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UK Floor Cleaning Forum => Carpet Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: Jamie Lindsay on December 06, 2011, 11:45:52 pm
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I have read a few posts recently and I have heard a few say the get through 6-7 jobs per day ?
I just cant see how this is posible lol maybe it is but could someone explain
the reason behind this is that and Im sure you will agree.. the time spent doing the non carpet cleaning things ie driving there unloading machine and all other bits n bobs the water etc etc
could someone shed light on this
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WELL FIRSTLY ...IF THE JOBS ARE CLOSE THEN THATS THE TRAVELLING TIME CUT DOWN AND SECONLY IF ITS DONE BY A TRUCKMOUNT NO TIME WASTED FILLING AND EMPTYING...NEXT???
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Monty also saves time by leaving his capslock on, saves turning it on and off when needed :D
p.S I've got 5 calls to make tomorrow:
- lounge & hall
- lounge, stairs & landing
- empty 3 bed house
- return a rug and do some selling
- protect 16sqm carpet in retailer's warehouse
total travelling probably 45 miles. Leave house 9.15, get home probably 4.30 - 5.00
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6-7 jobs
they must be getting 1 carpet and no furniture moving
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all you need is motivation. Its not how long a job takes... it's how long you want it to last . I dont know how long you have been carpet cleaning but ive done it for over 16 years now and 5 jobs a day no probs. Speed comes with experience.
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not saying you cant do it
do you move furniture
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of course... i am a TACCA member you know ;D
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.. problem is, he doesn't bring it back in out of the garden afterwards ;D ;D
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Jamie,
I have been in this business over 22 years and I have not yet managed to do 7 jobs in one day. In fact it is probably almost impossible in London even for 7 of the smallest possible jobs due to traffic and parking.
The number of jobs you complete in one day means nothing anyway. What matters is how many pounds you have in your pocket at the end of the day and how many of todays clients will ring you next time they need cleaning.
I would prefer the minimum number of jobs per day. I have been working hard to improve my average job value and reduce the number of jobs.
Nigel
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all you need is motivation. Its not how long a job takes... it's how long you want it to last .
what does that actually mean???
first job today I'm doing a 3 bed house and a big suite .... i want it to last 2 hour but it will take 5 :-\ :-\
to do 7 jobs a day they need to be closed to together single rooms or you are working long hours or work as a 2 man team. I work with maximum efficiency, my jobs are within a couple of miles of each other and i would struggle to do 7 multi-room jobs a day
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6 today
Lounge sl
3 seater
3 beds sl
3 beds sl
Lounge
Lounge sl
All on own no prob
All within 3 miles otherwise couldn't do it
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Jamie,
I have been in this business over 22 years and I have not yet managed to do 7 jobs in one day. In fact it is probably almost impossible in London even for 7 of the smallest possible jobs due to traffic and parking.
The number of jobs you complete in one day means nothing anyway. What matters is how many pounds you have in your pocket at the end of the day and how many of todays clients will ring you next time they need cleaning.
I would prefer the minimum number of jobs per day. I have been working hard to improve my average job value and reduce the number of jobs.
Nigel
Personally...I dont agree with this statement. For me yes it,s nice to go home with 4-500 pounds per day but I think like this... The more doors you get in the more referals you get. Works for me. Its not about earning £500 pound in a day. I prefer a consatant flow of work and a regular income. I learnt this from my granma "little and often" is better than all in one go then worry about where next is coming from. I implement this in my business and i never have to worry about where my next customer is coming from as always booked solid. Some chose not to work like this but at the end of the day its my business and it works for me and a big factor is your personal circumstances. If you have massive morgage and loads of other commitments then yes you need a high income fast as people worry about paying for the lifestyle they live. I think this is where the world has gone wrong. People have got greedy and expect others to pay for it. I pefer to offer a quallity service at a fair price affordable for everyone. This long lerm is better without a doubt. I read comments after comments from people on here struggling. My advice is "your best asset in your business is your customers. The more you have and the better value for money you give them strenthens your business and refferals are never short of." I am not knocking anyone... only trying to be onest and perhaps give helpfull advice.
work today
h/s/l
lounge
lounge diner
stairs/ landing lounge
2 +3 seater
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Theres a wide gulf between being "fair priced" and being "cheap" problem is I see too many who are cheap. It damages the industry and disheartens the operator.
