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Title: can you trad
Post by: d s windowcleaning on October 20, 2011, 10:54:25 pm
how many wfp users can actually use a squeegee , i was ask today to clean the inside of a shop as there wc only uses a brush .
Whats the point in cleaning glass if you only use wfp .
Title: Re: can you trad
Post by: Blue Frog Systems on October 20, 2011, 10:55:55 pm
started wfp only and taught myself how to trad
Title: Re: can you trad
Post by: davids3511 on October 20, 2011, 10:57:38 pm
how many wfp users can actually use a squeegee , i was ask today to clean the inside of a shop as there wc only uses a brush .
Whats the point in cleaning glass if you only use wfp .
The point is I make a very nice living without ever having to trad.
Title: Re: can you trad
Post by: Window Washers on October 20, 2011, 10:57:43 pm
how many wfp users can actually use a squeegee , i was ask today to clean the inside of a shop as there wc only uses a brush .
Whats the point in cleaning glass if you only use wfp .
I will be shocked if someone admitted they can't use a blade.
Title: Re: can you trad
Post by: d s windowcleaning on October 20, 2011, 11:04:16 pm
how many wfp users can actually use a squeegee , i was ask today to clean the inside of a shop as there wc only uses a brush .
Whats the point in cleaning glass if you only use wfp .
The point is I make a very nice living without ever having to trad.
we can all make a nice living without using trad , But the guy who cleans the shop could have earned £20 extra by doing the insides .
Title: Re: can you trad
Post by: Blue Frog Systems on October 20, 2011, 11:06:25 pm
it was 6 months before i first picked up a squeegee
Title: Re: can you trad
Post by: stuart mc on October 20, 2011, 11:19:34 pm
only a gay f*g**t would start window cleaning without being able to handle a squeegie ;D

only joking don't ban me ;D
Title: Re: can you trad
Post by: Window Washers on October 20, 2011, 11:21:00 pm
only a gay f*g**t would start window cleaning without being able to handle a squeegie ;D

only joking don't ban me ;D
You cant say that to blue frog, hes a nice man, a very nice man  ;D
Title: Re: can you trad
Post by: Gav Camm lammy 283 on October 21, 2011, 01:06:38 am
27yrs of it n proud
of my speed technique and ability
iv pulled many off ere outta da poop  ;D
Title: Re: can you trad
Post by: Frankybadboy on October 21, 2011, 07:10:35 am
only a gay f*g**t would start window cleaning without being able to handle a squeegie ;D

only joking don't ban me ;D
so i is true then stu. you are a gay fxgxxt :P :P :P :P


and yes i can trad.and if iam truthful enjoy it more than wfp
Title: Re: can you trad
Post by: StockClean on October 21, 2011, 10:34:05 am
We have a chain of forecourts to clean.

Ladders not allowed, wfp not practical.

What do we use?, squeegies on poles, now that does take some skill!
Title: Re: can you trad
Post by: GB Window Cleaning on October 21, 2011, 10:43:10 am
yes self tought, but i was a plasterer previous to this job so i felt it came quite naturaly. its all the same, chasing lines on a surface really
Title: Re: can you trad
Post by: g.brookes on October 21, 2011, 11:37:56 am
i dont understand this whole squeegie on a pole being difficult? My old boss used to avoid it like the plague as well.  I find it a piece of p as long as you scrim the top of the frame afterwards
Title: Re: can you trad
Post by: Mike_G on October 21, 2011, 01:29:02 pm
i dont understand this whole squeegie on a pole being difficult? My old boss used to avoid it like the plague as well.  I find it a piece of p as long as you scrim the top of the frame afterwards

But the art of it is not needing to scrim the top afterwards
Title: Re: can you trad
Post by: gary999 on October 21, 2011, 06:05:52 pm
can trad but wont...im anti hard work :)
Title: Re: can you trad
Post by: George P on October 21, 2011, 06:30:59 pm
We have a chain of forecourts to clean.

Ladders not allowed, wfp not practical.

What do we use?, squeegies on poles, now that does take some skill!


the good old days :-)
Title: Re: can you trad
Post by: davids3511 on October 21, 2011, 06:36:05 pm
how many wfp users can actually use a squeegee , i was ask today to clean the inside of a shop as there wc only uses a brush .
Whats the point in cleaning glass if you only use wfp .
The point is I make a very nice living without ever having to trad.
we can all make a nice living without using trad , But the guy who cleans the shop could have earned £20 extra by doing the insides .

