Clean It Up
UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: JSMC on October 13, 2011, 09:18:35 pm
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the economy is a busted flush and it is going to affect all of us in some way or another. As people lose jobs the windows is one thing that will be cut ASAP. All i am hearing just now is peoples hours being cut and folks losing their jobs.
quite scary hearing this from people close to you and then hearing it from customers all over the place.
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Does not look good, Mate.
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i have had a few cancel, manily retired or both work and in debt up to there eye balls, the one area i havent lost jobs is unemployed on council estates
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Just thinking same today as this week for some reason a few middle class custy's saying they watching pennies & could they cut frequency,totally understand but on the other hand still easy to pick up work....the lads with the new vans & gear may feel it more,u don't want to be top heavy in a storm!
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and its gonna snow as well
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im still easily pickin up work from guys that have quit or maybe they retired or won the lottery, will never know !
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what is it with west coasters and doom and gloom, there is still money out there just go find it ;)
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JSMC i have noticed that 9 times out of 10 your posts are pretty doom and gloom in general and that was before a lot of the cuts!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
its true ive noticed a few customers cutting back and ive lost the odd job here and there but im also picking up more work which is normal.
im not a pessimist by nature so i always look on the bright side!!
my advice would be to stop watching the news and concentrate on providing the best service possible for a fair price.remember also if you have a downbeat attitude your customers will pick up on it.it could also stop you from putting up prices and creating a better more profitable round for yourself.
im quite sure most customers will be fine especially if your not one of the fortnightly brigade and you have plenty of varied work thats priced fairly.
maybe go and canvass some more work for every house you lose then the lost customers wont bother you!!
best wishes
dazmond
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Daz - well said that man !
now off to find that stanley knife to slash me wrists !
Darran
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the economy is a busted flush and it is going to affect all of us in some way or another. As people lose jobs the windows is one thing that will be cut ASAP. All i am hearing just now is peoples hours being cut and folks losing their jobs.
quite scary hearing this from people close to you and then hearing it from customers all over the place.
People were saying this on here 3 years ago, before that they were moaning about the Poles taking over every window cleaning round in the country, then ladders were going to be banned, before that we were going to have a hose-pipe ban, at some time everyone was going to be put on a meter and pay commercial rates, someone's going to say we're in for a hard winter before long, you wait.
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Just heard it's going to be -20 this winter ....... ;) .... we're doomed ..
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Times are really bad, we only picked up 920 shops since January, dont know how I am going to feed the kids
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The biggest reason for losing customers for me by far is people moving house, the silver lining to the economic crisis is that people ar'nt moving, ;D
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some people are easily spooked
get your head down and get on with it!!
bloody whingers ;D ;D
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Dont watch the news :P
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Cheer up,we are half way through October and still no snow!
Be optimistic!If we closed the borders and never joined the eu! There would be very little unemployment and cutbacks!
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DOOMED WERE ALL DOOMED :'(
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yeah all doomed.
shut up man!!
cheer up
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all i can say is wot a yr
over 10k worth ov new business ;D ;D
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We havent had that big an increase, but have only lost 4 customers this past 3 years directly down to recession tightening cut backs. And thats with me regularly offering to stop going or decrease frequency!! :o Would never make a salesman, me!
On the other hand in that time we have picked up probably well over 25/30 new, more profitable customers.
Our main causes are for loosing customers are in descending order:
Death 50%
Moving 45%
Other excuse 3% *
But as has been said, do a good job, be friendly, and wont do too bad, for some reason having clean windows seems to be high up on their list of priorities still!
*2% margin for error
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We havent had that big an increase, but have only lost 4 customers this past 3 years directly down to recession tightening cut backs. And thats with me regularly offering to stop going or decrease frequency!! :o Would never make a salesman, me!
On the other hand in that time we have picked up probably well over 25/30 new, more profitable customers.
Our main causes are for loosing customers are in descending order:
Death 50%
Moving 40%
Other excuse 3% *
But as has been said, do a good job, be friendly, and wont do too bad, for some reason having clean windows seems to be high up on their list of priorities still!
*2% margin for error
Why do you lose the remaining 7%?
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Never, ever, read the newspapers or watch the news on TV.
You will find that you are a lot happier and you will notice that your life still goes on but without the misery.
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thanks Steve, my accuracy was out by even more than the 2% I thought lol. whoops. I suppose there's 1% that you drop as they start messing you about, etc too.
in our 'patch' I know of at least 5 people personally who have started up in past 2 years, but so far there's plenty of work to go round. tho I'm fortunate I do couple days lorry driving to break things up. that industry has been struggling, compared to them we are rolling in well paid, bountiful work.
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The biggest reason for losing customers for me by far is people moving house, the silver lining to the economic crisis is that people ar'nt moving, ;D
People moving is a big one for me too. Living in an expensive area means a lot of people seem to be moving to places where the houses are cheaper. Either for retirement or just to get more for their money.
The new people never seem to want their windows cleaned. Very rare for me to get the new people when a customer moves out.
But things are getting tighter, people are feeling the pinch a lot more, you would have to be mad to think otherwise, and it is going to get worse. Big things are happening in Europe and we will be very lucky not to get dragged into it.
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things were bad 3 years ago when the recession first started , despite all the doom and gloom in the news things are not that bad for most never lost a custy or asked to change frequency for over 2 yrs now and i cant see me losing many custys ,
The new housings estates round my way are being built pretty fast with people moving in all the time . MIKE
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I've lost 4 in the last two weeks. Two are not in the winter, one is on maternity leave and can't afford it and one was a messer. Annoying, as I hadn't lost any for 3 or 4 months.
Back to th OP. We are at 2.5 million unemployed. I'd be interested to know how much worse he thinks it will get??
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just take a look at the recycling bottle tubs - usually full of empty wine bottles / vodka/ etc etc .
if they can still afford the "treats" then they can still afford the windie
unless of course things are that bad they getted p issed to blot the reality out ;D
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I have added about 33% to my turnover this year.
