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UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: bobby p on September 22, 2011, 07:03:43 am
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im thinking of doing this and buying a test kit .
this my first year of employing and im already on worker number 5 or is it 6 , ive lost count . i have heard every excuse under the sun for lateness or slowness so now im wanting to rule out any druggie before they step foot on a ladder
i see theres a raft of drug testing kits online. Anybody bought a good one ? if so id like to hear about it .
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human rights ;)
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if you think thay are taking drugs get rid of them
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you are allowed to drug test workers, as long as its in the contract and its not over done, ie every day, once a month is usually fine, if they got nothing to hide then its is ok,
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im thinking of doing this and buying a test kit .
this my first year of employing and im already on worker number 5 or is it 6 , ive lost count . i have heard every excuse under the sun for lateness or slowness so now im wanting to rule out any druggie before they step foot on a ladder
i see theres a raft of drug testing kits online. Anybody bought a good one ? if so id like to hear about it .
maybe your just simply a right twat to work for who loves bossing people about, was you bullied as a kid and this is revenge ? your a window cleaner not an executive of a large organisation
yet another poxy window cleaner whos watched an episode of the apprentice or dragons den and then gone to bed thinking hes someone special
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;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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im thinking of doing this and buying a test kit .
this my first year of employing and im already on worker number 5 or is it 6 , ive lost count . i have heard every excuse under the sun for lateness or slowness so now im wanting to rule out any druggie before they step foot on a ladder
i see theres a raft of drug testing kits online. Anybody bought a good one ? if so id like to hear about it .
maybe your just simply a right twat to work for who loves bossing people about, was you bullied as a kid and this is revenge ? your a window cleaner not an executive of a large organisation
yet another poxy window cleaner whos watched an episode of the apprentice or dragons den and then gone to bed thinking hes someone special
i guess you do a bit of drugs yourself then? you dont know me and i dont know you so dont cast aspertions. What i do know is that drug taking is very common nowadays and its illegal because its dangerous. i dont boss anybody about,im just wanting a worker that turns up and works normally ,not too much to ask
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maybe your just simply a right twat to work for who loves bossing people about, was you bullied as a kid and this is revenge ? your a window cleaner not an executive of a large organisation
yet another poxy window cleaner whos watched an episode of the apprentice or dragons den and then gone to bed thinking hes someone special
I think this post is closer to the truth than the OPs opinion of his workers is likely to be.
Cut them some slack, you'll be on here moaning about them again, which you seem to do quite often, and how they've all buggered off/don't treat you with the respect you obviously deserve/make snide comments about you/gossip round the corner then shut up when you suddenly sneak up on them; etccetera etcetera etcetera.
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Bobby, you need to come of the weed and come down to Earth. Drug testing a windie is never going to happen. They are not paid enough to bother about you or what you think of them mate.
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On a purely curious note, how do you intend to test your workers for cannabis, heroin, ecstacy, speed, meths or any one of the numerous types of street level mind and mood altering substances available?
Have you thought of searching them? ;)
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Its never going to work, drugs stay in your system for a while if one of your employees wants to have a smoke or line out of work that's up to them!
You will never know by a test kit if they are taking drugs at work get a grip ;D
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theres 9 in 1 tests , cheap enough online
but im now not sure if im going to buy any,youve made your point
from now on im only going to employ non smokers, thatll rule out the weed boys
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I was under the threat of compulsory drug testing for years in the army; it was introduced when I was about 20 years old and everyone my age was taking Es and speed.
It never bothered me though, 'cos I could just as effectively impair myself with that 100% legal drug called alcohol.
I'd say if your employees aren't up-to-scratch, just keep on finding new ones. It's got to be an employers market out there, these days. I hear the Eastern Europeans work hard too!
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im thinking of doing this and buying a test kit .
this my first year of employing and im already on worker number 5 or is it 6 , ive lost count . i have heard every excuse under the sun for lateness or slowness so now im wanting to rule out any druggie before they step foot on a ladder
i see theres a raft of drug testing kits online. Anybody bought a good one ? if so id like to hear about it .
Is the drug alcohol included in the test - or are drugs that are easy to tax (and therefore legal) excluded by the kit manufacturer? What about prescribed medicines? Would a worker who temporarily needs anti-depressants be sacked? What about someone on painkillers due to RSI possibly caused by working too hard? Would the test differentiate between legal and illegal painkillers? What about legally prescribed methadone - a legitimate painkiller but also prescribed to wean someone from heroin?
Not being funny but potentially, there is a massive minefield waiting for you if you go down the testing route. It really isn't as simple as it's legal so it's OK and it's illegal so it isn't. It could throw up many anomalies such as: Employing a methadone addict who is a bit of a mess but because he has a legal prescription it is OK OR sacking someone who smokes an occasional joint out of work hours, isn't really involved in the drug culture, but just likes a little extra at the occasional party and his work isn't affected. It is illegal though. Also, cannabis stays in the system a lot longer than most drugs so you could be sacking someone for having a joint while on holiday several weeks beforehand.
You really do need to think this through if you want to avoid legal action - or is it the case that no-one would dream of working for you for more than a year so would not accrue any unfair dismissal rights?