I don't do shops, only houses and if a lady wants insides done I go along with a mate who can trad. I do outsides he does insides. If I needed to I could learn, I can do it now just very slow.
Title: Re: can you trad
Post by: Dean payne on October 21, 2011, 07:32:20 pm
What's a squeegie? :-p why use a winchester 73 when you can use a machine gun lol
Title: Re: can you trad
Post by: L.J.Thorpe on October 21, 2011, 07:52:26 pm
winchester in skilled hands just as deadly as a muppet with a machine gun
Title: Re: can you trad
Post by: rah on October 21, 2011, 08:06:17 pm
was trad for 4 yrs before buying WFP.

Rob.
Title: Re: can you trad
Post by: Mike_G on October 21, 2011, 08:29:14 pm
What's a squeegie? :-p why use a winchester 73 when you can use a machine gun lol

So you dont have to look a muppet when asked to do insides
Title: Re: can you trad
Post by: L.J.Thorpe on October 21, 2011, 10:11:46 pm
What's a squeegie? :-p why use a winchester 73 when you can use a machine gun lol

So you dont have to look a muppet when asked to do insides
exactly!!!!
oh can you do inside of my house/office /shop/showroom/conserv/swimming pool/school/care home/village hall/pub/restaurant............





errr no i cant you will have to ring someone else....i dont know how to do that


DOH
Title: Re: can you trad
Post by: gary999 on October 21, 2011, 10:38:45 pm
i can trad but dont clean insides too much hassle and i
dont do any of the above.

just outsides windows, cons,gutters,fascia etc

suits me fine ;)
Title: Re: can you trad
Post by: Dave Mills on October 22, 2011, 07:51:00 am
we can all make a nice living without using trad , But the guy who cleans the shop could have earned £20 extra by doing the insides .

Perhaps in the time he would have taken to do the inside trad he was off earning £30 WPFing another outside.
Title: Re: can you trad
Post by: d s windowcleaning on October 22, 2011, 10:10:51 am
we can all make a nice living without using trad , But the guy who cleans the shop could have earned £20 extra by doing the insides .

Perhaps in the time he would have taken to do the inside trad he was off earning £30 WPFing another outside.
It took about 15 minutes to do the inside of the shop for £20 , the only reason the guy didnt do the insides is that he cant trad .
Title: Re: can you trad
Post by: VSP Home Care on October 22, 2011, 10:40:54 am
I did some trad yesterday, I'm crap at it  ;D  But it takes time to master like all skills, I'm using the Ninja kit and I did find it very hard to not slip over the edge of the frame and off the glass when using that soft rubber.

I'll get better at it in time, either that or I'll go out with Big Bob the window cleaner for some proper lessons, I'll be an expert in a day.... or dead  ;D

I left them windows clean inside and out but it took me quite a long time, I don't get paid to be quick just proper  ;)  I now have to go back and do the gutters, the painting in the eves and several DIY jobs up that street, so it was worth taking my time and being seen I guess.

Practice practice is the answer, the minute we stop learning is the time we stop earning  ;)
Title: Re: can you trad
Post by: Ryan @ Transparent, Carlisle on October 22, 2011, 09:58:01 pm
was on an impact 43 training course & 2 chaps there couldnt blade off for love nor money
Title: Re: can you trad
Post by: L.J.Thorpe on October 22, 2011, 10:02:43 pm
we can all make a nice living without using trad , But the guy who cleans the shop could have earned £20 extra by doing the insides .

Perhaps in the time he would have taken to do the inside trad he was off earning £30 WPFing another outside.
It took about 15 minutes to do the inside of the shop for £20 , the only reason the guy didnt do the insides is that he cant trad .
and he cant trad cos he aint a window cleaner!!!
Title: Re: can you trad
Post by: L.J.Thorpe on October 22, 2011, 10:08:45 pm
if you cant do trad your a nob end....get real and learn
absolute f*** wits
seriously just get on with it.....
ohh its too much hassle....
so charge more accordingly!!!
oh i dont do that get someone else.....
maybe someone else can do outside too...
i give up....some of you have a really strange attitude to this job
Title: Re: can you trad
Post by: rosskesava on October 22, 2011, 10:13:52 pm
The great thing about being a trad w/c for a good few years before wfp came along is that you have a much better idea when it comes to cleaning windows using wfp.

