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UK Floor Cleaning Forum => Carpet Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: Carl Anderson on November 20, 2011, 01:01:50 am
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hi,
Ive recently purchased a few quids worth of chemicals for my new start up venture.
My question is, do you have to strictly adhere to the recomendations on the boxes ie if te instructions say use a certain product with this product is it just for their own up sales or something i need to stick to strictly?
Also do i risk damage mixing certain cemicals ie prespray with extactor chemicals combos
I am booked on with the ncca next week but would like a head start.
This is what ive bought:
Crystal green
Power Burst
Prespray gold
Fibresafe gold
Citrus gel
Solvex
Coffee Stain Remover
Citraboost
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Most chems not wise to mix and prochem chems are quite potent so stick to recomendations for dilution. You can add C. Boost to prespray tho.
You will get more detailed answers on the course. ;D
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This is what ive bought:
Crystal green
Power Burst
Prespray gold
Fibresafe gold
Citrus gel
Solvex
Coffee Stain Remover
Citraboost
That should cover all bases as far as carpet cleaning goes. You might want to get some B109 Fibre & Fabric Rinse with your next order should you decide to tackle rugs or upholstery or use powerburst on trashed wool. Stick with the recommendations on that lot Prochem products are nicely packaged with colour coded labels and liquids/powders to coincide with their pH. You will learn the importance of pH on your NCCA course. If you don't understand how it works listen closely. Once you fully understand it you can solve most soiling problems by correctly choosing the right products from your arsenal.. Especially with Crystal Green as overdosing that stuff can sometimes lead to pump problems if left sitting in the machine. A good flush through with some hot water, even with some fibre & fabric rinse will keep your system healthy.
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As above + some prochem chems can be mixed , prochem course supplies compatability sheet may be able to source this via your supplier.
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Carl,
It doesn't like you know what you are doing and if that is the case you should be aware that you can do an awful lot of damage very quickly by not knowing what you are doing. Do the Prochem training course, it is easily the best and then knowing a bit more of what you're doing venture out and work in customers homes.
Simon
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I'm not venturing into people's homes til I've done my course don't worry. Going to do a few courses throughout the year. Was just attempting to gain a bit of knowledge prior to going on any courses. Thanks for your replies.
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Best advice i can give you is to ignore alot of the panic mongers on here cause thats all they are. Have you ever cleaned a car before? Lol good chance its worth alot more than someones dirty carpet did you think oh no i best take a course before i attempt cleaning it? NO lmao after all its just a carpet and its very easy to clean one. If you listened to alot of the people on here you would think you were attempting brain surgery well you aint its just cleaning carpets. Im a new starter and though ive only spent a couple of grand on equipment i always do a good job i never leave a customers home thinking ive let them down if you have pride in your work even if it takes you a bit longer to do the job sometimes do your best and you should get it right. Give it a go mate if you really go for it you wont regret it.
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Gaz
Treatment risk insurance can be invalid if you cant prove you are competent to carry out the work
if you dont have this insurance you could be liable for any damage you cause
Jim
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Hi guys
Carl one of the most important things is to stick to the recommended dilutions and do not over wet.
CC is more complex than some make it but rocket science it is not.
Good luck.
Doug
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Best advice i can give you is to ignore alot of the panic mongers on here cause thats all they are. Have you ever cleaned a car before? Lol good chance its worth alot more than someones dirty carpet did you think oh no i best take a course before i attempt cleaning it? NO lmao after all its just a carpet and its very easy to clean one. If you listened to alot of the people on here you would think you were attempting brain surgery well you aint its just cleaning carpets. Im a new starter and though ive only spent a couple of grand on equipment i always do a good job i never leave a customers home thinking ive let them down if you have pride in your work even if it takes you a bit longer to do the job sometimes do your best and you should get it right. Give it a go mate if you really go for it you wont regret it.
With respect you are confusing professionalism with scare mongering. Any self respeting professional person, especially one hoping to build a long term relationship with a customer should know what he is doing. The day you screw something up and end up having to replace a couple of grands worth of carpet, as a carpet cleaner near me had to do recently, is the day you may wish you'd took the training and not been so flippant.
