Clean It Up
UK General Cleaning Forum => General Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: PolishPolish.com on November 04, 2005, 05:51:08 pm
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Hello Everbody,
Now you can hire some of our 1st class girls and boys cleaners as the season is getting more and more busy.
Visit our website, pictures available for your convenience.
Click here now!
www.PolishPolish.com
and pick your new cleaner!
John@PolishPolish.com
(http://polishpolish.com/images/housekeeping50_q5z2.jpg)
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I was tempted to think this was a joke of some sort but it actually looks serious.
And very nice some of them are too.
Why, oh why were you not around when I was Regional manager for London?!!
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I've employed about 20 Polish this year and every single one has turned out very bad for us. Never, ever again.
( come to think of it, ONE was OK, but 1/20 is awful). What makes this worse is that they have all come to us via our local Catholic Church. Think long and hard before going down this route, I wish I had. Nice as pie to your face, but running you down to your clients behind your back and trying to steal the work. Trouble makers, untrustworthy, militant know-alls.
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Why don't you come down off the fence and say what you really mean ;D ;D ;D
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I agree with Gary, my partner's firm took on a load of Polish workers. They had only been with the company a few weeks and all at the same time started to demand the same pay as the (British) workers who had been there for years, and who had had to work their way up the pay scale!! Needless to say it didn't work, but they did cause a few ripples!!
Jan
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They caused more than ripples with me and my 'local' staff, tsunamis more like. Lots of companies around here took on Eastern Europeans, us included, at first we couldn't believe our luck after years of staffing problems, it didn't take long before the rot set in though!! I know of many firms who have had very similar experiences to us and they also have stopped employing this type of labour. Still counting the cost, and will be for a long time. If anyone wants to know more then I'll email you.
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Yes, you are right. Sometimes they are real pain in the "back".
I know it, because I'm Polish myself.
But if you treat them with proper proportions of carrot and stick they are really good, especially those girls from our website.
And one more: only take those fresh from Poland, not 5 years seasoned London residents.
www.PolishPolish.com (http://www.PolishPolish.com)
John@PolishPolish.com
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Most of mine were 'new' in, with ages rangeing from 20-55 both male and female. I don't think there are any "5 year seasoned" Pole's, they've only been around since last May.
I see your cleaners are all self employed, does that mean they all have there own insurances etc? Can you really offer this service from £5.05p per hour legally, if so let me know because I'd like to know how you can make a profit paying so little, especially as they are self employed and paying there own tax.
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I interviwed one girl from Poland she lasted one day, I told her traning pay will be £5 PER HR and when she was trained up I would pay her £6.50 ph. she just did not turn up on the second day, next thing I got a call from job centre and told me this girl had worked a week and wants a weeks pay at £6.50 ph and if I did not pay they would take things further! I told them my side and have not heard any thing else. so that was my first and last time with a poll. only in this country goverment bodies will side with refugees etc when hard working people like us get the shi**y end of the stick all the time. I am sick of it. if these pepole can't work and pay there way ship em out quick.
and to Mr polish guy please pass this on we are fair honest people and we expect the same. but if you cross us you can expect the same back with interest!!! welcome to Britain.
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Well, i have to say that i use 3 Polish girls from Blue Arrow quite regularly, and i think i have said this before, but they work flippin hard for me, especially as building sites are not the best of places to work on. They work harder than some of my girls!! Unfortunately i can't say "why can't you work hard like those Polish girls?"......Not the done thing. I will have to encourage them over time to be better.
Our sister company deals with around 10 - 15 Polish loaders / warehousemen etc and have had problems with only Polish chap.....who was useless. Been using them from Blue Arrow too for the past 4 months permanently. So no bad feedback from them.
Its a shame that some from Poland mess it up for others. But statistically.....how many English cleaners do we go through who act like those Ploish mantioned in the Posts above mine?? I bet a lot of us have employed a lot of useless English cleaners in the past?? Interesting.
