Clean It Up
UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: LHill on September 04, 2011, 11:24:09 am
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http://robinson-solutions.blogspot.com/2011/08/uks-window-cleaners-call-to-stop.html
The part where he claims traditional is better than wfp...
clearly demonstrates his 1 years worth of window cleaning knowledge.
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the guy looks like a pro look at the third picture down i can't see any ladder stand off it looks like the ladder is resting on the gutter very dangerous
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i love the way he says if they charge under £10 they aint insured you can get public lia for £60 which is about 2-3 hours work for most window cleaners
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if you read his web sites, he stated that it is not illegal not to be insured, (true) but says you must be a conman then, sounds like a other tradder who thinks he should be on £300 a day as it is a skill then only a few can master
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I can see where the guy is coming from but reading the extract from the website i get the feeling that
he's a bit bitter and twisted that he cant get enough work,
he's young and fit (supposedly) but can only do 15 terrenced houses ??? when i did trad i could do 12 large detached homes inc. frames and doors - so i must be a right cowboy ::)
Darran
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the guy looks like a pro look at the third picture down i can't see any ladder stand off it looks like the ladder is resting on the gutter very dangerous
Yes and one way to break it.
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http://robinson-solutions.blogspot.com/2011/08/uks-window-cleaners-call-to-stop.html
The part where he claims traditional is better than wfp...
clearly demonstrates his 1 years worth of window cleaning knowledge.
Whats wrong with him say Trad is better than wfp? Lots of my customers prefer it to wfp
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the guy looks like a pro look at the third picture down i can't see any ladder stand off it looks like the ladder is resting on the gutter very dangerous
Yep!
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v737/tosh0987/SnapzProXScreenSnapz004.jpg)
He's breaking a few common sense rules here. Three points on the ladder?
And not only that, it's hard work; that window is two ladder moves whereas with a WFP it's not even a foot step.
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http://robinson-solutions.blogspot.com/2011/08/uks-window-cleaners-call-to-stop.html
The part where he claims traditional is better than wfp...
clearly demonstrates his 1 years worth of window cleaning knowledge.
Whats wrong with him say Trad is better than wfp? Lots of my customers prefer it to wfp
"Some" customers may prefer it. But i'll think you'll find that wfp when used correctly, it will provide better and longer lasting results.
"Some" customers still clean there inside windows with vinegar and newspaper.. point here is the customers are not experts in window cleaning.
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PLUS thats a cheap DIY ladder not really pro is it.
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http://robinson-solutions.blogspot.com/2011/08/uks-window-cleaners-call-to-stop.html
The part where he claims traditional is better than wfp...
clearly demonstrates his 1 years worth of window cleaning knowledge.
Whats wrong with him say Trad is better than wfp? Lots of my customers prefer it to wfp because I'm rubbish at wfp.
Fixed that for you Mike G! ;D
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I have left a comment awaiting Karl's approval.
The guy doesn't know what he is talking about.
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seen this a few days ago, he is anti wfp, anti anyone that can charge less than him, anti anyone that is faster than him, anti anyone with a large round,sounds very bitter and his only conclusion that everyone else is on the fiddle, he should consider speeding up and doing a better job before accusing everyone else
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bloody newby know it all!
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I'm in Swindon & have never met him! He does sound bitter though. Where he lives is a major WFP guy, with at least 3 vans and is very agressive in getting new customers.
Saying that he appears to be more bitter about the little guys with their buckets..... I wonder what he will be like in 4/5yrs time? .... Out with a machine gun no doubt..... ;D
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Sounds to me that he IS the little guy with the bucket! ;D
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Tee hee .... ;D
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I must be 1 of the little guys with a bucket he keeps refering to.Im trad,average 20-25 3 bed semis a day (including wiping down all frames sills and doors).Price depends on how many windows on house.He wouldnt get 1 terraced house at £10 here in south wales valleys.The word muppet comes to mind.
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HOW MANY ROOF TILES HAS HE BROKEN THEN! ;D ;D ;D ;D
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"Some" customers still clean there inside windows with vinegar and newspaper.. point here is the customers are not experts in window cleaning.
Just bought 25L of vinegar on eBay..... it it not the best way??
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seen this a few days ago, he is anti wfp, anti anyone that can charge less than him, anti anyone that is faster than him, anti anyone with a large round,sounds very bitter and his only conclusion that everyone else is on the fiddle, he should consider speeding up and doing a better job before accusing everyone else
He sounds quite well balanced - chips on both shoulders.
