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UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: easy clean on November 10, 2011, 11:55:54 pm
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Has anybody been on one of these free training courses?
If so what did you think of it......is it worthwhile?
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If you want commercial work it's worth going on-it's a lot of the dos and donts on commercial sites and it is quite enjoyable also you get to meet some really sound people on the course.
Graham
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If you want commercial work it's worth going on-it's a lot of the dos and donts on commercial sites and it is quite enjoyable also you get to meet some really sound people on the course.
Graham
agree
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Totally worthwhile, the more qualifications you can show the more professional you appear. Also it's good to keep moving forward.
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I'm sceptical about these courses. Admittedly I haven't been on one, but its mainly the fully funded part that bothers me. I'm assuming that this funding comes from the government? If i'm wrong i apologise for what i'm about to say. If it is government funded i think that's wrong, if you want to do it you should pay.
I've been on many safety courses, also I have a MEWP licence, FLT as well, toolbox talks, risk assessment etc (the list goes on). I've yet to attend one that when all's said and done doesn't boil down to common sense.
If the governent took a common sense approach to training and safety it would save this country many millions.
If anyone on here either doesn't know or can't work out for themselves how to place a ladder or examine it for defects they really should be looking at doing something else before they get seriously hurt or even worse.
Rant over ;D
Best Wishes
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Hi Guys,
Thanks for the feedback, it's always nice to see!
For anyone who is sceptical about the course, or would like a place, we have opened up a new date in London.
It's on the 28th November, but we do only have 5 spaces left!
Let me know if you want one, or ring Gary in the office on 01205 364333 :)
Cheers,
Tom
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Hi Guys,
Thanks for the feedback, it's always nice to see!
For anyone who is sceptical about the course, or would like a place, we have opened up a new date in London.
It's on the 28th November, but we do only have 5 spaces left!
Let me know if you want one, or ring Gary in the office on 01205 364333 :)
Cheers,
Tom
Just recommended you to Andy at Lodge Environmental - he will contact you soon ;D
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Tom,
Have you any further dates planned for the West country? Exeter, Plymouth or Truro would be good
Dave
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i have been on one of these courses. it was the best thing i have ever done. DG - driving a car requires common sense, but you need a drivers licence....anyway.
i won an award for best newcomer for 2011 candidates, which appeared in the local, and then regional papers gaining me an incredible amount of both domestic and commercial work.
as said already, you meet some good guys, and as someone new to window cleaning (4 years only), i was surprised at just how many tips/tricks i picked up. the chaps that run the corses are very knowledgable, and take the time to answer all your queries. regardless of what i have read on here in the past. the chaps at impact 43 will bend backwards to help you both in and outside of the class rooms that they use.
i would recommend to anybody.
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Hi Guys,
Thanks for the feedback, it's always nice to see!
For anyone who is sceptical about the course, or would like a place, we have opened up a new date in London.
It's on the 28th November, but we do only have 5 spaces left!
Let me know if you want one, or ring Gary in the office on 01205 364333 :)
Cheers,
Tom
Do you offer any courses in N.Ireland?
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We're on the QCF at the minute and would recommend. Whether it's common sense or not Certificates speak volumes.
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Inside Out, I'm not doubting the guys who run the courses aren't good. I just don't think government money should be spent on this type of course. As for needing a driving license, of course that's needed its harder to drive a car than clean a window by anyone's standards and failure can be catastrophic for yourself and others. I'm not against learning but you could have picked these tips up by going out with another WC for a few hours instead of spending weeks on a course.
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Hi Guys,
Thanks for the feedback, it's always nice to see!
For anyone who is sceptical about the course, or would like a place, we have opened up a new date in London.
It's on the 28th November, but we do only have 5 spaces left!
Let me know if you want one, or ring Gary in the office on 01205 364333 :)
Cheers,
Tom
Do you offer any courses in N.Ireland?
Hi MWC,
I'm afraid our funding only covers England at the moment.