EDIUT: While I was writing this I see you have decided not to to the testing. I think that is a good choice. If someone isn't up to the job, you can sack them anyway. Drug users don't have a monopoly on laziness and lateness so to narrow it down to them would probably not be a good idea anyway.
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im thinking of doing this and buying a test kit .
this my first year of employing and im already on worker number 5 or is it 6 , ive lost count . i have heard every excuse under the sun for lateness or slowness so now im wanting to rule out any druggie before they step foot on a ladder
i see theres a raft of drug testing kits online. Anybody bought a good one ? if so id like to hear about it .
if I got through 6 workers in a short space of time I would be looking at what I may be doing wrong, am I treating them fairly ? am I paying them a decent wage ? am I giving them time to pick the job up ? am I building up their confidence and make them feel part of the team or am I knocking their confidence and making them feel isolated ?
yes its true we dont know each other but one thing I have experience of from previous careers is managing a large team, yes there are those that are lazy and there are those who lack confidence but its how you deal with them which counts.
I had people who I knew smoked the odd joint and liked to go out on the razzle through the week but that dont make them bad people. making them feel wanted and part of the team is what gets the best out of them.
treat staff with respect and you get it back, treat them like crap and they perform to that level.
would be intersting to hear what your ex workers say on the matter.
maybe your just simply a right twat to work for who loves bossing people about, was you bullied as a kid and this is revenge ? your a window cleaner not an executive of a large organisation
yet another poxy window cleaner whos watched an episode of the apprentice or dragons den and then gone to bed thinking hes someone special
i guess you do a bit of drugs yourself then? you dont know me and i dont know you so dont cast aspertions. What i do know is that drug taking is very common nowadays and its illegal because its dangerous. i dont boss anybody about,im just wanting a worker that turns up and works normally ,not too much to ask
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You can't just drug test people Willy nilly.I used to be a manager in a previous job where we used them.
We had to call a doctor to do the test at 350 quid a time.even then you suspend them and offer councelling.
Your a window cleaner not a multi billion pound business.
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I don't think it's such a bad idea. At an interview you could ask..
"Do you take illegal drugs or drink to excess during the working week?"
If the reply is "No", then what's wrong with asking,
"Well, would you be concerned if I asked if you would submit to a random drugs test? Only that I've had problems in this area in the past with employees, and I'm looking for someone who takes care of their physical fitness...".
I don't see a problem with that. I wouldn't want to employ anyone who takes drugs or drinks to excess either, because they can be a pain in the bottom. I know I was. ;D
I'd probably not want to employ a smoker either.
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theres 9 in 1 tests , cheap enough online
but im now not sure if im going to buy any,youve made your point
from now on im only going to employ non smokers, thatll rule out the weed boys
then your sued for discrimination ;D
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theres 9 in 1 tests , cheap enough online
but im now not sure if im going to buy any,youve made your point
from now on im only going to employ non smokers, thatll rule out the weed boys
then your sued for discrimination ;D
You can still discriminate on many grounds; one major one is someone's level of intelligence for example.
And even though it could be illegal to sack someone on 'certain grounds', it's easy to gerrymander situations where you can sack them on 'legal grounds'.
It's Bobby's business; it's up-to-him who he employs; and I kind of agree with him. Why employ someone who takes drugs when you can employ someone who doesn't?
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one major one is someone's level of intelligence for example.
D'you think that explains why Ive ended up working for myself?
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one major one is someone's level of intelligence for example.
D'you think that explains why Ive ended up working for myself?
Do you really want anyone to answer that? ;D
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I have had two random drug tests in the last two months, one at Talbot Heath - Poole/Bournemouth & one at another store (done that many stores this year I cannot remember).
You are picked randomly and pee into a sample bottle, he does what he does and it either comes back positive or negative.
I would never refuse and I wouldn't expect anyone who works with me to refuse either. Nothing to hide. I like a drink and enjoy a drink when I am working away but I don't overdo it in the week.
Anyone can scream discrimination at me but I wont employ smokers (they expect to have additional breaks!!!), they think they have a right to take them when they want and if you spent as much time as I do cleaning up smoking areas then you would see it from a different perspective.
At Halifax till Wednesday morning, the amount of staff that came out for a fAg every half an hour is staggering, same faces, ten minutes at a time (at least), got to get to the smoking area and then get back.
Same on every store I go on. It must cost Sainsbury's millions in down time.
Ask me for a job and smoke - jog on!!!
Rob ;D
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one major one is someone's level of intelligence for example.
D'you think that explains why Ive ended up working for myself?
Do you really want anyone to answer that? ;D
;D ;D
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firs tof all you better not just test for drugs. You ar ethen allowing misuse of alcohol.
the policy if you do go ahead with drug testing should be substance misuse policy. you also mus thave this in your current H&S policy for your company before even thinking about bringing this in.
not as easy as just testing yer workers.
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im thinking of doing this and buying a test kit .
this my first year of employing and im already on worker number 5 or is it 6 , ive lost count . i have heard every excuse under the sun for lateness or slowness so now im wanting to rule out any druggie before they step foot on a ladder
i see theres a raft of drug testing kits online. Anybody bought a good one ? if so id like to hear about it .