If you want it go and get it, its all out there!
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it helps to have lots of cheap compact work.they are less likely to cancel you if the windows are only £6-£10!!
im not sure thats right actually!the ones ive lost recently due to them losing jobs/skint have been low priced crappy jobs!! ;D ;D ;D
the constant bombardment of doom and gloom on the news/radio does change some customers attitude though.its the fear factor even if they ve still got a job!
in the general scheme of things if the customers cant afford £10 a month or £15 every 2 months then things must be bad.
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Ive got just the thing to lift all this doom and gloom and thats a good old sing song to shake off our worries, feel free to boogie on down while singing along
all together now
http://youtu.be/bbUQUut_xgw
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Ive got just the thing to lift all this doom and gloom and thats a good old sing song to shake off our worries, feel free to boogie on down while singing along
all together now
http://youtu.be/bbUQUut_xgw
that has made me smile ;D reminds me of Ladbrokes Caravan Park in Great Yarmouth when i was about 6 years old :)
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From 1st Jan 11 to date i have increased my round by £8876 a year with all this doom and gloom.
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Let's lift the mood.......
Next summer is coming
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a recession isnt created on the whole by politicians, or the stock market or the banks etc. its created by people getting scared and deciding to tighten their belts and spend less. If the news reports all the time about the economic downturn then the people reading the news spend less because they're worried about the future. Its this tightening that actually causes the recession, so keep calm and carry on. Don't start trying to panic everyone by writing these posts
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a recession isnt created on the whole by politicians, or the stock market or the banks etc. its created by people getting scared and deciding to tighten their belts and spend less. If the news reports all the time about the economic downturn then the people reading the news spend less because they're worried about the future. Its this tightening that actually causes the recession, so keep calm and carry on. Don't start trying to panic everyone by writing these posts
Here Here.. ;)
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Hey Guys and Gals...
£75m extra cash just been ordered from the Royal Mint by David and his cronies so some of that should find its way into our pockets... happy days...
I have recently started after many months research etc, only managed to drop 200 leaflets as I have been getting so much work, cocked a couple of quotes up and worked for less than my target hourly rate but thats the learning curve... I suppose what I am saying is there is plenty of work out there to be had if as many on here have always said... "if one is prepared to get off ones arse and go find it..." 5,000 leaflets ready in a box to be hand delivered by me... not going to use a delivery company as I want my custies to meet me, cus they might not need me now but hopefully one day....
Lovin it and yes I know winter is coming... but not one of my new people have said not in the winter ta... 4/5 weeks for all...
Cheers
Matt
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Yes your right, things aren't too great right now, but this is a result of peoples greed, stupidity and risk taking.
The bottom line is this, if someone hates having dirty windows, and they want to keep them looking clean, without risking their own safety by doing it themselves, there will always be a requirement for a window cleaner.
Plus more and more people are having solar panels installed as a direct result of people wanting to reduce fuel costs.
Just last week, i have been pushing forward some fresh canvassing, and have picked up 14 customers so far and these are all between 30 and 40 quid each.
A lot of window cleaners are selling out, due to the doom and gloom, thats fine too as we have also been buying up work on top of the canvassing, getting us ever nearer to the six figure turnover we aspire to.
Its just a mindset, window cleaning is such little outlay for household expenses, you'd have to have customers who really are hard up to give up paying 20 quid or so every couple of months, just in child support credits window cleaning doesnt even touch the yearly outlay.
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Yes your right, things aren't too great right now, but this is a result of peoples greed, stupidity and risk taking.
The bottom line is this, if someone hates having dirty windows, and they want to keep them looking clean, without risking their own safety by doing it themselves, there will always be a requirement for a window cleaner.
Plus more and more people are having solar panels installed as a direct result of people wanting to reduce fuel costs.
Just last week, i have been pushing forward some fresh canvassing, and have picked up 14 customers so far and these are all between 30 and 40 quid each.
A lot of window cleaners are selling out, due to the doom and gloom, thats fine too as we have also been buying up work on top of the canvassing, getting us ever nearer to the six figure turnover we aspire to.
Its just a mindset, window cleaning is such little outlay for household expenses, you'd have to have customers who really are hard up to give up paying 20 quid or so every couple of months, just in child support credits window cleaning doesnt even touch the yearly outlay.
Bang right and well said.....
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good times or bad times I know one thing, I'll sleep well tonight :D
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The thing is, most people do not realize how bad the global finances really are. We (every one of us alive) are in deep deep trouble. People can ignore the facts that are mounting but that will not make them go away. It's way too deep and boring for most to grasp, but all our lives are going to change for the worse sooner rather than later. Most just do not realize it just yet.
People believe that some bugger is in charge and know's what to do, they don't and it will not get better, ever.
Which ever way you look at it, the sum's simply don't add up.
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The thing is, most people do not realize how bad the global finances really are. We (every one of us alive) are in deep deep trouble. People can ignore the facts that are mounting but that will not make them go away. It's way too deep and boring for most to grasp, but all our lives are going to change for the worse sooner rather than later. Most just do not realize it just yet.
People believe that some bugger is in charge and know's what to do, they don't and it will not get better, ever.
Which ever way you look at it, the sum's simply don't add up.
Ronaldo
are you related to my accountant ? :D :D :D :D :D
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Hey Guys and Gals...
£75m extra cash just been ordered from the Royal Mint by David and his cronies so some of that should find its way into our pockets... happy days...
I have recently started after many months research etc, only managed to drop 200 leaflets as I have been getting so much work, cocked a couple of quotes up and worked for less than my target hourly rate but thats the learning curve... I suppose what I am saying is there is plenty of work out there to be had if as many on here have always said... "if one is prepared to get off ones arse and go find it..." 5,000 leaflets ready in a box to be hand delivered by me... not going to use a delivery company as I want my custies to meet me, cus they might not need me now but hopefully one day....
