Clean It Up
UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: Pope vader on November 29, 2011, 12:01:39 pm
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need your advice, getting bored with business, as work on own a lot, got mate who use to be a window cleaner, but had to jack due to ex wife, anyway he at the moment is working for his dad for £180 a week for a 50 hour week, so is looking to get out, i want to get some one decent after xmas, as it gives me the drive to work more, as currently i earn enough for me to live, but want to get bigger, but am stopping my self from as sick of the idiots who come for jobs, i have had this lad in before last year and he is ok prob best of the crap i had in, (didnt take him on as he went out on his own)
what do you guys think i should do, just go for it employ and get him knocking as well for first few months, or offer partnership and expand the business that way, this way if cash flow low dont have to pay wages, just half of what we got in
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Employ as why give half away just be prepared to work in all weather. Lowish basic with bonus on top so if crap week then paying less in wages.
Also get him knocking or as you will be getting through the work quicker you will have empty days so chance for you to canvass.
Maybe employ him part time until ur business bigger.
Im currently having a sort out of my work load and selling a chunk off in an area Im pulling out of - no problem with area just want to concentrate closer to home then will be employing part time van lad to get thru remaining work quicker and then get some canvassing done with the emphasis on quality residential and smallish commercial stuff
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Business partner is a no no unless he brings something to the table like a lump of cash. If you made him your buisness partner you would loose half of your business straight away.
Employ on min wage with bonus like Ian said
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Get yer Mrs out wid u son
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i would get my misses out, but she knackered from her part time job lol,
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i would get my misses out, but she knackered from her part time job lol,
Does she earn herself £30 per hour at her job?
Maybe time for a rethink,me and my Mrs work about 16 hours a week and we get a good return.
In this game the sky is the limit as regards what you want from it.
Work alone
Work with a partner (not good unless its the Mrs)
Build up and employ, 1, 2, 3, 4, or multitudes of workers
Your the boss,its up to you
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no she doesnt, but like her job, been trying to get her out with me but wont, might do odd day but other than that, not intrested
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If you could find someone who was willing to invest and had a lot of drive and ambition, it could really make the difference to your business.
Re employment, you have to kiss a few frogs and all that to find a good one, and then unless you look after them, they will set up on their own. Frustrating isn't it.
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http://www.ianlancasterwindowcleaner.co.uk/index.php
this guy got it sussed I think
he dont employ but kinda of franchises it
anyone got a copy of the talk he gave at a window cleaning show a few years back ?
used to have a link to it but lost it
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i wouldnt let him door knock or canvass as he will know how to do everything and especially if he finds an untouched gold area of streets he might then likely leave .
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Employ - not business partner.
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i wouldnt let him door knock or canvass as he will know how to do everything and especially if he finds an untouched gold area of streets he might then likely leave .
thought of this, but one of the reason he jacked in was ex wife and fact he could cope with being self employed, he is one of those people who need to be employed
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EMPLOY!! IVE JUST SPLIT WITH MY SO CALLED BUSINESS PARTNER. never again will i go down that route. No one will do it as good as you will. build it yourself mate ;)
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I'm with the employ. you can make it worth his while with bonus etc. if he's a good un then there's your motivation to get out there, without parting with half of what you've built up.
defo..... Good luck Colin :)
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All depends on what your business plan says if your going to continue to stay small under vat ya prob best employing if you have larger plans maybe it could be worth partnering up as when it comes to business loans etc 2 people have better chance etc unless limited sit down and do skills tests etc and see if they compliment each other
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What ever you do, DO NOT have him as a business partner.
Apart from the tax complications, it'll never work in the long run. It'll come down to who dominates. Up untill that point things will be fine but in the end, one partner will try to dominate the other and thats when the friction starts. I've been down that path twice and you'd have thought I'd have learnt from the first time.
One thriving successfull business down the pan and one that had real promise both gone up in smoke.
