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UK Floor Cleaning Forum => Carpet Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: Mike_Roper on October 10, 2011, 12:44:48 pm

Title: They give us a bad name
Post by: Mike_Roper on October 10, 2011, 12:44:48 pm
I wonder how often this happens-
Got a call from a customer from York who 's holiday cottage I do in Whitby to book some work in.While your on the phone she asked if I could recommend a machine for her to use at home, isa vax or similar ok for about £100. You are wasting your time with anything like that, just get someone in to do them.I did she said , but they were wet for days. Get someone who's been recommended you obviously got a duffer.
The thing is they had been recommended and wait for it used washing powder in the machine!!
If It wasnt for the fact that she used e in Whitby so knew how it should be done she could assume thats what to expect so hence might as well do your own.
How often does that happen?
Mike     
Title: Re: They give us a bad name
Post by: Phil Taylor on October 10, 2011, 01:02:32 pm
Washing powder or Bold Gel can be used to clean nylon carpets (not wool) with brilliant results. This is the same stuff we all use on a daily basis to clean our nylon clothes. Not recommended BUT it can be used  ;D

It would have been the obvious overwetting!!

Title: Re: They give us a bad name
Post by: Mike_Roper on October 10, 2011, 01:26:39 pm
But why would you??
Title: Re: They give us a bad name
Post by: The Great One on October 10, 2011, 01:58:33 pm
When you use an enzyme product you are basically using Persil or other washing liquid, just without the suds!

Martin 8)
Title: Re: They give us a bad name
Post by: Colin Day on October 10, 2011, 02:04:15 pm
Is using a washing powder that much cheaper than using the proper stuff ???

And... isn't it detrimental to the pump head if washing powder is allowed to pass through it?

If the answers are yes... and no, I might have to pop over to Tesco.... :D
Title: Re: They give us a bad name
Post by: Phil Taylor on October 10, 2011, 03:52:02 pm
Is using a washing powder that much cheaper than using the proper stuff ???

And... isn't it detrimental to the pump head if washing powder is allowed to pass through it?

If the answers are yes... and no, I might have to pop over to Tesco.... :D

Yes.
No. (washing machines also have water pumps)

I also know of someone who mixes comfort with water in a spray bottle and mists in the air and on the carpet afterwards, another cheaper way of 'deodorising'  ;D It actually does the job really well....

Title: Re: They give us a bad name
Post by: Colin Day on October 10, 2011, 03:58:51 pm
The water passes through a plastic impeller in a washing machine though, doesn't it...?

Where as a pump head is obviously aluminium and steel...
Title: Re: They give us a bad name
Post by: Paul Moss on October 10, 2011, 05:00:36 pm
If a customer see's the tech mixing the extraction powder with water ( eg  powerburst etc) it will look just like soap powder to her  ???

She does not know any difference.

Wet for days , then that is down to the tech as she will know the difference there.
Title: Re: They give us a bad name
Post by: L.Doubtfire - The Blade Runner on October 10, 2011, 05:21:16 pm
Many,well a good few years ago now,a leading manufacturer
Of hot water extraction machines used a pump that was also
Used in a leading make of automatic washing machine.
I used to use many products,high foam,low foam,`spotters
Etc. etc. that are made for the laundry industry with I might
Add superb results.
A bit  like some cotton print chairs and 3 piece suits.The material
Is the same as some ladies / girls dresses / skirts are made out
Of.( Well sorry that’s not the same,but it is getting towards
`that neck of the woods`)
When I first got my upholstery `nap`brush,a London company
In 1976 were charging £4. 50p. Plus VAT. For.
I got mine,the very same brush for 70 pence off my local market
Stall. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) :) :) :) :) :) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8)


Lewis  Doubtfire
Title: Re: They give us a bad name
Post by: AshWhite on October 10, 2011, 05:31:54 pm
Sorry Lewis
I have to ask
But why do you
always 'write' your posts
like you're writing
a 'sonnet'
especially with the
random 'apostorphe' marks?
It makes it quite difficult
to 'read'!

 ;D
Title: Re: They give us a bad name
Post by: The Great One on October 10, 2011, 05:49:53 pm
Is using a washing powder that much cheaper than using the proper stuff ???

And... isn't it detrimental to the pump head if washing powder is allowed to pass through it?

If the answers are yes... and no, I might have to pop over to Tesco.... :D

Yes.
No. (washing machines also have water pumps)

I also know of someone who mixes comfort with water in a spray bottle and mists in the air and on the carpet afterwards, another cheaper way of 'deodorising'  ;D It actually does the job really well....