But I will put you down on the system, just in case anything changes :)
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Tom,
Have you any further dates planned for the West country? Exeter, Plymouth or Truro would be good
Dave
Hi Dave,
We have just finished filling all of our 14 courses!
We did have dates in Bristol, but they filled ridiculously fast as we don't really get down there often!
As with MWC, I will put you on the system for when we get some more funding (hopefully).
:)
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Thanks Tom,
I know Archer Window Cleaning (Family) has attended your courses and i've now moved over here.
Darren @ MWC
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Inside Out, I'm not doubting the guys who run the courses aren't good. I just don't think government money should be spent on this type of course. As for needing a driving license, of course that's needed its harder to drive a car than clean a window by anyone's standards and failure can be catastrophic for yourself and others. I'm not against learning but you could have picked these tips up by going out with another WC for a few hours instead of spending weeks on a course.
Hi Guys,
Really appreciate all of your comments....thank you!
DG Cleaning
I cannot argue with your point about how our country spends its money as what you have said is your opinion and you are entitled to it.
I think the point Inside Out is making is that you could go out with a local window cleaner who has been cleaning for 20 years + and although you would hugely benefit from this, you may pick up some very bad/potentially dangerous working practices.
The same if you was learning to drive and went out with your mum/dad, you would not have the key 'bad habit' points picked out by them, where as a professional driving instructor would pick these out and correct you in preparation for your driving test.
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Hi David, I don't doubt you're doing a decent job but rightly or wrongly I regard window cleaning as a fairly simple job. I can't use learning to drive as a valid comparison as its more difficult. To echo my original point if a window cleaner can't work out what is a potentially dangerous practice for themselves then they should be doing something else. I assume who teach based on your experience? What's to say the WC with 20 years experience isn't working safer than you?
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working at heights these days of over 60ft is not just common sense, window cleaning has changed and we need to change with it, and we do that by being professionally trained.
The regulations alone justify gaining the training, along with all the other requirements, risk assessments, method statements etc.
You need to be trained to use equipment at height, how would we feel if the pole came down and killed someone, personally I will do all that I can to make sure that dosent happen.
Training providers such as the one we are discussing make it a lot easier for us to gain the correct knowledge that we require.
Who cares who pays if it makes us a safer industry and saves lives?
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working at heights these days of over 60ft is not just common sense, window cleaning has changed and we need to change with it, and we do that by being professionally trained.
The regulations alone justify gaining the training, along with all the other requirements, risk assessments, method statements etc.
You need to be trained to use equipment at height, how would we feel if the pole came down and killed someone, personally I will do all that I can to make sure that dosent happen.
Training providers such as the one we are discussing make it a lot easier for us to gain the correct knowledge that we require.
Who cares who pays if it makes us a safer industry and saves lives?
Very well put!
May have to use that as a quote on the site! :)
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Well I care because its taxpayers that have to fork out for it. When was the last person to get killed by wfp exactly? All i'm advocating is a common sense approach to life in general i'm sure as a society we would all benefit. It's seems we live in an era of what could almost be described as H&S fascism. If anyone dare to advocate a more common sense approach they are labeled as being against "H&S". I'm all for it in the right place at the right time. I guess the training is there because we all have to abide by regulations that for the most part the majority of us know deep down are nonsense. It's a merry go round that we're all in unfortunately, meanwhile due to lack of funding people are dying prematurely in our hospitals our armed forces are suffering because they can't always get the kit they need to to stay alive. That's why I care, You want to undertake training to be a wc or start up a training company for the same then do it on your own dime.
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SH. Just what cap would you put on spending for funding training. A few hundred pounds to educate people over reaching and SHOWING them the consequences on these corses is more cost effective than the NHS spending thousands on hospital treatment, and the a potential lifetimes claim for disability alowance or worse, widowers pension. Drastic, but possible outcome.
We all know not to speed or drink and drive, but why do government spend thousands on drink drive campaigns. Because it saves lives. And I don't think you can put a price to such training.
The more qualified we are, the easier it is to win work right? The more we earn, the more we pay in taxes!
I understand your argument, but do not consider these corses to be a waste of money.
