Clean It Up
UK Floor Cleaning Forum => Carpet Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: Phil Taylor on October 10, 2011, 09:45:25 am
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For all those that are thinking of starting out in this business and read on here you need this that and the other, then please don't waste your money. We went from a Twin vac to triple vac to Puzzi 100. In conjunction with the Puzzi we use the sebo. As long as you do good prep work then the results are the same. If something goes wrong with it you simply throw the thing away and buy a new one. It's lightwight, easy to set up within minutes, is robust and gets the job done. :D
So don't waste £2 - £4k on new expensive gear when you can easily do the work for less than £700!
Looks aren't everything, people just want a clean carpet at a good price!
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Damn!!! the money i have wasted! if i had read this post many years ago i could of saved myself ££££
Then again some of us on here find investing in good equipment, chemicals and training separates the the people who are just out to make a quick buck.
Yes people do want a clean carpet at a good price and most punters in the UK right now will hire the services of a carpet cleaner based purely on price.
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Sure Phil ;)
But then You waken up in a cold sweat and think " I'm not really going out to face the world with such a massive handicap "
Last week I did in fact do exactly what your headline says having tripped switches too often and gone down to a single vac, which decided it's vacuum wanted to retire and ended up with a Puzzi 100 which allowed me to complete a job.
What I should have done was combine the solution delivery from the Sabrina and continued to extract with the vacs.
Even if anyone contemplated using a small machine like the Puzzi ..............they could use it with the little powerbrush which would give a better result than the Sebo.
As posted elsewhere I've used Puzzis on small jobs in the past and would still use them in emergencies but you can get a far superior machine from several suppliers from less than £500 with a lot more grunt at both ends.
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Morning guys as professionals we probably have a different idea of what a clean carpet is compared to the occupant but if most of your work is rentals where you arent looking for recommendations then if the job you do gets the occupants deposit back then yes why not just use a little inexpensive piece of kit although as robert says the sabrina maxi or similar is cheap and packs a decent punch too.............Alan
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I have a 100+ room hotel to do next week, so if any one wants to buy a low mileage Sprinter and a low Hours Maxx 470, i can then buy a Puzzi and
100 buckets to keep me going
Andrew
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The sabrina maxi pushes out 130psi with a single 1 x 2 stage vac. The vac IMO is just not good enough to recover the amount of water you would like. Ok, the puzzi has only 1 x 2 stage BUT it only pumps out 40-60psi, BIG differnce. I've used a Sabrina and it leaves the carpets really wet!
Karcher Puzzi 100 75 years in business and still going strong! It sucks up the water and gets the job done, that's all I want!!
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Problem I have is this is your first topiic.
You did not explain why you went from a twin Vac to a triple vac. The Triple vac did not meet your expectations.
What were you hoping to achieve.
You have probably been in industry sometime
Filling up a smaller is a bind its stop start stop start
I agree that there is probably not a lot of difference between puzi , rug doctor and entry level machine from leading suppliers.
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Problem I have is this is your first topiic.
You did not explain why you went from a twin Vac to a triple vac. The Triple vac did not meet your expectations.
What were you hoping to achieve.
You have probably been in industry sometime
Filling up a smaller is a bind its stop start stop start
I agree that there is probably not a lot of difference between puzi , rug doctor and entry level machine from leading suppliers.
We went from the large machines down to a puzzi because of the length of time it was taking us to set up (now we're up and running in 10 mins), because of the weight of these twin/triple vacs, they really aren't portable, we get alot of domestic smaller rooms (upstairs, no lift etc) and with one hand we can now take the sebo, puzzi in all together (the wand and hoses sit on the machine) and we're away.
Hoping to achieve not having to take in long hoses, bulky weighty machine, buckets, bottles, spotters, solutions etc etc in the custys house. Now we only take 2 items in. We also only use the Karcher powder which I think is ph 8.
Been in the industry for 33 years.
Filling can be a bind yes, but you get used to that. But there again when your kicking out 400 - 600 psi with a porty you're also filling up alot too?
Puzzi is far better than a rug doctor, again I've had ago at a RD, the Puzzi really 'pulls' on the carpet!!
Well, I'm a Puzzi convert at £300 a throw it's a no brainer. There is no way I would waste thousands on a new set up, I only wished I had done this years ago. The Puzzi 300 & 400 look the part but your going heavier again.