Kind Regards
Tim
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I personally think the key to employing good, reliable and hard working cleaners is to employ ONLY those who actually LOVE cleaning and not those who want the job cos its easy (in respect of actually finding a cleaning job not working at a cleaning job). The only disadvantage to that is they are few and far between!
Jan
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Why is it when I look at the polish web site I get a slightley sleazy feeling :-[.
Neil
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Hi all,
I had am e-mail from Garyj about his experiances, B****dy hell everyone, don't bother.
I know it doesn't sound the right thing to say but I would rather contract the work out or even refuse it, just to have the peace if mind that you ain't gonna be ripped off.
My advice is, to keep your reputation good, don't bother!!!!
Love
Denise
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An email !!!! It was nearly a noval wasn't it, had to stop my fingers were raw. :'( :'(
Gotta say though, that Agnieszka from E17 looks worth £5.05, wouldn't mind her around the house in a maids outfit. :P :-*
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Wasnt E17 a boy band! I knew there was something dodgy about this lot ;D
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any swedish cleaners? ;)
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Come on people......in defence of any of those from another country (which i am not!!) Most of you have said on this post that they have had nothing but bad news from the Polish and the like. Did you personally interview them? How many people do you interview from Britain and are usless, let you down, and tarnish your reputation? According to a lot of other posts on this forum.....it seems to happen quite a lot - if you do a search.
As i have said earlier, i have used polish cleaners and i have not had any problems with their work or their attitude to the work - and we work on builders sites!!
I felt that i had to say something constructive and sensible, because as funny as your remarks have been.....and yes, i did find them funny.....i felt i had to stick up for them.....So i have.
Regards to you all out there
Tim
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hi Guys,
I currently have two polish ladies working for me part time. So far so good. They are both hard working. Mind you they have only worked for me for 2.5 months.
Just to back them up they are reliable and I have found with one of them that I can ring up at short notice and she will always work.
Rgds
kim
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IMO people are people - it doesn't matter what race, creed, colour, religion etc they are you get some good and some bad. Gary obviously got a run of terrible ones!
Sometimes you will find that when groups of people are together they influence one another so if the 'bad' persons personality is dominant then the others tend to follow, but again this can happen in any group of any nationality.
What I will say is that the Polish web site looks more like they are selling sex than cleaners!
Fox
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At £5.05 an hour that works out at around 25P for sex
where do I sign up.
George
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Funnily enough I was going to write exactly the same as Fox earlier aping the 'there's good and bad in everyone' line from Ebony & Ivory by McCartney and Jackson.
I have been expecting from my first post some idiot to accuse me of racism. This is certainly not the case here, we have many foreign nationals working for us including Zimbabwe and The Philippines with no trouble whatsoever, some of them have been with us years. We have employed Eastern Europeans for about a year. The first 2 were from Bosnia and this couple lasted 3 days with the inevitable threats from these people when it goes wrong for them. Of course I didn’t judge all people on these two but continued to employ E.E labour and have in the past employed Hungarians, Slovakians, Czechs & loads of Polish. What I can and will say though is, that there is no way I would go to another country and behave in the way that the majority of these people do, they do have to learn that this is OUR country and we have OUR ways and we have OUR principles and we have OUR way of going about our daily lives and business workings. They talk to each other in their own language which I find very rude, especially the Polish who all seem to have excellent English skills anyway, they cause trouble with the local staff by spreading rumours & lies and hate any form of authority as well as constantly falling out amongst themselves. I’ve never come across so many people who are willing to stand and row with you in my life, they always seem to know best and have a hard time backing down, then jeez, can they sulk, bear a grudge and cause an atmosphere. I can’t stand the way they smile sweetly to your face and then can’t wait to run off and criticise you and then come back for a confrontation.
They are always complaining they have no money!!! That’s because they are sending it home!! That’s not my fault OR my problem, but they make it everyone’s business by letting them know how miserable they are and causing yet more friction. Most will admit that they hate this country and don't want to be here but they have no choice as there aren't any jobs back home and the money here is so good. Some of my workers who earn £6.00 per hour are used to getting just 50p ph in there own country and still they want more.
