Clean It Up
UK Floor Cleaning Forum => Carpet Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: craignozza on September 08, 2011, 09:36:33 pm
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Hi everyone thinking of getting a sebo duo is this as good for agitation as everyone says it is ?
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Craig, its a huge improvement for domestic work light to medium soiling, but for heavy soiling its not heavy enough.
I'll be selling mine soon as I'm planning on targeting the commercial market more
Ash
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Hi ash when you getting rid off it and how much you want for it cheers
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Possibly next week, £90
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I picked up a Host a while back... I thought the Sebo was good but the heavier CRB machines take agitation to a completely new level, especially on mingers...
Having said that, I wished I hadn't sold my Duo. I think that on some carpets the Host is a tad too excessive...
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Or you could use a rotary for heavy soil aggitation, and the Duo will do perfectly for the Light / Medium soiling. Happy days.
The sebo Duo beats the brush everytime imo, well worth the money!
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Agreed with above, great for domestic but for heavy commercial soiling you may need to consider a back up machine
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Brought one today from ashbys getting it delivered on tuesday cant wait to try it out and hopefully give the broom the old heave ho :)
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Ash I'd be interested in you sebo if you would post it to northern irelansd, let me know thanks
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I'm always amazed when people endorse this machine which is like endorsing the Bissel or Vax machines for being better than the old sponge roller things.
I originally bought a Sebo to experiment with granule cleaning but realised pretty quickly it was very inferior to the Host machine which was also available.
If you must aggitate a rotary is a lot quicker and a lot more effective and can be used for other purposes.
I chucked mine in a skip a long time ago having got fed up cleaning it or attempting to clean it as it clogs up and is a real pain to clean.
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I'm always amazed when people endorse this machine which is like endorsing the Bissel or Vax machines for being better than the old sponge roller things.
I originally bought a Sebo to experiment with granule cleaning but realised pretty quickly it was very inferior to the Host machine which was also available.
If you must aggitate a rotary is a lot quicker and a lot more effective and can be used for other purposes.
I chucked mine in a skip a long time ago having got fed up cleaning it or attempting to clean it as it clogs up and is a real pain to clean.
I agree that it's a pain to clean! I also agree that a rotary is very good at it's job. I disagree that the sebo is useless as i'd rather take that up a 3 story home to the top floor than a heavy rotary. And the sebo is very good at plucking hair out of carpets i find. Got to take the rough with the smooth.
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I'm always amazed when people endorse this machine which is like endorsing the Bissel or Vax machines for being better than the old sponge roller things.
I originally bought a Sebo to experiment with granule cleaning but realised pretty quickly it was very inferior to the Host machine which was also available.
If you must aggitate a rotary is a lot quicker and a lot more effective and can be used for other purposes.
I chucked mine in a skip a long time ago having got fed up cleaning it or attempting to clean it as it clogs up and is a real pain to clean.
Are you sure your first name is'nt victor ;D
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The contra rotating brushes do a far better job than a rotary machine. The sebo is too light but there are far better machines out there. The reason that they get so clogged up is because of of the crap that they bring out of the carpet, which I thought was the reason for people employing our services in the first place.
The action of a rotary with a brush head on does no where near as good a job.
Peter
www.carpetcleanercardiff.com (http://www.carpetcleanercardiff.com)
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Horses for courses as the saying goes. What usually clogs the Sebo is the residual cut pile which often remains undisturbed for the entire life of a carpet but usually reduces through vacuuming.
I stopped using the Oreck very quickly as it was ripping out what I regarded as too much " lint " from carpets and eventually settled for NO AGGITATION on 90% of carpets returning to my original training which was to vacuum if necessary followed by applying a prespray and allowing at least ten minutes dwell time before extracting.
With the massive power in both pumps and vacuums in today's machines there is LESS need to aggitate as it's provided by the powerfull pumps when extracting the previously applied wetting agent / surface tension breaker better known as prespray.
On heavily soiled commercials the use of aggitation before vacuuming and prespraying will certainly make life a lot easier and quicker but on domestics is a waste of time in most cases.
Machines with contra rotating cylindrical brushes have been around for decades and have been experimented with by many over the past thirty years. Another option for aggitating or brushing in prespray would be double or triple planetary brushes such as the Klanz or the bigger Cimex.
Craig
My only connection with Victor is having attended the same school as Richard Wilson but some 7 years later.
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Same school as Richard Wilson - I DONT BELEIVE IT! ;D
Sorry
I'll get my coat!
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That's good Paul and not even 8am !!!!
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The Sebo Duo,and certainly the Host systems have been around
For `yonks`now.
Just wondered,does anyone know if and how if at all the Host sponges
Have been improved over the years to help and assist with soil removal.
Years ago attending the CCA ( now NCCA as it`s known) and being
A member for awhile,they did`nt recognise that system in their training
Courses.Now they do I believe,can someone correct me if I`m wrong.
Thanks for replies.
Lewis Doubtfire
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Robert,
I've spent hours over the last few days looking for a device for agitation and bonneting, and using the search button on this forum to find some unbiased opinions, and I noticed you singing the praises of the klanz several times, and saying you massively regretted throwing yours away. Well, its a bit lightweight for what I want, but there's one on eBay now if you're interested? I think it ends today?
And for the record, I find agitation makes a big difference, personally.
Ash
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Ash
If I was starting off rather than finishing up in this business I'd import one of the latest O/P machines from across the pond as I believe they are the future with their powerful aggitation and high productivity.
I've been following their progress for some years on American forums.
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the biggest difference in my opinion between rotary agitation and crb agitation is not in the cleaning, (they both do themselves justice) but in the way they lift the fibres, the rotary brushes and flattens where as the crb brushes and lifts and that is why i go crb all the way with agitation. couldn't live without my enviro. just wish they were a bit more robust.
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No agitation? How do you wash your hair and hands?
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Dumb comment !
The action of the solution being fired at between two and five hundred psi is clearly aggitation and the action of rapid air movement due to the high vacuumation also aggitates.
Before either of these the wetting agent's surface tension breaking action has released the soil from the fabrics. However if you feel the need to add physical aggitation that's your choice.
It's simply not essential every time.
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I certainly don't agitate berbers and certain loop piles.... Still do a cracking job, I just leave the pre-spray longer to dwell.
The CRB comes into it's own at bringing a carpet pile back to life...
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It is not only the lifting of the pile, the amount of grit and sand that you get out of the carpet is considerable and something that cannot be achieved by a rotary. If anything the flattening og the pile will inhibit the extraction of this crud.
Even people with truckmounts realise the importance of agitation as it will dissapate the prespray to all surfaces of the fibre.
I have had so many people say to me their machine is that powerful they do not need to agitate but once they have worked side by side with me to compare results they quickly become converted. There is a good reason for manufactures being able to sell their wares at the prices they do.
Kid yourself if you wish but the investment in a good machine for aggitation makes a big difference to the result.
Peter
www.carpetcleanercardiff.com (http://www.carpetcleanercardiff.com)
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Hardly a dumb comment.. Even a gentle brush on a Berber to a crb on a minger will spread the cleaner over the thousands of fibres and give a better clean.
Simples