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UK Floor Cleaning Forum => Carpet Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: Colin Day on November 01, 2011, 08:26:32 am
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I don't want to start the hot and cold debate, (Added a while later-"But I'm going to anyway...") ;D
I'm just interested to see how we carpet cleaners think...
I prefer hot.... And, I think it is much more effective than cold....
Let battle commence...... ;D
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What part of that is not starting the debate?
;P
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You have to forgive Colin .........
He is from the North and lives in the deep South .......... :-X
he gets a bit confused ............... :P
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Colin ;D not starting a debate ;D
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Sorry fella's... I've not had my medication yet.... ;D
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Colin wheres the warm button ::) ;D
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Colin wheres the warm button ::) ;D
I can do warm if you likes... :)
No, it won't let me... :(
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Colin
Did a builders carpet clean last week there was no hot water and the carpets were trashed . I used microsplitters and cold water and they came up great, Hot helps but cold will do.
Its all in our minds if the prespray is the correct one for the job then I dont think you need hot
Neil
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I have used microsplitters for 10 years now and very rarely use warm let alone hot for rinsing. The MS prespray does all the work and the rinse just does that. This is useful on EOTs where there is no hot water in the tap.
Hot MS prespray works well on trashed carpet but then on
with the cold rinse.
Other types cleaning solutions e.g. detergents need heat so its horses for courses really.
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Hot HotHot mainly for me . Also as weather gets cold keeps hands warm in cold rental properties.
John
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i get the distinct impression this is going to be a hot topic lol ;D
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Correct me if I'm wrong but I think it's a scientific fact that higher tempetures clean better due to molecules able to move faster with heat.
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Colin how is your Zeta going?
Have you noticed a huge difference in cleaning?
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Anybody who thinks you can do as an effective cleaning job with cold water just has not got it. You can understand some of the claims made by certain chemical suppliers as they are only going to sell their products
There is hot and there is hot and we notice a difference from 200 degrees and 270 degrees so anything below that is going to be harder work again. Some one who I used to work for used to rave about cold water this and cold water that but his standard of his cleans were totally difference to my standards.
Anybody who believes they can achieve the same result obviously has not used the two systems side by side there is no debate. Why make life hard for yourself ?
Peter
www.carpetcleanercardiff.com (http://www.carpetcleanercardiff.com)
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Anybody who thinks you can do as an effective cleaning job with cold water just has not got it. You can understand some of the claims made by certain chemical suppliers as they are only going to sell their products
There is hot and there is hot and we notice a difference from 200 degrees and 270 degrees so anything below that is going to be harder work again. Some one who I used to work for used to rave about cold water this and cold water that but his standard of his cleans were totally difference to my standards.
Anybody who believes they can achieve the same result obviously has not used the two systems side by side there is no debate. Why make life hard for yourself ?
Hang on stop the bus, this is something I totally agree with Peter on. ;D
So a bit of basic chemistry here. Do we all agree that there is a certain amount of oil/grease within the dirt on carpets/upholstery? Take it that's a yes then. So try cleaning slightly oily/greasy crockery in cold water and she how much more difficult it is to do. Now transfer that thought into soft furnishings. So hot water it is then ;)
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Colin how is your Zeta going?
Have you noticed a huge difference in cleaning?
I've used it on 5 jobs and in two cases I had to crank the heat up to 90*. There is a massive difference and it'll take some convincing to getting me to go back to even cleaning at tap water hot.
Obviously, I don't use 90* all the time, but it's nice to know it's available at any time....
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Colin when you get your T/M 90 degrees is what you start at... ;D
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Colin, were you an advocate of cold water previously?
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Colin, were you an advocate of cold water previously?
Not at all... Tried it a few times as I'm a big fan of MS, but just couldn't get away with it. Anyway, I offer HWE cleaning, I suppose the opposite would be CWE... ???
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Colin when you get your T/M 90 degrees is what you start at... ;D
I'll never be able to afford a TM, I've got 3 kids and a demanding wife.... ;D
When it's steaming away, it scares me, Paul.... ;D
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Hi Guys
I know I've said this lots of times before but there are a lot of scientific reasons why hot works better, it's not opinion it's science.