I still do some places trad style though but I charge extra for it.
Title: Re: can you trad
Post by: L.J.Thorpe on October 22, 2011, 10:26:23 pm
The great thing about being a trad w/c for a good few years before wfp came along is that you have a much better idea when it comes to cleaning windows using wfp.

I still do some places trad style though but I charge extra for it.
bravo ....if i wasnt such an ignorant twat i would have posted that ;D ;D
Title: Re: can you trad
Post by: stuart mc on October 22, 2011, 10:34:27 pm
I have a contract job next week that is due, it is all internal and done trad, I get more for it than the wfp guy that does the outsides, I am wfp as well, but I do the insides quicker than they do the outsides ??? there are some slow wfp operators out there ;D and the best bit is I just look at weather forecast and pick the worst day weather wise and go do it then, and it is lovely and warm in that office and pays well too :D
Title: Re: can you trad
Post by: gary999 on October 23, 2011, 02:19:30 am
if you cant do trad your a nob end....get real and learn
absolute f*** wits
seriously just get on with it.....
ohh its too much hassle....
so charge more accordingly!!!
oh i dont do that get someone else.....
maybe someone else can do outside too...
i give up....some of you have a really strange attitude to this job

hmmm another one with anger issues.

whether you think it is acceptacle or not you can make
a perfectly good living these days window cleaning without
having to pick a blade up.
i decided a couple of years ago i was going to dictate
the way i work,apart from the occasional problem window
i dont blade.

i also dont complain about bad weather i enjoy cleaning
out in it,i will be out working when a lot of the girlies on
here are crying into their scrim ;D

i enjoy what i do and how i do it so why would i
bother doing something that makes me miserable
 charging more would make no odds to me
on that score and to be honest i have no need to.

but hey! if wfp came to a end tomorrow i would more
or likely pick up a blade and just get on with it.

i certainly wouldnt be crying into my brush or worse
still stamping my feet and pathetically hurling abuse
at people because the world wasnt revolving the way
i wanted it to.

oh poor you! :)
Title: Re: can you trad
Post by: Richard iSparkle on October 23, 2011, 03:54:59 am
i;m purre WFP.  no idea how to trad.  none of the equipment and no need to try!
Title: Re: can you trad
Post by: davids3511 on October 23, 2011, 08:47:02 am
if you cant do trad your a nob end....get real and learn
absolute f*** wits
seriously just get on with it.....
ohh its too much hassle....
so charge more accordingly!!!
oh i dont do that get someone else.....
maybe someone else can do outside too...
i give up....some of you have a really strange attitude to this job
What a cock. Why does it bother you so much what others do (or don't do)?
Title: Re: can you trad
Post by: Ian Lancaster on October 23, 2011, 11:06:45 am
Trad is not using them new-fangled "squeegee" things.  Proper traditional window cleaning is with a leather and scrim >:(

I remember the first time I used a squeegee on a London School, the school keeper took one look and said "Yer can b****r off! Yer can't clean winders wiv sticks!!"

It couldn't be done these days, though.  Like everything else, there's no such thing as a decent leather or real scrim anymore.
Title: Re: can you trad
Post by: rosskesava on October 23, 2011, 11:52:29 am
When I twas lad.... me poor old pa would go 't mill an clean 't puddle glass 'w scrim and cows back leather. Twas right cold in 't middle 'o winter but by gum, we was happy.....
Title: Re: can you trad
Post by: gary999 on October 23, 2011, 12:35:13 pm
When I twas lad.... me poor old pa would go 't mill an clean 't puddle glass 'w scrim and cows back leather. Twas right cold in 't middle 'o winter but by gum, we was happy.....

was  it you that used to be running down the road for a loaf
of hovis! :D
Title: Re: can you trad
Post by: rosskesava on October 23, 2011, 11:16:49 pm

was  it you that used to be running down the road for a loaf
of hovis! :D

In those days I was in black and white, hovis in one hand and a real hemp scrim and leather in the other. Sigh. Those were the days.



