA
Which in those days was called simply the CCA.
Benefits perhaps have improved slightly over the years for members
Regarding the NCCA,in fact I`m sure they have.
If membership to the TCCA is free,and benefits are more,as you say
They are then is this possibly the `beginning of the end`for the NCCA ?
Surely no carpet cleaner will pay over £200 of his hard earned money
To be a member of NCCA when the TCCA is free?
Although you have stated that yourself.
How many of the 100 members of TCCA are presently members of NCCA?
A fair percentage at a guess I would say.
Do you know,if not what about other forum members ?
Lewis Doubtfire
It's simple, TACCA is switched on and NCCA is switched off. Unfortunately the NCCA is run a bit like an working Menes club with a committee who seem more intent in protecting their own places of perceived importance rather than taking this industry forward. Derek seems to have put together the beginnings of what could turn out to be the successor to the NCCA because unless the NCCA adapt and change then they will quickly become an irrelevance, if they aren't already. That is why I think as many people as possible should join TACCA as possible, because only with the threat of becoming an irrelevance will the NCCA even contemplate change., but I think by the time that happens the TACCA may well have become the association of choice for the majority.
Simon
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Mike,when I first joined the NCCA the Host system was around
But they ( the council members at the time) did`nt recognise or
Endorse it,now they do I think.Do the NCCA recognise LM methods ?
SafeClean and Chem-Dry use HWE machines for all their `gumph`as
To using their own `foam`and `crystallised carbon bubbles`methods.
Shampooing carpets with a Columbus Dixon or a Cimex was `the way
To go`in those days.HWE was classed as a rinse machine.
Major suppliers brought into the TCCA like as you’ve mentioned will
Only get them to sell and push their own machines and products.
Just the same with the CCA or NCCA all that time ago,the `rookie`to
Carpet cleaning as I was,2 of the leading members were just hell bent
On selling Von Shrader to me.!
Everyone has something to sell,oaky it`s the world all over,if the TCCA
Can eradicate that,it`ll be some kind of miracle.
Really in my view there can be only one leading body that sets the
Standards in the industry,it`s not a competition of sorts “ My clubs a
Better club than your club “ ???????????????????????????????????
Assuming it`s brought to the attention of the general paying consumer
And general public,as it does now look,what will they make of it all ? ?
Lewis Doubtfire
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Who cares whether the likes of Prochem etc join as associate members.
TACCA is about educating the public, not taking associate fees from manufacturers.
It is very early days but very encouraging - well done Derek.
TACCA will never be all things to all men, just as the NCCA isn't, but I'm very encouraged by some of the new members who I would not have expected to back it.
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I'm just impressed that Simon likes TACCA, after all those long boring posts that seemed to be against it.... ;D
Obviously Derek was listening, Simon...
Which is why I have faith, keep at it Derek, you'll get there son... ;D
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we fully endorse LM but not as a stand alone system.
Why not??
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Who cares whether the likes of Prochem etc join as associate members.
TACCA is about educating the public, not taking associate fees from manufacturers.
It is very early days but very encouraging - well done Derek.
TACCA will never be all things to all men, just as the NCCA isn't, but I'm very encouraged by some of the new members who I would not have expected to back it.
Steve its about credibility, it takes TACCA from being seen as a bunch of carpet cleaners off an Internet forum to being a voice in the carpet cleaners industry that should be listened too, prochem & chemspec have a good reputation in the industry having them as 'associate members will only be a good thing
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Who cares whether the likes of Prochem etc join as associate members.
TACCA is about educating the public, not taking associate fees from manufacturers.
It is very early days but very encouraging - well done Derek.
TACCA will never be all things to all men, just as the NCCA isn't, but I'm very encouraged by some of the new members who I would not have expected to back it.
Steve its about credibility, it takes TACCA from being seen as a bunch of carpet cleaners off an Internet forum to being a voice in the carpet cleaners industry that should be listened too, prochem & chemspec have a good reputation in the industry having them as 'associate members will only be a good thing
Mike i would of thought the majority of the general public have never heard of prochem or chemspec.
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I don't think Derek used the right words "standalone system"
I think what he meant to say was, if you bonnet clean every carpet as your standard system that's not in line with TACCA's policy. I for one endorse that.
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I'm just impressed that Simon likes TACCA, after all those long boring posts that seemed to be against it
Colin,
I don't think I have ever been against TACCA, but I was skeptical, especially after the CLEAN fiasco. But Derek has surprised me and I'm sure a lot of others in his vision and sheer determination to get it to where it is today and I can actually see this becoming a real alternative to the NCCA, so everyone should join up, it costs nothing.