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I did five jobs yesterday.
Lounge HSL
Lounge diner conservatory
3 bedrooms (on on the third frigging floor :'()
Lounge
Three bed semi all thru.
And I'm an old numpty, so you young sods should eat a day like that.
Get some pie down yer neck ;D
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Whilst doing the groupon jobs I was regularly doing 5 or 6 jobs a day..
I am an old numpty too, so you young whipper snappers should be doing double that....
;D ;D ;D
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Hector ;D
Got 5 jobs to do today myself here..
1 will be a furniture move around for an old lady so that job will take time..
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what amazes me is the fact you get 5-6 jobs per day!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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4 to 5 jobs a day is easy especially if close together and you have a helper who fetches and carries.
Besides which it could be a mix of thru lounge, spot/stain removal, small velour 3ps. Sometimes it can be a bit embarrassing how quickly you can get through a job.
If all you have to do is clean without having to do any marketing or quoting you will certainly have more time available. The trouble is that at this time of the year you work late and then there is no time left in the evening to do much and by the time you knock off for Christmas you are so tired that you don't want to party and besides you often go down with illness as your body reacts to the sudden stop of adrenelin.
Ideally no more than 4 a day would be great (good money) but then you get a regular client with a rush job which you then need to squeeze in....and then a highly profitable job presents itself which also needs to be done today and then you find yourself working a 12 hour day. It's ok if it's once a week or so, but when it's every day you will inevitably get run down. But there again it's "loads of money" ;D
Rog
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im also doing 5-6 jobs a day on a regular basis at the moment . I suppose its what you get used to doing if your only used to doing two or three a day then five or six will feel like you dont have enough hours in the day to complete it .
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but you are doing groupon work as well are you not Craig?
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I never do more than three job in a day that's more than enough for me your right setting your equipment up and putting away plus doing the job, i don't know how some of the guys do it. for me on average its one to two jobs a day i can earn more than enough from that.
Today Lounge/hall/ stair/bathroom and landing
Two bed flat
Total £320 i am happy with that
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6 and 7 jobs in a day???
With a porty that must be a hell of
a long day.
Average job time from arrive to depart
say 90 mins = 10.5 hours.
Driving round , eating etc = 2.5 hours.
So 13 hour day and that's if there all
close which I doubt with 7 jobs.
Once did 6 in summer and got home at
9pm and vowed never again.
3 or 4 at most, as someone said it's about
how much not how many.
John
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2 so far today and was home at 12.45, left
at 09.15.
Unfortunately I have a job to go to at 6pm
and I hate evening work in Winter.
John
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James and John
Similar to you guys regarding total jobs in a day.4 is really hard going with a porty.Problem for me working in a large city is the travelling time between jobs.Other day, job in scholes(east leeds area),then over to Pudsey (west leeds)19 miles and 40 mins in van.
Chris
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Jamie,
I have been in this business over 22 years and I have not yet managed to do 7 jobs in one day. In fact it is probably almost impossible in London even for 7 of the smallest possible jobs due to traffic and parking.
The number of jobs you complete in one day means nothing anyway. What matters is how many pounds you have in your pocket at the end of the day and how many of todays clients will ring you next time they need cleaning.
I would prefer the minimum number of jobs per day. I have been working hard to improve my average job value and reduce the number of jobs.
Nigel
Personally...I dont agree with this statement. For me yes it,s nice to go home with 4-500 pounds per day but I think like this... The more doors you get in the more referals you get. Works for me. Its not about earning £500 pound in a day. I prefer a consatant flow of work and a regular income. I learnt this from my granma "little and often" is better than all in one go then worry about where next is coming from. I implement this in my business and i never have to worry about where my next customer is coming from as always booked solid. Some chose not to work like this but at the end of the day its my business and it works for me and a big factor is your personal circumstances. If you have massive morgage and loads of other commitments then yes you need a high income fast as people worry about paying for the lifestyle they live. I think this is where the world has gone wrong. People have got greedy and expect others to pay for it. I pefer to offer a quallity service at a fair price affordable for everyone. This long lerm is better without a doubt. I read comments after comments from people on here struggling. My advice is "your best asset in your business is your customers. The more you have and the better value for money you give them strenthens your business and refferals are never short of." I am not knocking anyone... only trying to be onest and perhaps give helpfull advice.
