Clean It Up
UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: rscleaningservices on November 07, 2011, 09:21:36 pm
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Hi all fitted in fogwash saturday to the back door works well but one thing im not sure on is that it doesnt come out hot instant and it takes about 5 minutes to start comming thru hot is this right as Im thinking when its freezing out im sure the pipes will freez if it takes that long to hot up !!!!!!!!!
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Same with mine mate. Installed a couple of weeks back and used for the first time properly today on a first clean
Pilot kept going out, so some tweaking to do somehow. Bit irritated with it if I'm honest
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hiya pure I think your pilot light is going out as your water on the shower is turned up to much you need to keep the water pressure abit lower which should sort your pilot light staying on !!!!
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the reason its not instantly hot is because it there is 100metres of hose to get through 1st.
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That's my problem-the water is on min
Going to ring Peter tomorrow
Hope all goes well with yours mate
Steve
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thats strange if its on min yes peter should know ... your right about the water having to travel thru the hose but did a job this morning and we had done a qauter of it by the time the water started to get warm but gotta say when we did another job about 45 mins later the water was warm within about a minute , but the hosese were so nice and soft and easy to roll in , I hope you get your system sorted gotta be something silly I guess but being new to it im learning to good luck !!!!
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That's my problem-the water is on min
Going to ring Peter tomorrow
Hope all goes well with yours mate
Steve
Have you got it on winter setting?
Roy
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hiya Roy what does it do the winter & sumer controls sorry to ask but its new to me ::)
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Hi Roy
Yes, its on winter, gas at about a quarter and water on min
Is that a problem?
Steve
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The Summer setting only uses part of the burner, but the winter setting uses all and therefore burns hotter.
Roy
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So what would you say is the reason for the burner not staying lit Roy?
No thread hijack intended rs!!
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What I would do is turn water to min also the gas then when it lights turn gas up 1/4 of the way.
Also is the heater cutting out with the reset switch?
Roy
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Haven't tried the reset yet
I'll give it a pop tomorrow
Thanks Roy
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Haven't tried the reset yet
I'll give it a pop tomorrow
Thanks Roy
I found that I had to continually press the reset. It normally takes about half a four bedroom house before its hot.
Roy
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So what would you say is the reason for the burner not staying lit Roy?
No thread hijack intended rs!!
The burner going out is more likely to be caused by no back pressure of water. most of these heaters rely on water travelling across a pressure membrane and adjusting the flow of gas to the burner accordingly. You could have a situation where the flow is too great and no back pressure is created in this gas valve causing it to shut down the gas valve. Also they have a small bypass which can be blocked causing the pilot to go out. With regard to your burner going out on full rate it will be the above in which case try slowing your water flow and/or restricting the flow at the brush with a tap etc to increase back pressure. the other cause could be it is actually overheating and tripping out on its stat. Measure the temp of the water if possible. If anyone has a diagram of the internals or a good picture of the fogwash internal setup it would help to diagnose further.
Andy
p.s. Check that your regulator on the bottle is operating okay. Only way is borrow another and try that to see if fault still occurs unless you know an lpg engineer who can check the burner pressure for you.
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Good informative post spongebob.
For everyone having problems with the Fogwash, there is no such thing as a pilotlight on these things. Like Roy said, if the heater cuts out, it's very likely it's the sensor on top of the machine that senses a build up of exhaust gases. If this gets to dangerous levels it shuts off the boiler. You need to press the little button on the top to get the heater to fire back up.
For one reel you can have the water regulator around the minimum, with higher flow or two poles, you need to turn that up a bit so it doesn't cut out on full flow. Best to lay out all of the hose, turn pump on, and see what's happening. If it cuts out almost immediately you need to fiddle around with the water regulator. If it cuts out after some time, it's most likely because the exhaust gases are not exiting properly.
Also, yes it does take some time to get it through the hose, I believe (need to do more testing) that the winter setting, even on low gas setting cuts down this time quite a lot. What's recommended is to either put the hosereel hose back in the tank to heat some of the water in the tank up. Like you said it can freeze in bad weather before the water heats up in the reel. I think what I will do is just leave the reel in the van before I start on the first job, with a male rectus fitting plugged in, and just letting the water come out for a bit first.
