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UK Floor Cleaning Forum => Carpet Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: Paul Moss on September 15, 2011, 04:12:30 pm
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TACCA a goer yes or no?
Opinions please.
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yes
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yes
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why yes?
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in the voice of churchill, ohhhhhh yesh. ;D
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yes why?
So far so good, Credit to Mr West I think he's put in far more effort than anyone else, in his own free time - not many would have the drive or inclination to do it.
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The web site's good and I hope it catches on.
It's a YES from me.... :)
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I would say yes after meeting derek when he arranged the flood course,
for me it showed one thing the mans a get of your ar$e type of guy.
There that should get me accepted apply now ;D
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i talk to derek alot ( basicly to let him know that my TM is more powerful than his! but thats for another day ;D )
He has put and continue's to put huge amounts of time and effort into this project! There are people out there than can talk the talk and say we want this and that out of an association and then theres doers like Derek that goe's out and does it and trys to to make a change in the industry! i openly admit that i haven't got the time or drive to do what dereks done,
I think TACCA is a very promising idea and although its still in its infancy, i think any repritable carpet cleaner out there would be silly not to join up and support it and push this forward!
Well done Mr West!!!!
yours Sincerely
Big Blower Billy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ;D
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There was a lad in the navy called "Big Blower Billy!" I've never seen someone climb the rank structure so fast... ;D
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There was a lad in the navy called "Big Blower Billy!" I've never seen someone climb the rank structure so fast... ;D
;D ;D ;D
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can't really say if its a goer as i don't know the the aim of tacca?
but look at CLEAN that died a death and that had a few good people behind it, I would love to see Dereks efforts come to fruition but without help i think he will have an uphill struggle.
since when did one man ever make a difference? ;) ;)
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Why not?
Shaun
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Hi Guys
Derek has made a big effort but from my experience with CLEAN there is a very limited number of CC's who are dynamic enough to really make a difference.
I would like to see Derek spice up the NCCA.
Cheers
Doug
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i took your advice mike, in fact it was one of your posts that inspired me to give it ago, so its all your doing. ;D
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Only time will tell but well done Derek for at least having a go I take my hat of to you
Cheers Tony
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Yes ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Well after sitting on the sidelines for a little while, I decided that I would not be one of those people I hate who always knock things without doing anything themselves... so I've registered.
I think it's important to make it clear that TACCA is not currently charging any money, it is totally free for people to put their business on there. Derek is very wisely walking before he runs.
It was only when I saw the website actually come into existence that the whole thing seemd real.. up to that point it was all just talk really.
But I am very impressed with the progress so far.
I have the greatest respect for the guys who were involved with CLEAN, and I have met you all personally and think you're all fantastic people. However I think Derek is approaching things from a different angle with TACCA.
As Derek himself keeps saying, early days, time will tell, but things definitely moving in the right direction :)
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Must say well done derek what you have done so far...
It takes some doing all this and if anyone can get it right well guess its derek.
Be good to see tacca get more members than the ncca in a smaller time ;D
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Can anyone say how many members there are in the NCCA ?
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So are you going to give the same benifits as the ncca?
recognised training programmes, legal help,technical advise .abritation etc.
just a few points to ponder when comparing yourself to the ncca, not that i am a member , but they are independent and do have qualified instucters in every feild.
geoff
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Not comparing geoff, totally different. i'm off to the carnival now. should be good.
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No derick,
I never said you was,
however Clinton did appear to be making comparsons.
geoff
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Jim you didn't call me Fantastic when we met! but what you did call me began with F..... ;D
Shaun
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TACCA a goer yes or no?
Yes
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I'll give some constructive critisism.....
When i open the page it says:
Find approved carpet cleaners in your region
The TACCA official Website is now online!
Contribute your tips and recommendations
TACCA Membership Instructions
Business / Personal Profiles - Instructions
Follow on facebook
It really does not push forward to prospective customers why they should choose a carpet cleaner from here.
When I open the questions / contact it is full of garble and not finished.