Simon
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I think it's unfair to label CLEAN as a fiasco Simon. It was though, a very good demonstration of how apathetic most folks are in our industry.
But just as any organisation needs to, TACCA has to do enough to grab hold of the "lone wolf" mentality many of us have and give it a bit of a shake! Long way to go but so far very encouraging :)
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Jim,
Depends on your definition of a fiasco.
Simon
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I think it's unfair to label CLEAN as a fiasco Simon. It was though, a very good demonstration of how apathetic most folks are in our industry.
But just as any organisation needs to, TACCA has to do enough to grab hold of the "lone wolf" mentality many of us have and give it a bit of a shake! Long way to go but so far very encouraging :)
hey! i know i want members to join but i aint giving anything a bit of a shake just to up the numbers, i aint that keen ;D
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Thats not what i heard about you and Billy boy ;D
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My only question is - TACCA - why ?
If it's to change the publics perception of professional carpet cleaning (as you said) I just don't recognize that problem, you see, it only matters how your customers perceive you. why try to change how the industries perceived ? You have no control over all the other carpet cleaners out there. You can only stand behind yourself and your work.
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Thats not what i heard about you and Billy boy ;D
Don't start, Yosimite Sam, yyyyyyyyyyyyeeeeeeeeeeeeehhhhhhhhhaaaaaaaaawwwwwwwww!!!!!!!
;D ;D
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I'm just impressed that Simon likes TACCA, after all those long boring posts that seemed to be against it
Colin,
I don't think I have ever been against TACCA, but I was skeptical, especially after the CLEAN fiasco. But Derek has surprised me and I'm sure a lot of others in his vision and sheer determination to get it to where it is today and I can actually see this becoming a real alternative to the NCCA, so everyone should join up, it costs nothing.
Simon
I added a laughy face, that made my comment tongue in cheek, didn't it...?
I can bring the old posts up if you like ;)
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Billy,
Not quite ass kissing, but certainly the act of taking my hat off to a man who deserves my respect.
When Derek first started his business he joined Truckmounters and things got a little heated and he got banned.
Since then Derek has built and very successful business and some how or other found the time to set up TACCA and not just said he was going to do it, but got up and did it and I for one admire him immensely for it.
Anyone who wants to know how to set up a professional carpet cleaning business from the ground up - speak to Derek, and while you're at it, join TACCA!
Simon
Simon, not that sure I would call any legitimate business in the service industry successful when they dont have to pay any tax, no tax = no profit :) if your honest you will agree.
Granted, some businesses do have to run for a few years before they make a profit, if its just cleaning carpets, then no! it requires very little investment to make a good profit right from the start.
I'm not having a go at Derek with this post, I used to think he was ok until he told me/others earlier this year in windy Wales that he can clean the carpets of a 3 bed house in just 45 minutes from start to finish, although in his defence he did say that didnt include the edges ;D
I also take my hat off to someone that can build and run a successful business and find the free time to start an association that is in place to help others, and he is doing all for free ;D ;D unfortunately they dont seem to post on here.
But be warned, if you tell that guy that your s#it was black last night, and he replies mine was blacker, do yourself/others a favour and just get on with your own business ;)
Fair enough... So does that mean we shouldn't join the NCCA, after all???
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You sounded pretty fed up in past posts...
Well done on you huge portfolio by the way...
Gis a job lord Sugar... ;D
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Billy,
Not quite ass kissing, but certainly the act of taking my hat off to a man who deserves my respect.
When Derek first started his business he joined Truckmounters and things got a little heated and he got banned.
Since then Derek has built and very successful business and some how or other found the time to set up TACCA and not just said he was going to do it, but got up and did it and I for one admire him immensely for it.
Anyone who wants to know how to set up a professional carpet cleaning business from the ground up - speak to Derek, and while you're at it, join TACCA!
Simon
Simon, not that sure I would call any legitimate business in the service industry successful when they dont have to pay any tax, no tax = no profit :) if your honest you will agree.
Granted, some businesses do have to run for a few years before they make a profit, if its just cleaning carpets, then no! it requires very little investment to make a good profit right from the start.
I'm not having a go at Derek with this post, I used to think he was ok until he told me/others earlier this year in windy Wales that he can clean the carpets of a 3 bed house in just 45 minutes from start to finish, although in his defence he did say that didnt include the edges ;D
I also take my hat off to someone that can build and run a successful business and find the free time to start an association that is in place to help others, and he is doing all for free ;D ;D unfortunately they dont seem to post on here.
But be warned, if you tell that guy that your s#it was black last night, and he replies mine was blacker, do yourself/others a favour and just get on with your own business ;)
Westy,
Not got a clue what you're on about here mate. You been on the Whisky? ;D
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Since then Derek has built and very successful business and some how or other found the time to set up TACCA and not just said he was going to do it, but got up and did it and I for one admire him immensely for it.