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* gd
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i completed the first day on one of these courses and felt that it might be of some use to employers or employees of window cleaning companies that have a predominantly commercial bias,as a sole trader with 95% domestic in a rural area i didnt feel it had much relevance and decided to give the rest of the course a miss
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i hope it runs next year as i will defo go then.this year i was too small for it ,in my mind
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Well in my role as Minister for Training & Education bearing in mind we are now under a common sense and fairness regime the amount if government money I would commit to this type of training is nil. I would reserve my budget for occupations that are actually dangerous such as firemen, miners, armed forces, confined spaces training etc. Unfortunately window cleaners aren't the only ones competing for this type of funding. Currently I have the postmen requiring training to carry their bags without causing costly to the NHS back injuries, the cobblers are constantly hitting themselves with hammers, more costly injuries etc. However I have taken the time to review wfp window cleaning and I can give you the following advice which we can file under the heading "Gumption" Basically what you are doing is brushing a window with a brush on the end of a long stick. If you are doing this very high up with an extra long stick then please try not to do it if its too windy, take an appropriate stance so as not to hurt your back or kill yourself. Don't be so stupid as to kill anyone else either. Thanks ;D
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I believe I have made my point, and am replying only to secure our three red exclamation marks. :D Good day sir!
PS. Good luck with your new job!
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Many thanks Sir, My reply is also to secure my point also. Whatever that means. Enjoying my new role immensely, tax money is going where its really needed, people are getting better care and living longer, still no wfp fatalities to report. ;D
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Tom
Do you have any plans for course's in Bournemouth! (there is a lot of window cleaners down this way!)
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i thought that government funding for this type of course was being withdrawn in april ????
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Hopefully ;D
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Tom
Do you have any plans for course's in Bournemouth! (there is a lot of window cleaners down this way!)
We have just filled our latest batch of 14 courses all over the UK
We are just awaiting confirmation on funding for next year! But it's looking good!
If you get yourself onto the Impact43: Training Facebook site - Impact43: Training Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/impact43training)
or the - Impact43: Training Twitter (http://www.twitter.com/impact43)
We tend to update these first with last spaces, new funding, new courses & special information :)
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i hope it runs next year as i will defo go then.this year i was too small for it ,in my mind
Noone is too small for the course.
And what from LJ Thorpe said, we have recently looked back at the course, and added A LOT more content based towards the domestic/residential window cleaner!
Jump on our Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/impact43training), and you will be the first to know about new funding and course dates! :)
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Hopefully ;D
would it make any difference to you DG
Just for the record what sort of company are you
Sole trader residential, commercial, can't tell from your profile
What training have you done DG that you have paid for ?
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Thought this was over with lol. Hi Micky, If you read back through my posts on this subject you'll see why I'm bothered. As regards training, I learnt the basics from a local window cleaner with 25 years plus experience, the rest I've figured out using the common sense approach that I advocate. I really didn't want to burden society with the cost of doing courses at their expense. Should I need to do a wc course which I doubt then it will come out of my pocket. Not saying I'm perfect at this game or know everything either but let's not over complicate a fairly straight forward job either. I'm a sole trader with mainly residential and some commercial.
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Just so you know guys, we have decided to put on 1 more date!
We now have 9 spaces available for a City and Guilds QCF Course in Warrington!
You can book yourself a place by:
1. Leaving a number or an email in a comment below so we can contact you!
or
2. Call Gary in the office on 01205 364333!
or
3. Head over to Training43.com (http://www.training43.com/book-a-course) and book your place!
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Thought this was over with lol. Hi Micky, If you read back through my posts on this subject you'll see why I'm bothered. As regards training, I learnt the basics from a local window cleaner with 25 years plus experience, the rest I've figured out using the common sense approach that I advocate. I really didn't want to burden society with the cost of doing courses at their expense. Should I need to do a wc course which I doubt then it will come out of my pocket. Not saying I'm perfect at this game or know everything either but let's not over complicate a fairly straight forward job either. I'm a sole trader with mainly residential and some commercial.
i have to say i agree with this
even tho i signed up to have a go you have to question the priorities of a society/government ( cant really blame the coalition boys as this is a labour set up) that can fund free courses for window cleaners but is shutting down day care for dementia sufferers,mentally handicapped,downs syndrome,learning difficulties etc
its garbage really,and does appear to be a bit of a gravy train for those companies that are exploiting it....but you cant blame em if the system is there to exploit i suppose
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Too late Inside Out, looks like Kev's been censured lol
Pity it was only an opinion!