The business I do I wanna be in and out, get the job done, spray down, sebo, extract with Puzzi, turbo dry and away - simples!!
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Hi
Not sure if this thread is a wind up or not?
Anyway I'm hiring one for a week for £47, using my own chems (and supreb expertiseof course ;D ) and so far it has earn't me £300 with another £60 tomorrow and maybe some more by the weeks end. i also find with lots of dry passes that the carpet is not too damp at the end.
Martin 8)
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Chances are this might be windup ;D but if not -
Your 33 years experience is probably why you can get results from basic equipment . I would agree that some machines have become overweight and have unnecessary features to be fully portable , but i would draw the line at something like the light 30kg twin vac aqua 40+ ... are you so busy that making two trips to the van for gear insted of one makes a real difference to you ? I trust you cant leave the puzzi outside and run a hose throughout the house like you might with with twin vac , so the puzzi has to be near youall the time , adding to noise and inconvience in the house . Not to mention the constant filling/emptying ...poor suction ..no heat
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I've used Puzzi's in the car valet business , I must admit, they were adequate for a car seat and extracting the water from floor mats that have been pressure washed.
I run my Jaguar from the van which feeds from a 130 litre auxiliary tank and runs through a Mytee Hot for steamy hot water at the wand. Sets up in about 10-15minute including meeting the customer and exchanging pleasantry's "That's a lovely dress, Mr Johnston....!" ;D..
I think I'd be a fool not to sell all my equipment and buy me a Puzzi..
Thank you Philip, for making me see the light.... ;)
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"The business I do I wanna be in and out, get the job done, spray down, sebo, extract with Puzzi, turbo dry and away - simples!!"
Otherwise referred to as "Splash & Dash"....
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Chances are this might be windup ;D but if not -
Your 33 years experience is probably why you can get results from basic equipment . I would agree that some machines have become overweight and have unnecessary features to be fully portable , but i would draw the line at something like the light 30kg twin vac aqua 40+ ... are you so busy that making two trips to the van for gear insted of one makes a real difference to you ? I trust you cant leave the puzzi outside and run a hose throughout the house like you might with with twin vac , so the puzzi has to be near youall the time , adding to noise and inconvience in the house . Not to mention the constant filling/emptying ...poor suction ..no heat
I never said I couldn't get results from basic equipment??? Far from it, we achieve excellent results. I have still got the two other machines I mentions and yes I've done all that leave them outside run the hoses in etc, but that was why we switched, the hassle of doing all that. We have 3 Puzzi in a 2man team, yes they are close by us, but that isn't an issue, the puzzi is not noisy, and it is LESS of a hassle for the customer because she don't have to worry about tripping over the hoses, buckets, ground sheet etc, our puzzi and sebo are in the same room as we're working.
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"The business I do I wanna be in and out, get the job done, spray down, sebo, extract with Puzzi, turbo dry and away - simples!!"
Otherwise referred to as "Splash & Dash"....
No we are not that I can assure you ;D
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This is the same set up (sorry about the music)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l4rwAzvF2-E
and (now this guy does it how we do it but we sebo in between)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-V4qCp13T30
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I run my Jaguar from the van which feeds from a 130 litre auxiliary tank and runs through a Mytee Hot for steamy hot water at the wand. Sets up in about 10-15minute including meeting the customer and exchanging pleasantry's "That's a lovely dress, Mr Johnston....!" ;D..
and it's cost you a fortune, alot of the times you cant get parked close to the property, can't use it for flats, you gotta run hose out, solutions line, 2 sets of leads to the house, extensions leads etc. By the time you've done all that I've cleaned half the room and eating me chocy biccie ;D
How much do you sell your ice creams for in that thing BTW? ;D ;D
Na, I've done all the big machine thingy, leaving it in the van, dragging it in doors, running hoses all over the place, believe me, we are very happy doing it this way, the quick way, using a sebo and puzzi.
Of course your going to defend your new investment, why shouldn't you?? But I wouldn't have parted with a single penny especially with a machine that looks like a 1970's dust cart :-[ sorry, just saying it how it is....
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I've used Puzzi's in the car valet business , I must admit, they were adequate for a car seat and extracting the water from floor mats that have been pressure washed.