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thanks for all the feedback, Tim my mate said to get a spare hose with a connector and tap it into the out flow, the hose that goes to the reel dont let the water back to the reel put the pipe back into the tank so the water goes into the shower comes out the out hose of which i add my spare hose connected to it of which goes back in2 my tank until it starts getting warm then connect it back to the hose rell that way the reel shouldnt freez well thats our fiery will try it when really cold !!!!!!!
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Does everyone use microbore hose with theres ? mine cuts out when i connect my hose reel to water out any ideas how to stop this ?When i use 12mm hose this does not happen
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I use 8mm small micro
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I use 8mm small micro
Hi mate 8mm is minibore 6mm is microbore
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Does everyone use microbore hose with theres ? mine cuts out when i connect my hose reel to water out any ideas how to stop this ?When i use 12mm hose this does not happen
Do you have a way of regulating your pump pressure ie. Digital Varistream etc etc.?
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Yes ,it works fine until i connect to microbore tried different settings on varistream 2, 3, 4, still same results.
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Yes ,it works fine until i connect to microbore tried different settings on varistream 2, 3, 4, still same results.
Have you tried adjusting the "water" flow numpty on the fogwash with the microbore connected & water flowing? Usually turning the numpty down to minimum helps if you're using a low flow rate.
The fogwash needs 0.8 litres or more per minute to run, so make sure your flow rate is high enough.
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Yes ,it works fine until i connect to microbore tried different settings on varistream 2, 3, 4, still same results.
That's the flow rate I believe, you can also change the pressure by holding + and - for a few seconds, then press it again.
For a 100m Microbore setup I use the following settings on the Varistream : Flow at 3, pressure at 6 or 7. Fogwash water regulator on minimum, or just above. That should work perfectly.
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Will give that a try , Thanks
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So chaps-the plot thickens!!
After further testing with my heater today, it'll run all the time on the summer setting, but on the winter setting, it cuts out after 2/3 minutes
Thought please?
Steve
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I was having trouble till i read this thread. Now it working fine. Make sure you have the water numpty turned right down to min . Gas on min, on winter not summer, pressure on vari stream on 6... flow rate on 3 ... Thats what i did and it works fine.
jay
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Thanks Jay
Ive got a Pure Freedom setup, so my flow is on 30, and both dials turned to min on the Fogwash.
Steve
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Have you set the pressure on the vari stream?
Jay
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Ive not touched that
what should it be?
Ta, Steve
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That sounds like the problem . Is it a flow master that you use? I would adjust the pressure to just over half way.
jay
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Thanks Jay. I'll give it a go
just cant work out why its fine on summer and not on winter
Steve
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Hold the - and + buttons together for 3 seconds. Then the pressure setting will be displayed should be C. Press and hold the - and + buttons again then it should flash. adjust this with the + button to D. Press the power on\off button to save. Switch back on try.
Jay
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Probly because its a different setting. Its taken me awhile to get it working as i want it to. I had the pressure up to high on my vari stream as i use a trigger and always liked a good high flow and pressure at the brush. Since i had my fog wash my out let hose from the heater kept expanding and bursting because the water was hot and pressure was too high. I have now had to adjust the way i work so i can run the heater correctly.
Hope it works ok .
jay
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Hi Guys,
Can one of you guys put a link so i can see one of these systems.
Cheers
Daz
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Darren
Pickies attached. Hope these help.
Sorted my problem. The gas for me has to be down low, nearly min, and then its fine-think it struggles to get rid of the fumes as my flue has bends in it
Steve
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Cheers mate
daz
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Pure glass, the problem is that the heater cuts out because the exhaust gasses buildup, its sensitive. That's why it,s fine on summer settings and not on winter, as more gas is burned on the winter setting. It needs to be reset by pressing the button on the top right. You can bypass this, but don,t want to post how. What exhaust are you running, mushroom vent, on the door or nothing at all?
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Thanks Tim
Mushroom vent
Steve
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Sorry, I didn't see your earlier reply. Unless it's pretty much straight out the roof it can play up. Have a look at the top of the heater where the button is, it can easily be bypassed. Do it at your own risk, don't come after the messenger. :D
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Thanks Tim, but I'm a bit pickled, coz my insurance will be invalidated with Alexander Swan if I continue to carry a lpg bottle
I've started another thread with the details. Oh well