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Tom : How many days does the course entail.? Thanks.
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Tom : How many days does the course entail.? Thanks.
Hi Wizkid,
The course runs over 4 days, with 1 day a month!
The days cover different subjects, such as:
Workshop 1 - Hazard & risk assessments. The law, learn the easy way. Templates provided.
Workshop 2 - Development, communication & company branding. What makes you stand out? Setting up works controls.
Workshop 3 - Working at height solutions. Theory ladder selection, inspection and safe use. The law behind flat roof access.
Workshop 4 - Water Fed Pole Training, Ladder Practical, Safety Harness & Setting up your work area. Practical Assessments.
If it's something you're looking into doing you can give us a call in the office on Monday! :)
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Too late Inside Out, looks like Kev's been censured lol
Pity it was only an opinion!
3 times m8,makes me sick when you see all the great causes that have to beg for money like on children in need and then the government can waste money on such crap courses!
Meaningless and worthless in every way.
Talk about throwing money away,its no wonder the country is in such a mess,when i left school i got city and guilds in 2 trades that took 2 years of hard work and training to get the qualifications.
Now its just a silly course of 4 days on how to clean windows,its no wonder the country is in such a mess and we produce nothing in this country when they class a qualification in cleaning windows! ;D
It might be free but im under the impression that if you have nvq or city and guilds qualifications in any trade you can not be funded free!
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I'm sure you feel that strongly, you won't be going on holiday next year. You put your hand in your pocket and gave it all to children in need last night. Do me a favour!
Change happens with small gestures. Little and often, is as good as millions from government.
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Cheers m8 ;D. I've got City & Guilds as well as NVQ Lv 3 takes 4 years to get those. How can any qualificationed gained in 4 days be worth anything?
Inside Out, (Or should we call you wrong way round? Based on your wierd views) perhaps you could start the ball rolling by giving the money for your window wiping course back to society! ;D
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Cheers m8 ;D. I've got City & Guilds as well as NVQ Lv 3 takes 4 years to get those. How can any qualificationed gained in 4 days be worth anything?
Inside Out, (Or should we call you wrong way round? Based on your wierd views) perhaps you could start the ball rolling by giving the money for your window wiping course back to society! ;D
Spot on m8
This totally devalues qualifications.its cleaning glass.
Common sense health and safety.
People have been cleaning windows for a few days months or years really don't need to be patronised by going on a course.
Surely or isit because its free?
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You two should hook up, get your slippers and your smoking pipes out.
"They are doing it to line their pockets"!
I clean all my Windows for free, I just don't like to think of anyone having a nasty, light related fall in their home due to a build up of grime and dirt on their Windows.
You plum.
It's not patronising. People, do fail these courses. They're a bench mark to reach that let's woolen know you work to a standard. My workload has trippled in 12 months, during a so called recession, in no small part I am certain, to having this qualification.
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Woolen? *People
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lets be honest, it takes 4 days as its a joke, a qualification to clean windows, is a joke in its self, it was probably designed by a wc who got above his station and started have thoughts of grandger
impact aint doing this for themselves, they are in it for the money, just like every one else, wich i had thought of it
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so MPs are ok to claim 1000's of expensives? ;) and put into the banks with no funding for the private sector jubbly
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@ inside out you would think differantly if you lived i an area where this mob have there window cleaning company. they have a very aggressive canvassing policy. some of the things that they have told my customers to get them to join them is a disgrace. iam pleased to say not one have changed to them.
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like what mark
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It's quite simple really, a company sucking every penny they can out of a stupid government!