The carpet cleaners on here are approved....but why and by whome?
It is just a website with no information as to why a customer should choose anybody from here.
Please correct me if I'm wrong.....but what would inspire someone to call someone from here other than that they are approved by a website with no information or reason?
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Something better on the front page would be:
We are a group of cleaning companies spread throughout the
UK who offer a service second to non. We are trained and certified by the UK’s leading suppliers and use only state of the art equipment to satisfy our client’s needs.
Each member has been vetted and qualifies that he or she has met a minimum standard.
Each member is able to perform professional cleaning to a standard that cannot be beaten.
We are reliable and will turn up on time. We do not do bait and switch and will give you a solid quote before carrying out the cleaning ….etc….etc.
We work closely with the top UK suppliers such as Prochem etc, etc
Quality assurance and guarantee….
Something on those lines would be much better on the front page that could be enhanced….
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That's pretty close to what it says on the NCCA web site................
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As long as it gives you poor retches a feeling of belonging. Next he'll be handing out blankets and warm soup.
Kindest Regards
Matt
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I must have been on another planet as I dont really know much about it. But I am interested to find out any info
maxcarpets@hotmail.co.uk
Cheers
Justin
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I've registered, pending approval.
From my point of view I would want TACCA to be what the NCCA could and should be. As the NCCA is pretty tight as an organisation - no bad thing - it would prove too difficult to instigate change from within (as far as I can see it) hence the need for something new. I am an NCCA member for what it is worth.
So, what can TACCA do that the NCCA doesn't?
Real, in-depth carpet cleaning training, with a proper exam that is possible to fail with maybe a practical element.
Vetting of companies prior to registration.
A vociferous public face for the trade.
Despite the misgivings some have about the NCCA, to get TACCA to their current state is a massive undertaking. I know this has been discussed to death on numerous threads so I will stop there.
What I will say is that Derek has done fantastically well to get things to this point.
Chris
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Can anyone say how many members there are in the NCCA ?
Think it hovers around the 500 mark Jason.
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Oh right , I often wondered .
With them having an office and staff , I guess most of the member fees get sucked up by basic running costs , little wonder they are unable to make little media noise.
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I'll give some constructive critisism.....
When i open the page it says:
Find approved carpet cleaners in your region
The TACCA official Website is now online!
Contribute your tips and recommendations
TACCA Membership Instructions
Business / Personal Profiles - Instructions
Follow on facebook
It really does not push forward to prospective customers why they should choose a carpet cleaner from here.
When I open the questions / contact it is full of garble and not finished.
The carpet cleaners on here are approved....but why and by whome?
It is just a website with no information as to why a customer should choose anybody from here.
Please correct me if I'm wrong.....but what would inspire someone to call someone from here other than that they are approved by a website with no information or reason?
all taken on board and work in progress, thanks
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As long as it gives you poor retches a feeling of belonging. Next he'll be handing out blankets and warm soup.
Kindest Regards
Matt
i might stretch to blankets but soup? is that a girls drink. ;D
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Don't knock soup derek its the only time a poor carpet cleaner like me gets a warm meal with meat in ;)
As for blankets ::) man up and use your dust sheets honestly ;D
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TACCA a goer yes or no?
Opinions please.
Having spoken at length with Derek, a huge YES from us.
Derek has the same vision that most of us just talk about and in a very short time has made huge steps forward in getting this off the ground.
Unfair to compare it to either CLEAN or the NCCA as its mission is totally different.
Huge respect and total support to Derek and his good wife Sian.
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Ha so funny , TACCA IS NOT A GOER IF.....................
You have 20 years experience
You have 2 nice twin vac portables
You have 2 nice vans
You have started and sold on 7 successful cc companies
You have 10 million PL insurance
You have purpose built premises , with a new one under construction
You have no customer complaints
You write on Forums that you like Bonnet methods
If your face does not fit , guess I am just destined to continue for the next 20 years to crawl around with the rug doctor cowboy crews like I have the past 20 successful years . ;D
I would not join now if they bothered to come and look at my business .