I run my Jaguar from the van which feeds from a 130 litre auxiliary tank and runs through a Mytee Hot for steamy hot water at the wand. Sets up in about 10-15minute including meeting the customer and exchanging pleasantry's "That's a lovely dress, Mr Johnston....!" ;D..
I think I'd be a fool not to sell all my equipment and buy me a Puzzi..
Thank you Philip, for making me see the light.... ;)
Hi Colin I have the jag too and was wondering about which inline to get. I have the powerflite and love the hot factor from it. How do you find the mytee heat? Ive read mixed reports!!
Bren
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Chances are this might be windup ;D but if not -
Your 33 years experience is probably why you can get results from basic equipment . I would agree that some machines have become overweight and have unnecessary features to be fully portable , but i would draw the line at something like the light 30kg twin vac aqua 40+ ... are you so busy that making two trips to the van for gear insted of one makes a real difference to you ? I trust you cant leave the puzzi outside and run a hose throughout the house like you might with with twin vac , so the puzzi has to be near youall the time , adding to noise and inconvience in the house . Not to mention the constant filling/emptying ...poor suction ..no heat
I never said I couldn't get results from basic equipment??? Far from it, we achieve excellent results. I have still got the two other machines I mentions and yes I've done all that leave them outside run the hoses in etc, but that was why we switched, the hassle of doing all that. We have 3 Puzzi in a 2man team, yes they are close by us, but that isn't an issue, the puzzi is not noisy, and it is LESS of a hassle for the customer because she don't have to worry about tripping over the hoses, buckets, ground sheet etc, our puzzi and sebo are in the same room as we're working.
Thats not what i said ... after 33 years im sure you'd get good results with a brush and bucket ...
chances are you have a lifetime of repeat business that dont care what your doing in there because it worked before .... and you dont bother with the rough stuff
That is if your winding us up ;D
lol at the jaguar roast ..... ;D
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The business I do I wanna be in and out, get the job done, spray down, sebo, extract with truckmount, turbo dry and away - simples!!
Changing one word in that sentence is the difference between cleaning a carpet and getting it wet ;)
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Sorry if the look of my Jaguar offends you Phil, I wasn't sure myself about the Jag to be honest, especially when I was letting my Ferrari Red Triple Vac Alltec go... But do you know something, the auto-dump feature is especially my favourite bit, as emtying a machine is a bit of a chore. I suppose you won't need to worry to much about emptying buckets, as your Puzzi won't really suck that much dirty water back up from the carpet.... :P
If you haven't used a Jag, you don't know what you're missing.... ;)
Bren, I love the Mytee heat, I did a filthy pub carpet yesterday and had constant heat. It is variable heat though, which is to be expected.
I'm hoping to be running a 'Zeta' soon, as the propane option seems to be taking a while.... :-\
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Most people buy more powerful equipment for speed and reduced wear and tear on the body. That way you can work all day if you want or be home by two and make a good daily wedge.
Faffing around with Puzzis suggests a combination of lack of funds and plenty of time on their hands.
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I can understand where this guy is coming from... sometimes you do have to deal with a carpet which maybe in a small bedroom up 4 flights of stairs and a small powerful extractor machine might be just the thing... its horses for courses so i guess Philip is kind of limited to the smaller jobs rather than the larger ones.
Because his equipment is cheaper he can therefore charge a much lower price than lets say someone who has a 15k truck mount set up.
Like Colin my background is in car valeting... when valeting meant more than a slippery looking guy with a Borat accent washing your car in a track suit and leather jacket!
Give the UK public cheap and they will choose cheap everytime! thats what this great country has been reduced to!!!
As for the Jag... it may not be the best looking machine on the market but its practical and it bridges a gap in the market between porty and TM...
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So Philip did you sell your triple vac or are you saying you just end up using your Puzzi on most jobs you do?
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Shouldn't people read all the posts before commenting. I did mention earlier that yes we still have a twin & triple but they are sitting on our vans doing nothing. We will only use them for large full houses or commercial work. Everything else, small one off jobs, gets the puzzi treatment. We can't tell any difference in quality of our work, it's the same. The only fact is we're alot quicker, no fuss, in and out, job done.