As for the 'real scrim'. Scrim was originally hemp sack cloth because hemp is stronger when it's wet than dry. The scrims I use are made from high grade hemp and I've had the same 12 cloths for about 8 years.
Title: Re: can you trad
Post by: bobby p on October 23, 2011, 11:28:50 pm
i see a bloke on a ladder using only  a wet cloth maybe its a scrim its in a ball no bigger than his hand. hes about the same speed as a squeegee man has a fAg as he works and never smiles
Title: Re: can you trad
Post by: dazmond on October 23, 2011, 11:36:26 pm
for those that dont or cant then fair play to ya if you can make a living window cleaning all year round without using traditional tools.

i for one couldnt envisage just using WFP.i find trad quite enjoyable at times(mainly ground floor windows)esp if the space is tight and/or the windows are wooden.also in winter i tend to trad more due to the water freezing on the ground.

it breaks the day up and with a bottle on a belt i can easily swap from wfp to trad very quickly.i save water too.

some jobs are just as quick if not quicker using the trad tools plus some windows just dont come up good no matter what you do with the pole!

i like to be adaptable.id say 80% of my work is WFP.nice to keep the trad skills going though as well! ;) ;D ;D ;D


regards


dazmond
Title: Re: can you trad
Post by: dazmond on October 23, 2011, 11:40:13 pm
bobby are your sure your not looking at your reflection?does his hand move when yours moves exactly the same? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: can you trad
Post by: gary999 on October 23, 2011, 11:45:57 pm
for those that dont or cant then fair play to ya if you can make a living window cleaning all year round without using traditional tools.

i for one couldnt envisage just using WFP.i find trad quite enjoyable at times(mainly ground floor windows)esp if the space is tight and/or the windows are wooden.also in winter i tend to trad more due to the water freezing on the ground.

it breaks the day up and with a bottle on a belt i can easily swap from wfp to trad very quickly.i save water too.

some jobs are just as quick if not quicker using the trad tools plus some windows just dont come up good no matter what you do with the pole!

i like to be adaptable.id say 80% of my work is WFP.nice to keep the trad skills going though as well! ;) ;D ;D ;D


regards


dazmond

nice unabusive post.

i probably do still have the odd job i could do quicker trad if i
pushed myself but putting on my boab fills me with dread,im
afraid wfp has made me like that.

god im happy! ;D
Title: Re: can you trad
Post by: stuart mc on October 24, 2011, 12:04:02 am
nice try garry but no, if you can't trad you are gay ;D worse than useless, sorry but that is the way it is :D 8)

Title: Re: can you trad
Post by: rosskesava on October 24, 2011, 12:09:09 am
i see a bloke on a ladder using only  a wet cloth maybe its a scrim its in a ball no bigger than his hand. hes about the same speed as a squeegee man has a f*g as he works and never smiles

For some windows it's quicker and easier not to use a squeegie. Smaller outside windows, some internal windows where you don't want water running off onto the floor, mirrors, etc, etc. I just wet the glass a bit with a mop, use a scrim and then a microfibre.

I'm also often puzzled as to why so many w/c's use a squeegie on small windows as it doesn't actually achieve anything speed wise.





for those that dont or cant then fair play to ya if you can make a living window cleaning all year round without using traditional tools.

i for one couldnt envisage just using WFP.i find trad quite enjoyable at times(mainly ground floor windows)esp if the space is tight and/or the windows are wooden.also in winter i tend to trad more due to the water freezing on the ground.

it breaks the day up and with a bottle on a belt i can easily swap from wfp to trad very quickly.i save water too.

some jobs are just as quick if not quicker using the trad tools plus some windows just dont come up good no matter what you do with the pole!

i like to be adaptable.id say 80% of my work is WFP.nice to keep the trad skills going though as well! ;) ;D ;D ;D


regards


dazmond

Yup. Nice posting and I agree 100% and I'd also say roughly 70% or 80% of my work is now wfp.
Title: Re: can you trad
Post by: bobby p on October 24, 2011, 03:48:51 am
i see a bloke on a ladder using only  a wet cloth maybe its a scrim its in a ball no bigger than his hand. hes about the same speed as a squeegee man has a f*g as he works and never smiles

For some windows it's quicker and easier not to use a squeegie. Smaller outside windows, some internal windows where you don't want water running off onto the floor, mirrors, etc, etc. I just wet the glass a bit with a mop, use a scrim and then a microfibre.