Major fail TACCA .
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Where did these portables suddenly spring from? I thought you only did bonnet cleaning?
You forgot to mention the broken truckmount sitting on a pallet though! :D
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Ha so funny , TACCA IS NOT A GOER IF.....................
You have 20 years experience
You have 2 nice twin vac portables
You have 2 nice vans
You have started and sold on 7 successful cc companies
You have 10 million PL insurance
You have purpose built premises , with a new one under construction
You have no customer complaints
You write on Forums that you like Bonnet methods
If your face does not fit , guess I am just destined to continue for the next 20 years to crawl around with the rug doctor cowboy crews like I have the past 20 successful years . ;D
I would not join now if they bothered to come and look at my business .
Major fail TACCA .
sorry you feel that way jason
i was in the process of answering your email, i was going to suggest coming up to see your set up and having a brew so i could confirm your application form was legit to the committee, should i take it that you don't want me to bother now?
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Where does this broken tm on a pallet come from ? Hilarious .
How do I clean stairs , floods , and upholstery with no extractor .
I would have thought a professional association would judge an application on what was actually in the application , not on heresay and rumour , by people who have never even met me.
No Derek , I wont be joining TACCA , thanks all the same. I have managed like I said for the past 20 years , just thought it would be interesting to join thats all .
I find TACCA a joke now with zero credibility , and anybody who actually has seen my set up would agree.
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who's on the commitee?
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no problem jason, i will delete your application and registration, thanks.
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who's on the commitee?
As far as I know , Jim Neal and Derek west , the committee did not exist a week ago .
They were begging for committee members via facebook on Friday , Monday night I get an e mail saying my application was rejected , because among other reasons , I like LM methods too much . Also my insurers would not verify my cover , as I would expect , why would my insurers give out information to a 3rd party ? I forwarded mt cover details which could easily have been asked for.
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i will state now that jim neal is not on the vetting committee all though with his knowledge i would of liked him to be.
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i will state now that jim neal is not on the vetting committee all though with his knowledge i would of liked him to be.
So Derek , how do you explain the statement above by Jim neal ?
"You forgot to mention the broken truckmount sitting on a pallet though!"
which was in your response to my application , yet 90 minutes after that email from you about my application , either you are lying , or someone on your committee shares information very quickly.
When I bought the TM it was on a pallet , I then fitted it into my van.
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who's on the commitee?
As far as I know , Jim Neal and Derek west , the committee did not exist a week ago .
They were begging for committee members via facebook on Friday , Monday night I get an e mail saying my application was rejected , because among other reasons , I like LM methods too much . Also my insurers would not verify my cover , as I would expect , why would my insurers give out information to a 3rd party ? I forwarded mt cover details which could easily have been asked for.
An interesting and possibly disturbing comment. Without my permission to disclose my Insurers, under the data Protection Act surely would not disclose if I had any cover or link at all.
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who's on the commitee?
As far as I know , Jim Neal and Derek west , the committee did not exist a week ago .
They were begging for committee members via facebook on Friday , Monday night I get an e mail saying my application was rejected , because among other reasons , I like LM methods too much . Also my insurers would not verify my cover , as I would expect , why would my insurers give out information to a 3rd party ? I forwarded mt cover details which could easily have been asked for.
An interesting and possibly disturbing comment. Without my permission to disclose my Insurers, under the data Protection Act surely would not disclose if I had any cover or link at all.
Exactly , the app form for TACCA asked for my policy number and insurer , which I gave , next thing I know my application is rejected , and TACCA said that my insurer would not cooperate .
Well done AXA for not sharing my information with an association with no premises, staff or paid members!
( I sent a PDF file containing my insurance details to TACCA anyway, which could have been asked for )
Beware of TACCA , this is what they claim are the membership criteria
Criteria for joining T.A.C.C.A. are: education, must have at least 2 certificates showing attendance for carpet cleaning education, unless you are ex franchisee/franchisee. Uniformed staff and livered van, all though livered van is not essential. A very professional approach to their work with a friendly attitude to their clients, full insurance and finally, decent equipment to do the job right - a good powered portable or better.
