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UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: Supreme clean window cleaning on October 12, 2011, 09:05:45 pm
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Is there any way I can make the hogwash turn it's self on when the temps get below a certain temp and where do I get it from Thanks for your reply
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Anyone know a way or not posable
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try fitting one of these, havent tried myself but should work - http://www.wintecs.co.uk/catalog/Water+Fed+Components-Pump+Controllers/c126_136/p1170/The+Frost+Stat+-+Digital+Pump+Controller/product_info.html
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The Frost stat Controller has additional cables to trigger a heater and a temp sensor. So short answer is yes
Slightly longer answer with a bit more detail below.
when the user switches off the control at the end of the day the display goes blank and the control enters a sleep mode. This is because the processor is still operating and running occasional tests to check for operation. In sleep mode the control is drawing 50 milliamps or less. The Frost stat will be in frost protect mode at this point.
The trigger for the control is when the water temp reaches 2C and will then switch on the heater and pump, the control will run the pump and heater for a pre set period of 13minutes. The water is heated to approx 4C
The pre set timing cycle in frost protect is based on the experience of a number of cleaners and speaking to some of the other WFP suppliers it was felt that less would not warm the water sufficiently, longer would be over kill and heat the water more than was needed. It is a difficult balance to strike heat the water to little and you have the heater constantly powering up. To high and the principle of hot water freezing quicker than cold applies.
The unknown here is how much gas the system may need during the night, as due to variations in air/water temperature - location - any lagging you may have on your tank will have an impact of how often the heater runs.
During normal operation during the working day the controller will also display the water temp you are working with.
Ian
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The Frost stat Controller has additional cables to trigger a heater and a temp sensor. So short answer is yes
Slightly longer answer with a bit more detail below.
when the user switches off the control at the end of the day the display goes blank and the control enters a sleep mode. This is because the processor is still operating and running occasional tests to check for operation. In sleep mode the control is drawing 50 milliamps or less. The Frost stat will be in frost protect mode at this point.
The trigger for the control is when the water temp reaches 2C and will then switch on the heater and pump, the control will run the pump and heater for a pre set period of 13minutes. The water is heated to approx 4C
The pre set timing cycle in frost protect is based on the experience of a number of cleaners and speaking to some of the other WFP suppliers it was felt that less would not warm the water sufficiently, longer would be over kill and heat the water more than was needed. It is a difficult balance to strike heat the water to little and you have the heater constantly powering up. To high and the principle of hot water freezing quicker than cold applies.
The unknown here is how much gas the system may need during the night, as due to variations in air/water temperature - location - any lagging you may have on your tank will have an impact of how often the heater runs.
During normal operation during the working day the controller will also display the water temp you are working with.
Ian
These frost stat/protection controls are available now from WFP Distributors. You can also find details on our web site on the controls page.
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Surely this needs a go for the price...
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/DC-12V-Digital-Temperature-Controller-Thermostat-C-/150607838650?pt=UK_BOI_Electrical_Test_Measurement_Equipment_ET&hash=item2310ed3dba
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That would work if you just want to monitor temp, In fairness to both Nat,s controller and our frost stat, both controllers are very different when compared to a low cost aquarium heater. Both controls do far more than just monitor temp.
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Yeh but if all you need it to do is switch on the pump when it drops below certain temp and off when it raises to certain...you dont need much else do ya.
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The Aquarium heater/monitor is not going to turn the pump on, it will display the temp.
The frost protect controllers give people a different solution to the problem of freezing systems in a Van.
There are a number of ways of achieving this both ours and Nats control are able to control the process automatically, and power not just the pump but also fire up a heater generate circulation through the system and do so in a cost effective way minimising the amount of fuel and battery power required. Once the preset temp is reached it shuts everything down.
There are some very good quality complete hot water systems out there which feature a controller to manage the process.
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I dont know anything about these aquarium controllers but from what i can see it would switch the pump on and off.
Its a controller, it has to control something?? It has a loading switch, put the pump inline and that would work within the range set.
Then if you had a heater such as the fogwash which is what the original poster was speaking of, it self ignites.
Tell me if im wrong what else would it be used for?
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I am no expert on aquarium heaters either, looking at the details it is described as temperature controller. It does not appear to have any means of connecting to or controlling a pump.
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(http://www.engineershop.net/qita/wenkong2.jpg)
Gotta hook it up to power supply, and the probe plugs in, so must plug it into the "loading" or "function control"
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I think we going to have to agree to disagree personally I do not think this aquarium temperature controller was designed for WFP or control a pump and water flow rates. I can not see it being a match for a properly developed and purpose designed WFP pump control.
In the end it has to come down to the individual and what they are looking to achieve, There are a number of ways of protecting a a WFP system against freezing - personally I would not use something designed for an aquarium.
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Im not argueing :) Just saying that i think it would work. I did a small bit of electronics in school, its just a basic switch that is controlled by temperature, we did similar switches that were controlled by light and darness turning on and off.
Im a DIY'er mate, im sure your setup works very well but i always look for alternatives, and cheaper lol. Harris pole is my favourite ;)
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:)No Problem You may be right - just not a road I would go down. There is nothing wrong with experiment and discussion after all that what the forum is about.
I claim to do DIY in my case it rarely looks the way I Expect. I find if you stand at certain angle shelves always look level ;D
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:)No Problem You may be right - just not a road I would go down. There is nothing wrong with experiment and discussion after all that what the forum is about.
I claim to do DIY in my case it rarely looks the way I Expect. I find if you stand at certain angle shelves always look level ;D
Ah now house DIY is a different matter...im with you on that one mate, i cant even hang a picture ;D
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:)No Problem You may be right - just not a road I would go down. There is nothing wrong with experiment and discussion after all that what the forum is about.
I claim to do DIY in my case it rarely looks the way I Expect. I find if you stand at certain angle shelves always look level ;D
Ah now house DIY is a different matter...im with you on that one mate, i cant even hang a picture ;D
Glad Im not the only one, can now tell the wife its supposed to look like that LOL ;D
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:)No Problem You may be right - just not a road I would go down. There is nothing wrong with experiment and discussion after all that what the forum is about.
I claim to do DIY in my case it rarely looks the way I Expect. I find if you stand at certain angle shelves always look level ;D
Ah now house DIY is a different matter...im with you on that one mate, i cant even hang a picture ;D
Glad Im not the only one, can now tell the wife its supposed to look like that LOL ;D
The way i look at it mate, real men clean windows, not put pictures up ;D
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Ian I've gotta ask as it's not on your site but how much is yours???
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Ian I've gotta ask as it's not on your site but how much is yours???
Ians controller can be bought here: http://www.wintecs.co.uk/catalog/Water+Fed+Components-Pump+Controllers/c126_136/p1170/The+Frost+Stat+-+Digital+Pump+Controller/product_info.html
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Thanks Nat, so I'm guessing the difference between yours and Ian's is that his has the the pump controller built in as well where yours is a stand alone unit?
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Mine has digital pump control AND remote control functions built in. ;D ;D ;D
The difference is Ian's one is "in stock" now, and is a tried & tested product.
Mine is new and untested, and it won't even be shipped for another 6 weeks,.. so while I think you're getting more for your money, you can't get any independent reviews from previous users & you'd need to take a leap of faith!
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Ian I've gotta ask as it's not on your site but how much is yours???
Hi Scott The controller is offered through WFP distributors. The simple reason is they can offer the units for less than we could + you get lots of support and back up both through the distributors and from us.
Nat has kindly provided details of one of the WFP distributors - All the main WFP distributors carry some stock of these - they will run with a diesel or gas heater, The control has an output to a heater.
Ian