They make loads of dosh & the carrot for you is it's FREE!! ;D
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I'd love to meet someone who fails one of these courses. Bet they have trouble tying their shoe laces as we ;D
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2 wrongs don't make a right Catherine
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Cheers m8 ;D. I've got City & Guilds as well as NVQ Lv 3 takes 4 years to get those. How can any qualificationed gained in 4 days be worth anything?
Exactly.
Its just WORTHLESS and only the most gullible will buy into it.
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My workload has trippled in 12 months, during a so called recession, in no small part I am certain, to having this qualification.
;D ;D
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My workload has trippled in 12 months, during a so called recession, in no small part I am certain, to having this qualification.
they are making mugs of the people going on there courses pumping the money into there wc business
MUGS ;D You Said it.
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I'd love to meet someone who fails one of these courses. Bet they have trouble tying their shoe laces as we ;D
Name ( TICK )
Address ( TICK )
D O B ( TICK )
You now have a worthless C&G.
Pat yourself on the back.
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;D ;D ;D
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I signed a healthy contract this week that was impressed that we went to the lengths of training the window cleaners to get the worthless piece of paper.
Was it a deal breaker? I couldn't say but for the free course that the government paid for has helped in me securing a good contract for 2012.
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just wait it wont take long before the legal threats begin from this company. people who know how they do business know the truth. the people who are going on there courses in my mind are mugs. its a waste of public money and i have already sent a email to mark simmonds mp for boston and skegness telling him what i and others on here think.
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Whoa. Bit personal now.
Has anybody been on one of these free training courses?
If so what did you think of it......is it worthwhile?
Yes, and yes.
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just wait it wont take long before the legal threats begin from this company. people who know how they do business know the truth. the people who are going on there courses in my mind are mugs. its a waste of public money and i have already sent a email to mark simmonds mp for boston and skegness telling him what i and others on here think.
We are mugs for wanting to better our businesses.
I have an idea for you, instead of chatting about what they do in their business up your game. Afterall business is business and you only get out what you put in. I'm sure the only reason you don't like them is because you feel threatened.
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just wait it wont take long before the legal threats begin from this company. people who know how they do business know the truth. the people who are going on there courses in my mind are mugs. its a waste of public money and i have already sent a email to mark simmonds mp for boston and skegness telling him what i and others on here think.
We are mugs for wanting to better our businesses.
I have an idea for you, instead of chatting about what they do in their business up your game. Afterall business is business and you only get out what you put in. I'm sure the only reason you don't like them is because you feel threatened.
Steve i think your wrong there and if they were working on your doorstep like they are mark you wouldnt be so lovey duvey to them!
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and steve if you lived where i lived you would not like them. pointless course wasting money so they can line there pockets who are the mugs you and people like you i think.
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There are loads of fierce competitors round here mate. All I keep reading is negative comments. If there out knocking doors then go knock some yourself?
Last year I took my foot off the pedal and went backwards. This year ive gone for it and have doubled in size.
All I'm saying is it's all out there just go and get it and don't worry about what others are doing!
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and steve if you lived where i lived you would not like them. pointless course wasting money so they can line there pockets who are the mugs you and people like you i think.
Why am I mug? Because I'm moving forward and gaining good paying work?
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just wait it wont take long before the legal threats begin from this company. people who know how they do business know the truth. the people who are going on there courses in my mind are mugs. its a waste of public money and i have already sent a email to mark simmonds mp for boston and skegness telling him what i and others on here think.
It will be interesting to hear what Mr simmonds has to say next time I clean his windows.
Incidentally he has a beautiful home which legend has it is where king john was poisoned by a monk for an illicit encounter with a nun. (Dirty bugger)
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just wait it wont take long before the legal threats begin from this company. people who know how they do business know the truth. the people who are going on there courses in my mind are mugs. its a waste of public money and i have already sent a email to mark simmonds mp for boston and skegness telling him what i and others on here think.
It will be interesting to hear what Mr simmonds has to say next time I clean his windows.