This is not true!!!!!
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Ha so funny , TACCA IS NOT A GOER IF.....................
You have 20 years experience
You have 2 nice twin vac portables
You have 2 nice vans
You have started and sold on 7 successful cc companies
You have 10 million PL insurance
You have purpose built premises , with a new one under construction
You have no customer complaints
You write on Forums that you like Bonnet methods
If your face does not fit , guess I am just destined to continue for the next 20 years to crawl around with the rug doctor cowboy crews like I have the past 20 successful years . ;D
I would not join now if they bothered to come and look at my business .
Major fail TACCA .
sorry you feel that way jason
i was in the process of answering your email, i was going to suggest coming up to see your set up and having a brew so i could confirm your application form was legit to the committee
, should i take it that you don't want me to bother now?
Set to fail ,if them working mens committees are anything to go by. committees dont work, to many personal egos.
As your reply to Jason shows your ego has already kicked in .
Neil
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i have just spoken to my insurance company for the second time just to confirm we are not doing anything wrong under the data protection act by verifying apllicants insurance. they said (for the second time) we are in our rights to verify insurance policies, all we need from the insurance company is a simple yes or no. the lady who is checking members insurance for TACCA had no problem in confirming my policy was in place and up to date. if any members would like to check this i will gladly email my insurance details so you can verify i have very comprehensive insurance. i was told that some insurance company staff don't know the rules and decline the request, i was advised to just keep trying till you get an employee that actually knows the data protection act and will therefore give confirmation.
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Re the insurance argument.
a lot of companies we work for ask for our details, insurers etc.
we send everyone a " to whom it may concern letter"
this gives details from our insurers of cover amount, expiry date etc.
Your broker, insurance company will give you one, we photo copy it and send out to all companies, if we didnt we would lose/not get 100k of work a year,
It is normal practice to be asked for your insurance details, anyone could knock up/alter a policy on a computer these days.
I have joined TACCA. Its free, no brainer really, early days still, but Derek is putting a lot of time and effort into it, when he could be out earning, hat off to the guy.
Andrew
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Agree with the above post from andrew as we do the same.
If you give the person you are dealing with/ working for your insurance details the insurance company can anwser
YES OR NO ONLY
without breaking any data protection act.
Providing they tell your insurers your name, your company name and policy number.
They should not discuss any other issue without your consent.
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There should be a like button on here....Andrew -like ;D
(don't think its Derek with the ego problem!!)
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If you give the person you are dealing with/ working for your insurance details the insurance company can anwser
YES OR NO ONLY
without breaking any data protection act.
Exactly.
Tell you what trying being involved in a RTA and telling the other party or the police, "Sorry data protection i'm not giving you details of my insurance" and see where that gets you. ;D
Or, submit a quote to a commercial job and tipex out relevant details and wonder why you didn't get the job.
Infact there's some muppet on the window cleaning forum who is asking for a copy of anyones insurance document so he can doctor it for his own use :o
http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=130706.msg1130681;boardseen#new
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Finding it hard to understand why declining 1 applicant makes a whole association a NO goer, in my mind it has quite the opposite effect, it's reassuring to know that not just any tom dick or harry can claim to be an 'honest professional' and join an organisation that will endorse the fact that they are 'honest professionals' .
The way i see it , if you apply to be a member and are totally honest in what you say, why would you be so offended at being ask to prove it.
We applied and if needed are more than willing for anyone to come and meet us to verify that what we have said is true.
Far too often associations have criteria which has to be met and when you talk to them and find you are lacking in one aspect or another, then because they are so desperate to get you to sign up they will relax the rules for you anyway.
I say well done TACCA, stick to what you believe in and what you stand for, if somethings not quite right then by all means question it. How else are the public to be protected?