Simon
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Well said Simon
Gaz... where did that post come from ??? Carl was asking about chems / concentrations and you come up with that post eh .. guys on here are giving advice not scare mongering.
Have you done any training ??? ???
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ive done some training but not what you lot are all talking about. (ie paying someone to show me) i mean going round all my friends and family. And my friends family's. and reading up on here and various other websites. plus using chemicals at there recommended dosages. its still training the best way you learn is by doing the job
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Carl,
It doesn't like you know what you are doing
Simon
Thats where my comment came from and its that sort of attitude i dont like because he asked a question about chems and thats the sort of attitude he gets.
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Best advice i can give you is to ignore alot of the panic mongers on here cause thats all they are. Have you ever cleaned a car before? Lol good chance its worth alot more than someones dirty carpet did you think oh no i best take a course before i attempt cleaning it? NO lmao after all its just a carpet and its very easy to clean one. If you listened to alot of the people on here you would think you were attempting brain surgery well you aint its just cleaning carpets. Im a new starter and though ive only spent a couple of grand on equipment i always do a good job i never leave a customers home thinking ive let them down if you have pride in your work even if it takes you a bit longer to do the job sometimes do your best and you should get it right. Give it a go mate if you really go for it you wont regret it.
what a stupid comparison, are you saying a car can shrink?
i can just see it now on the car cleaning forum, "help, ive just cleaned a peugeot 306 and over wet it and its now a peogeot 206, do you know a mechanic who can stratch it back into a 306, should i wait til its dry first" ;D ;D ;D
different things clean differently, cleaning a million pound painting isn't rocket science but i certainly wouldn't use cilit bang and a duster. basic training is all we usually state on here, its the guys that aren't trained that exaggerate us and make out we think its rocket science, far from it but common sense says get some basic training.
enjoy the ncca course, it will tell you all you need to know to get started. as for mixing!!! theres no real need to mix, and if there is, it usually says so on the container what it can be mixed with. good luck.
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If you want to mix chemicals they you want to increase or decrease ph or 'strength' or kill 2 birds with 1 stone.....eg: clean & deodorise simultaneously
I find most chemical instruction labels have a comprehensive guide to what they can be mixed with...... so unless it say it on the label for now don't mix them
Prochem used to Colour co-ordinate their labels to aid their mixing.... I don't know if they still do
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the point im making is not that i think training is a waste of time cause its not as i did joinery for 8 years and i know its important. but however its not the be all and end all don't give everyone the impression that you cant A: cant clean a carpet without it B: you cant learn it yourself cause you can C: without it your business will fail
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Part of the attraction for me was being able to take more risks because you understand what the outcome is likely to be, otherwise I'd be cleaning everything with prespray gold, and acid rinsing at 40 degress just to play it safe.
So its not just about knowing what you can do wrong, but what you can do right (if that makes sense).
Anyway, the whole discussion is obsolete cos the poor bloke has already stated that he's booked on a course.
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Carl,
It doesn't like you know what you are doing
Simon
Thats where my comment came from and its that sort of attitude i dont like because he asked a question about chems and thats the sort of attitude he gets.
Sorry but his attitude is spot on and thats not his full post - you have simply taken a snippet of his post.
Following on from your posts ..I think you have mistaken 'training' with 'practicing'!
As you havent done any training.... wonder what your customers would think if they new that and what insurance do you have ?
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practising - training exactly the same thing when you learnt to ride a bike as a child you would practice until you got it right (its the same thing) mike
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and i do have insurance mike i aint that daft
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and honestly i wonder how many of you and i mean truthfully no bull here guys? did the training courses before they first cleaned a carpet.
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Hi Guys
The training in CC is basic with topics touched on, such as pH but with little understanding of the efffect of say buffering, type of scale etc.
Common sense and reading the instructions are very important but also understanding what can go wrong is just as important and this is where training can be quite useful.
Cheers
Doug
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All you can say, mate, is that you have 'got away with it' - so far! What should trouble you is that there are a lot of things about carpet cleaning that you clearly do not know and one day it will come clattering home to you when you make an expensive mistake that a training course could have helped you avoid. For the majority of us it is important to us to know that we have done the training, got the knowledge and can hold our heads up high knowing we are professional carpet cleaners and not simply wannabe's.