work today
h/s/l
lounge
lounge diner
stairs/ landing lounge
2 +3 seater
Thanks for that Monty. I have been wondering where it was all going so wrong ::)
Nigel
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4 is my max in a day that's a 9-5 mind you
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I did 5 jobs today all quite local apart from the 1st one
Thru Lounge
Thru Lounge and hall
Sofa and chair and lounge
Lounge
Lounge
I got whisky and some tomatos also.
Shaun
PS Like Nigel says it's not how many you do it's how much you come back with BUT you do have to find the customer that suits you, there aren't too many of those Holland Park properties near me.
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I did 5 jobs today all quite local apart from the 1st one
I got whisky and some tomatos also.
Shaun
PS Like Nigel says it's not how many you do it's how much you come back with BUT you do have to find the customer that suits you, there aren't too many of those Holland Park properties near me.
Shaun
I know you like tomatoes. Do you need any help with the whisky?
Rog
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Got my 6 done today -left house 745 back in 645 all custys happy ;)
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what amazes me is the fact you get 5-6 jobs per day!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What you have to remember Simbo is that most people on this forum talk bull s*** myself included.
Matt
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Two today.
Had only one scheduled for tomorrow - 700 square metres dual wanding. Following Monty's advice decided to cancel it and look for 7 small jobs ::)
Nigel
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Monte has a plan, his plan for him is working and working far better than it did t'up North (people are far more cynical in the North) I'd guess he's grossing far less than some but doing far more work than others and it's easier with a TM, based on his prices I'd guess about £140-150 a day, Ian Harper once said that he'd rather be out cleaning than doing nothing as he gets himself into trouble when doing nothing! so no time to misbehave Monte ;D
Shaun
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The NCCA membership director seems to think you can do 3 rooms per house in an hour to a high NCCA standard so that would be 24 carpets in a 8 hour day. :o ???
Bob
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The NCCA membership director seems to think you can do 3 rooms per house in an hour to a high NCCA standard so that would be 24 carpets in a 8 hour day. :o ???
Bob
Yeah if traded your van in for a Tardis.
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And thats the whole point. Why clean 4-5 jobs a day for around £200 less your overheads which for most of us running a professional outfit are around £100 a day. Youre only working yourselfs out.
Id rather do one job a day for £300 than 5 £60 jobs.
Mark
PS. from experience the more jobs you do in a day the more quality suffers as your rushing to beat the clock, traffic, the customer etc.
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£100 PER DAY EXPENSES ................WHY ???
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BECAUSE HE'S WORTH IT!!!
;D :D
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But seriously when are people going to learn that pricing is THE one subject that nobody will ever agree on. If it works for you, stick with it. If you think you need to shift your price point up or down, try it.
I'm considering a bit of a shake-up at some point soon, but crunching the numbers is an almost impossible task because there;s so many unknown variables.
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£100 PER DAY EXPENSES ................WHY ???
Hi Robert,
Todays work - admittedly a very big job.
Fuel@ £50 for Truckmount
Parking £24
Fuel to get to job and back £25
Chemicals etc £50
Thats roughly £150.00
I also have one helper today whose earnings I won't disclose
Then you need to add a percentage of the annual fixed costs of the business. e.g. Trade Insurance, vehicle tax and insurance, advertising/web site costs, equipment depreciations, training,uniforms, vehicle maintenance, association fees, etc etc.
Do the sums for you own business and you will be surprised. I think Mark is spot on with £100 being typical of a smaller carpet cleaning operation.
Nigel
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Todays work - admittedly a very big job.
