Clean It Up
UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: StockClean on October 15, 2011, 08:53:18 pm
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I think I am pretty much there now on how I wish to take the business forward.
I was going down the route of franchising, but it looks like a whole mine-field, and for now even though ultimatley i would like to expand using this method, i think the business still has a long way to go yet before I can warrent doing that.
Coming back down to earth now, I am rapidly growing the business now where I reckon if I keep the momentum up I will be hitting the magic six figure turnover by the end of 2012 Middle of 2013.
Why Six Figures?
Well, in order for me to employ someone to do the window cleaning, I have worked out that each van needs to be bringing in a turnover of £100,000 per year, or £420 per day.
I would look to pay someone 30k a year + annual profit share bonus to do the work, leaving around £70k profit for me/the business.
The idea is to keep growing the vans on this principle. I know that i can clear £500 per day if i schedual the jobs correctly, and there should be no reason, with the propper training why an emplyed window cleaner can do the same.
I would look to nuture the window cleaner, and in 6 years expect him to go upto rounds manager, and be responsible for 5 vans.
Once I have a few rounds managers, and a fleet of vans, i woudl ultimately look to start up a franchise model, where it would attract a much higher price.
Any thoughts?
(dont shoot me down tho) ;)
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it's good to have a plan.
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Do you need Tosh's window cleaner mate? He can't read or write, so that should suit you, sir.
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pay a guy 30k to earn you 100k
on his own , is this a joke ????
iv worked for and on behalf
of some of the biggest window cleaning
concerns nationwide , iv never earned anybody
3x my income ??? ??? ???
and you seriously think you will fill this position
keep me informed to as n when you do m8
because once said employee realises he's earning you
triple he will be gone , poaching most of your
custy's with him , as he cud afford to be 3x as cheap
n still earn 30k ;) ;) ;) ;)
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easy enuf this your expecting
a window cleaner to bring you
nigh on 2gee a week , for drawings of 600???????
n be happy ???
200 domestics a week minimum
and your expecting him to not work it out
that he is grossing 3 quid a job !!!!!!!
i bet they will be queueing around the block too
old bean
the mind boogles ::) ::)
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Why dont you want to be shot down....??????
Splurting figures like that on an open forum is going to get the exact reactions that you dont seem to want to hear...
Who in their right mind would go and earn a business 3 x their annual salary without thinking (as Gav said)...about going it alone?
And then who in their right mind honestly believes that a WC can earn £500 per day each and every working day?
Sorry mate but you are living in a dream world...
I feel sorry for the poor sods who may buy into your franchise scheme (if it ever gets up and running)....promises of ridiculous earnings such as what you have thrown about on here are just nonsense.
I wonder how many newbies who look in at this sort of stuff feel inspired and motivated by these claims.....if they do then they will soon come down to earth with an almighty bang...... ::)
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There is a company near me who have 3 vans doing 500 a day with 2 blokes in each. start at 6 and work till the 500 target is hit. lots of commercial is involved too though.
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Stockie....It is good to have a plan for the future and you have to start somehere with employing.
Yes YOU could pull in £500 a day, but probably an employee wouldn't, with or without the right motivation or not.
If you are running a van and 1 employee at £100k p/a turnover, paying £30k p/a wages, you won't come away with £70k p/a profit, so you need to re jig your figures there. (don't confuse turnover and profit :))
There is no reason why someone shouldn't work well for you on that sort of salary.....you may just find someone that wants to earn well without the hassle of having their own business.
If this works out well for you over the next 10 years, why bother going to the franchise route? You'll have a general manager in place by then and you can just sit back and watch it all work out :)
Good luck :)
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Thereis no expenses in these figures
100 t/o 30k to employee 70k less what it has cost you to turnover the 100k
lee
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overblown,arrogant and unrealistic!!thats stockclean!!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
i think you need to set your sights a bit lower mate or your going to be mightly disappointed!!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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I had a not particularly articulate sales manager once and he used to say "Aim for the moon and you will miss it but you'll get to one hell of a height!"
I used to laugh knowingly but he was the guy with the big Merc, big house and the trappings of a comfortable income while I tooled up to sales meetings in a 10 year old Volvo!