Why are you employing staff, make them all self employed. Get them to or get for them their own public liability insurance but make them pay for it. This will give them a sense of responsibility to themselves & save you money as well, always a good start. You can then afford to pay them more money because you are not forking out for holiday money or sickness pay. Also a big buzz is no work no wages makes 'em think a bit. You could pay them on a percentage for work done, that gives them an incentive then. The more they do the more they earn.
Also are you a good judge of people, maybe you could get someone else to do the interviews or sit in with you. Just a few ideas to put into the melting pot.
Rickster
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FUNNILY ENOUGH I,VE JUST BEEN SPEAKING TO SOMEONE THIS MORNING WHO CAUGHT A YOUNG LAD(CLEANER) SMOKING A JOINT ON HIS PROPERTY,HE MADE A VERY INTERESTING POINT,HE SAID WHAT IF THE LAD HAD GONE UP THE LADDER DOPED UP AND HAD AN ACCIDENT ,HE MAY TRY TO MAKE A CLAIM AGAINST HIM (THE HOUSEHOLDER ) .
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im thinking of doing this and buying a test kit .
this my first year of employing and im already on worker number 5 or is it 6 , ive lost count . i have heard every excuse under the sun for lateness or slowness so now im wanting to rule out any druggie before they step foot on a ladder
i see theres a raft of drug testing kits online. Anybody bought a good one ? if so id like to hear about it .
Why are you employing staff, make them all self employed. Get them to or get for them their own public liability insurance but make them pay for it. This will give them a sense of responsibility to themselves & save you money as well, always a good start. You can then afford to pay them more money because you are not forking out for holiday money or sickness pay. Also a big buzz is no work no wages makes 'em think a bit. You could pay them on a percentage for work done, that gives them an incentive then. The more they do the more they earn.
Also are you a good judge of people, maybe you could get someone else to do the interviews or sit in with you. Just a few ideas to put into the melting pot.
Rickster
There are rules about employing 'self employed staff'; if they're doing your work over a certain percentage; then they're YOUR employees, which means you're responsible for paying their income tax 'n' stuff.
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if you give them a van and tell them where to work and when, then they are employed
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http://www.ukdrugtesting.co.uk/
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if you give them a van and tell them where to work and when, then they are employed
There's a lot more to it than that. Even if they use their own van and tools, if they do more than 50% of your work, they're employed. Look it up - it comes under Employment Status - there's a lot of rules governing this.
A successful window cleaner once explained to me how to do a 'work around' but even then admitted if anything went to court, the 'work around' would be on very thin ice.
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http://www.ukdrugtesting.co.uk/
Are you sure?
That looks like one of those viagra sites Tosh uses.
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yes ,my main worry was what if a dopey went up the 2nd floor ladder and toppled backwards . you lads know exactly how it feels on the ladders,you need your wits about you 100% , not 90% or 80%
what i had in mind was giving a basic drug test AT the interview only, but reading the posts i now see that im asking for trouble so im going to forget the idea .
i might add that each lad who worked for me loved the job, i even overheard one saying i was the best boss he had ever had - but then a few days later was telling me that weed smoking was mucking up his life( after a full day of working at a snails pace) . Week before that he was climbing the 2nd floor ladders most of the day ,i cringe thinking about it now
Because i liked him as a person,i told him if he ever came to me in the future and looked me in the eye and told me he was free of weed, id take him on again . He hasnt been in touch
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Yeh sounds completely screwed up then.
Rickster
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Why when someone come on here with a perfectly normal request all this human rights poop starts its messing up the U K as a country.I think if you put a man up ladder on behind a van wheel you have a duty to see that his free of drugs. THEY ARE NOT LEGAL.If he was drunk at work would that be fine.Its nor fine to take drugs at all never mind work. I thinks there are so many who do or did they cannot accept that's its wrong Human RIGHTS I disagree MY AA ( AS IN DONKEY)
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im thinking of doing this and buying a test kit .
this my first year of employing and im already on worker number 5 or is it 6 , ive lost count . i have heard every excuse under the sun for lateness or slowness so now im wanting to rule out any druggie before they step foot on a ladder
i see theres a raft of drug testing kits online. Anybody bought a good one ? if so id like to hear about it .
Taking the drugs debate away from this.......
Bobby P you are frustrated with employing and clutching at straws at what to blame :)
I know I've been there.
Interview stage:
Application form:
Question - Are you a drug taker or have you ever taken any form of illegal substances?
If they answer yes - don't take them on,
If they answer no you are covered if the worst should happen. (lying on application form!)
Anyway away from that, you will go through numerous amounts of people and then suddenly you will hit on a good one, so be patient.
Be firm but fair
Oh jeez it's taking me back a few years..... i need a drink ;D ;D ;D
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im thinking of doing this and buying a test kit .
this my first year of employing and im already on worker number 5 or is it 6 , ive lost count . i have heard every excuse under the sun for lateness or slowness so now im wanting to rule out any druggie before they step foot on a ladder
i see theres a raft of drug testing kits online. Anybody bought a good one ? if so id like to hear about it .
Taking the drugs debate away from this.......
Bobby P you are frustrated with employing and clutching at straws at what to blame :)
I know I've been there.