Fuel@ £50 for Truckmount
Parking £24
Fuel to get to job and back £25
Chemicals etc £50
seems an awful lot of fuel for t.m in a day , i use less than that in a week and that includes using a hotbox. ,and £50 on chems in a day ?. only time i use that amount is if i am encapping commercial. and that would be for a £500 ticket at least
geoff
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Nigel
I wrote a long reply about being well aware of Capital Outlay / Depreciation and all of the Fixed and Variable costs involved but decided to clear it as it was getting a bit confrontational.
However, if I was looking at starting up in c/c I reckon the most viable set up in terms of what will make a reasonable profit and best return on investment while delivering good value for money to service users would be a set up that offered results equal to a static T/M machine but without the running costs and could be run from a smaller van with the obvious bonuses.
Modern portables have the power and with auto fill / empty plus an inline heater when required are perfectly capable of holding their own with static t/m's but cost about one third of a t/m's price and can operate from a smaller, less expensive to buy / run van and because of their lower running costs are more profitable and can offer customers better value.
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Todays work - admittedly a very big job.
Fuel@ £50 for Truckmount
Parking £24
Fuel to get to job and back £25
Chemicals etc £50
seems an awful lot of fuel for t.m in a day , i use less than that in a week and that includes using a hotbox. ,and £50 on chems in a day ?. only time i use that amount is if i am encapping commercial. and that would be for a £500 ticket at least
geoff
Geoff,
I have a Blueline Thermalwave and it was running on high for 9 hours today dual wanding 700 square metres in a house in London. I suspect we went through more than £50 in fuel but i will only find out in the morning when I fill up.
Nigel
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Thats some crazy expenses!!
I go through a tub of 10kg Formula90 and a tub of pre-spray a month = £70 ish a month.
Fual for transit, £40 a week = £160 a month.
Two vacs and a pumphead a year = £400ish a year
I prefer my costs.
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Thats some crazy expenses!!
I go through a tub of 10kg Formula90 and a tub of pre-spray a month = £70 ish a month.
Fual for transit, £40 a week = £160 a month.
Two vacs and a pumphead a year = £400ish a year
I prefer my costs.
I prefer Nigel's income ;D
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Nigel
I wrote a long reply about being well aware of Capital Outlay / Depreciation and all of the Fixed and Variable costs involved but decided to clear it as it was getting a bit confrontational.
However, if I was looking at starting up in c/c I reckon the most viable set up in terms of what will make a reasonable profit and best return on investment while delivering good value for money to service users would be a set up that offered results equal to a static T/M machine but without the running costs and could be run from a smaller van with the obvious bonuses.
Modern portables have the power and with auto fill / empty plus an inline heater when required are perfectly capable of holding their own with static t/m's but cost about one third of a t/m's price and can operate from a smaller, less expensive to buy / run van and because of their lower running costs are more profitable and can offer customers better value.
Hi Robert,
I understand what you are saying and I think your advice is very wise for a start up business. However I think that once you start to develop your business the kind of set up you suggest is less profitable. I can assure you that I could not achieve the same profitability, productivity or price structure for my clients by trading in my Dual wand TM for a portable machine. The extra running costs are overwhelmed by the additional income that can be generated.
Nigel
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Thats some crazy expenses!!
I go through a tub of 10kg Formula90 and a tub of pre-spray a month = £70 ish a month.
Fual for transit, £40 a week = £160 a month.
Two vacs and a pumphead a year = £400ish a year
I prefer my costs.
I prefer Nigel's income ;D
I know me too! i'm a just a poor lad ;D
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I used to have 2 vans with 2 bane clene electric tms when the other guy left/got sacked then I went to 1 van with a petrol tm and did the same turnover the outgoings went considerably down but I would say that outgoings is linear to incomings.
Shaun
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......... but I would say that outgoings is linear to incomings.
Shaun
Are you sure Shaun ;). Can I apply ' Boolean functions' for my business projections ;)
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i did 7 jobs today, all with the customers very pleased and happy - admittedly a very busy and long, long day and i feel like crap afterwards. i work as a 2 man team with one cleaning, while the other presprays, move furniture and aggitate etc. we work very well organised and and very pleased with the results we get.
hall,stairs,landing,3 bedrooms.