Simon
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practising - training exactly the same thing when you learnt to ride a bike as a child you would practice until you got it right (its the same thing) mike
wow what ??? ??? er .. no its certainly not the same thing !! ::) ::)
In cleaning there are a lot of aspects you can cover where training is not available ie pressure washing... However big however with carpet cleaning there is that opportunity with courses available so why why not take it ??? ???
It then gives you a head start surely ??? Any way up to you
Ps if the insurance is for treatments risk.... worth **** all as you have not been trained , but have practiced ;D ;D you explain that to your insurance company.
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Carl wish all the best
This to me highlights why cc as a 'trade' is dying.... any 'body' can buy a machine and advertise as a professional simple
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Haha guys its just carpet cleaning any of you got a gnvq in carpet cleaning? NO there aint one thats cause it doesnt require one simples its not recognised as a trade that requires it. Carpet cleaning associations most of them all require that youve got insurance? Easy.
a machine at a certain level of psi and suction power of a certain level? Easy.
Oh and that youve attended a couple of courses which would tale a few days lol all sound a bit to easy guys?
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Hi Guys
Mike who says it's dying we have always had a completely unregulated market and those running the best businesses will prosper.
Cheers
Doug
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We got a call from a customer recently asking for advice. She's had her carpets cleaned by a local company, but the carpets had been wet for days and had begun to smell - badly. She rang the guy, who couldn't possibly have had any training, and he went back and re-cleaned the carpets. Same problem, sodden carpets but the smell was a lot worse. The guy went back again and re-cleaned the carpets AGAIN telling the customer he'd used another 100 litres of water and this should fix the problem.
In the end the smell was so bad they had to cut the bedroom carpet out and move out for a few days. We leant her a fan and the carpets dried. We then santized and cleaned them - properly.
The carpet cleaner involved had to pay for a new, very large bedroom carpet, the cost of up take and removal of the old one, the customer's hotel expenses and our bill. If he had know what he was doing he wouldn't have made the basic mistake he made on the first, or subsequent visits, or had all of that grief, or the expense. Maybe he just hadn't practised hard enough ;D ;D
Simon
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Well the guy who cleaned her carpets was a bleedin idiot i dont think that had much to do with training more to do with common sense if you aint got none youve got no chance lol
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The point being you can walk headlong into a problem that you have no knowledge of until you have an irrate customer on the phone. You've just been licky, so far and to think anything else belittles you as a supposed professional which is what you claim to be on your website.
Simon
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Simon while i dont doubt for one minute that your good at what you do and the advice you give is great im not even saying training is a bad thing cause its not but like i said its not the be all and end all all of my customers so far have been very happy with the work ive done and thats because ive got common sense and i dont leave a customers until im satisfied and believe me ive high standards simon dont think for one minute cause youve attended some courses that your standards are any better thank mine.
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Gary,
But with the best will in the world, you don't know what you are doing, you only think you do. You have no idea what to look out for, what to avoid, what not to do, or do in certain situations and that is like playing Russian roulette with both your reputation and your wallet. And for all you say it's simply about common sense, it's not, the simple things are, but the things that could cost you money are not. But perhaps you have to learn that lesson all by yourself. If you were a professional at heart you would set aside your arrogance and do the training - you never know, you might learn something that could make you even better than you think you are - professionals have that level of personal commitment. Question is, are you a professional, or a know it all amateur?
Simon
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Simon when you started out did you do the courses before you cleaned a carpet? Truthfully?
Simon its not a proper professional trade all youve got to do is clean the bloody carpet. At the end of the job if its clean smells good and its not soaking wet or missing a few inches youve succeded END OF thats all youve got to do. The same applies to all types of cleaning youre there to clean something wether its a car, plate, clothes, windows,
Stop kidding yourself into thinking it something it aint.
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You're an amateur mate and something of a joke too, so I'm out of here.