Interview stage:
Application form:
Question - Are you a drug taker or have you ever taken any form of illegal substances?
If they answer yes - don't take them on,
If they answer no you are covered if the worst should happen. (lying on application form!)
Anyway away from that, you will go through numerous amounts of people and then suddenly you will hit on a good one, so be patient.
Be firm but fair
Oh jeez it's taking me back a few years..... i need a drink ;D ;D ;D
That would be very unfair on someone who used to partake but decided to change their life around. Apart from that, it can't be proven one way or the other without gaining access to medical info that is confidential.
Maybe it would be more reasonable to ask "Have you taken any illicit substances in the last xyz years?" and/or "How much alcohol do you drink?"
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Why when someone come on here with a perfectly normal request all this human rights poop starts its messing up the U K as a country.
Dont know.
I think if you put a man up ladder on behind a van wheel you have a duty to see that his free of drugs.
That sounds disturbingly 'human rights' to me.
IMO its the responsibility of the individual behind the wheel or up the ladder to ensure they are safe to do so. Farming it out to someone else to ensure that is the case is just crazy.
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yes ,my main worry was what if a dopey went up the 2nd floor ladder and toppled backwards . you lads know exactly how it feels on the ladders,you need your wits about you 100% , not 90% or 80%
what i had in mind was giving a basic drug test AT the interview only, but reading the posts i now see that im asking for trouble so im going to forget the idea .
i might add that each lad who worked for me loved the job, i even overheard one saying i was the best boss he had ever had - but then a few days later was telling me that weed smoking was mucking up his life( after a full day of working at a snails pace) . Week before that he was climbing the 2nd floor ladders most of the day ,i cringe thinking about it now
Because i liked him as a person,i told him if he ever came to me in the future and looked me in the eye and told me he was free of weed, id take him on again . He hasnt been in touch
was that the lad that looked like otto the bus driver from the simpsons?
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yes ,my main worry was what if a dopey went up the 2nd floor ladder and toppled backwards . you lads know exactly how it feels on the ladders,you need your wits about you 100% , not 90% or 80%
what i had in mind was giving a basic drug test AT the interview only, but reading the posts i now see that im asking for trouble so im going to forget the idea .
i might add that each lad who worked for me loved the job, i even overheard one saying i was the best boss he had ever had - but then a few days later was telling me that weed smoking was mucking up his life( after a full day of working at a snails pace) . Week before that he was climbing the 2nd floor ladders most of the day ,i cringe thinking about it now
Because i liked him as a person,i told him if he ever came to me in the future and looked me in the eye and told me he was free of weed, id take him on again . He hasnt been in touch
was that the lad that looked like otto the bus driver from the simpsons?
no mate, "otto" is still on board, for the time being (has been off sick since tuesday )
Dan ,do u know any of the roys group lads? An ex-Roys lad with a foreign voice wants a start with me ,says he was made redundant
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theres 9 in 1 tests , cheap enough online
but im now not sure if im going to buy any,youve made your point
from now on im only going to employ non smokers, thatll rule out the weed boys
Don't be so silly, you need a doctor at your cost to perform this. At point of employment you will need to send your employee to have a medical at which point a simple urine test will prove negative or positive. You buy a crap test kit form the Internet and you wont have a legal leg to stand on. Pay peanuts and you get monkeys. wise up Bob before you land yourself in court. Good luck with getting decent workers.
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I'm all for drug testing.
Bring me the drugs, I'll test them and tell you whether you would be able to work having taken them.
Bobby, you need to look at yourself as an employer too, mate.
You were going to ask a lad with impaired hearing to hop on one leg, to test his balance.
I would say you're on very dodgy ground, doing things like that.
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I'm all for drug testing.
Bring me the drugs, I'll test them and tell you whether you would be able to work having taken them.
Bobby, you need to look at yourself as an employer too, mate.
You were going to ask a lad with impaired hearing to hop on one leg, to test his balance.
I would say you're on very dodgy ground, doing things like that.
ah yes, young Kamil, my very first worker , ive still got his whistle in my glovebox,bought it for him to peeeep to get my attention .
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do what you want bobby, nobody else's business really, by the way E, speed and coke will be out their system within 72 hours so won't be picked up, dope will be detected for longer around 28 days ;)
so if you do test do it on a monday ;) and large amounts of water drunk before test can prove inconclusive, and you would have to check temperature of the urine to make sure it was theirs and fresh
sounds a bit like hard work to me but go for it
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yes ,my main worry was what if a dopey went up the 2nd floor ladder and toppled backwards . you lads know exactly how it feels on the ladders,you need your wits about you 100% , not 90% or 80%
what i had in mind was giving a basic drug test AT the interview only, but reading the posts i now see that im asking for trouble so im going to forget the idea .
i might add that each lad who worked for me loved the job, i even overheard one saying i was the best boss he had ever had - but then a few days later was telling me that weed smoking was mucking up his life( after a full day of working at a snails pace) . Week before that he was climbing the 2nd floor ladders most of the day ,i cringe thinking about it now
Because i liked him as a person,i told him if he ever came to me in the future and looked me in the eye and told me he was free of weed, id take him on again . He hasnt been in touch
was that the lad that looked like otto the bus driver from the simpsons?
no mate, "otto" is still on board, for the time being (has been off sick since tuesday )
Dan ,do u know any of the roys group lads? An ex-Roys lad with a foreign voice wants a start with me ,says he was made redundant
i dont bobby sorry.