We don't charge low prices either.
take a look at this guy using the Jag, all the hoses, leads, it's all hassle to set up
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxhO4SLDaSI&feature=related
I'm sorry but we'll keep doing it the easier way. ;D
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I have an extra cable running to the house than he does. Ohh the complications that brings about... :-*
It's really no problem for me, I have got a routine going where by once I have switched the machine on, I don't have to stop working. I have plenty of acid rinse in my water tank and like I said, the auto dump takes care of the emptying. It's all about being organised and if you can't organise, then yeah, a Puzzi is a great option....
If I need to use more than 2 hoses, I prefer to lift the machine out of the van and work it from outside the door of the house. Again, no dramas!, the Jag is one of the lighter or at least, well balanced machines on the market.
Have a dig at the Jag all you like fella, I won't lose any sleep over it. In my opinion, if you've not had the chance to use one, your opinion is worth Jack ....!
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I'm not having a 'dig' at the Jag or any other porty. The Jag to me looks 'cat' but performs well, my opinion. You're bound to defend your 'baby', good luck to you, but our days of running around after hoses are long over. :)
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I didn't get on with my Jag at first. I'll be honest and say it was mainly down to it's looks, then of course, none of us like change either. I had to change the way I worked, the way I'd got comfortable with. But now, I'm chuffed to pieces!!!
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This is the same set up (sorry about the music)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l4rwAzvF2-E
and (now this guy does it how we do it but we sebo in between)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-V4qCp13T30
And people wonder why they get resoiling.
Philip if this is your standard of cleaning then your a million miles away sun shine.
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Shouldn't people read all the posts before commenting. I did mention earlier that yes we still have a twin & triple but they are sitting on our vans doing nothing. We will only use them for large full houses or commercial work. Everything else, small one off jobs, gets the puzzi treatment. We can't tell any difference in quality of our work, it's the same. The only fact is we're alot quicker, no fuss, in and out, job done.
We don't charge low prices either.
take a look at this guy using the Jag, all the hoses, leads, it's all hassle to set up
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxhO4SLDaSI&feature=related
I'm sorry but we'll keep doing it the easier way. ;D
The discipline here is HWE ( HOT WATER EXTRACTION) To clean via extraction, a Puzzi cannot do that on that type of job.
I cant believe im even discussing this, but hey thats why i came back on CIU ;D
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I have just watched the second video and it looks like the guy is using the machines solution sprayer to wet the carpet first then dry extract after?
So do you use the same method Philip but agitate then extract? do you use an acidic rinse when extracting?
Just curious ???
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Shouldn't people read all the posts before commenting. I did mention earlier that yes we still have a twin & triple but they are sitting on our vans doing nothing. We will only use them for large full houses or commercial work. Everything else, small one off jobs, gets the puzzi treatment. We can't tell any difference in quality of our work, it's the same. The only fact is we're alot quicker, no fuss, in and out, job done.
We don't charge low prices either.
take a look at this guy using the Jag, all the hoses, leads, it's all hassle to set up
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxhO4SLDaSI&feature=related
I'm sorry but we'll keep doing it the easier way. ;D
The discipline here is HWE ( HOT WATER EXTRACTION) To clean via extraction, a Puzzi cannot do that on that type of job.
I cant believe im even discussing this, but hey thats why i came back on CIU ;D
Why can't a Puzzi do it on that type of job?
That carpet looks like a 100% polyprop, one of the most easiest carpets to clean, so why cant you HWE it using any machine?
Any EXRACTION machine EXTRACTS water? Doesn't it??
Don't know what you mean ???
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Spanners are spanners, but I wouldn't take my car to a mechanic who buys his at Poundland.
That is of course my opinion, others (including customers) will of course be different.
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Well, we don't all have TM's and nor would I want one.
Seems the TM's brigade strike again "you can't HWE that carpet cos you aint got a trucky", nothing else will do the job, at all (even though Extracta have been going for 35 years, Karcher been selling puzzis for years and years).
Sorry Paul, Ash I'm not in your league but we do know how to clean carpets and do a very good job with the machinery available to us.
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Philip,
It wasn't intended as a criticism - the majority of us are self employed so that we have the freedom to run our business how we want. There's a wide market of work available, some more suitable for Mr A, and some more suitable for Mr B. I'm sure anyone can do a decent job of almost any challenge, but whether they've got the time and patience to do it with one level of equipment or another is up to them.