As I said, this is just my experience and my opinion, and I really hope that in 6-12 months time this thread isn’t resurrected by CIU members saying “its all gone horribly wrong with my EE employees”.
I’ve ‘been there, done that’ and I ain’t going back!!!
Still waiting for the reply to my question asking how a self employed cleaner in Central London can offer a self-employed cleaner service for £5.05p per hour legally.
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What I will say is that the Polish web site looks more like they are selling sex than cleaners!
Fox
Maybe they are :D :D :D
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Garyj,
Nice post dear!!
Just to lift your disappointment, Racist!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
;) ;) ;) ;D ;D :P :-* :-*
P.s
I sent your e-mail on to my cousin,Cherubs and warned her!!
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Now, that's a bit strong Dustdees!
Gary has just spent some time explaining his thoughts but clearly you have failed to understand what he was trying to say.
Fortunately, I can speak from a lot of experience here. Not from employing Poles, I hasten to add but by employing foreign nationals in general.
Although I now live and work in Shropshire much of my career with one of the 'big' cleaning companies has been in the South East of England.
As 'Regional Manager' for the South East I had responsibility for 700 staff and 80% of these were 'non-english'.
I am certainly NOT a racist - I promoted a lovely Nigerian guy from 'cleaner' up to Contracts Manager in a very short space of time based upon his abilities. Both of our office administrators were African Nationals and I had a Site Manager at one of the big London Colleges who was Nigerian.
SOME of them were extremely hard working, willing to learn and would do anything asked of them. Others however were not so willing - and I DID notice that different nationalities had different traits. For instance the Somalians always refused to work alone. If you gave them an area to clean you would go back 10 minutes later to find two of them working together, wherever they liked.
I agree with Gary though. If a foreign national wants to come and work here they should abide by our rules and regulations; those of our country and the company they work for.
If I set a standard for my staff to achieve whether they are a cleaner or a Contracts Manager, they should strive to achieve that standard with efficiency and courtesy to their employer AND to the Client - NO MATTER WHAT COLOUR OR CREED THEY ARE!
I'd just like to finish this post by telling you of an amusing incident that happened at 'Ford' in Dagenham many years ago.
Due to the level of applicants from recent African imigrants we had to be particularly careful about ID, permits to work etc.
I asked a guy to bring some ID to his interview and he bought a letter from the Home Office.
This letter stated that while his application for political asylum was being considered he was not allowed to work!
That - if nothing else displays a clear lack of understanding of what employment in this country is all about.
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Hi CMS,
Shame you had to write such a long post,all that especially when the post wasn't meant for you.Pity you didn't read it properly ;D ;D
There is a personal joke between garyj and myself which only he can understand.So there is nobody is seriously being called a racist etc etc....
To be quite honest there are so few fantastic cleaners out there then I would be happy to take on someone who speaks giberish, as long as they are legally over here!!!, but can do a cracking job!!
So I clearly have not failed to understand what he is trying to say, in fact I have had a personal e-mail form him to explaining what happened to him when he took on polish staff.(Maybe you should ask him to send it on to you!!!)
I am not accusing you or being a racist either, it's not in nature.
I have worked with many foreign people in the past and in fact one of them now is one of my closest friends and she works really hard.
Again it comes down to , I don;t care what coluor they are as long as they complete a high quality job andare an invaluable asset to my business.
NO BEATTY AROUND THE BUSH BUT YOU HAVE NOT READ THE POST PROPERLY, ENGAGE BRAIN THEN USE THE FINGERS ON YOUR COMPUTER KEYBOARD!!!!
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Dustdees,
Yes, I did read the post properly and I did engage brain before using the keyboard.
The problem is with forums such as this is that most people are only privvy to WHAT IS ACTUALLY WRITTEN ON THE THREAD.
If you have a private joke going on with Gary (by email) then maybe it should've stayed private.