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Why not join the 21st century and start using safe modern working practices like wfp ?
I would not dream of employing people to use an unsafe working practice climbing ladders that could cause serious harm !
What is worse. . . . somone smoking a joint, or somone who asks an employee to carry out work that could kill em ?
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What is worse. . . . somone smoking a joint, or somone who asks an employee to carry out work that could kill em ?
That depends on many, many things; so I couldn't answer it.
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do some of you guys have a good sense of smell? i dont but one of my lads really has. his job includes cleaning the doors and if he catches the letterbox open he can instantly smell if theres cannabis inside the house
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do some of you guys have a good sense of smell? i dont but one of my lads really has. his job includes cleaning the doors, whilst there if he sticks his nose through the letterbox I make sure he detects which customers are recreational drug users
FTFY.
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do some of you guys have a good sense of smell? i dont but one of my lads really has. his job includes cleaning the doors, whilst there if he sticks his nose through the letterbox I make sure he detects which customers are recreational drug users
And are these customers dropped from the round?,they could be a hazard to your workers/addicts.
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easy guys!!!!! hes only askin thats what this forum is for askin for advice! i dont think this warrants being called a twat ??? my advice bobby is just keep trying new guys filter them more before you take them on if you pay a good wage and treat the guys fair then you should attract the right sort of people where do you get these guys so far from? and what ages are they? maybe you should try someone slightly older if this is the case i dont think you would get away with drug testing as such but youre well within your rights to have a zero tollerance to drink and drugs as are most employers do! maybe you should advertise somewhere else to attract a more reliable type etc im sure theres loads of people out of work at the mo that would be more than gratefull 8) 8)
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mostly find them using a small ad in the local post office window. As it happens,this very afternoon i interviewed the latest , hes coming out next week on a 1 day trial.
hes older at 30 and was working as a windie for 4 yrs before being laid off by a reputable firm . Says he was last man in,first man out
The only bad sign i see is he has a big belly, whether thats bulged since hes been resting or from ale swilling i dont know. For sure that will go if he hacks a few weeks on the ladders on the council estates . at least i wont need to show him how to use a squeegee .
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do some of you guys have a good sense of smell? i dont but one of my lads really has. his job includes cleaning the doors and if he catches the letterbox open he can instantly smell if theres cannabis inside the house
If you catch him breathing more deeply at some letter boxes, I think you should sack him.
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I hate people who take drugs
coppers, customs, airport security ect,
especially when there my drugs :D
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The only bad sign i see is he has a big belly, whether thats bulged since hes been resting or from ale swilling i dont know.
Probably from the munchies.
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Think you are jumping the gun here Bobby. Give him some speed, have you seen guys on speed? they go like hell. Give it some thought, may not be so bad.
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Think you are jumping the gun here Bobby. Give him some speed, have you seen guys on speed? they go like hell. Give it some thought, may not be so bad.
There you go Bobby for a small outlay on ephedrine you can increase your workers productivity by 200%!
I would suggest doing it discreetly to begin with.
Maybe sprinkle some on their "quality" sausage roll without them noticing ;)
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Something is not quite right,its the drug abusers that are supposed to be paranoid.
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Something is not quite right,its the drug abusers that are supposed to be paranoid.
You on about me?
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Something is not quite right,its the drug abusers that are supposed to be paranoid.
You on about me?
;D
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some of you guys seem to have insider info on the drug scene. that would be an advantage but i have no such knowledge.
When i was interviewing the latest guy ,on the street outside his home, a car with a noisey exhaust drove by. the new guy did a sort of secret quick hand signal to the driver, as if he was making a letter O or E with his first finger and thumb. maybe im paranoid ,or maybe this signal meant something . lets hope it just meant hello
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some of you guys seem to have insider info on the drug scene. that would be an advantage but i have no such knowledge.
When i was interviewing the latest guy ,on the street outside his home, a car with a noisey exhaust drove by. the new guy did a sort of secret quick hand signal to the driver, as if he was making a letter O or E with his first finger and thumb. maybe im paranoid ,or maybe this signal meant something . lets hope it just meant hello
Bobby are you having a laugh with us all?
Interview - on the street outside his home......... not quite starting off how you want to go in is it?
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the secret sign bobby means him and his mate are gonna knock you off your ladders then steal your round while your in a wheelchair.theyll work with you for a few months to get to know your round and customers then BAM!!you ll be in hospital crippled and they have your work!!!
theyll also probably do this under the influence of some sort of drugs,probably angel dust or crystal meth!!theyll enjoy knocking you off your ladders as well as laughing loudly!knowing they ve got a good round handed to em on a plate(well not that good!but they up the prices after a few cleans!).
mind how you go one scrim bob!!
dazmond
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Daz-crystal meth ! ive only seen that on the american show "cops" , id like to think that isnt here yet in Suffolk :)
to Helen, where did you used to interview your workers and other tips u learnt to look for when you had workers id like to hear
i interview them at their home as its convenient for me to call in on my way home . at the new guys house i noticed his windows were clean and he had a certain presence about him that will be popular on the streets(looks like telly savalas,but with hair)
a sign of fitness is if i drop something small on the street and they DONT groan as they pick it up ,pick it up quickly too
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is that your fitness test bobby? ;D ;D ;D ;D
i groan just reaching forward to get the remote off the coffee table!!!WFP makes you lazy!!stay fit!stay trad bob!!! ;D ;D ;D
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Bobby, you are either on a wind up or as an individual who runs a business you are the equivalent of being unemployable only it's you who wants to do the employing. I'm not sure if there is a word to describe that person.