;D
You go for it Stockclean - just get your sums right - I reckon if yer man does 50K, you pay him 30K and after costs you make 10K out of him then everyone will be happy. Then repeat 5 times and if you haven't sacrificed your real life (Spiritual, health, family, contentment) in the process you'll be a happy man.
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It looks good on paper but I wonder about the reality. Quite a few people have tried this approach but most get bogged down in trivial problems.
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my mate employed some one to do a round for him the round was worth 3.5 k a month and he was paying the lad 1200 a month, for this he wanted the lad to clean and collect and all the lad did was collect enough to pay his wages so mymate didnt make any money, in the end the lad left and took the round with him as custy wanted to be with him, and there was nothing my mate could do, as custy said you aint our window cleaner the other lad is
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Hmmm ok, this needs a rethink then.
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Thanks to Helen. Ori, Gold and vince.
for your valuable input, and to the rest of you, no need to feel jealous, or worry you just carry on as you are, and leave me to concentrate on my goals.
Of course i need to tweek the idea, and the plan and make it workable, but its a goer and isnt unrealistic, arrogant? yes i agree. if you dont like it, tough, thats what free enterprise is all about.
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There is a company near me who have 3 vans doing 500. a day with 2 blokes in each. start at 6 and work till the 500 target is hit. lots of comercial is involved too though.
there u go
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are you saying that you can consistenly earn £500. per day on your own, if you get your work order right !!??.....
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There is a company near me who have 3 vans doing 500. a day with 2 blokes in each. start at 6 and work till the 500 target is hit. lots of comercial is involved too though.
there u go
Each van has 2 blokes in it working 11 hours earning 500 a day, don't think that's per man.
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are you saying that you can consistenly earn £500. per day on your own, if you get your work order right !!??.....
Yes, every job has been timed, start at 8 finish at 5, average clean price per house between 20-30 pounds, easy target to reach. About 20 jobs per day.
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There is a company near me who have 3 vans doing 500. a day with 2 blokes in each. start at 6 and work till the 500 target is hit. lots of comercial is involved too though.
there u go
Each van has 2 blokes in it working 11 hours earning 500 a day, don't think that's per man.
If you looked at my first post, its per VAN not man
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how much turnover do you have now Stockclean, per month?
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its fluctuating a bit, i need to get some months up as well, most of my customers are bi- monthly, so far this month I havent done an awful lot, i am canvassing currently to bump this month up to 2k. Next month i have 5.5k currently to get through, december is looking at around 1.8k, so i need to get the alternate months up. By april may next year i want evey month to be at least 5k on average before i look at stage two.
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All I would say is walk before you run then re evaluate it. It always sound good on paper but to pit it into practice is another thing
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There is a company near me who have 3 vans doing 500. a day with 2 blokes in each. start at 6 and work till the 500 target is hit. lots of comercial is involved too though.
there u go
Each van has 2 blokes in it working 11 hours earning 500 a day, don't think that's per man.
If you looked at my first post, its per VAN not man
I did look at your first post, but I'm regarding the post where you say there you go, the person who quoted 3 vans doing £500 a day has 2 men in it. So you can't compare that post to yours as your claiming it per man, I wish you luck in the winter working till 5 in the dark, should look good, there's a lot of people who claim things on here and get slated for it but I know there achievable but if I'm totally honest yours isn't,
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pay a guy 30k to earn you 100k
on his own , is this a joke ????
iv worked for and on behalf
of some of the biggest window cleaning
concerns nationwide , iv never earned anybody
3x my income ??? ??? ???
and you seriously think you will fill this position
keep me informed to as n when you do m8
because once said employee realises he's earning you
triple he will be gone , poaching most of your
custy's with him , as he cud afford to be 3x as cheap
n still earn 30k ;) ;) ;) ;)
Gav, not every person can or wants to run a business, so 30k a year for a job that is pretty much unskilled is a very good wage, my wife studied for 5 years at uni and gets less than that at the mo. Think your getting confused with a business owners mind set and that of an employee.
or a little of both.
to the person that tarted the post:
I would look to pay someone 30k a year + annual profit share bonus to do the work, leaving around £70k profit for me/the business.
look at your income you will find you earn nowhere near 70k profit if you have a 100k turn over you forgot tax, ni, insurances, fuel, veichle costs, equipment and a whole host of other things, this goes to Gav as-well no window cleaner earns 3 x the workers wage in their pocket, if only that was true.