Cheers
doug
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Hot for me, hotter the better in most cases just makes the job quicker and easier...
I remember though years ago when using a porty in rentals with cold water you can also do a great job. Longer dwell time was needed though.
All the best,
Jason.
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Colin
If you are serious about carpet cleaning you cannot afford to be without a truckmount.
Like your past beliefs in cold water. The only people that say an electric machine can have the power of a truckmount are the people that sell them. Experience has shown me differently. There are opinions and there are facts.........
I have several steam generators and even if the truckmount cant get rid of some marks, then very often the heat from them will. What do you call hot????????? Obviously there are stains that can be set with heat but then it is down the oxidising road...
Peter
www.carpetcleanercardiff.com (http://www.carpetcleanercardiff.com)
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To my consideration...it was a crazy day and reading your post just made me laugh...thanks.
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Can you do this without agitating?
Did this house today, 5 bedrooms, Through Lounge, HSL, all this F'd!
Powerburst, citra boost and piping hot water. 3 hours
Excuse amateur copyright text, I'm on my little netbook
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If you are serious about carpet cleaning you cannot afford to be without a truckmount.
Now you've gone and spoilt it again......disgree with you totally.
A TM might make it easier, just because you don't have one doesn't mean you can't do the job.
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Most washing powders will now clean at 40 degrees, so the adverts say, but when you wash your clothes how do you kill the bacteria??? apparently you need 60 degrees+ to do this
so more than 60 degrees = clean and healthy
less than 60 degrees = bacterial growth... right?
Dave
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Can you do this without agitating?
Did this house today, 5 bedrooms, Through Lounge, HSL, all this F'd!
Powerburst, citra boost and piping hot water. 3 hours
Excuse amateur copyright text, I'm on my little netbook
I don't agitate waffle carpets either, but like you, I don't need too... Hot hot hot rules.... ;D
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My Mates been going a couple of months now had no training other than my vast knowledge lol
he has a numatic dt910 and these are the comments he is getting and repeat work
Chelle m Colin has been & cleaned every carpet in our house & can honestly say they've never looked as good!!! Very good rates & highly reccomended! X
Nikki k Did a fantastic job of our carpets ,they were dry really quickly and looked great !!! and at at brilliant price ,thanks
Lisa Marie Worked wonders on mine :)
lisa g had my carpet cleaned today thanks to Colin Phillips :) done an absolutely fantastic job so if any one is looking for a carpet cleaner or your sofa cleaned please contact him (barnsley area - cheap rates) Thanks :)
Anna B
would definitely recommend Colin Phillips carpet cleaner loving mi clean carpet thank u very much colin x
all with warm water um and powerburst and acid rinse and my guidance thats all that matters
get over yourselves tm s
Neil
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Morning Colin I am a hot man myself and think its easier to explain to the customer as the washing up example explains.It also provides a great visual to the customer when you are doing their lounge and the steam catches the cold air from outside as they look at what your wand is doing(priceless demo in my opinion)....................Alan
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The Cleaning Pie:
25% heat
25% time
25% chemical
25% agitation If you lose One of these you supposedly can make it up by increasing another slice to compensate......as far as I'm concerned a balance of all 4 is the ideal....so yes heat is important...........unless of course I was a supplier who didn't market an extraction machine with any method of Heating Water of course ;-)
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If i have a particularly trashed carpet i get the inline heater out, i had one the other day that was also covered in black chewing gum and blue tack i though that i would have to get on my hands and knees after with the solvent, but the magma turned up high and hot water in the tank blew it away, no way would cold water do that.
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I've just come back from a job where a customer had had a bit of a diarrhoea accident on a 80/20. His cleaner's have tried their best with Vanish but to no avail.
I tried a little experiment and I wish I'd taken pictures. I applied the pre-spray and just left it, I didn't agitate for experimental purposes....
I cold water rinsed it 20 minutes later and nothing happened, put the Zeta to the test and hey, not a smidgen to be seen.