Lovin it and yes I know winter is coming... but not one of my new people have said not in the winter ta... 4/5 weeks for all...
Cheers
Matt
I think you mean 75 billion, don't you?
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Hey Guys and Gals...
£75m extra cash just been ordered from the Royal Mint by David and his cronies so some of that should find its way into our pockets... happy days...
I have recently started after many months research etc, only managed to drop 200 leaflets as I have been getting so much work, cocked a couple of quotes up and worked for less than my target hourly rate but thats the learning curve... I suppose what I am saying is there is plenty of work out there to be had if as many on here have always said... "if one is prepared to get off ones arse and go find it..." 5,000 leaflets ready in a box to be hand delivered by me... not going to use a delivery company as I want my custies to meet me, cus they might not need me now but hopefully one day....
Lovin it and yes I know winter is coming... but not one of my new people have said not in the winter ta... 4/5 weeks for all...
Cheers
Matt
I think you mean 75 billion, don't you?
nothing like some berk pointing out the obvious ::)
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all i can say is wot a yr
over 10k worth ov new business ;D ;D
so thats where all my customers from Buckley have gone to :o :o ;)
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Ok.... Let's all just roll over and take one for the team... I know what I am doing and that's real simple... Getting off mi arse and building a business.... Crack on if you wanna believe all the doom and gloom... But keep it to yourselves please...
Plus it's not snowing yet.... Hahaha
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The thing is, most people do not realize how bad the global finances really are. We (every one of us alive) are in deep deep trouble. People can ignore the facts that are mounting but that will not make them go away. It's way too deep and boring for most to grasp, but all our lives are going to change for the worse sooner rather than later. Most just do not realize it just yet.
People believe that some bugger is in charge and know's what to do, they don't and it will not get better, ever.
Which ever way you look at it, the sum's simply don't add up.
And some people believe that sittin on yer backside, worrying about the future getting worse isnt going to help either.
So what, there are always going to be issues in politics, government and finance. They are all as useless as each other, dosent mean though that you have to throw your hands up in the air, and say forget it all then does it?
Im pushing forward for me and my family, if the world falls to bits around us, then so what it doesnt mean i have to follow suit, and you do what you can to survive and work as hard as you can to build yourself a stable future. I dont care if you want to be mr doom and gloom, whilst your sittin there worrying, im out there making a difference to my familys lifestyle by going out and doing it.
Man yourself up you big girl
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good times or bad times I know one thing, I'll sleep well tonight :D
Thats just the alcohol, nothing to do with the economy
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good times or bad times I know one thing, I'll sleep well tonight :D
Thats just the alcohol, nothing to do with the economy
;D ;D
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thanks Steve, my accuracy was out by even more than the 2% I thought lol. whoops. I suppose there's 1% that you drop as they start messing you about, etc too.
in our 'patch' I know of at least 5 people personally who have started up in past 2 years, but so far there's plenty of work to go round. tho I'm fortunate I do couple days lorry driving to break things up. that industry has been struggling, compared to them we are rolling in well paid, bountiful work.
& your better 'half' is 40% & don't u forget it! ;D ;D ;D
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she does the books, and that's what she told me. tho on reflection now, and thinking about it........ :-[ :-\
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I think posts like this should be ignored or banned
this business will be what you make of it
guess Im the kinda bloke who thinks the glass is half full
job can be hard enough some days so we dont need to be dragged down
all due respect to OP apart from the weather almost everything else is within your own power to influence so if your worried go and find some more customers
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We havent had that big an increase, but have only lost 4 customers this past 3 years directly down to recession tightening cut backs. And thats with me regularly offering to stop going or decrease frequency!! :o Would never make a salesman, me!
On the other hand in that time we have picked up probably well over 25/30 new, more profitable customers.
Our main causes are for loosing customers are in descending order:
Death 50%
Moving 45%
Other excuse 3% *
But as has been said, do a good job, be friendly, and wont do too bad, for some reason having clean windows seems to be high up on their list of priorities still!
*2% margin for error
Sorry to hijack the post, and I've not read any of the responses; not really; but AS, could you stick some bigger and better quality posts of your Missis up, please.
I think I quite like her.
Thanks in advance.
Regards,
Tosh
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I don't think this sort of post should be banned, its what free expression of ideas is about. an incite into the person within. and for discussion bt everyone!
and tosh, sure I can stick some more pix up if you really want. bear in mind that this pic was taken 15 years ago, and about 2 stone lighter..... ;D still want it now?! ask Roy harding, as my uncle he's met her!
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I don't think this sort of post should be banned, its what free expression of ideas is about. an incite into the person within. and for discussion bt everyone!
and tosh, sure I can stick some more pix up if you really want. bear in mind that this pic was taken 15 years ago, and about 2 stone lighter..... ;D still want it now?! ask Roy harding, as my uncle he's met her!
;D
And I'm sorry you're related to Roy. We can't choose our relatives, mate.
You have my sympathies.
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They are saying in the news that times are becoming as hard as they were in the early 70's.......
I remember those....at one stage interest rates went up to 25%!!!! Only lasted a week or so. We were told then that the end of the world as we knew it was nigh.
I'm still here. I lived and worked through it - can't say I remember being broke/starving/had my house repossessed...in fact I recall I couldn't understand what all the fuss was about. Sure there were redundancies and widespread unemployment but nothing like the dreadful conditions we're being led to believe are coming.
Even the Great Depression of the thirty's wasn't anything like as bad as the doom mongers would have us believe - lots of people had it really hard, but many times more got through it without it having much effect.
If you are unlucky enough to be in the small minority that take the brunt then you are in for a rough time, but in this trade if you are any good and you still run out of work, the rest of the country will already have collapsed.