Simon
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Simon you didnt answer my question about the courses? I take that as a no then
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Yes, I did do the training courses before starting live cleaning in customers properties. I also did not just one but many course on different aspects of the business because unlike the amateurs the professionals know that you're only ever as good as you know your basics.
Simon
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At Superclean Carpets we are passionate about giving our customers the best possible service
You cannot say you are doing that until you have been on Courses with the industries top trainers.
You will pick up tips on what is the best possible service.
From places like his you will learn little additions , for instance run your pipes across dust sheets not customers carpets
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I did'nt think Rug Dr's had hose Mike ... ;D ;D
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You know what guys you really must think this carpet cleaning lark is something special it aint training courses are good for whatever your gonna do but it doesnt guarantee that your gonna be good or bad at it wether you do them or not.
There are plenty of people who go to college or uni learning something for years and years and it still doesnt mean there gonna be any better than someone who hasnt. And i know that for a fact i did joinery for 8 years learnt my trade luckily i managed to get a job with a joiner aswell as go to college at the same time and honestly im good at it but ive seen many who have come straight from college and havent got a bloody clue could barely use a hammer or saw in a straight line. And they went to college for 3 years not a 3 day course
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yes it is just common sense, and common sense tells you to go on a course and learn the basics. really can't get my head round the fact that practicing on someone elses carpet is common sense. ??? ??? ???
and yes, did the prochem 2 day in november 2006, then 2 day ncca in feb (i think) then start my business in april 2007. common sense really. done at least 2 courses every year since and got a few more planned for 2012, all part of my common sense to running a cleaning business.
so much more to learn, turned an analine job down last week, suppose i could of had a go, just cleaning after all.
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Derek,
He probably thinks analine is some kind of cheap not frills analogue telephone service ;D only common sense really ;D ;D ;D
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Simon when you started out did you do the courses before you cleaned a carpet? Truthfully?
Simon its not a proper professional trade all youve got to do is clean the bloody carpet. At the end of the job if its clean smells good and its not soaking wet or missing a few inches youve succeded END OF thats all youve got to do. The same applies to all types of cleaning youre there to clean something wether its a car, plate, clothes, windows,
Stop kidding yourself into thinking it something it aint.
Wish your customers could see that quote - what a joker
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i'm sure he's a nice enough guy, i just have to defend basic training, its obviously not for him but to advise other newbies not to take that route is wrong, maybe he can pay there excess if it all goes teets up if they get unlucky on there first job.
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They say there is one in every village; this one is in Cannock ;D ;D commonsensical really ;D
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Simon when you started out did you do the courses before you cleaned a carpet? Truthfully?
Simon its not a proper professional trade all youve got to do is clean the bloody carpet. At the end of the job if its clean smells good and its not soaking wet or missing a few inches youve succeded END OF thats all youve got to do. The same applies to all types of cleaning youre there to clean something wether its a car, plate, clothes, windows,
Stop kidding yourself into thinking it something it aint.
Wish your customers could see that quote - what a joker
well come on what else have you got to do to the carpet spray it with gold. do a little dance on it after youve finished. bless the bloody thing.
NO youve just go to clean it guys nothing else get it
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You know what guys you really must think this carpet cleaning lark is something special it aint training courses are good for whatever your gonna do but it doesnt guarantee that your gonna be good or bad at it wether you do them or not.
There are plenty of people who go to college or uni learning something for years and years and it still doesnt mean there gonna be any better than someone who hasnt. And i know that for a fact i did joinery for 8 years learnt my trade luckily i managed to get a job with a joiner aswell as go to college at the same time and honestly im good at it but ive seen many who have come straight from college and havent got a bloody clue could barely use a hammer or saw in a straight line. And they went to college for 3 years not a 3 day course
I would say that training helps make you better at what you do, it gives you a greater depth of understanding.
You seem to think you know enough to get by, but the truth is that you won't ever know what you are lacking without some form of formal training. This will either confirm your self taught expertise or maybe help you to realise that there was a bit that you didn'y know / understand.
You seem intent on ruffling a few feathers which I find hard to understand as by your own admission you have clearly benefitted from advice taken from those on this forum.
Why are you no longer in joinery?