I don't like doing small areas because it's a pain setting up the TM for it, you may not enjoy doing large open areas because of the workload involved - but like I said; we're all individuals. Joe Bloggs could clean carpets using a bucket and sponge for all I care, makes no difference to me whatsoever.
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Spanners are spanners, but I wouldn't take my car to a mechanic who buys his at Poundland.
That is of course my opinion, others (including customers) will of course be different.
Nail on the head..... ;)
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Spanners are spanners, but I wouldn't take my car to a mechanic who buys his at Poundland.
That is of course my opinion, others (including customers) will of course be different.
Nail on the head..... ;)
I got a hammer Colin ......
oops sorry forgot................
you do the funnies
:P :P
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Spanners are spanners, but I wouldn't take my car to a mechanic who buys his at Poundland.
That is of course my opinion, others (including customers) will of course be different.
Nail on the head..... ;)
I got a hammer Colin ......
oops sorry forgot................
you do the funnies
:P :P
Yeah... badly..... ;D
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While the job is easier with more power many know perfectly well that they can achieve excellent results from a variety of cleaning methods and most avoid posting on here for fear of ridicule from others who think they are the only people who get good results because they use T/M's but we know that cleaning whether it's carpets or hard surfaces or dishes is never done to the same standard by two people.
Having or thinking you work to the highest standards may, in someone elses opinion be working to mediocre standards and thinking that the most powerful machine will make you an expert is folly.
If Phil does what he claims and prepares the carpet by vacuuming and prespraying prior rinsing / extracting with a low powered machine he probably gets as good a result as some who imagine the powerful machine does all the work.
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I find that most of the people who post on truckmounts have never used one :)
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Would that be " about " truckmounts ::)
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true............
likewise most people who "diss" LM cleaning have never done it or seen it done...
people are scared of what they don't know about...
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Lot of truth in that Hector. Then there's the people who just go out and work year in year out with a 10 year old machine they bought from new as it does the job and makes them money.
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which is what we are all in the business for at the end of the day ................
whether it be a lot of money ........... or enough to tick over..........
we should each do what we want to do because we want to do it...
not because it is deemed to be the way as decreed by others...
ooeerr
glad that is off my chest...... ;D
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I have a puzzi 100 on my van, its a great bit of kit and I use it for emergencies and spotting.
I think its great, because the end of the wand is transparent plastic you can see it sucking up the dirty water and you can keep going until it runs clear, so it must be clean then right!
To be honest I dont know the spec of the puzzi 100 but it does only come with about 7 foot of hosing so even if the vac is the same you would get in a henry its not going to do a bad job on a small area, it is in all honesty not practicle on anything but spotting or short term emergency situations for a number of reasons:
a: If you cleaning stairs you have to balance the puzzi between you and the next step as the hose is so short
b: Your back will hurt after about 30 minutes of using the floor wand
c: You have to empty it every 10 minutes
d: A customer will never say to you "wow thats massive I never thought it would be that big" and are more likely to say "are you taking the pi$$,Ii could of hired one of them and done it myself"
That said I am sure the OP knows what he is doing with all his years experience.
Tony
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This thread has been very entertaining.
Strike me down with a bolt of lightning but all this denial...... Can't help feeling smug!
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I have a puzzi 100 on my van, its a great bit of kit and I use it for emergencies and spotting.
I think its great, because the end of the wand is transparent plastic you can see it sucking up the dirty water and you can keep going until it runs clear, so it must be clean then right!
To be honest I dont know the spec of the puzzi 100 but it does only come with about 7 foot of hosing so even if the vac is the same you would get in a henry its not going to do a bad job on a small area, it is in all honesty not practicle on anything but spotting or short term emergency situations for a number of reasons:
a: If you cleaning stairs you have to balance the puzzi between you and the next step as the hose is so short
b: Your back will hurt after about 30 minutes of using the floor wand
c: You have to empty it every 10 minutes
That said I am sure the OP knows what he is doing with all his years experience.