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I live in Ireland (I moved here in July this year), and believe me, there are a lot of people here who have lost their jobs, or their hours have been cut, and are really struggling to make ends meet. The government here has been just as irresponsible with regard to overspending/bank bailouts etc, as in Blighty, and are making massive spending cuts to try to make good. In short, the situation is grim, especially bearing in mind that there was a massive boom period here (google Celtic Tiger for more info) from around the mid-1990s until 2007-8.
Through all this, I am building my window cleaning business here from scratch, and in 10 weeks I have 96 customers, and this figure is increasing every week. I have to admit that I am finding it very tough going, but I reckon that, however tough things are, if we are determined enough, then we will work as hard as it takes to succeed.
John
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over the last 4 years my contractors have lost loads of work,me lost all that too,and its getting worse,I now do very little window cleaning now,which to be honest is what I want anyway,I want to do other stuff,and the winter is coming fast,this week, ::)
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Hiya Terry :)
The Gulf stream is one (only one) degree warmer this month than the minus 2 it was last winter, maybe its only going to be only half as bad as it was last year.
Good luck with your ventures, you are an inspiration :)
You guys must be able to tell I am one of Terrys fans :D
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me too, i saw terry on you bet when i was just a kiddie!
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oh well i must be the only one who thinks the economy is screwed. I have saw a lot of people lose jobs recently and ar enow really struggling. Paint it up whatever way you like. Maybe it hasn't affected you yet but to say it wont is stupid if ye ask me. We ar ein for a whole world of pain for a few years. Belts will be tightened and penny's looked after. Too think otherwise is burying yer head in the sand.
one of my friends finds out this week if he loses his job he has had since leaving school over 20 years ago. He's a CNC programmer and the field they ar ein is totally screwed at present. I also know people with civil engineering firms who are finding it hard. These are multi million pound companies emplying loads of people.
basically we are in for one bumpy ride.
my old company i worked for is over 160 years old and is a cash rich company and a world leader in production of leather. They i am told are also finding it tough in their market.
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oh well i must be the only one who thinks the economy is screwed.
no your not....i am seeing stuff that scares me silly!! :(
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JSMC
DOOM and GLOOM ::) oh woe, yes its always going to be tough but then its a good time to start :)
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i think it will get a lot worse when the intrest rates go up
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i think it will get a lot worse when the intrest rates go up
if the bank of england raise them it could really screw the property market. Thing is house prices are false big time. over say the past 8 years people wne tmental and for some reason you had to own a property. WHY? My sis lived in germany and said their outlook is totally different with regards to owning property. Also one of my customers othe rhalf is from denmark and she was telling me that ove rthere they take a mortgage out over a very long period and it is passed down through the family. I had neve rhear dof this before and it sounds a good idea. Also said in denmark rate of tax is very high meaning there ar enot a lot of overly rich people but also not a lot of poor people also. sems they have a very good balance for their people.
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they also do 2nd and 3rd generation mortages in japan, as houses are that expensive
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There was this elderly man who had a profitable little business selling hot dogs on a busy street corner in a major city. He wasn’t particularly well educated, but he sold great hot dogs and his customers loved him.
During the early morning rush hour, he’d wheel his mobile hot dog stand to position it near the exit of the central railway station in town. A year ago he’d added a bacon and egg roll to his range and sold scores of them to this breakfast crowd every day. At lunchtime, he’d move his stand to a popular park where he had lines of regulars.
In the afternoon he’d be back at the station entrance and then later most nights he knew a great spot near a nightclub where young patrons rushed him off his feet. He had even installed special lighting and a flashing neon sign. Even people driving by would stop.
He’d worked hard for years and done well enough to put his only son through university who later became an accountant with a large accounting firm.
One day his son warned him that a recession was on the way. The old man asked his son what this meant. Being an educated man his son gave a very detailed explanation of how the recession would severely impact everyone in the community, particularly small business people like his father. There would be enormous unemployment; people would not be able to afford to spend money as they did now. He painted a gloomy picture of the future and warned his father that it would be wise to cut back on his expenses and “tighten his belt” financially and prepare for the worst. The old man didn’t know much about the economy or interest rates, but he trusted his son. After all, he was an educated man. Recession mentality kicked in...
The old man began to cut back on the quantity of sausages and bread rolls he bought. He didn’t want to get caught with stale rolls as business began to drop off. But it was hard to judge and some days he actually ran out of sausages and rolls earlier than he normally would. So he went home early and spent more time worrying about this recession that was coming.
Soon he knew that what his son had said was right. He noticed that his takings were indeed falling. This depressed him more and so he tended to get out of bed later each day. After all, why get to the station so early when obviously more people would be eating at home rather than spending money on breakfast in the city. He decided that his bacon
and egg rolls were too expensive for most people now. After all, they were twice the price of a hot dog, so he cut them from his menu and his sales continued to plummet.
Wow, his son was right, this recession was hitting hard!
He decided to save more money and not replace the batteries that powered his neon sign and lights at night. Now because he was in the dark, fewer people bought from him and soon he decided that it wasn’t even worth his time setting up at night. Eventually he decided to sell off his equipment and his trolley. He was in luck though because the young woman who bought his trolley didn’t seem to know how bad business was, or how severe the recession was going to be. He managed to unload the trolley for more than he thought he would get. Now day after day he stayed at home, depressed, and occasionally his son would visit him and they would discuss how bad the recession was, and how lucky the old man had been to have an educated son who had warned him in advance about this terrible recession.
So what’s the moral of this story?
Recession mentality starts in one’s own head. If you believe that a recession is coming and that times will soon be tough, then they will be for you. Like the old man in the story, you’ll start to change your successful behaviour patterns and replace them with less resourceful habits. You’ll sleep in later. You’ll take longer lunch breaks, make less phone calls and go home earlier.
But it needn’t be that way...
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Brilliant, quite brilliant!!!!
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Well it would have been if it was not copied and pasted!!!!!!.