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Its not that ian its the fact that there are a few on here who really believe that if you aint done a course you cant clean a carpet or if you aint spent over ten grand on a machine your not gonna do a good job.
And its just totally wrong!
Im not against going on these courses and i will be attending a couple in the new year.
But the way some people are put off the idea of starting a carpet cleaning business on here is bang out of order.
Same goes with the few on here who call everyone whos done groupon marketing deals amatuers (i wouldnt touch groupon with a barge pole)
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Gaz
When you try to get your point across to people like Simon and some others you are in all honesty on a hidding to nothing because he/they wont back down or concede that they could be wrong or appreciate another point of view.
I have trained many individuals in my working life ( as I am sure have many others) in many different tasks, everyone is different and I can say that in my opinion that training is important BUT common sense is invaluable. You are probably right that you could train a monkey in the basics of carpet cleaning and send him out to clean carpets but if the monkey lacks the ability to learn from practice and realise and correct his own mistakes to improve his work then the initial training is pointless.
The person that cleaned and wrecked the carpets that Simon talks about could have been on every training course in the country, the fact that he lacked the ability to realise his mistakes would therefore have nothing to do with his training BUT his ability.
Tony
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and then assume there gonna do a bad job because there on groupon its bang out of order to be throwing presumtions around like that.
I stopped doing joinery 3 years ago at the time it was hard to get constant work month to month i still do a bit now
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Hi Guys
We use this term training loosely, it does depend on who trains and on what basis.
There is absolutely no better way than training on the job with an experienced CC or at least having one on the end of the telephone.
Courses where 15 or more do very basic training will be limited.
Cheers
Doug
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Douglas,
You've changed your view. When you were pushing the Clean project you were insisting that all new members complete your training course. Now you 're saying you can do it as part of a ride along, make your mind up.
Simon
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slightly of topic but I wonder how much training a Chemdry franchise owner receives before going out alone to clean carpets.
no matter what we think of chemdry i do think they are big enough to have a full system in place to train their franchisees, I actually drive past their 'school of excellence' every morning. I don't think they would allow some one to clean under their name with out being sure they are fully trained.
hopefully Jason will see this post and let us know..... but i think i was once told it was a 2 week residential course. if this is the case then they receive 5 times the training the NCCA members receive before being told they can go out and professionally clean carpets
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All I would say to Carl is to get as much training as you can afford to , see the way that as many different people as posible work and see as many different types of machinery in action as you can. The 1st people to introduce me to carpet cleaning had very little knowlege of the industry, they had crap machinery and no technical knowledge at all. They did however not realise this themselves and in their minds they were a competent , proffessional organisation. These opinions were made out of total ignorance, they were a total bunch of cowboys and if they did not have the answer or could not remove a stain they would "flannel" the customer.
The standard of cleaning that I started to do was a totally diferent standard to them, there was no comparison. Improvements and investment in equipment has also improved the standard of the cleaning that I now do. I do not have the best machinery but personal pride in what I do is constantly pushing me to improve what I have. The most improtant thing is knowing which advice to take and which advice is not worth a t*ss.........
Good luck
Peter
www.carpetcleanercardiff.com (http://www.carpetcleanercardiff.com)
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I stopped doing joinery 3 years ago at the time it was hard to get constant work month to month i still do a bit now
...and you spent 8 years at it as well as going to college???? :o Good joiners have no problem in getting constant work & can make a very decent living from it. Same applies to good carpet cleaners who know what they are doing. If your approach is that there ain't much to this business - then I reckon you won't last even half the time you lasted in the joinery business
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When you try to get your point across to people like Simon and some others you are in all honesty on a hidding to nothing because he/they wont back down or concede that they could be wrong or appreciate another point of view.
sorry ......... beg to differ there
I have met Simon who was the most anti LM person on this forum at one point,
If you ask him now he is nowhere near as biased against it as he was before, so it just needs a convincing argument and proof, to change his mind.
Common sense really
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but i think i was once told it was a 2 week residential course. if this is the case then they receive 5 times the training the NCCA members receive before being told they can go out and professionally clean carpets
But then it's down to the individual. When doing window cleaning on a property some years ago I arrived there just as CD were leaving.