Tony
Yeap, very true but as I say for those jobs that we need to impress or for larger areas we have other weaponary in our armourment 8)
Also like the comment about cleaner's afraid of being ridiculed on here if you post what machine or method you use, if it doesn't fit in with the crowd etc. ;D
It's like the freemasons on here :o
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Someone get the guy his coat ;D
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Yeap, very true but as I say for those jobs that we need to impress or for larger areas we have other weaponary in our armourment
Also like the comment about cleaner's afraid of being ridiculed on here if you post what machine or method you use, if it doesn't fit in with the crowd etc.
It's like the freemasons on here
Bit confused now, you said you used a puzzi 100 to clean and now your saying you dont always use it and you have other equipment? surely it is good enough or it isnt, which is it?
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Lots of window cleaners have similar equipment for doing a bit of carpet cleaning as an extra, as they don't get enough work to warrant a bigger spend, or the ability to charge the going rate for it.
Dave.
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Yeap, very true but as I say for those jobs that we need to impress or for larger areas we have other weaponary in our armourment
Also like the comment about cleaner's afraid of being ridiculed on here if you post what machine or method you use, if it doesn't fit in with the crowd etc.
It's like the freemasons on here
Bit confused now, you said you used a puzzi 100 to clean and now your saying you dont always use it and you have other equipment? surely it is good enough or it isnt, which is it?
I already stated I have a twin and triple vac on vans plus 3 puzzis ;D
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Anyone can knock the Puzzis but I can tell you we reach for them 90% of the time, they do the job, along with the sebo.
We've got the rotary, we've got the big machines as well, but the Puzzi is what we use the majority of the time 8)
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NO, you said you had used twin and triple vac porties and the puzzi with a sebo done just a good a job!
So, i ask you again, it is either good enough or it isnt, or cant you make your mind up?
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Not knocking the puzzi, i already said it was a good machine.
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NO, you said you had used twin and triple vac porties and the puzzi with a sebo done just a good a job!
So, i ask you again, it is either good enough or it isnt, or cant you make your mind up?
You need to re-read the posts. We still have an Exel and an Advance!! Yes, the Puzzi is good enough!! Clear?
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Anyone can knock the Puzzis but I can tell you we reach for them 90% of the time, they do the job, along with the sebo.
We've got the rotary, we've got the big machines as well, but the Puzzi is what we use the majority of the time 8)
Face it, you've got lazy..
If I decided I couldn't be bothered any more, I'd change direction.
You know it makes sense....
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the Puzzi is good enough
Depends whose standards you're working to ;)
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For all those that are thinking of starting out in this business and read on here you need this that and the other, then please don't waste your money. We went from a Twin vac to triple vac to Puzzi 100. In conjunction with the Puzzi we use the sebo. As long as you do good prep work then the results are the same. If something goes wrong with it you simply throw the thing away and buy a new one. It's lightwight, easy to set up within minutes, is robust and gets the job done.
So don't waste £2 - £4k on new expensive gear when you can easily do the work for less than £700!
Looks aren't everything, people just want a clean carpet at a good price!
Above is your original post, clear!!!!!!!
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Anyone can knock the Puzzis but I can tell you we reach for them 90% of the time, they do the job, along with the sebo.
We've got the rotary, we've got the big machines as well, but the Puzzi is what we use the majority of the time 8)
Face it, you've got lazy..
If I decided I couldn't be bothered any more, I'd change direction.
You know it makes sense....
You're probably right Colin, but I have 2 helpers who do most of the work. I now like to work smarter not harder!
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I didn't waste £2 - £4k, I INVESTED a lot more and haven't looked back since :)
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For all those that are thinking of starting out in this business and read on here you need this that and the other, then please don't waste your money. We went from a Twin vac to triple vac to Puzzi 100. In conjunction with the Puzzi we use the sebo. As long as you do good prep work then the results are the same. If something goes wrong with it you simply throw the thing away and buy a new one. It's lightwight, easy to set up within minutes, is robust and gets the job done.
So don't waste £2 - £4k on new expensive gear when you can easily do the work for less than £700!
Looks aren't everything, people just want a clean carpet at a good price!
Above is your original post, clear!!!!!!!
Where does it say we got rid of them, or didn't have them anymore?? It doesn't....
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Anyone can knock the Puzzis but I can tell you we reach for them 90% of the time, they do the job, along with the sebo.