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Believe what you will guy's. Working hard will not bring any long term benefits now. I suggest many of you who care for you'r families well being, take the time to fully educate yourself's on the reality of the World's financial situation and take stock of what that reality has in store for each of us.
Best of luck.
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Believe what you will guy's. Working hard will not bring any long term benefits now. I suggest many of you who care for you'r families well being, take the time to fully educate yourself's on the reality of the World's financial situation and take stock of what that reality has in store for each of us.
Best of luck.
ok I am listening Ronnie, what do you suggest we do?
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ok I am listening Ronnie, what do you suggest we do?
Panic!
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There was this elderly man who had a profitable little business selling hot dogs on a busy street corner in a major city. He wasn’t particularly well educated, but he sold great hot dogs and his customers loved him.
During the early morning rush hour, he’d wheel his mobile hot dog stand to position it near the exit of the central railway station in town. A year ago he’d added a bacon and egg roll to his range and sold scores of them to this breakfast crowd every day. At lunchtime, he’d move his stand to a popular park where he had lines of regulars.
In the afternoon he’d be back at the station entrance and then later most nights he knew a great spot near a nightclub where young patrons rushed him off his feet. He had even installed special lighting and a flashing neon sign. Even people driving by would stop.
He’d worked hard for years and done well enough to put his only son through university who later became an accountant with a large accounting firm.
One day his son warned him that a recession was on the way. The old man asked his son what this meant. Being an educated man his son gave a very detailed explanation of how the recession would severely impact everyone in the community, particularly small business people like his father. There would be enormous unemployment; people would not be able to afford to spend money as they did now. He painted a gloomy picture of the future and warned his father that it would be wise to cut back on his expenses and “tighten his belt” financially and prepare for the worst. The old man didn’t know much about the economy or interest rates, but he trusted his son. After all, he was an educated man. Recession mentality kicked in...
The old man began to cut back on the quantity of sausages and bread rolls he bought. He didn’t want to get caught with stale rolls as business began to drop off. But it was hard to judge and some days he actually ran out of sausages and rolls earlier than he normally would. So he went home early and spent more time worrying about this recession that was coming.
Soon he knew that what his son had said was right. He noticed that his takings were indeed falling. This depressed him more and so he tended to get out of bed later each day. After all, why get to the station so early when obviously more people would be eating at home rather than spending money on breakfast in the city. He decided that his bacon
and egg rolls were too expensive for most people now. After all, they were twice the price of a hot dog, so he cut them from his menu and his sales continued to plummet.
Wow, his son was right, this recession was hitting hard!
He decided to save more money and not replace the batteries that powered his neon sign and lights at night. Now because he was in the dark, fewer people bought from him and soon he decided that it wasn’t even worth his time setting up at night. Eventually he decided to sell off his equipment and his trolley. He was in luck though because the young woman who bought his trolley didn’t seem to know how bad business was, or how severe the recession was going to be. He managed to unload the trolley for more than he thought he would get. Now day after day he stayed at home, depressed, and occasionally his son would visit him and they would discuss how bad the recession was, and how lucky the old man had been to have an educated son who had warned him in advance about this terrible recession.
So what’s the moral of this story?
Recession mentality starts in one’s own head. If you believe that a recession is coming and that times will soon be tough, then they will be for you. Like the old man in the story, you’ll start to change your successful behaviour patterns and replace them with less resourceful habits. You’ll sleep in later. You’ll take longer lunch breaks, make less phone calls and go home earlier.
But it needn’t be that way...
total pish ;D
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when the going gets tough
the tough get going ;)
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The fact is there is nothing we as individuals can do about it anyway. Avoid debt, thats the big one. Somebody I know took his family on a seven grand holiday this summer paid for by credit card. They are back, the holiday is a fading memory but the credit card bill will still be there in ten years time probably.
All he says is "Ah well we needed a holiday" Whats wrong with a tent? It just shows to me that people have absolutely no understanding of what is and what isn't important
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There was this elderly man who had a profitable little business selling hot dogs on a busy street corner in a major city. He wasn’t particularly well educated, but he sold great hot dogs and his customers loved him.
During the early morning rush hour, he’d wheel his mobile hot dog stand to position it near the exit of the central railway station in town. A year ago he’d added a bacon and egg roll to his range and sold scores of them to this breakfast crowd every day. At lunchtime, he’d move his stand to a popular park where he had lines of regulars.
In the afternoon he’d be back at the station entrance and then later most nights he knew a great spot near a nightclub where young patrons rushed him off his feet. He had even installed special lighting and a flashing neon sign. Even people driving by would stop.
He’d worked hard for years and done well enough to put his only son through university who later became an accountant with a large accounting firm.
One day his son warned him that a recession was on the way. The old man asked his son what this meant. Being an educated man his son gave a very detailed explanation of how the recession would severely impact everyone in the community, particularly small business people like his father. There would be enormous unemployment; people would not be able to afford to spend money as they did now. He painted a gloomy picture of the future and warned his father that it would be wise to cut back on his expenses and “tighten his belt” financially and prepare for the worst. The old man didn’t know much about the economy or interest rates, but he trusted his son. After all, he was an educated man. Recession mentality kicked in...
The old man began to cut back on the quantity of sausages and bread rolls he bought. He didn’t want to get caught with stale rolls as business began to drop off. But it was hard to judge and some days he actually ran out of sausages and rolls earlier than he normally would. So he went home early and spent more time worrying about this recession that was coming.
Soon he knew that what his son had said was right. He noticed that his takings were indeed falling. This depressed him more and so he tended to get out of bed later each day. After all, why get to the station so early when obviously more people would be eating at home rather than spending money on breakfast in the city. He decided that his bacon
and egg rolls were too expensive for most people now. After all, they were twice the price of a hot dog, so he cut them from his menu and his sales continued to plummet.
Wow, his son was right, this recession was hitting hard!