I'm also often puzzled as to why so many w/c's use a squeegie on small windows as it doesn't actually achieve anything speed wise.






 i might give that a go Ross. i think that all this guy had was the ball of black cloth/scrim that he wiped the glass with, no other rag ,no pouch or belt neither  . i guess he turned it over as he used it. he was only doing the ups while a mate did the downs with a squeegee. im thinking that you can get away with a few smears on the ups  but not on the downs
Title: Re: can you trad
Post by: bobby p on October 24, 2011, 03:53:43 am
bobby are your sure your not looking at your reflection?does his hand move when yours moves exactly the same? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
    ;D
Title: Re: can you trad
Post by: DG Cleaning on October 24, 2011, 04:25:17 am
Your not a proper wc if you can't do both  :)
Title: Re: can you trad
Post by: gary999 on October 24, 2011, 11:13:25 pm
nice try garry but no, if you can't trad you are gay ;D worse than useless, sorry but that is the way it is :D 8)



you are entitledv to your opinion,but i really dont care! ;D

god im happy! :)
Title: Re: can you trad
Post by: CLEANCARE WC on October 25, 2011, 11:58:30 am
We have a chain of forecourts to clean.

Ladders not allowed, wfp not practical.

What do we use?, squeegies on poles, now that does take some skill!

Me too stockclean i use wagtail on a pole to reach over the newspaper stands etc I do 14 forecourts  8)
Title: Re: can you trad
Post by: CLEANCARE WC on October 25, 2011, 12:02:44 pm
i see a bloke on a ladder using only  a wet cloth maybe its a scrim its in a ball no bigger than his hand. hes about the same speed as a squeegee man has a f*g as he works and never smiles  

For some windows it's quicker and easier not to use a squeegie. Smaller outside windows, some internal windows where you don't want water running off onto the floor, mirrors, etc, etc. I just wet the glass a bit with a mop, use a scrim and then a microfibre.

I'm also often puzzled as to why so many w/c's use a squeegie on small windows as it doesn't actually achieve anything speed wise.






 i might give that a go Ross. i think that all this guy had was the ball of black cloth/scrim that he wiped the glass with, no other rag ,no pouch or belt neither  . i guess he turned it over as he used it. he was only doing the ups while a mate did the downs with a squeegee. im thinking that you can get away with a few smears on the ups  but not on the downs


Bobby I thought I asked you to stop talking about me on the forum  ;D
Title: Re: can you trad
Post by: bobby p on October 29, 2011, 06:43:40 pm
i see a bloke on a ladder using only  a wet cloth maybe its a scrim its in a ball no bigger than his hand. hes about the same speed as a squeegee man has a f*g as he works and never smiles  

For some windows it's quicker and easier not to use a squeegie. Smaller outside windows, some internal windows where you don't want water running off onto the floor, mirrors, etc, etc. I just wet the glass a bit with a mop, use a scrim and then a microfibre.

I'm also often puzzled as to why so many w/c's use a squeegie on small windows as it doesn't actually achieve anything speed wise.






 i might give that a go Ross. i think that all this guy had was the ball of black cloth/scrim that he wiped the glass with, no other rag ,no pouch or belt neither  . i guess he turned it over as he used it. he was only doing the ups while a mate did the downs with a squeegee. im thinking that you can get away with a few smears on the ups  but not on the downs


Bobby I thought I asked you to stop talking about me on the forum  ;D
hiya matey- that nippy pug of yours puts my old un to shame, you burned me off along the Valley road  ,i had to hoss my old crate foot to the boards ,but ventually caught u up ,we were back to back tother week for miles before u noticed i was behind you !   
Title: Re: can you trad
Post by: CLEANCARE WC on October 29, 2011, 06:54:29 pm
ive seen you 2 or 3 times since then too.
Title: Re: can you trad
Post by: bobby p on October 29, 2011, 07:43:52 pm
ive seen you 2 or 3 times since then too.
OTTO has gone since saw you on Chantry, now got an EX roys group  guy with me ,plus the other young lad ,  whats new with you?