Bobby, what does it matter what sign this guy gave this other guy, what does it matter that the guy had a noisy exhaust? You're a paranoid snob methinks and need to sort your attitude out before you try to employ again for their sakes if not yours. You're cruising for an employment tribunal carrying on like that.
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Daz-crystal meth ! ive only seen that on the american show "cops" , id like to think that isnt here yet in Suffolk :)
to Helen, where did you used to interview your workers and other tips u learnt to look for when you had workers id like to hear
i interview them at their home as its convenient for me to call in on my way home . at the new guys house i noticed his windows were clean and he had a certain presence about him that will be popular on the streets(looks like telly savalas,but with hair)
a sign of fitness is if i drop something small on the street and they DONT groan as they pick it up ,pick it up quickly too
No, I've just read this you are definitely on a windup.
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Alot of posts on here this morning, havent got time to read em all, but here is my opinion.
If i was employing, the rules would be.
1) No smoking of any kind during work hours. It looks horrible, smells discusting, and violates the customers rights. I have seen window cleaners working, with fAgs hanging out their mouths its just an awful image on our industry.
2) Employees must not swear, mess about on the job, or act in any way that can be seen as antisocial.
3) Employees must wear full uniform, and saftey boots
4) Criminal background checks are mandentry; if employee does have a record it dosent mean that he wont be able to work for me, as i do belive in second chances.
5) As far as drug taking is concrened, i coulnt care less what they do outside of work hours. Not my business, however in work hours no recreational drugs of any kind please. Imagine the complications having a cop pull over one of me lads for drugs on the job? :o
6) Employees will be on a starting salary 18k per year, rising up to to 30k (depending on performance) after 2 years of service, with the option to work towards rounds manager.
I have worked out that in order to employ someone in a van in this manner, each van needs to be generating around 100k a year.
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Daz-crystal meth ! ive only seen that on the american show "cops" , id like to think that isnt here yet in Suffolk :)
to Helen, where did you used to interview your workers and other tips u learnt to look for when you had workers id like to hear
i interview them at their home as its convenient for me to call in on my way home . at the new guys house i noticed his windows were clean and he had a certain presence about him that will be popular on the streets(looks like telly savalas,but with hair)
a sign of fitness is if i drop something small on the street and they DONT groan as they pick it up ,pick it up quickly too
No, I've just read this you are definitely on a windup.
haha... yes it's a tricky one. ;D
Where in sufffolk are you bobby? I'm also in suffolk. Is it contagious?? ;D
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Daz-crystal meth ! ive only seen that on the american show "cops" , id like to think that isnt here yet in Suffolk :)
to Helen, where did you used to interview your workers and other tips u learnt to look for when you had workers id like to hear
i interview them at their home as its convenient for me to call in on my way home . at the new guys house i noticed his windows were clean and he had a certain presence about him that will be popular on the streets(looks like telly savalas,but with hair)
a sign of fitness is if i drop something small on the street and they DONT groan as they pick it up ,pick it up quickly too
No, I've just read this you are definitely on a windup.
haha... yes it's a tricky one. ;D
Where in sufffolk are you bobby? I'm also in suffolk. Is it contagious?? ;D
its a known fact that old suffolk-ites are funny beggars ,without exception they are suspicious and cautious and rarely tip .
its different in Essex where i prefer to work. big tips there . i live near felixstowe where are u Mark ?
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well interesting topic some different views, here is my two pence worth drugs used in recreation time is fine but not during working hours, each to there own some like a little smoke of white widow with a drop of rum, others hit the pub drink loads and have a line or two, then the heavy drinkers, whats right and whats wrong drugs have been around a lot longer than many know, ok some modern drugs are idiots drug, i cant see a smoke in there spare time does any wrong, but never while working, :-*
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bobby found this on facebook and it sums it up for me do as you want mate ;)
Drugs Test (This was written by British Soldier- What he says makes a lot of sense!) I work, they pay me. I pay my taxes and the government distributes my taxes as it sees fit. In order to earn that pay , I train for war and eventualy deploy. I am required to pass a random urine test… for drugs l, with which I have no problem. ... What I do have a problem with is the distribution of my taxes to people who don't have to pass a urine test. Shouldn't one have to pass a urine test to get a benefits cheque because I have to pass one to EARN IT for them? Please understand that I have no problem with helping people get back on their feet. I do on the other hand have a problem with helping someone sit on their arse drinking beer and smoking dope. Could you imagine how much money the government would save if people had to pass a urine test to get a benefit cheque? Please pass this along if you agree or simply delete it if you don't. Hope you will pass it along though, because something has to change in the UK!!!
if you want to test go for it, just make sure you do it legally
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I think this is a two way thing. Prospective employees should ask their prospective employers if they take drugs and also ask to see some accounts so you know you're going to be paid. And a contract to guarantee your hours each week, there lots of cowboys out there in all shapes and sizes !!!