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cant stop laughing,what a complete cxck ;D ;D ;D
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http://robinson-solutions.blogspot.com/2011/08/uks-window-cleaners-call-to-stop.html
The part where he claims traditional is better than wfp...
clearly demonstrates his 1 years worth of window cleaning knowledge.
Whats wrong with him say Trad is better than wfp? Lots of my customers prefer it to wfp because I'm rubbish at wfp.
Fixed that for you Mike G! ;D
I knew I'd missed something out!
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http://robinson-solutions.blogspot.com/2011/08/uks-window-cleaners-call-to-stop.html
The part where he claims traditional is better than wfp...
clearly demonstrates his 1 years worth of window cleaning knowledge.
Whats wrong with him say Trad is better than wfp? Lots of my customers prefer it to wfp
"Some" customers may prefer it. But i'll think you'll find that wfp when used correctly, it will provide better and longer lasting results.
"Some" customers still clean there inside windows with vinegar and newspaper.. point here is the customers are not experts in window cleaning.
Sorry but I just dont buy the better and longer laster results answer, how can it possibly be better? I can go squeegee a window and leave it spotless, so can wfp I agree but how is that better? Equal maybe but not better. As for longer lasting, really? I'm not sure on that, once a bird craps on the window etc it's dirty and regardless of wether it was done trad or wfp its got poop on it and thats that. And as for the some customers still clean the insides with vinegar and newspaper, thats almost as bad as the wfp only guys using a spray bottle and microfibre when an applicator and sqeegee would be so much better!
That said having had a look at the guys web page I think most of what he says should give you the hump and lots of it way b4 the part where he claims trad is better than wfp. Anyone who charges less than a tenner is rubbish for instance.......please
In my opinion there will always be room for both wfp and trad, and a good window cleaner should be able to offer both these services.
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All this from a man who's transport is a rover 100 with an inflatable roof rack I kid you not !
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All this from a man who's transport is a rover 100 with an inflatable roof rack I kid you not !
a cheap tacky vist print t shirts!!
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All this from a man who's transport is a rover 100 with an inflatable roof rack I kid you not !
Not exactly a professional image is it?
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according to him window cleaners working on the side is the same as being a supporting the local drug dealer, muppet
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his website is a joke, loads of rubbish on there!!
his wfp are complety incorrect - what a cowboy imo
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what the web address
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This made me laugh straight after slagging wfp off....
I am sorry to say that I can not clean three storey properties due to the health & safety aspect. Even if I clean them I would not take the risk. So anyone wishing to use my services I am sorry to say that I can't carry out that work. What I can personally recommend is using the services of Alan who of A & L Window Cleaning Services. He uses a Water-Fed Pole System, but that is the only option for working at that height. He is the only person I will put my name and reputation to using and who I know maintains his equipment, which will prevent scratching to U.P.V.C and glass.
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Im sure he will be along soon, as im sure someone from here will contact him, and tell him what were saying about him as it happened with the bloke who was standing on his van to clean windows...
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he cleans cat flaps! might ask for a price!
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There is room in this business for many views and many opinions. He has his, leave him to get on with them.
In three years time he will be WFP and extollling the virtues. Leave him alone, he is just getting himself established.
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Im sure he will be along soon, as im sure someone from here will contact him, and tell him what were saying about him as it happened with the bloke who was standing on his van to clean windows...
;D I remember I thought he was un fairly slated
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he cleans cap flaps! might ask for a price!
Do you mean cat flaps?
I do as well, for an old lady who always asks. Perhaps he's not that bad, going that extra mile just to keep the customer happy
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Met the guy while doing a job . He even had the cheek to put leaflet through door of house I was cleaning. He then started telling me how crap wfp was & that we make stone cills dirty with our water & crack plastic window trims with our brush stocks. Yes a muppet he is
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He must be saying to the ones who charge under a tenner to raise your prices as he must think you are undercutters, by the looks his clean clothe is on the window cill (drips, drips) and maybe there is a claim there as it seems he slagging off everyone in the trade ;D ;D
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dus this trainee know what he,s talking about for 1 he needs to know that speed cums with exsperance also it is just maintance once you get the first clean out the way the 1wich takes you a good hour todo then all the next cleans are so easy its like any thin else if you lookafter it it will be a simple task the next time you do it you little 2bit window cleaner with ya crappy b/q ladder with ya pound strecher mop and blade dont worry he will be a goner this time next year ............