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who's on the commitee?
not that i am up on buisness law, but i seem to remember from a few years ago when i was a memeber of a club, certain criteria had to be adhered to, some thing along the lines of any commitee must be voted on by its members,
members had to be notified of ant meetings, etc and any changes in the rules etc had to be passed voted and passed by its members, along with other practices ,like keeping the minutes of all what is said .
I dare say , any number of other points would also unapparent to the majority of us on here.
Just a thought !!!
geoff
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I hope, and dare I say assume, that Democracy will come to TACCA, but give it a chance, somebody has to start the ball tolling. All credit to those who have put their heads up over the parapet and pumped in their own time and resources so far.
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With all this going on.... it shows Derek must be doing it right, if one gets very upset if your application is not approved.
Keep up the good work
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Fitz,
Well said, i couldn't of put it better myself! No Really i couldn't ;D
I also had to apply same as everyone else, i've got no issues with anyone coming along and seeing what i've got or said what i've got!! Anyones more than welcome to pop in my offices for a brew if there passing!!!!
I'm still in the same frame of mind regarding TACCA, it has huge potential and Derek is doing really well and has done really, keep it going!!!!
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"i've got no issues with anyone coming along and seeing what i've got or said what i've got!! "
We have seen what you've got.....i am still getting nightmares of that photo !!! :o
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Hey paul we know he's got an iron ;) right billy boy ;D
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God Damn you Derek( powerful suction ) West!!!!!! I'm never going to live this down now!!!!!! ;D ;D
oh yeah!!! Steve/Paul,
GET STUFFED ;D
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;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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With all due respect its just a niche business directory targeted towards carpet cleaners!
If it doesn't want to go after what NCCA are doing (or should be doing) then what does it want to do? Whats the mission statement? Where do you go from here?
Just saying.
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Jason you appear to have taken my post in the wrong context, it was meant as a joke. I seem to remember you bought a TM a while ago but never got it running properly, hence my tongue in cheek comment.
God knows where you got the idea that I am on some sort of secret committee!
Take a chill pill 8-)
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That will teach you for trying to be funny won't it Jim(i can't handle my drink)Neal!!!!!! ;D
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Certainly will, "small blower" ;)
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its catching on, ;D
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Big blower ;D Big drinker neal lol ;D
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It's one thing drinking it Clinton, it's another thing managing to function the next morning!
Derek, we'll get there, one day ;D
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TACCA a goer yes or no?
Opinions please.
YES
in the early day's the stats posted some where else seem to speak volumes.
Power to your elbow Mr West
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FFS, a piece of paper proving you have insurance, a simple "yes" from the insurance company means nothing at all, anyone can cancel or fail to pay the monthly instalment at any time after any application has been accepted.
Perhaps the lady should make a point of ringing the insurance companys every day to check the members insurance is still in place or maybe re-invent and modify the PNC checks the boys in blue use and call it the CCNC :D
Big brother is watching :o
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All the risk is on Derek here, he's the one that's funded it and hasn't asked for a penny from anyone.
he's always open to ideas as to how to make this work, there is always going to be teething problems and as far as I can see he takes the critisicm and adapts!!
At the end of the day there will be a directory where customers can find US and be safe in the knowledge we have full insurance and training etc, there are loads round my way that don't, charge shag all and do a crap job, I'd rather be associated with the former.
When money is concerned it will be to raise awareness of tacca to the public, I'm not sure of how many members are needed or what the fees will be but at the moment I'm more than happy to go along with it, I'm guessing nobody will be forced to hand over any cash and can leave at any point ;D ;D ;D
just my tuppence ;)
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FFS, a piece of paper proving you have insurance, a simple "yes" from the insurance company means nothing at all, anyone can cancel or fail to pay the monthly instalment at any time after any application has been accepted.
In theory anyone in any situation could do just that, so what's the answer? The other extreme of this is just take someone's word that they have something.....and hope?
Somewhere a line has to be drawn which is the benchmark for membership (of anything not just TACCA).
In the case of the NCCA you can't become a member until you've done the exam until you've done the course. I tried to shortcut this by offering to just do the exam and pay the money but they wouldn't let me unless I did the course first......I didn't join.