Also expanding to 100k turn over come with it's own problems, more so if you do this quickly (first cleans are a cow to mess up this plan and that's just to start.
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Have you forgotten VAT and much much more?
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Like i said its clear that i need to rethink this a bit. Thanks all for your contributions, the points have been noted, and taken with good faith and intention.
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i once grew to a decent size and belive me it was more hastle than it was worth staffing is a night mare and none of them care about your business as much as u do keep it simple you and a lad if u earning 200 a day which is easy no strees or hasstle maybe with another van out doing you another 350 a week after wages and costs etc thats a good simple little set up .
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Quickly scanned posts initially was going to respond same as Helen ;D
But why post this now as you are looking end 2012-13 ??? Good to have plan but .... why share this...
- at present miles away from 100k, as the best month you have shown is <6k
That said wish you all the best building round ;D re post summer 2012 and show ur progress - would be interesting. I do agree there are employees that would be more than happy with 30k - some guys are just not interested being their own boss
usually over 40's (..... which are far easier to manage than the spotty little t****!) ;D ;D
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Go for it Marc. If that's what does it for you then good on you.
My own goal is a lot simpler (as a sole trader). I have just started my accounting year (1/10)and I have a turnover target that I wish to reach by 30/9/2012. If (when !!!) I reach it, that will represent something like a 23% increase on the year just gone.
I don't have a plan beyond 30/9/2012 but it would probably involve a similar percentage increase on turnover. I would rather wait to see how my body withstands this coming year before making plans beyond that.
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Thanks Paul, always good to hear from you mate, been a while. I am pushing forward relentlesly, and I will achive what I set out to do, I hope you keep pushing forward too.
Mike, I guess i wanted to share this because, 1) well its a forum and to share things on a forum in itself consitutes a reason for joining a forum 2) There are a lot of doom and gloomers out there, and I wanted to balance it out with a positive thread about moving business forward even in tough times.
I will re-post summer 2012- and show you my progress. oh and this evening i just pikced up another £1200 per anum of work from canvassing, making the total for this month so far around 5k a year added to my turnover.
The work is out there guys, its out there.
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Stock, you have a spelling error on your site by the way ;)
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where?
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I remember on another post u said u had around 5 grand worth of work every 2 months the other week.which works out at 30grand a year turnover.think you gotta long way to go mate to reach the figures you ve dreamt up.id be happy to earn 30grand a year.mines lower than that.I should be up there though in the next few years. ;D ;D
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my mate employed some one to do a round for him the round was worth 3.5 k a month and he was paying the lad 1200 a month, for this he wanted the lad to clean and collect and all the lad did was collect enough to pay his wages so mymate didnt make any money, in the end the lad left and took the round with him as custy wanted to be with him, and there was nothing my mate could do, as custy said you aint our window cleaner the other lad is
that sucks!!
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where?
Selling water page.
"Irons"
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It's very important to set yourself targets and goals,
& there's nothing wrong in setting them high,
having said that i think you have not really based your targets on reality and experience they are more like
'wishes' and this is quite apparent as the first post clearly indicates that you do £500 a day on your own
the new w/c would do £420 a day = 100k less 30k wages well if its 2 man van thats 60k wages less
expenses etc....
i think 30k is a good wage for the employee but all other factors need to be looked at inc the effect VAT will have
on you.
sit down look at whats been achieved in the last year and set a target for get year - i reckon to have done well
if i have doubled customers/turnover/profit
Just to add your aims are good ( if needing a little work ) but are too long term - set short term targets
Darran
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Good luck stockclean.
Dont want to knock ambition but
You forgot holiday pay as well , at £30,000 p/a its £3225. 5.6 weeks thats gonna hurt.