Incidentally he has a beautiful home which legend has it is where king john was poisoned by a monk for an illicit encounter with a nun. (Dirty bugger)
neil,what do you think of there courses?
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just wait it wont take long before the legal threats begin from this company. people who know how they do business know the truth. the people who are going on there courses in my mind are mugs. its a waste of public money and i have already sent a email to mark simmonds mp for boston and skegness telling him what i and others on here think.
It will be interesting to hear what Mr simmonds has to say next time I clean his windows.
Incidentally he has a beautiful home which legend has it is where king john was poisoned by a monk for an illicit encounter with a nun. (Dirty bugger)
or to put it another way..jealous monk ;D
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Must say you're right you only get out what you put in, thing is with this business we're all having to put into this one. For what its worth mate I think you would have got that new contract anyway. I spent a bit of time working on the other side of the fence in Facilities, I take it you had to see a Facilities Manager or such like? Well they'll see a level 2 qualification for what it is unless they're very wet behind the ears
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I probably would of got it your right. But the asked if we had been trained in working at height so I just handed over all the certificates we had and they commented on the city and guilds that we all have.
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I did the working at heights course in NSW (load of cobblers by the way) anything above 2m requires harness there. Would set the cat among the pigeons if that comes in here. Safety officials allowed to issue on the spot fines too.
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lets be honest, it takes 4 days as its a joke, a qualification to clean windows, is a joke in its self, it was probably designed by a wc who got above his station and started have thoughts of grandger
impact aint doing this for themselves, they are in it for the money, just like every one else, wich i had thought of it
fair point well made
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one of the other reason i think there is a qual in wc is that the gov wants nvq in everthing, i think a lot of it is a false education, is a nvq level 2 in wc the same as a nvq level 2 in plumbing, in theroy it is, but in reality it is miles apart
yet we might end up with people walking around with nvq level 2 in wc, thinking they could handle a nvq level 2 in plumbing
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you mention nvq level 2 in plumbing,my son is doing that as an apprentice at the moment,he has one 8hr day at college and four days out on site
he started in sept of this year and will finish in july 2013
even if you take out the holidays when college is closed i think that still works out at slightly more than three days i think!!!!
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just wait it wont take long before the legal threats begin from this company. people who know how they do business know the truth. the people who are going on there courses in my mind are mugs. its a waste of public money and i have already sent a email to mark simmonds mp for boston and skegness telling him what i and others on here think.
It will be interesting to hear what Mr simmonds has to say next time I clean his windows.
Incidentally he has a beautiful home which legend has it is where king john was poisoned by a monk for an illicit encounter with a nun. (Dirty bugger)
neil,what do you think of there courses?
I would rather not make any comment on here regarding Impact 43 or the courses.
Last time I got into a discussion about them I was threatened with legal action, so am not prepared to risk that again.
Having said that, my personal view of taking any course which is designed to improve your knowledge of the industry you are involved in and safe working practises can only be a good thing.
Whether having the qualification or not helps to get new business I can’t say as I am still waiting to receive mine. I started the course in April so imagine it will be along soon. ???
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bloody hell neil thats a bit of a wait!!
that course was a lot more suited to your set up tho,you employ,do large commercial contracts etc
personally i could have had three days drinking coffee and chatting with you and gareth and probably got as much out of it!!!
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bloody hell neil thats a bit of a wait!!
that course was a lot more suited to your set up tho,you employ,do large commercial contracts etc
personally i could have had three days drinking coffee and chatting with you and gareth and probably got as much out of it!!!
;D ;D Maybe we should all have get together a christmas then mate. We can swap war stories and moan about the Polish. (the usual topic of conversation in south Lincs)
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is that blind seal still alive at the seal sanctuary at Mablethorpe?. my kids ask me so any of you lincolnshire lads who do Mable please have a look when youre passing ,give me the nod if NOOKY is doing okay
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is that blind seal still alive at the seal sanctuary at Mablethorpe?. my kids ask me so any of you lincolnshire lads who do Mable please have a look when youre passing ,give me the nod if NOOKY is doing okay
will after try and find out for you m8
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That's enough
Locked!