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All the risk is on Derek here, he's the one that's funded it and hasn't asked for a penny from anyone.
he's always open to ideas as to how to make this work, there is always going to be teething problems and as far as I can see he takes the critisicm and adapts!!
At the end of the day there will be a directory where customers can find US and be safe in the knowledge we have full insurance and training etc, there are loads round my way that don't, charge shag all and do a crap job, I'd rather be associated with the former.
When money is concerned it will be to raise awareness of tacca to the public, I'm not sure of how many members are needed or what the fees will be but at the moment I'm more than happy to go along with it, I'm guessing nobody will be forced to hand over any cash and can leave at any point ;D ;D ;D
just my tuppence ;)
My tuppence was about insurance. Being a member of an association is no guarantee to any paying customer that you have valid insurance, nor is it a guarantee that they will do a good job or will do the job for a fair price, plenty will still be prepared to work for "shag all" ;D this includes members of any association.
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If I have any reason for not joining the ncca it is because they let anybody in regardless of equipment experience or whatever. I also think that a 2 day training course with an exam after it is a bit of a sham and more a certificate for turning up than a qualification.
I met Derek again on the weekend and told him that I will join the tacca and will do so for me the more expertise that is needed to be a member the more credible it will be anyway.
I do think that a new association can succeed as lot as it sticks with it objective.
Yes
Peter
www.carpetcleanercardiff.com (http://www.carpetcleanercardiff.com)
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If I have any reason for not joining the ncca it is because they let anybody in regardless of equipment experience or whatever. I also think that a 2 day training course with an exam after it is a bit of a sham and more a certificate for turning up than a qualification.
I met Derek again on the weekend and told him that I will join the tacca and will do so for me the more expertise that is needed to be a member the more credible it will be anyway.
I do think that a new association can succeed as lot as it sticks with it objective.
Yes
Peter
www.carpetcleanercardiff.com (http://www.carpetcleanercardiff.com)
Sorry Peter but not following your post, valid insurance, as ive said means nothing, training/exam/certificate x 2, as you have said means nothing. TM, portable, rotary system, rug doctor means nothing, if you do a good job you do a good job. No association on this planet will make you perfect ;)
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My only beef was that my application was rejected , based on the fact that a nameless anonymous committee , sending emails discussing what equipment and vans I have or have not got ,decided that I like LM methods too much , based on my posts on forums .
Also the fact that my insurance company would not verify my cover, when it would have been simple for TACCA to request my cover details .
Just seems very amateur to me.
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What's insurance got to do with cleaning
carpets.
I have PL and nothing else.
John
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thank you for your feedback jason, all taken on board and work in progress. we will endeavour to become more professional as we grow, thanks.
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What's insurance got to do with cleaning
carpets.
I have PL and nothing else.
John
If you have "treatment risks" then you are covered for items which you are actually working on, so if you damage it your biggest liability is your excess.
Obviously it is better to have treatment risks from a professionalism point of view. The cost and hassle of setting it up are minimal.
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What's insurance got to do with cleaning
carpets.
I have PL and nothing else.
John
Think that probably answers your question. If you damage something that your cleaning - it will come out of your own pocket as PL will not cover it. If you dont pay for it you'll probably be sued.
So may companies 'gamble' to probably save a few quid (or are under the illusion that PL covers everything). It really aint worth it.
Mark
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the system you go through to join the ncca is as good as it gets,you show money comitment,you give up 2 days,and you get your arse to leicester,you spend 2 days with people that know their stuff and you sit an exam that you will pass with half a brain,you then prove you are insured.
They can then recommend you to potential clients,is there a better way to vet potential members??
if so what?
GaryBristowclean
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Today I got an invitation the join The Guild of Master Craftsmen..............Now that name is known to me from many years of seeing their logo on tradesmen's vans and advertising material.
The fact that they do nothing for members is almost irrelevant as their logo catches the public's attention and gives a positive message ( whether justified or not ) and a positive feeling about a contractor wins custom.