He decided to save more money and not replace the batteries that powered his neon sign and lights at night. Now because he was in the dark, fewer people bought from him and soon he decided that it wasn’t even worth his time setting up at night. Eventually he decided to sell off his equipment and his trolley. He was in luck though because the young woman who bought his trolley didn’t seem to know how bad business was, or how severe the recession was going to be. He managed to unload the trolley for more than he thought he would get. Now day after day he stayed at home, depressed, and occasionally his son would visit him and they would discuss how bad the recession was, and how lucky the old man had been to have an educated son who had warned him in advance about this terrible recession.
So what’s the moral of this story?
Recession mentality starts in one’s own head. If you believe that a recession is coming and that times will soon be tough, then they will be for you. Like the old man in the story, you’ll start to change your successful behaviour patterns and replace them with less resourceful habits. You’ll sleep in later. You’ll take longer lunch breaks, make less phone calls and go home earlier.
But it needn’t be that way...
he should have sold burgers as well. he might have ridden out the recession
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wow this has got to be the most negative post to make everyone feel down.
Look on the positive sides, you still breathe, you dsont have to work for other people, you reap what you sow.
if your sat there thinking it is all going bad and thinking by doing nothing it will change.
google: who moved my cheese read it and then see which one you are.
everything is positive right now, even though things are tuffer it is also becoming easier to flush out the non business minded people.
to add to the negatives I lose about 10ish customers a month, do I worry? nope not at all, I get more, I do more (well get others to do more) life has positives if you look for them...... if interest rates do go up change with them, very simple really
So think it is going to be grim for you and get what you ask for OR
is it going to be full of happy challenges that make you stronger and richer and you can get this.... ?
Your mindset is king and you are ruled by it! ;)
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When the going gets tough the tough get going
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When the going gets tough the tough get going
love that ;D
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wow this has got to be the most negative post to make everyone feel down.
Look on the positive sides, you still breathe, you dsont have to work for other people, you reap what you sow.
if your sat there thinking it is all going bad and thinking by doing nothing it will change.
google: who moved my cheese read it and then see which one you are.
everything is positive right now, even though things are tuffer it is also becoming easier to flush out the non business minded people.
to add to the negatives I lose about 10ish customers a month, do I worry? nope not at all, I get more, I do more (well get others to do more) life has positives if you look for them...... if interest rates do go up change with them, very simple really
So think it is going to be grim for you and get what you ask for OR
is it going to be full of happy challenges that make you stronger and richer and you can get this.... ?
Your mindset is king and you are ruled by it! ;)
I know, e-mail me pleaze want to chat to u www.stockclean.co.uk
t
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wow this has got to be the most negative post to make everyone feel down.
Look on the positive sides, you still breathe, you dsont have to work for other people, you reap what you sow.
if your sat there thinking it is all going bad and thinking by doing nothing it will change.
google: who moved my cheese read it and then see which one you are.
everything is positive right now, even though things are tuffer it is also becoming easier to flush out the non business minded people.
to add to the negatives I lose about 10ish customers a month, do I worry? nope not at all, I get more, I do more (well get others to do more) life has positives if you look for them...... if interest rates do go up change with them, very simple really
So think it is going to be grim for you and get what you ask for OR
is it going to be full of happy challenges that make you stronger and richer and you can get this.... ?
Your mindset is king and you are ruled by it! ;)
I know, e-mail me pleaze want to chat to u www.stockclean.co.uk
t
send me an email to design(at)windowwashers.co.uk happy to talk with you. ;)
Ian
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There was this elderly man who had a profitable little business selling hot dogs on a busy street corner in a major city. He wasn’t particularly well educated, but he sold great hot dogs and his customers loved him.
During the early morning rush hour, he’d wheel his mobile hot dog stand to position it near the exit of the central railway station in town. A year ago he’d added a bacon and egg roll to his range and sold scores of them to this breakfast crowd every day. At lunchtime, he’d move his stand to a popular park where he had lines of regulars.
In the afternoon he’d be back at the station entrance and then later most nights he knew a great spot near a nightclub where young patrons rushed him off his feet. He had even installed special lighting and a flashing neon sign. Even people driving by would stop.
He’d worked hard for years and done well enough to put his only son through university who later became an accountant with a large accounting firm.
One day his son warned him that a recession was on the way. The old man asked his son what this meant. Being an educated man his son gave a very detailed explanation of how the recession would severely impact everyone in the community, particularly small business people like his father. There would be enormous unemployment; people would not be able to afford to spend money as they did now. He painted a gloomy picture of the future and warned his father that it would be wise to cut back on his expenses and “tighten his belt” financially and prepare for the worst. The old man didn’t know much about the economy or interest rates, but he trusted his son. After all, he was an educated man. Recession mentality kicked in...
The old man began to cut back on the quantity of sausages and bread rolls he bought. He didn’t want to get caught with stale rolls as business began to drop off. But it was hard to judge and some days he actually ran out of sausages and rolls earlier than he normally would. So he went home early and spent more time worrying about this recession that was coming.
Soon he knew that what his son had said was right. He noticed that his takings were indeed falling. This depressed him more and so he tended to get out of bed later each day. After all, why get to the station so early when obviously more people would be eating at home rather than spending money on breakfast in the city. He decided that his bacon
and egg rolls were too expensive for most people now. After all, they were twice the price of a hot dog, so he cut them from his menu and his sales continued to plummet.
Wow, his son was right, this recession was hitting hard!
He decided to save more money and not replace the batteries that powered his neon sign and lights at night. Now because he was in the dark, fewer people bought from him and soon he decided that it wasn’t even worth his time setting up at night. Eventually he decided to sell off his equipment and his trolley. He was in luck though because the young woman who bought his trolley didn’t seem to know how bad business was, or how severe the recession was going to be. He managed to unload the trolley for more than he thought he would get. Now day after day he stayed at home, depressed, and occasionally his son would visit him and they would discuss how bad the recession was, and how lucky the old man had been to have an educated son who had warned him in advance about this terrible recession.