We've got the rotary, we've got the big machines as well, but the Puzzi is what we use the majority of the time 8)
Face it, you've got lazy..
If I decided I couldn't be bothered any more, I'd change direction.
You know it makes sense....
You're probably right Colin, but I have 2 helpers who do most of the work. I now like to work smarter not harder!
I once worked for a bloke like you, Neil. ;)
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So your giving out advise that you dont follow, because YOU still have the other equipment.
So your previous claims must be either unfounded or untrue, if you had complete confidence in your puzzi, as is suggested, even if not spoken, you would not need anything else would you?
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Phil is right just look at the spec why buy any toys for the kids for christmas when they will get plenty in the crackers anyway ;D ::)
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/KARCHER-PUZZI-100-CARPET-EXTRACTION-MACHINE-/120676155827?pt=UK_HomeGarden_CLV_Cleaning_CA&hash=item1c18dc01b3
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Phil is right just look at the spec why buy any toys for the kids for christmas when they will get plenty in the crackers anyway ;D ::)
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/KARCHER-PUZZI-100-CARPET-EXTRACTION-MACHINE-/120676155827?pt=UK_HomeGarden_CLV_Cleaning_CA&hash=item1c18dc01b3
That's a rip off, we bought ours for less than £300 :-*
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Phil would you recommend using a glide with the puzzi?
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I wouldn't insult my customers by turning up with a puzzi 100, good machine or not but it is not a professional machine - far from it.
Simon
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The whole premise of this thread doesn't stand up to scrutiny. I leave my triple vac in the van cos I mainly do small rooms in top floor buildings. If you shelled out for a triple vac, what sort of work would you go after if you had any sense? It's a windup - and a very good one. ;)
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The whole premise of this thread doesn't stand up to scrutiny. I leave my triple vac in the van cos I mainly do small rooms in top floor buildings. If you shelled out for a triple vac, what sort of work would you go after if you had any sense? It's a windup - and a very good one. ;)
It's been great... Forums have been soooo boring lately. Thank god for CIU.... ;D
And Neil Phil, of Course... Good one ;)
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Even I'm becoming paranoid now...which Neil?
Not this one for sure, I was too busy finsihing off 3 days worth of hotel upholstery to have time to look/comment on forums
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also agree its a wind up :D ... mainly because i know it cant be quicker ...
whats a typical job with your puzzi , and when do switch to your twin or triple
nearest i got to a puzzi ... mitey one , i have tried using it , puzzi style ,on smaller rentals but found it almost always quicker to just bring in a bigger machine ... place it in one position ... fill it , run the hose around ...
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Even I'm becoming paranoid now...which Neil?
Not this one for sure, I was too busy finsihing off 3 days worth of hotel upholstery to have time to look/comment on forums
I'm having a stab in the dark that it's Neil47... He's a card, that bloke ;D
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I know a cleaner who does use puzzis and has 2 vans out all the time he is very successful but he does know how to Market, he just sits at home and answers the phone and sends out database.
Shaun
Ps most are repeat jobs but he is IMO very cheap
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OK................It's become a bit more clear now that a raw nerve or two has been touched and a clone has been created to attempt to draw in and ridicule anyone who doesn't own a t/m or mysteriously a rotary ( probably have a particular brand of vacuum and crb added )
Decided to delete the rest of my post.
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Not Me Colin .
But bloke does have a point .
All your Machines do is rinse that's it. some do it with a bit more power but as Phil said smaller machines do a adequate job.
Its what ever you feel you need to satisfy your own insacurites.
the best equipment I have is the right chems and good agitation .
If his puzzis are making him a living then good luck to him ;D
Neil
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In conjunction with the Puzzi we use the sebo. As long as you do good prep work then the results are the same.
What products do you use for pre-spraying and rinsing?
I have a customer that uses a rotary on every job and extracts using a small portable single vac machines with around 50-70psi.
He has very high end clients paying top money.
They use encap products at the cleaning and the rinsing stage and air movers.
Granted he isnt often cleaning EOT/mingers, its all repeats of good quality protected carpet.
I actually cleaned an area at the highest profile golf club in the world last night using a Hydromist Compact
(think Rug Doctor but green) :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[
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Not Me Colin .
But bloke does have a point .
All your Machines do is rinse that's it. some do it with a bit more power but as Phil said smaller machines do a adequate job.