The thing is............The name and the logo does the job.
Prospective clients don't need to know about training or safe products or super duper powerful machines, etc. They get a positive message from a little logo on a van or car or advert and that's all they need........
Scary, or what ?
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I remember that logo robert..
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This goes totally against my marketing principles but maybe a logo and highbrow name like the Guild of Master Craftsmen is the way forward?
Derek has put a load of work in here but the real acid test is how the general public reacts.
Are they looking for this sort of organisation or do they even care?
My personal view is that this all has to be done by press releases and PR... preferably in womens' mags and things like that.
It's one of those things that people need but do not know they need it. That is the hurdle you need to get over.
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I remember that logo robert..
I had that logo about 9 years ago :D Well for one year anyway before I realised how bad an idea it was.
The folder was hard wearing though and I still use that today for carrying all my paperwork.
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Neil
My point was NOT about them being worth joining ...............Garry has understood what I was saying. It's a MEMORABLE name and has a DISTINCTIVE appearance which is worth a lot more than most ideas being floated.
As far as TRAINING CREDIBILTY is concerned virtually everyone knows about NVQ'S and regards them as having VALUE and everyone will soon require them anyway, soooooooooooooo, why not approach the NATIONAL TRAINING PROVIDER who already supplies NVQ training in the UK and discuss how to intoduce them to the industry en mass and even suggest the introduction of the type of courses you regard as most appropriate.
I'm talking about BICCS who've been the accepted training provider for the cleaning industry for the past 30 or so years.
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have not mentioned insurance so can see why you do not understand my reply. but depending on what level of work you do depends on whether and what insurance you need in place. With many of the large plants, shopping malls, organisations that we do work for we do have to have 10m liability in place and need to produce evidence of this before we are even allowed onto the sites. many of the cleaning companies that we do work for are aware of treatments risks and insist on that as well. Some enviroments will even check that there are no limitations to work within their type of industry as some insurance companies make exclusions for marine or say petrol refineries, but very often it is only people with in those indusrys that are aware of such exclusion clauses. We even have been asked to produce employers liability in certain circumstances. The need for insurance will vary depending on the level of your customers, so some may not see it as important. For a few years in was not one of my concerns but experience has taught how important it is.
Peter
www.carpetcleanercardiff.com
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If you want to get commercial work you will find more restrictions are being placed in your way each year so it's wise to have not only proper insurance but also CRB check certificates and company ID cards
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OTT...............maybe, but if you have it and others don't it increases the odds in your favour.
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your a clever man bob, is there any way an association can initiate CRB checks?, it would be a great asset to TACCA, and i'm guessing totally welcomed by our members, just a thought, not got a clue if it can be done.
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your a clever man bob, is there any way an association can initiate CRB checks?, it would be a great asset to TACCA, and i'm guessing totally welcomed by our members, just a thought, not got a clue if it can be done.
Good idea Derek, More than welcomed from me
Paul
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have not mentioned insurance so can see why you do not understand my reply. but depending on what level of work you do depends on whether and what insurance you need in place. With many of the large plants, shopping malls, organisations that we do work for we do have to have 10m liability in place and need to produce evidence of this before we are even allowed onto the sites. many of the cleaning companies that we do work for are aware of treatments risks and insist on that as well. Some enviroments will even check that there are no limitations to work within their type of industry as some insurance companies make exclusions for marine or say petrol refineries, but very often it is only people with in those indusrys that are aware of such exclusion clauses. We even have been asked to produce employers liability in certain circumstances. The need for insurance will vary depending on the level of your customers, so some may not see it as important. For a few years in was not one of my concerns but experience has taught how important it is.
Peter
www.carpetcleanercardiff.com
Totaly agree with Peter, we pay a premium for our insurance, pushing 2k a year now.
We also have upto date h&s policy, provide risk assesments for a lot of jobs, as well as method statement for each job, not generic ones, staff going through cscs health and safety tests. All needed for some of our bigger cleaning jobs, ok not all carpet cleaning related,
but we find once you have it in place with a company, you get far more work, and they go with you for other work without a price as they dont want to go through it all again with other companies. We have doubled turnover because of this.