So what’s the moral of this story?
Recession mentality starts in one’s own head. If you believe that a recession is coming and that times will soon be tough, then they will be for you. Like the old man in the story, you’ll start to change your successful behaviour patterns and replace them with less resourceful habits. You’ll sleep in later. You’ll take longer lunch breaks, make less phone calls and go home earlier.
But it needn’t be that way...
total pish ;D
laffin
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ok I am listening Ronnie, what do you suggest we do?
Debt, avoid it like the plague. Buy plenty of bottled water and tin's of beans. Get an AK 47 and build a shed to keep it all in.....with a padlock on.
Seriously though. Money is going to become increasingly sparse in the coming year's for many people. Jobs will be lost all across the board and thing's like window cleaning will not be too important to all those people.
Stu, the whole world is bankrupt and that is a hard fact. I don't know what the outcome will be other than know it will be bleak. It will take time, the slow process into poverty as a nation, but it will in my opinion happen to us. The sum's do not add up. It is only a matter of time. Just what happen's then, I don't know either, but I wouldn't rule out anything that has not happened before, repeatedly.
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ok I am listening Ronnie, what do you suggest we do?
Debt, avoid it like the plague. Buy plenty of bottled water and tin's of beans. Get an AK 47 and build a shed to keep it all in.....with a padlock on.
Seriously though. Money is going to become increasingly sparse in the coming year's for many people. Jobs will be lost all across the board and thing's like window cleaning will not be too important to all those people.
Stu, the whole world is bankrupt and that is a hard fact. I don't know what the outcome will be other than know it will be bleak. It will take time, the slow process into poverty as a nation, but it will in my opinion happen to us. The sum's do not add up. It is only a matter of time. Just what happen's then, I don't know either, but I wouldn't rule out anything that has not happened before, repeatedly.
well in that case I will re enlist ;D as we will be at war shortly, and at least I will be paid and fed
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well in that case I will re enlist as we will be at war shortly, and at least I will be paid and fed
You will be too old. I think 10 to 15 years will be enough to drive us all nuts. Then boooooooom.
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Blimey. We could die, as well :o. A recession won't seem that bad then.
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ok I am listening Ronnie, what do you suggest we do?
Debt, avoid it like the plague. Buy plenty of bottled water and tin's of beans. Get an AK 47 and build a shed to keep it all in.....with a padlock on.
Seriously though. Money is going to become increasingly sparse in the coming year's for many people. Jobs will be lost all across the board and thing's like window cleaning will not be too important to all those people.
Stu, the whole world is bankrupt and that is a hard fact. I don't know what the outcome will be other than know it will be bleak. It will take time, the slow process into poverty as a nation, but it will in my opinion happen to us. The sum's do not add up. It is only a matter of time. Just what happen's then, I don't know either, but I wouldn't rule out anything that has not happened before, repeatedly.
ronnie if its all going to go pear shaped we might as well borrow as much as we possibly can, if civilisation ends as we know it they aint gonna be getting any of the money back now are they? If society breaks down to its basic level and the world monetary system collapses then i dont think im gonna pay for my gas this winter either.
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food selling might be a good thing to slide into= everybody has got to eat dont they. i happen to know of a place near me that bags up cashew nuts and all manner of indian snacks and theyre busy as hell although the factory has no windows and never advertize
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the economy is a busted flush and it is going to affect all of us in some way or another. As people lose jobs the windows is one thing that will be cut ASAP. All i am hearing just now is peoples hours being cut and folks losing their jobs.
quite scary hearing this from people close to you and then hearing it from customers all over the place.
I often wonder if the news channels realise that the economy of the UK and Europe is far bigger than a few dodgy money grabbing bankers and politicians. The people I talk to are looking at new ways to do things and seem to be busy.
We often hear about the latest jobless total, I always cease on the following statistic 7% of the working population are out of work there fore 93% are in work.
A cynic may suggest that all the scare tactics are a good way to control the people?? and keep pay rises down and kep us all working flat out paying even more tax.
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the economy is a busted flush and it is going to affect all of us in some way or another. As people lose jobs the windows is one thing that will be cut ASAP. All i am hearing just now is peoples hours being cut and folks losing their jobs.
quite scary hearing this from people close to you and then hearing it from customers all over the place.
I often wonder if the news channels realise that the economy of the UK and Europe is far bigger than a few dodgy money grabbing bankers and politicians. The people I talk to are looking at new ways to do things and seem to be busy.
We often hear about the latest jobless total, I always cease on the following statistic 7% of the working population are out of work there fore 93% are in work.
A cynic may suggest that all the scare tactics are a good way to control the people?? and keep pay rises down and kep us all working flat out paying even more tax.
this is the single most interesting reply to this topic ive read as yet! like you said %93 of the country is in work!!!
thanks for this mate!
GB
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then theres a few of the so called 7% unemployed who are working on the side so probably only 2% out of work!!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
like bumper!!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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i wa sgonna mention how bad the weather was up here this morning but i don't want to be cast as victor meldrew any more ;D
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i wa sgonna mention how bad the weather was up here this morning but i don't want to be cast as victor meldrew any more ;D
I will give you that one mate, it is rank rotten weather, did my shops this morning then binned it for the day
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I am not knocking the people out of work it is tough out there for sure, I do think though we need to talk up the good stuff more and stop reinforcing the negative stereo types shown in the main news channels.
As for the weather Ok this end of the country for now But its is clouding over s o a change is neigh.
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food selling might be a good thing to slide into= everybody has got to eat dont they. i happen to know of a place near me that bags up cashew nuts and all manner of indian snacks and theyre busy as hell although the factory has no windows and never advertize
They properly making e legal boos
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Stay positive and ignore all the negativity. happy people live longer :)
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Dont believe anyone who tells you this time its different. Look around you. Are people still working? Do they still need and buy food? Do they still have jobs? Yes.