Manual workers tend to smoke weed recreationally. Managers tend to snort a lot of coke, always be wary of an overconfident boss with the sniffles !!!
Bobby was that fella doing a salt and peppa shaker over your head and behind your back?
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bobby found this on facebook and it sums it up for me do as you want mate ;)
Drugs Test (This was written by British Soldier- What he says makes a lot of sense!) I work, they pay me. I pay my taxes and the government distributes my taxes as it sees fit. In order to earn that pay , I train for war and eventualy deploy. I am required to pass a random urine test… for drugs l, with which I have no problem. ... What I do have a problem with is the distribution of my taxes to people who don't have to pass a urine test. Shouldn't one have to pass a urine test to get a benefits cheque because I have to pass one to EARN IT for them? Please understand that I have no problem with helping people get back on their feet. I do on the other hand have a problem with helping someone sit on their arse drinking beer and smoking dope. Could you imagine how much money the government would save if people had to pass a urine test to get a benefit cheque? Please pass this along if you agree or simply delete it if you don't. Hope you will pass it along though, because something has to change in the UK!!!
if you want to test go for it, just make sure you do it legally
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/7142413.stm
The Army is dismissing the equivalent of almost a battalion of soldiers every year for taking drugs, a report says. ;D ;D
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Great post Stuart and awesome find Bobby.
Makes perfect sense... although its not in force for many reasons.
Not all benefit receivers spend all their money on drugs and chilling on the sofa. Many may smoke a bit of weed with their pals or snort a line on the weekend as well as look for job.
What that is saying is you cannot enjoy yourself why you are unemployed? Hardly fair.
He should stop complaining about the SMALL amount of tax payers money that goes to jobseekers and worry about the billions that is wasted elsewhere.
Maybe about the money that tax payers used to pay for him to read his newspaper on a daily basis? That alone once wasted over £700,000 a year!
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bobby found this on facebook and it sums it up for me do as you want mate ;)
Drugs Test (This was written by British Soldier- What he says makes a lot of sense!) I work, they pay me. I pay my taxes and the government distributes my taxes as it sees fit. In order to earn that pay , I train for war and eventualy deploy. I am required to pass a random urine test… for drugs l, with which I have no problem. ... What I do have a problem with is the distribution of my taxes to people who don't have to pass a urine test. Shouldn't one have to pass a urine test to get a benefits cheque because I have to pass one to EARN IT for them? Please understand that I have no problem with helping people get back on their feet. I do on the other hand have a problem with helping someone sit on their arse drinking beer and smoking dope. Could you imagine how much money the government would save if people had to pass a urine test to get a benefit cheque? Please pass this along if you agree or simply delete it if you don't. Hope you will pass it along though, because something has to change in the UK!!!
if you want to test go for it, just make sure you do it legally
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/7142413.stm
The Army is dismissing the equivalent of almost a battalion of soldiers every year for taking drugs, a report says. ;D ;D
yes I know and rightly so ;) but did you know you are more likely to find on a % wise basis an airline pilot fail than a soldier ;) isn't that worrying
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Great post Stuart and awesome find Bobby.
Makes perfect sense... although its not in force for many reasons.
Not all benefit receivers spend all their money on drugs and chilling on the sofa. Many may smoke a bit of weed with their pals or snort a line on the weekend as well as look for job.
What that is saying is you cannot enjoy yourself why you are unemployed? Hardly fair.
He should stop complaining about the SMALL amount of tax payers money that goes to jobseekers and worry about the billions that is wasted elsewhere.
Maybe about the money that tax payers used to pay for him to read his newspaper on a daily basis? That alone once wasted over £700,000 a year!
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you can enjoy your self being self employed without taking drugs ;) ok I have abused the legal one drink big style in my time but it is legal, isn't it a fair idea to make benefits only available to law abider's
and if the OP only wants to employ drug free individuals what is wrong with that,
I get the feeling on this post that there is bit of drug taking individuals on this forum :-\
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I imagine there is a great number of drug users. Occasional or regular, were all here ;D
Just because alcohol is legal it by no means makes it acceptable!
And you were very ignorant to abuse something because its not illegal.
Everyone is brainwashed by what out government deems as acceptable.
Fair he doesn't want a drug user but as long as they do the job properly I don't see the problem. Of course hoping they are not on something whilst working. (on ladders anyway)
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bobby found this on facebook and it sums it up for me do as you want mate ;)
Drugs Test (This was written by British Soldier- What he says makes a lot of sense!) I work, they pay me. I pay my taxes and the government distributes my taxes as it sees fit. In order to earn that pay , I train for war and eventualy deploy. I am required to pass a random urine test… for drugs l, with which I have no problem. ... What I do have a problem with is the distribution of my taxes to people who don't have to pass a urine test. Shouldn't one have to pass a urine test to get a benefits cheque because I have to pass one to EARN IT for them? Please understand that I have no problem with helping people get back on their feet. I do on the other hand have a problem with helping someone sit on their arse drinking beer and smoking dope. Could you imagine how much money the government would save if people had to pass a urine test to get a benefit cheque? Please pass this along if you agree or simply delete it if you don't. Hope you will pass it along though, because something has to change in the UK!!!
if you want to test go for it, just make sure you do it legally
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/7142413.stm
The Army is dismissing the equivalent of almost a battalion of soldiers every year for taking drugs, a report says. ;D ;D
yes I know and rightly so ;) but did you know you are more likely to find on a % wise basis an airline pilot fail than a soldier ;) isn't that worrying
Not really. When i see airline pilots prosecuted for tying people up round the neck or shooting innocent people then i'll worry. Right now its a bigger worry that troops do it !!!