I was amazed by how wet they had left the sofas and although my equipment at the time couldn't be classed anywhere near to what CD have, I have never before or after that day left a customers suite anywhere near as wet as that one.
2 weeks training.......2 days training.....at the end of the day this business comes with 50% knowledge and 50% common sense
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but i think i was once told it was a 2 week residential course. if this is the case then they receive 5 times the training the NCCA members receive before being told they can go out and professionally clean carpets
But then it's down to the individual. When doing window cleaning on a property some years ago I arrived there just as CD were leaving.
I was amazed by how wet they had left the sofas and although my equipment at the time couldn't be classed anywhere near to what CD have, I have never before or after that day left a customers suite anywhere near as wet as that one.
2 weeks training.......2 days training.....at the end of the day this business comes with 50% knowledge and 50% common sense
We were called in to a nursery after a franchise cleaner had soaked their goat hair floor tiles. We got the rep in with us as the tiles should have been dry or at a push vlm only and we thought the tiles had been wrecked beyond salvage.
We were right and so ended up with no job out of it as the nursery had all carpet tiles replaced with vinyl. Not ideal for a nursery, or us, but after being stung by the national's they didn't want to risk carpet again.
Point is, I wouldn't assume knowledge / quality from anyone.
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sorry ......... beg to differ there
I have met Simon who was the most anti LM person on this forum at one point,
If you ask him now he is nowhere near as biased against it as he was before, so it just needs a convincing argument and proof, to change his mind.
Common sense really
Hector, with the deepest respect, no one asks him to to provide a convincing argument or proof of what he says is right or wrong, its not yours or anyone elses job to convince him (or anyone else) that he may or may not be wrong.
Tony
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Tony,
I've been in this business for 36 years and have learned an awful lot of things along the way. Some of the most important have been the things I learned on training courses. I have over the years changed my view on a lot of things, LM being one of them, micro splitters another and yes, some of my views have been born of ignorance to certain facts of which I was not fully aware because of that ignorance.
I would not have the business I have today, or my family the benefits they have enjoyed because of it had it not been for the training I did back in the beginning. I consider myself a professional carpet cleaner and professionals in any job spare no effort to try their utmost to be the best they can be in their chosen profession. Being the best is of course a journey and not a destination. With the benefits that have come to me through my efforts you would hardly expect me to not to recommend as ardently as I do in the need for training. Just because I won't change my view when challenged doesn't make it wrong, I just means I believe in something that others don't, so what?
Simon
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Can't resist
There are thousands of joiners out of work along with many thousands more from the building trades and anyone who is not aware of that is living under a rock.
I've done a great deal of training in my life and always pitched at a higher level of training than the required standard. That mean't my trainees became BETTER trained than average BUT never guaranteed they would retain the standards or allow them to drop in their day to day lives.
Training is fine for theory and knowledge but in any PRACTICAL skill experience rules.
Basic training PREPARES you for the practical tasks along with DEMONSTRATIONS followed by PRACTISING the tasks under supervision. After that you need lots of EXPERIENCE and COMMON SENSE allied to CAUTION.
Like many others on here I started with ZERO training but loads of common sense and a fair measure of caution. Just reading and paying attention to labels can be very educational.
Many others on here started with LOADS of training and falsely believe themselves to be better equipped and more PROFESSIONAL just because they've got the certificates.
A blatant ERROR in this THINKING and ACCEPTANCE OF THIS BELIEF was highlighted within the past few days when it came to light that ; -
A " MODERN" MANAGER WITH " PAPER CREDENTIALS WAS DIRECTLY RESPONSIBLE FOR THE DEATH OF A YOUNG FEMALE WHO WAS TRAPPED ABOUT 30 FEET DOWN an old mining shaft which collapsed beneath her.
When a fire crew arrived and the experienced guys quickly assessed the situation and got ready to rescue the young lady.............THEY WERE PREVENTED FROM DOING SO by a Senior Officer who it transpired had VERY LITTLE EXPERIENCE BUT loads of certificates.