Stop listening to doom mongers - they are always convinced everything is going to go wrong, and youll never hear from them when their predictions turn out to be way off the mark.
Lifes good. Enjoy it.
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3 new jobs past 3 days ;D
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3 new jobs past 3 days ;D
I thought you said it was going to he grim.
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I reckon Western society, as we currently know it, is going to collapse within the next five years. There's not enough money in the World to cover the current World debt.
That coupled with the climate change, ever harsher Winters, I reckon we're in for a rough ride.
I'm considering digging a bunker and storing it with tinned food and bottled water; just in case.
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oh well not worry tosh,lets just say this will be just
another thing you will be wrong about ;D
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whooooopppeeeee I'm the 100th post on this topic, do I get a prize ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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It looks to me as if there are some who are burying their heads in the sand, especially those who are saying that they are unaffected by the current economic climate. Before my relocation to Ireland in July I was one of those who was doing well enough to have work coming at me from all angles, so I also felt that this would last forever.
Since my move, I have started up my new round from scratch. I am telling you that it is very tough here. I am finding work, but it is much harder to get established here than in Blighty. No-one has the confidence to spend any money, and window cleaning is way down the list of priorities here.
Don't get me wrong, I am not a doom and gloom merchant, but I am seeing a lot of people struggling to survive here. That is reality. So let's not take anything for granted just because we may be doing well now. It could all go belly up tomorrow, and there would be little if anything we can do about it when things really do start to fall apart..
John
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Ireland is in a bad way and it will take decades for things to really improve there. One minister decided to pass the bank debts on to the tax payer, why? Something bonkers like 200 billion euros. The banks must have been as baffled as the tax payer was. What had the tax payer done wrong? Absolutely nothing.
My suggestion for what it's worth is to stop watching the news and reading the tabloids. The shock and fear factor is not really helping anyone.
Continually market your business. even if it is just dropping leaflets either side of every customer and sticking cards in newsagents windows. It never ceases to amaze me that so many of my new customers are thrilled to get a regular wc. The new customers our out there. At least a third of my customers will be getting their gutters done over the next couple of months and while specialist equipment makes it safer and cleaner to do, you can still do a good job off a ladder, so no expense involved. Get out there..
{I am only at home cos the van is getting mended :-) }
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It looks to me as if there are some who are burying their heads in the sand, especially those who are saying that they are unaffected by the current economic climate. Before my relocation to Ireland in July I was one of those who was doing well enough to have work coming at me from all angles, so I also felt that this would last forever.
Since my move, I have started up my new round from scratch. I am telling you that it is very tough here. I am finding work, but it is much harder to get established here than in Blighty. No-one has the confidence to spend any money, and window cleaning is way down the list of priorities here.
Don't get me wrong, I am not a doom and gloom merchant, but I am seeing a lot of people struggling to survive here. That is reality. So let's not take anything for granted just because we may be doing well now. It could all go belly up tomorrow, and there would be little if anything we can do about it when things really do start to fall apart..
John
Total cost of bank bailout in Ireland - around £10K per person. Total cost in UK (assuming share resales go at a reasonable price) about £200 per person.
Completely different worlds. Ireland crashed from a boom that had LONG been described as unsustainable. The crash was always going to be very hard.
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I reckon Western society, as we currently know it, is going to collapse within the next five years. There's not enough money in the World to cover the current World debt.
Borrow £10 from me and the net position for the World is unchanged. No matter how much is lent, someone is lending and someone is borrowing, so the world as a whole is not indebted to anyone. Unless the"World" is borrowing money from Aliens.
Thus, the second part of the quote is impossible, so I'll take part one with a pinch of salt.
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I reckon Western society, as we currently know it, is going to collapse within the next five years. There's not enough money in the World to cover the current World debt.
Borrow £10 from me and the net position for the World is unchanged. No matter how much is lent, someone is lending and someone is borrowing, so the world as a whole is not indebted to anyone. Unless the"World" is borrowing money from Aliens.
Thus, the second part of the quote is impossible, so I'll take part one with a pinch of salt.
they are not borrowing and lending money much anymore rather they are just printing the stuff with nothing to back the currency up with, this can only lead to a major rise in inflation which is what we are beginning to see now, all past major civilisations including rome and greece have basically gone down the pan by devaluing their currency.
if you use real currency to value items then you realise how much our currency has been devalued, ten years ago you would require approximately 300 ounces of gold to buy an average house at todays rate you would need about 200 ounces of gold so our currency has been devalued by a large percentage, as for what lays ahead i havnt got a clue all we can do is try to adapt as things change.
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printing money by BOE makes me laugh.
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It looks to me as if there are some who are burying their heads in the sand, especially those who are saying that they are unaffected by the current economic climate. Before my relocation to Ireland in July I was one of those who was doing well enough to have work coming at me from all angles, so I also felt that this would last forever.
Since my move, I have started up my new round from scratch. I am telling you that it is very tough here. I am finding work, but it is much harder to get established here than in Blighty. No-one has the confidence to spend any money, and window cleaning is way down the list of priorities here.
Don't get me wrong, I am not a doom and gloom merchant, but I am seeing a lot of people struggling to survive here. That is reality. So let's not take anything for granted just because we may be doing well now. It could all go belly up tomorrow, and there would be little if anything we can do about it when things really do start to fall apart..
John
Total cost of bank bailout in Ireland - around £10K per person. Total cost in UK (assuming share resales go at a reasonable price) about £200 per person.
Completely different worlds. Ireland crashed from a boom that had LONG been described as unsustainable. The crash
was always going to be very hard.
I agree its going to be very hard , but the figures are much worse than you think , check this out
http://www.economist.com/content/global_debt_clock
its no good trying to give sheeples advice or a heads up , they beleive the s%*t they read in the mail and watch on the the 10 o clock news and think there well informed
if you know about whats coming or not , i dont think it matters there is nothing we can do about it :'(
so crack on regardless ::)