The end question which will blow the business apart will be ' who's business is it? Believe me, it will come down to that after loads of silent and unspoken differences of opinion of how it should all be run and who does the most work.
But.... it'll all be rosy for maybe the first few years. You'll be good friends, have good ideas, drinks on a Friday night etc but underneath it all...... I look back and now think it was all there right at the start but I didn't see it.
Do it as the boss or not at all.
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i wouldnt let him door knock or canvass as he will know how to do everything and especially if he finds an untouched gold area of streets he might then likely leave .
thought of this, but one of the reason he jacked in was ex wife and fact he could cope with being self employed, he is one of those people who need to be employed
Then you have already answered your own question :)
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i have had this lad in before last year and he is ok prob best of the crap i had in,
Does that one statement not answer your own question!!!!
"Best of the crap" and you are considering taking him on as a business partner?
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yea its either that or get out the business, its getting to the point where i can go out the door in the morning as the jobs bores me, when i got some one in i seem to be able to get up and get out, but when on own i cant be bothered, i have bought new van, got more work, dont mind knocking, just window cleaning bores me to death
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And which stimulating job are you considering doing after window cleaning?
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i have no idea matt, think its just a phase, sometimes find this job very boring, too much other crap going on
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i have no idea matt, think its just a phase, sometimes find this job very boring, too much other crap going on
What job isn't boring from time to time?
I think on another thread you said you were having 2.5 weeks off over the Christmas period?
You can recouperate in that time........if you were employed I doubt you would get this time off ;D ;D
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Window cleaning can be boring especially if you work full time.cant you just do a 4 day week and start at 9am and finish at 3 or 4pm?
I don't need an employee to get me motivated I can do that myself!bills to pay and the fact I like making money!also I like bein out in the fresh air and seeing my customers.
Don't be a fool and resort to a partnership!trust me it won't make it any better!
Maybe your just suffering from a bit of low motivation!take a few days off!always works for me!
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If he ready to invest money in the business then definitely partner. Otherwise Employ.
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cheers guys, think i am going to go out knocking today, whilst the strike is on, get the work do and then have a rest over xmas
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What ever you do, DO NOT have him as a business partner.
Apart from the tax complications, it'll never work in the long run. It'll come down to who dominates. Up untill that point things will be fine but in the end, one partner will try to dominate the other and thats when the friction starts. I've been down that path twice and you'd have thought I'd have learnt from the first time.
One thriving successfull business down the pan and one that had real promise both gone up in smoke.
The end question which will blow the business apart will be ' who's business is it? Believe me, it will come down to that after loads of silent and unspoken differences of opinion of how it should all be run and who does the most work.
But.... it'll all be rosy for maybe the first few years. You'll be good friends, have good ideas, drinks on a Friday night etc but underneath it all...... I look back and now think it was all there right at the start but I didn't see it.
Do it as the boss or not at all.
What Ross said - especially the bit in red - in a previous life - office equipment - there were four of us then three cuz we fired one for having his hand in the till. One of the three was a really nice guy who was incompetant the other two of us wanted to take the business in different directions. It was hell for about two years (tied in with loans etc) and in the end I resigned after eight years. My house was still supporting the company bank loans for 18 months after I left! :o :o :o
I do admit a slight "non-zen, non-christian" feeling of grim satisfaction of learning that the business had gone into receivership two years later.
Anyway - like I said EMPLOY!
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id say take him on just a few days plus take on another lad for the rest. that way theyll both be fresh to do their work, also neither will try to get dominant because being parttime they wont know the whole story . one of my lads is a dominant and i bet dollars- to -donuts he would try to lever himself into the cushy jobs but he cant,not with being parttime .
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NEVER EVER take on a business partner, and certainly not because you are bored. Worse than a bad marriage espescially when it goes wrong.
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employ employ employ
I say again employ!
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NEVER EVER take on a business partner, and certainly not because you are bored. Worse than a bad marriage espescially when it goes wrong.
;D ;D but so true