I, like most people can only read what's here. I haven't yet mastered the ability to read minds and I probably never shall!
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Funnily enough I was going to write exactly the same as Fox earlier aping the 'there's good and bad in everyone' line from Ebony & Ivory by McCartney and Jackson.
I have been expecting from my first post some idiot to accuse me of racism.
Garyj,
Nice post dear!!
Just to lift your disappointment, Racist!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
;) ;) ;) ;D ;D :P :-* :-*
Don't have to be a mind reader, just a little more observant ::) :P
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Hi all
I've been a bit busy lately but I see this one is still a hot subject.
I've read all the notes and I'm glad to see that the tone changed a bit - from against any foreign workers to individuals.
I'm an east european myself. I've been here for a while and after I worked my back for cleaning companies I managed to understand and start my own cleaning business (thank you all for your help). I can say that is not just about cleaners creating problems but about the cleaning companies using east europeans and other foreigners for their own profit. I've seen companies employing foreigners and paying as little as £4.10/hour, I know a cleaner that after has not been paid for a month (with no papers) has been sent back to his country without being paid.
As far as I can see is not the case here but it is happening. As some other people have allready said it comes down to you about how you select your staff and how you treat them.
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ALL workers know what the minimum wage is ( especially the E.E's), and they would have a very strong case if they complained. No legitimate cleaning company would take the risk of paying below minimum wage and would not even contemplate a court case. I would suggest the Polish working for £4.10 per hour are likely to working for other Pol's charging there clients just £5.10 per hour. EVERY Eastern European I've met knows more about employment law than I do!!
The cleaner who worked without papers, should not have been paid, if the cleaning contactor had of paid him they would have faced a minimum £2,000 fine. I see they have now gone back to their own country, good, they should not have been here working in the first place and make THEMSELVES prime candidates to the abuses of low pay you mention.
I find your argument very weak.
Gary
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garyj / Gary
Your problem is that you just hate foreign people
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So I take it then AJ Cleaning that you think its ok to employ illegal workers, because otherwise that remark to Gary was really dumb.
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So I take it then AJ Cleaning that you think its ok to employ illegal workers, because otherwise that remark to Gary was really dumb.
DP,
From 01/05/2004 Eastern Europeans workers are eligible to work in the UK.
Business Link have a guide http://www.businesslink.gov.uk/bdotg/action/detail?type=RESOURCES&itemId=1074603900 to Ensuring your workers are eligible to work in the UK, focusing on employees from the European Economic Area, which includes Poland.
For advise on employing Polish workers, try contacting the Immigration & Nationality Directorate on 0845 010 6677. They have a free leaflet available explaining the process. Or click here http://www.ind.homeoffice.gov.uk/ind/en/home/0/preventing_illegal.html or here http://www.ind.homeoffice.gov.uk/ind/en/home/0/preventing_illegal.Maincontent.0014.file.tmp/full_guidance.pdf
For information on the Worker Registration Scheme, which Polish and other Eastern Europeans nationals should register with, see information for employers http://www.workingintheuk.gov.uk/working_in_the_uk/en/homepage/schemes_and_programmes/worker_registration/information_for_employers.html, or information for employees http://www.workingintheuk.gov.uk/working_in_the_uk/en/homepage/schemes_and_programmes/worker_registration/information_for_employers.html.
Please note that I did not call anybody dumb.
In relation to garyj / Gary comments about Polish workers, I would say that nobody is perfect.
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Arturas,
I DO NOT hate foreign people and your remark is rude, offensive and shows a complete lack of understanding.
Thank you for rekindling this subject, it had dropped down the rankings, but thanks to you its live again. ;D
Gary
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Arturas,
... your remark is rude, offensive and shows a complete lack of understanding...
Gary
Gary,
The only think I do not understand is why you feel being offended, when it for Polish people to feel that way after reading your messages, and I am one of them.
By the way, I was Arturas about 7 years ago, now I am Arthur.