Hi

As biological persil is a Biological agent then it will kill bacteria and therefore kill any odour (bacteria decaying creates the smell)

Martin 8)
Title: Re: They give us a bad name
Post by: Phil Taylor on October 10, 2011, 05:59:31 pm
If a customer see's the tech mixing the extraction powder with water ( eg  powerburst etc) it will look just like soap powder to her  ???

She does not know any difference.

Wet for days , then that is down to the tech as she will know the difference there.

Now that makes alot of sense  :o  ???  ???  ???  ???
Title: Re: They give us a bad name
Post by: AshWhite on October 10, 2011, 06:04:04 pm
He's saying that maybe it was proper CC chems that we're being used, but to the customer it all looks the same. However, any pleb can tell the difference between a wet carpet and a dry carpet- this cannot be mistaken.
Title: Re: They give us a bad name
Post by: Shaun_Ashmore on October 10, 2011, 06:07:26 pm
What about resoiling?

Washing powder etc are made to be washed out with the final rinse many extraction products will dry to a powder or non dirt attracting residue Doug may add to this.

Shaun
Title: Re: They give us a bad name
Post by: L.Doubtfire - The Blade Runner on October 10, 2011, 06:16:02 pm
There ya go fella`s,whack some Persil into ya Steamer

 :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o

P.S.  AshWhite,just thought it looked appropriate as to what
I`m writing.
Title: Re: They give us a bad name
Post by: Andy Hogarth on October 10, 2011, 06:26:11 pm
Mike, ask her who it was, There are some seriously dodgy guys round here doing carpets, usually at ridiculous prices!!

I'm in York if she wants it doing properly...........'ish  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: They give us a bad name
Post by: Steve Rothwell on October 10, 2011, 06:29:51 pm
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Mike, ask her who it was, There are some seriously dodgy guys round here doing carpets, usually at ridiculous prices!!


yeah ...................................






how can they justify the expense  ................ just because they have a truckie to run..



 ;D ;D
Title: Re: They give us a bad name
Post by: Andy Hogarth on October 10, 2011, 06:31:55 pm
and persil to buy!!
 ;D ;D
Title: Re: They give us a bad name
Post by: Neil Williams on October 10, 2011, 07:35:06 pm
Washing powder or Bold Gel can be used to clean nylon carpets (not wool) with brilliant results. This is the same stuff we all use on a daily basis to clean our nylon clothes.

Why isn't there a smilie in the shape of a clown when you want one ;D
Most carpet cleaning products don't need a lot of rinsing, infact there are some that don't need rinsing at all. Try washing your clothes without the rinse cycle and see how your skin deals with that. :-X
Washing machine work on a 40 minute or more cycle, when was the last time any of us ever spent 40 minutes working the same area of carpet, so there's a reason why manufacturers spent money on R&D as opposed to buying in 10 tons of persil and repackaging as a carpet cleaning product.
Title: Re: They give us a bad name
Post by: Steve Rothwell on October 10, 2011, 07:58:59 pm
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when was the last time any of us ever spent 40 minutes working the same area of carpet,

last week Neil........................ it was a bloody shadow that I thought was a stain



damn my bad eyes..

 ;D ;D
Title: Re: They give us a bad name
Post by: Mike_Roper on October 11, 2011, 08:37:13 am
The point is not what we think,but the impression the lady got made her consider buying a cheap machine to diy.
Take rom it what you will but I know what I think !
Mike
Title: Re: They give us a bad name
Post by: robert meldrum on October 11, 2011, 10:42:39 am
I use powder which I've decanted into small tubs for convenience but I always make a point of telling the customer it's NOT what it says on the label.

A fair number of people ask about the chemicals / powder I use and I simply tell them they could buy it from a janitorial supplier but it comes in very large tubs showing them the buckets I use for filling and it costs from £40 -£80 per bucket ( not exactly true as I only pay about £16 but some cost a lot more )

I also make the point that it's specially formulated to be very low foaming, easily rinsed out and non resoiling.

Title: Re: They give us a bad name
Post by: john martin on October 11, 2011, 12:32:34 pm
some of the newer  washing machines liquids seem to contain no foaming agents ( usually SLES  ) which i'd say added for visual effect more than anything .

heres a suitable one ...' Formil bio/nonbio '  from Lidl 

Its cheap and concentrate ... contains everything you'd find on some of the pro cc products ...  was thinking of making up 20 liters for nuckin thrashed rentals etc ... which often dont deserve your £££ products  ? ...
Doesn't foam but you could add more defoam or some perfume Deodorizer to make it your own ...   :)