The young lady was left down the hole for EIGHT HOURS and on eventually being pulled up she DIED .....NOT FROM INJURIES. iT WAS STATED THAT SHE WOULD HAVE SURVIVED HAD SHE BEEN RESCUED BY THE EXPERIENCED PEOPLE WHO KNEW THEIR JOB.
Not intended as an analogy which it's not but there's a message in there.
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I stopped doing joinery 3 years ago at the time it was hard to get constant work month to month i still do a bit now
...and you spent 8 years at it as well as going to college???? :o Good joiners have no problem in getting constant work & can make a very decent living from it. Same applies to good carpet cleaners who know what they are doing. If your approach is that there ain't much to this business - then I reckon you won't last even half the time you lasted in the joinery business
Elliot you're talking out your arse mate big time I've worked with some amazing joiners proper craftsmen with 30 years+ experience and 3 years ago even they were struggling so put a sock in it mate
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Gary, more experienced guys are giving advice here or stating their point of view throuh years of experience.
You on the other hand have very little experience on cleaning as your very new to this game.
Here is a quote from you from 2009 on the window cleaning section when you first started cleaning windows.
has anyone ever tried Cif cleaner formally known as Jif it's a bit expensive to use all of the time but wondered if it would damage pvc?
I think you need the sock mate ;)
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. iT WAS STATED THAT SHE WOULD HAVE SURVIVED HAD SHE BEEN RESCUED BY THE EXPERIENCED PEOPLE WHO KNEW THEIR JOB.
Not intended as an analogy which it's not but there's a message in there.
And anyone who has served any length of time in the army will know this analogy.
The number of cock ups I witnessed because the Officer with degrees and 12 months at Sandhurst thought he knew better than the simple squaddie with zero qualifications but 3 years army experience.
I once saw a bridge disappear into the River Medway because the Officer wouldn't listen to the Corporal about not putting anymore sections on until it had been balanced correctly. Whilst the splash was impressive I'm sure it was the end of one persons career.
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Gary, more experienced guys are giving advice here or stating their point of view throuh years of experience.
You on the other hand have very little experience on cleaning as your very new to this game.
Here is a quote from you from 2009 on the window cleaning section when you first started cleaning windows.
has anyone ever tried Cif cleaner formally known as Jif it's a bit expensive to use all of the time but wondered if it would damage pvc?
Paul moss WTF are you talking about like i said I was a joiner that also involved fitting windows. It's well known in the building trade that alot of window fitters use cream cleaner (cif) to clean the PVC that's the plastic bit Paul not the glass ya numpty. I wanted to know if it was safe to use it.
I think you need the sock mate ;)
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Gaz
You should be flattered , he took the time to go through your posts to try and discredit you!! How bizarre is that!!!
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Hi Guys
My vision as Technical Director of Clean was to set up really meaningful training which was both in depth and ongoing and I still believe this is the best way forward.
Whether this is done by class room based, reading based , practical demonstrations and of course experience or all of these is obviously open to debate.
It's always much easier to knock and some are experts at it!
Cheers
Doug
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I think you've covered the basic requirements Doug for practical skills which is essentially what carpet cleaning is.
Tell them what you want them to do..
Show them how to do it...
Get them to do it..
Ensure learning has taken place by checking results....
Get them to show their skills again and appraise...
Or repeat all of the above until the required standard is achieved.
There are around 12 established training providers around the UK who could deliver a course after getting it approved by the appropriate accreditation board
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Gaz
You should be flattered , he took the time to go through your posts to try and discredit you!! How bizarre is that!!!
why is that bizarre ? It allows you to find out who ur talking to via previous posts.....what i find bizarre is Gaz has been carpet cleaning less than 2 mths ;D ;D yet he is now giving advice ;D ;D hence this stupid debate about training ::)
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No, what is bizzare is that I've just dedicated the last 20 minutes of my life reading through this sh*t !!
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No, what is bizzare is that I've just dedicated the last 20 minutes of my life reading through this sh*t !!
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Wow!
This as one slightly off topic hasnt it? All i was basically asking was for any dangers to look out for with the combo of chemicals i have purchased such as is using powerburst pre spray safe to use with a crystal green extractor chemical for example?
I will be sticking strictly to the dilution directions of course was just wondering if any of the chemicals mentioned combined (not in the same machine or sprayer) would be ill advised.