Really ? How is this verified ? Most succesful business people own their home not rented , and I dont think you can count not having to pay tax as a success, or being trading for just 2 or 3 years.
Lets face it , the public as a whole do not care about carpet cleaning , TACCA is a website with 100 people subscribed , and any journalist worth their salt would simply check the facts of the people behind it (eg only 100 self regulated carpet cleaners) and attach no credibility to any statement put out.
There are media directories which are used by journalists to seek out expertise and opinion on events as they happen in the news , they would simply laugh at TACCA .
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sorry you've fallen out with me paul over something as little as that, ive said it before and i'll say it again, i had a great day at the cleaning show with you, you were a perfect gentlemen and extremely generous to me and court. ive tried to be a good friend by passing on your number and even ringing/texting work referals to you. but if thats why youve fallen out with me then maybe its for the best. as for cleaning a 3 bed house in 45 mins, i know i can't. wish i could, and if i did say that which i probably did, then maybe i was in exageration mode like we all do from time to time. ive done the odd EOT in under an hour with no furniture and an assistant, so maybe i got carried away on the day, anyway, aint gonna lose sleep over it but if you ever forgive me then let me know and i'll buy ya a coffee for old times sake. and i mean that sincerely as i'm too old to be falling out with folk. lifes far too short.
is there a time limit for running a successful business? i'm getting there but theres still a long way to go. ive never claimed to be successful but i'm certainly going in the right direction.
As for TACCA having credibility, 3 months!!!!!! it takes a long time for something to build credibility, your having a laugh if your slating its credibility so early. slow and steady wins the race, and keep your eye on the associates page, might shock a few people over the coming months. theres a lot more people in the industry following TACCA than you may think. ;)
give us a couple of years before you judge surely!!!!
and jason, just cos you didn't get into tacca, doesn't mean you can't help. TACCA is predominantly a HWE association, the fact that you choose to bonnet everything doesn't mean your not good at what you do. look at it as this, you own a VW beatle and TACCA is a triumph stag owners club, each car is good but it would be daft to try and join TACCA on that basis?
right 1 more job to do then that me done till after xmas, and just for the record, this morning job was 3 bedrooms no furniture to move, she said just clean what you can see, landing and stair, no hall, i had my mate helping and did it 1 hr and 5 mins from on the drive to off. i timed it. customer was a repeat from over 2 years ago, and extremely happy with the result.
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I was merely pointing out the ridiculousness of the statement "TACCA is brill" It may well be one day, but as of now it is hype and a website with 100 members.
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I was merely pointing out the ridiculousness of the statement "TACCA is brill" It may well be one day, but as of now it is hype and a website with 100 members.
Jason,
What an insulting statement. TACCA, in my view, is brill because one man out of a whole throng of us that have been moaning about the NCCA, has got up of his backside and done something about it and to pour scorn on his efforts and doubtless the money he has put into getting it up and running is disgraceful. Sour grapes, perhaps as muck spreaders are excluded. ;D
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Actually i think it is 101 members now 8) ;D ;)
Andrew
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be good that paul, merry xmas and to everyone else a merry xmas, i'm done now, feet up, chill and unwind. lets see what 2012 has in store for us.
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Hi Guys
I must say that when I met Westy (Paul) at the CCDO he was a really nice bloke and a credit to our industry.
Derek has done amazingly well and when I think of all the negativity that was heaped on the CLEAN attempt to get a more dynamic representation, he was very bold to go ahead, well done.
Cheers
Doug
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Roger is that tight that you'll have shared a meal between you!
Doug said that Derek was 'Bold to go ahead' but me I had to laugh 'Derek being bold'
Paul it's not therepy but as BT said "it's good to talk"
GOD I sound like GRIBBLE !! and I don't drink!
Shaun
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Maybe free turkey for all tacca members will boost the membership for xmas derek ;D
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Derek
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don't mind at all ian, getting some really good ideas through on the email from the guys, all really good stuff, at the moment though its just support through application and getting numbers on the map. then ideas like yours can really have momentum, allthough we've all ready negotiated a great discount with the video guys and they even did the TACCA video ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=mnHQK2pqmsA 210 views, woohoo) for free for us, so yes your right, power in numbers will definately be achievable.
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It's good to see Simon joining and supporting TACCA as I do, it looks to me it is okay to be in the NCCA and TACCA and indeed any other thing you like, TMCCA, IICRC,CITY & GUILDS etc.... ;D
Hi to both "Westy's" hope you both are well and look forward to seeing you both again soon ;)
Hope we all do well in coming new year :D