3 seater,2 seater, 1 chair and lounge.
hall,stair,landing x2 and 2 6x4 rugs,
lounge and hall and small wc
lounge, hall, stairs and landing
lounge and rug
conservatory, lounge, hall stairs and walkways of 2 beds
total cost of fuel for tm £35, £35 transit and £10 - £15 chemicals but total income well over £800. not sure if i could handle everyday like this tho but its good while it lasts :)
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Carpet Dawg
Fuel for transit, £40 a week = £160 a month.
My calculations week X 52 / 12 = £173.3333 unless a leap year
Steve
I prefer my income ;)
Shaun
Would love to price on Linear ;D
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Frans yours at rs
Shaun
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2 jobs a day average for me, sometimes one large one or 3 small ones.
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Frans yours at rs
Shaun
Shaun it that Boolean code for "Frans your rat arsed"
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Nigel
Having a dual wanding machine puts a totally different slant on things and clearly if used to anything like it's capacity must be in another league altogether.
Don't imagine there are too many such set u ps in the entire country.............
Think Simon has one and possibly the American guy, Dave from Liahona.
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I have a Maxx 470 dual operator, must confess i have not used the option.
Powerful machine, but not as much as Nigels Blueline or Simons Titan
Andrew
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Nigel
Having a dual wanding machine puts a totally different slant on things and clearly if used to anything like it's capacity must be in another league altogether.
Don't imagine there are too many such set u ps in the entire country.............
Think Simon has one and possibly the American guy, Dave from Liahona.
Robert,
I've got the Titan 875 which is 60% more powerful than the maxx 470 / Titan 575 and can clean three areas simultaneously with three RX20's, even 18 decks up the side of a cruise ship. We have used 4 RX's on it once. now that's power!!!
The largest carpet we clean is a restaurant on Queen Mary 2, 1650 square yards, cleaning time, 4 hours! :o
Simon
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Carpet Dawg
I think your forgetting to include in your daily costs
van repairs, machine repairs, uniforms, accountant fees, stationery, computer ink, postage, phones, advertising, courses, insurance, etc etc. It does all add up to around £100 a day assuming you work 5 days a week.
The more you make the more you spend to make it.
Mark
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It's a bloody good job that carpet cleaners aren't accountants!!
I prefer Nigel's income
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Carpet Dawg
I think your forgetting to include in your daily costs
van repairs, machine repairs, uniforms, accountant fees, stationery, computer ink, postage, phones, advertising, courses, insurance, etc etc. It does all add up to around £100 a day assuming you work 5 days a week.
The more you make the more you spend to make it.
Mark
Thanks for the reply. I know all my expenses down to the last penny and its no where near £100 a day.
Very little marketing costs and using a porty helps too. And I work 6 days a week.
And believe me, i prefer my PROFIT way better! ;) ;)
Regards
Tony
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So your more your more profitable than Nigel W are you?
You must be the new most successful c/cer in the UK.
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Forum sheep I tell ya!
Dont over analyse everything that is written.
Do you know the in's and outs of my set up? do you know the in's and outs of Nigels set upways? I don't, i'm sure he's very successful.
Anyways, need to go to work now. Laters.
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My outgoings are nowhere near £100 per
day either :o
No accountant fees for a start.
John
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I know all my expenses down to the last penny
Spoken like a true Scot ;D
Mr.Generous
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but I bet that you know all of yours down to the last hapeny Shaun...... :P
Remember the Scots are canny with money..... :o
Us Yorkies are just tight ;D ;D ;D ;D
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I haven't seen a halfpenny for years (I've hidden them all away)
Shaun
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I know all my expenses down to the last penny
Spoken like a true Scot ;D
Mr.Generous
;D
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Nigel
Having a dual wanding machine puts a totally different slant on things and clearly if used to anything like it's capacity must be in another league altogether.
Don't imagine there are too many such set u ps in the entire country.............
Think Simon has one and possibly the American guy, Dave from Liahona.
Robert,
Where have you been there are loads of true dual wand set set ups out there. I have the exact same set up as Nigel and many more have from Alltec. Then theres the Hydramaster guys, too many to count and others with other makes.
Don't worry about Nigel going for less jobs but with a higher ticket value, his business is sound and will never struggle for quality work.
Dave.