To the gent that said it doesnt sound like you know what you are doing i took no offence and to a small degree you are probably correct. It is my decision to get as much training as possible because i at least want to be competing with my local competitors and if it gives me a slight edge over those that havent then it will be a good investment. I also agree however that gettin out there and gettin hands on experience is invaluable, im sure i willl come across situations that wont be taught to me in a classroom when im out and about so gainin that experience to deal with such circumstances will be essential.
I am doing probably 10-20 jobs in december and early january for friends and family but have told them all to be patient because i will need to gain some more knowlede prior to cleaning professionally for them. The last thing i want to do is cause damage to friends and families carpets.
I have public liabilty insurance as of the 1st of december and am looking forward to my course and gettin out into the real world in 2012.
P.s the bickering is quite amusing ::)
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Carl, with respect you will need treatment risks on your ins to cover you for what your working on. Very important. You dont want to be sued for say a leaky hose on a massive commercial job say a hotel carpet.
As regards car carpet its almost bullet proof with it's construction, where as carpets can be a minefield.
For instance Belgian Wilton or sisal woven with fibres with horizontal yarns.
Best advice get to every course you can.
Good luck in your new venture
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and honestly i wonder how many of you and i mean truthfully no bull here guys? did the training courses before they first cleaned a carpet.
I did the NCCA course plus 2 day spot and stain removal then a rug cleaning course, then spent a day cleaning with Pete Sweeney in Kent and two days cleaning with Pierre de wet near Cambridge both very competent guys before i cleaned any carpet, "honestly"
I agree maybe it isnt rocket science, but stain removal is a science well it is if you are good at it, as has already been said its about being professional and giving the customer a quality service that you can charge accordingly for. you could find yourself burning your bridges somewhat should you make a costly mistake. i always look at every job thinking what can go wrong and a couple of time i have come across a carpet i am certain would have shrunk (crucial trading carpets) if i had not gained the basic knowledge of the dangers that can befall the ignorant.
You sound like you dislike carpet cleaning and would have no pride in what you do, if this is how you feel then your customers will pick up on it, maybe you are just trying to stir things up on the forum, it been done before, but the guys on here can be very useful to running a successful business, and the advice they give and time they give to respond to other carpet cleaners who may at times be quite desperate should not be taken for granted.
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. iT WAS STATED THAT SHE WOULD HAVE SURVIVED HAD SHE BEEN RESCUED BY THE EXPERIENCED PEOPLE WHO KNEW THEIR JOB.
Not intended as an analogy which it's not but there's a message in there.
And anyone who has served any length of time in the army will know this analogy.
The number of cock ups I witnessed because the Officer with degrees and 12 months at Sandhurst thought he knew better than the simple squaddie with zero qualifications but 3 years army experience.
I once saw a bridge disappear into the River Medway because the Officer wouldn't listen to the Corporal about not putting anymore sections on until it had been balanced correctly. Whilst the slash was impressive I'm sure it was the end of one persons career.
Neil
The squaddies had basic training to get them started.
Gaz
It costs £100 for a days training with derek boulton at cleansmart or restoromate as a tradesman who came into the cleaning business I would recommend the 2 days as your insurance might not cover you if you cant prove you are competent to carry out the work you are doing it will also give you access to derek how is a real help if things go wrong dont under estimate this business as it can really bite you and replacing carpets or upholstery is not cheap.
Jim
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And anyone who has served any length of time in the army will know this analogy.
The number of cock ups I witnessed because the Officer with degrees and 12 months at Sandhurst thought he knew better than the simple squaddie with zero qualifications but 3 years army experience.
I once saw a bridge disappear into the River Medway because the Officer wouldn't listen to the Corporal about not putting anymore sections on until it had been balanced correctly. Whilst the splash was impressive I'm sure it was the end of one persons career.
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Off subject (Thank the Lord) but during my 9 year RE, we never had an officer in charge of bridge building it was always a Staff Sergeant in main control with a full Corporal in charge of the build. How does adding more sections make the bridge topple when they are added, land side and not vice versa? Just curious.
Dave.