As for crb, i am not sure if government are going to keep it, we have half staff done, all it means is they havnt been caught or on any register, lots of piedo's about that probably havnt been caught and are in a position of responsibility :o
Andrew
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Derek - yes there is a very efficient organisation which you could use - it is called Disclosure Scotland and I think the basic crb check is 25 quid
It is used by Hampshire County Council Trading Standards Department and they ask all members of its Buy With Confidence scheme to use them for a crb check - the Buy With Confidence scheme was dreamed up/started by Hampshire but has been adopted by many other counties around the south east and beyond (they have a scheme starting up in a Scottish region soon).
We are members - it is the sort of independent scheme that ticks all the boxes in terms of vetting members with a face to face meeting and feedback from customers - if by chance there is a problem then as a trader you have an independent arbiter to sort things out and an avenue of communication already exists between you and trading standards.
Only problem is theiur website is a bit clunky - it could do with a severe makeover!
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Derek
No I'm not :) just been around a long time and involved in many things. Individuals have to apply for their own checks. As mentioned, in Scotland it's Disclosure Scotland from which web site you will get appropriate guidelines.
There are two levels of check - basic - and - enhanced - the enhanced check goes all the way back rather the past 5/6 years. The report will list any convictions or court appearances the individual has had and comes to the applicant who allows their employer to see it.
In the case of Local Authorities they never wanted to see our certificates or our employees the onus being on the employer to decide whether or not to employ some one with a " record "
The weakness in the system is the obvious................people with clear records might NEVER HAVE BEEN CAUGHT but been absolute rogues their entire lives. But it gives the public confidence and gets over one of the many hurdles put in the way by Local Authorities, Schools, Sports Centres, etc
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LINK HERE DEREK
https://www.disclosures.co.uk/google_adwords/?src=ga&gclid=CP2au6nFs6sCfAgntAod-mlbcQ
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When I worked for a contract cleaning company we had a security division and as members of the SIA all guards had to have CRB checks, the company and or the Divisional Manager were registered and had a certificate which allowed them to collate the application forms, check the passports/identification etc and then send the completed applications off either bulk or individual.
Also I am starting work for a college as a part time distance learning tutor and am having a CRB check carried out, I have to send the application form to the college with my identification and they will proceed the application from that point so I dont think its true that an individual has to instigate the check off their own back, it could be carried out by an organisation like TACCA, taking out the need for a middle man, if they have the correct credentials, registration etc.
I have applied for membership of TACCA because i thought it was a good idea but apparently there is a back log of applications so still waiting to hear, But , honestly, CRB checks for carpet cleaners? the reason i decided to work for myself in the first place was because i was pi**ed off with all the bureaucratic BS etc etc I had to put up with on a daily basis and wanted the freedom to run my business the way I wanted without someone else telling me what i should or shouldn't be doing.
Don't know why you all decided to work for yourselves............. just a thought.
Tony
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Just recieved an email message from TACCA saying that i have not submitted my business information? very strange as last Friday Derek sent me an email telling me it was on the system and was pending approval from the commitee!!!
Tony
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i thought you had to pay for crb checks ? if so anyone know how much?.
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errr... I just posted about that!
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I think the basic crb check is 25 quid
he did to you know
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sorry tony, clerical error. :-[
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but i was not paying attention :)
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Yeah no worries Creighton - its much better to go direct to an organisation like Disclosure Scotland and cutting out the middle men! And its needed (to answer the earlier query) because that is the way our society is going - you have to prove everything!
As regards using DS, its like having DVLA in Swansea (nothing wrong with that though I'm a bit Welsh meself)
A cynic would say it is obviously a device to provide jobs in the four corners of the Union - I believe the student loans organisation is all run from Scotland - now that is strange - as Scottish scholars do not actually need a student loan! Go figure - as the yanks would say!