Its what ever you feel you need to satisfy your own insacurites.
the best equipment I have is the right chems and good agitation .
If his puzzis are making him a living then good luck to him ;D
Neil
We'll have to find out who he is and take him to the Blue then Neil.... ;D
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Dont laugh... but this may be a genuine person! i had a flier come through my door with the typical "3 bed house £60.00) offer.. i though hmmm.. interesting so i called and this firm were using these:
(http://media.numatic.com/images/product_stills/00001628.jpg)
Now... i have come from a car valeting background and these machine are probably the best for working on car interiors... robust and reliable and can take some abuse around the workshop.
But really... how long would it take to clean a 3 bedroom house taking into account filling and dumping, a tiny water pump etc?
So it just goes to show that there are people out there using this type of machine to earn a crust...
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I hired out a version of that machine 30 years ago and it actually got very good results although most people asked me to do the cleaning for them.
The first " commercial " machine I ever bought was of a similar design but taller. I think it was a Victor.
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In conjunction with the Puzzi we use the sebo. As long as you do good prep work then the results are the same.
What products do you use for pre-spraying and rinsing?
I have a customer that uses a rotary on every job and extracts using a small portable single vac machines with around 50-70psi.
He has very high end clients paying top money.
They use encap products at the cleaning and the rinsing stage and air movers.
Granted he isnt often cleaning EOT/mingers, its all repeats of good quality protected carpet.
I actually cleaned an area at the highest profile golf club in the world last night using a Hydromist Compact
(think Rug Doctor but green) :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[
Probably the machine I hated most over the years.........................but I loved St Andrews.
The most enjoyable round of my life was played there about 40 years ago. I only shot a two under 70 but every shot was perfect and it just felt so good.
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I used to hire one of those out....
I know someone who has one [up country] and he does really well with it with repeats and referrals :-X
I suppose it's what you get used to....
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They do work but very slow in use. The one.s I had were the old all metal type which were carried up too many stairs as sod's law ( or Murphy's law ) as we say up here usually 4 or 5 up.
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about 40 years ago.
I wasnt even a twinkle in my old mans eye back then.
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In conjunction with the Puzzi we use the sebo. As long as you do good prep work then the results are the same.
What products do you use for pre-spraying and rinsing?
I have a customer that uses a rotary on every job and extracts using a small portable single vac machines with around 50-70psi.
He has very high end clients paying top money.
They use encap products at the cleaning and the rinsing stage and air movers.
Granted he isnt often cleaning EOT/mingers, its all repeats of good quality protected carpet.
I actually cleaned an area at the highest profile golf club in the world last night using a Hydromist Compact
(think Rug Doctor but green) :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[
Same here, just did a golf club with a windsor admiral, did a great job and carpet was dry before i left.
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Now this could be a nice little buy for some one
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Carpet-Cleaning-Co-Earn-50-00-200-00-per-hour-/230685896356?pt=UK_B_I_Business_for_Sale_CV&hash=item35b5f36ea4
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did a great job and carpet was dry before i left.
That's nothing, the job I did yesterday was dry before I even started!
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did a great job and carpet was dry before i left.
That's nothing, the job I did yesterday was dry before I even started!
;D
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I have a Puzzi 100, it's good with the hand tool. Decent vac etc. You can work with easy rinse chems like Mpower.
As for being faster, no way. Easy to carry yes but the increase in prep work would negate that time saving.
Sometimes I dread going up to the 3rd floor for one little room, but thats why I have minimum price that would make it worth while, and seldom do we do only one tiny room.
Anything bigger than one room and I bet I'll be in, brush and TM while you are still pre vaccing
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On that second video it takes the tech 2min 30 sec to clean a square meter. Thats 30 seconds with a TM once setup which is 20 min max
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did a great job and carpet was dry before i left.
That's nothing, the job I did yesterday was dry before I even started!
;D ;D ;D ;D
Not being big headed but all my jobs are like that. 8)
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I notice the big difference difference between a 25 hp truckmount and an 18 hp truckmount.......... Going out with the steampro or the ninja really feels like you have nothing in your hands...............
I really sympathise with you lot with you puzzi 's.
You must be doing a blinding job with those machines..................................
Peter
www.carpetcleanercardiff.com