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Course troops do it.
The majority are young 16+ year olds still with the experimenting mind set.
They do not even get kicked out straight away for failing a drugs test enless they are a high ish rank and served for a certain amount of time.
They do however get counselling and I guess get kicked if caught after that.
The fact that most class A's aren't detectable after a certain time is too easy for them to get on it on the weekend and happily pass on a Monday morning.
Main thing you have to be worried about is the guys running tings now who were once testing acid.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-rWnQphPdQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-rWnQphPdQ)
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Drugs and employees; it's pot luck; luck of the draw....
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mike .7% of the forces tested were found positive compared to 7% of civilians tested found positive ;) and that has nothing to do with tying up up a few ragheads in a war zone, they were probably tied up with drug free/alcohol free soldiers
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my old man was in the raf and he has told me some story and drugs was used this was ww2 the raf was flying high where my old duffer was based they even sniffed petrol to get high.
i have met a fello who got hooked on script medicine this turned him into a speed freak, besides that he ran his own company very successfully.
for the strong mined it dont seem to have the same effect on the week minded
i remember having a alcoholic teacher in the late 70s
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I know a lad who got caught smoking weed in the army......he left under a cloud.
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Course troops do it.
The majority are young 16+ year olds still with the experimenting mind set.
They do not even get kicked out straight away for failing a drugs test enless they are a high ish rank and served for a certain amount of time.
They do however get counselling and I guess get kicked if caught after that.
The fact that most class A's aren't detectable after a certain time is too easy for them to get on it on the weekend and happily pass on a Monday morning.
Main thing you have to be worried about is the guys running tings now who were once testing acid.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-rWnQphPdQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-rWnQphPdQ)
that link is hilarious ;D
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mike .7% of the forces tested were found positive compared to 7% of civilians tested found positive ;) and that has nothing to do with tying up up a few ragheads in a war zone, they were probably tied up with drug free/alcohol free soldiers
No you're right. Its probably just my reaction to the pompus soldiers post about drug users that made me point it out!!!
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mike .7% of the forces tested were found positive compared to 7% of civilians tested found positive ;) and that has nothing to do with tying up up a few ragheads in a war zone, they were probably tied up with drug free/alcohol free soldiers
No you're right. Its probably just my reaction to the pompus soldiers post about drug users that made me point it out!!!
ach to be fair to you mike, I broke just about all the rules in the early ninety's on drugs, alcohol and anything else that could be abused,
bit if the OP wants to do it fair enough in my eyes
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i know at least 1 of my customers is/was a wacky-baccy dealer, i started to suss him out when he paid me from a huge roll of notes stuffed in a back pocket and he was always on his mobile,looking over his shoulder.later proof was when one of my lads told me the dope smell from the house was high level(ive almost no sense of smell myself,cant even smell sh/t on a shoe !
Well ,some months later when cleaning at this house i overheard a conver from up my ladder,id been wondering where the ganja-meister was and i heard 2 gossipers "how yer doin?"im fine,so sorry to hear about MARTY " Yeh,me too,wont be seeing him for quite a while".
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You're quite a funny guy actually Bobby. ;D ;D
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you need to sort out your workers try buying them a beer and being a nice bloke, then you should search and confiscate all harmfull substances AND GIV EM ALL TO ME ;D ;D ;D ;D
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its different in Essex where i prefer to work. big tips there . i live near felixstowe where are u Mark ?
i'm in lowestoft, but mostly work outside of town and in the villages.
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its different in Essex where i prefer to work. big tips there . i live near felixstowe where are u Mark ?
i'm in lowestoft, but mostly work outside of town and in the villages.
i suppose thats to avoid the seasalt on the glass, i try not to work near the sea myself too
great beach you have at Lowestoft,used to take my kids there quite a bit,i once got done by the cops on the A12 journey for having kids out of control in my Sierra,throwing paper n scrapping
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i suppose thats to avoid the seasalt on the glass, i try not to work near the sea myself too
great beach you have at Lowestoft,used to take my kids there quite a bit,i once got done by the cops on the A12 journey for having kids out of control in my Sierra,throwing paper n scrapping
No need saying something nice about lowestoft for me, I don't like the place.
I'm a country boy and mainly work the areas i grew up around.
Since i moved here 4 years ago i started taking on work in lowestoft again and work on the sea front each month. I haven't found sea salt on the windows to be much more effort than a routine clean. The winds are mostly westerly here which might help. 1st cleans need loads more rinsing than further inland, though.