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Just out of curiosity, did you apply prespray hot or cold? or was it Microsplitter?
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Just out of curiosity, did you apply prespray hot or cold? or was it Microsplitter?
Hot Micro splitter.....
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It's great to have an open mind and be prepared to experiment as Colin Day has been doing, rather than just buy into what APPEARS to be the most likely solution..............as in massive power and extremely high heat.
With developments in portables and choices in chemicals beyond recognition over the past few years I expect there will be less need for T/M machines as portables with increased power and the option of added heat and the greater flexibility they offer and the ability to use much smaller vans present a far more attractive package for 99% of carpet cleaners.
I suggest the 99% of carpet cleaners who don't use a T/M should ignore the posts from the few who insist you're not a professional unless you use a T/M and leave them to get on with their little pedantic club.
I'm only referring to a small number of T/M owners who reckon they're incomparable.
The Spartans were in that position once..............................and they were wrong.
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does hot pre spray really make much diff . i dont think it does tbh
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The amusing thing is Richard, there are regular posts on here endorsing hot prespray but you will also find several posts telling you that it's a pointless exercise as the fluid is nearly cold when it hits the carpet.
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Yes but as the pre-spray hits the carpet its hot or warm so has a few seconds to break down dirt before it becomes cold, I'm not sure if this has any difference to breakdown time but I think it does.
In my opinion hot pre-spray works faster, cold still works but requires a longer dwell.
All the best,
Jason.
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When pads or bonnet mitts are used straight from a tank or bucket and hold the heat for a few minutes the difference is definitely noticable.
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Again depends on lots of factors, type of carpet, level of soiling, type of soiling, quality & type of pre-spray, dwell time, heat of rinse, pressure of rinse, rinse chemical (if any).
All the best,
Jason.
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if pre-spray cooled as it passed through the air then how can we shower?...... wouldn't that be the same?...... as long as the jet in the sprayer allows a large droplet size it will be OK
and as for the pre-spray going cold on the carpet before it can have an effect drip hot water on your arm and see what happens before it has time to cool.
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The water from a shower is a constant stream of high volume large diameter. You wouldn't put down that much prespray.
The sprayers we use produce much finer quantities and therefore with surface area will cool much quicker.
Try this test: Turn the temp up on your shower to high. With your shower running from a height of a couple of feet put you hand at ground level and feel the heat.
Now do the same thing with the same temperature in your sprayer....it will feel cooler yet the initial temperature starts off the same.
Or you could do the same test with a thermometer.
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Neil I think your reasoning is flawed,
using a hydraforce which are normally fitted with a 06 jet you would spray from about 10inches from the floor, this not only is 4 times larger than the droplets from a shower they are also moving at a faster rate, the shower only looks more powerful as it is allowing a greater flow rate through it multiple holes.
its droplet size that hold the heat and it only has to pass through 10inched of air.
but this is all conjuncture and would make an interesting experiment for brainiacs on TV
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I have the same setup as Colin and here are my thoughts:
The temperature of the water will effect the cleaning efficiantcy and again this seems to depend on the carpet / fabric and the chemicals used for pre spraying.
To give an example today I cleaned two filthy double sofas, tried M power, SPM... Agitation and left to dwell for 20 mins, still looked grubby after HWE.
Decided to use multi pro mixed with Solu boost and repeated the agitation... Rinsed with HW and this worked ok.
Then It was time for the grubby Berber... I had used all the diesel up on the sofas!!!
So it was a cold water rinse... SPM pre spray... Sebo duo... 20 mins and rinsed at 400 psi... Carpet cleaned up a treat.
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Russ,
The best thing to have a van in these situations is:
a spare can of diesel! :P
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Surprised the cold water sinse got the diesel out ;D ;D ;D
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So my point is ... by running out of diesel in my zeta i was forced to use cold water.
Using SPM which has been designed to be rinsed with either cold of hot water as a pre spray did a fantastic job!
To be fair though the berber carpet did not have any heavy grease or oil stains it was mainly traffic soil.
If hot water is available i will use it and yes... when it comes to pre spraying i want it to be as hot as possible.