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here ya go guys here's his website
http://www.thewindowman1.co.uk/ (http://www.thewindowman1.co.uk/)
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i thought his website was quite funny!!
littered with spelling mistakes and he has a massive chip on his shoulder!he defo got a few chairs kicked over in the attic!he does make a few valid points about doley windys though.
the reason he can only clean 14 houses a day is that there probably scattered here,there and everywhere as the more established cleaners have got large areas "sewn up" so to speak!!
i have lots of very compact work and have built up a very decent round but ive been going 18 years.i remember when i was starting up it was very difficult to get compact work due to another guy who was well established.in the end i sold this work on as i had underpriced it as well to get the work.
as for the mistrust of wfp he ll get a system if he takes window cleaning seriously and wants to make it a proper business in the 21st century!
i had similar views on wfp after 16+ years as a trad window cleaner but its simply the most efficient,safer and better way to clean most windows esp upper windows and frames.
the comments about all window cleaners who charge less than a tenner are dole scroungers is completely wrong!!to air these views on his website just goes to show what sort of guy he is at present!he s deluded and has a lot to learn!
regards
dazmond
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two more steps up that ladder and he wont be cleaning anything for a while.
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I haven't read the whole thread, haven't took the time, however, I'd like to say, I've had a few good tips from people who've done really well in business. One of them was never put the opposition down in front of others. Makes you look and sound desperate. I'm still trad for a few reasons. If I lived in UK with the domestic windows and access problems you guys get, I would be 100% WFP. When I see bay windows with tops and sloping roofs with dodgey tiles etc etc. It's a no brainer.
I also think the guy has a scattered round and has problems pricing up his work. He will be thinking "How can others earn enough at this game without cutting corners".
The truth is, when I first started, I had old salts working for me on domestics. It was these guys that showed me how to fan a window properly, and I was employing them!!
They showed me how to work smarter instead of just harder. Why we clean 2 panes next to eachother instead of one at a time etc etc.
I suspect nobody has shown him this sort of stuff and he can't see himself getting anywhere or getting faster. This will make him bitter and give him this negative attitude to WFP guys or guys that are cheaper. With time, he'll get himself sorted. If not, tough. Get another job.
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Just read this thread and must admit don't know what your all moaning about.
The guy is just bigging up
trad the same way in which the wfp brigade do with their system. I personally think both trad and wfp are great methods used correctly but there are occasions when one or the other works better. I think this forum should be used to help and encourage each other to provide a great service to all our loyal customers out there. He does come across a bit aggressively deluded that trad is better but a lot on here do about wfp. I worked 15 years for a company that had wfp and trad options and used both methods according to what customer wanted. Been on own for 5 years and am about to add wfp to my round but will use it alongside trad giving me both options and more leeway. Like it or not some custys prefer trad some wfp, do both happy days. I never slag wfp or trad off just bad window cleaners. This forum has been great in helping me decide the right equipment to buy for my system and seems to have lots of great troubleshooting advice for new wfp users. Have to say it bugs me like mad when people ruthlessly slag trade off
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Just read this thread and must admit don't know what your all moaning about.
The guy is just bigging up
trad the same way in which the wfp brigade do with their system. I personally think both trad and wfp are great methods used correctly but there are occasions when one or the other works better. I think this forum should be used to help and encourage each other to provide a great service to all our loyal customers out there. He does come across a bit aggressively deluded that trad is better but a lot on here do about wfp. I worked 15 years for a company that had wfp and trad options and used both methods according to what customer wanted. Been on own for 5 years and am about to add wfp to my round but will use it alongside trad giving me both options and more leeway. Like it or not some custys prefer trad some wfp, do both happy days. I never slag wfp or trad off just bad window cleaners. This forum has been great in helping me decide the right equipment to buy for my system and seems to have lots of great troubleshooting advice for new wfp users. Have to say it bugs me like mad when people ruthlessly slag trade off
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You know I'd really like the Federation of Window Cleaners to leave him a comment.........Oh and maybe Brodex, both come on here don't they?
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http://robinson-solutions.blogspot.com/2011/08/uks-window-cleaners-call-to-stop.html
The part where he claims traditional is better than wfp...Here here. There's fors and against for both methods.
clearly demonstrates his 1 years worth of window cleaning knowledge.
Whats wrong with him say Trad is better than wfp? Lots of my customers prefer it to wfp
"Some" customers may prefer it. But i'll think you'll find that wfp when used correctly, it will provide better and longer lasting results.
"Some" customers still clean there inside windows with vinegar and newspaper.. point here is the customers are not experts in window cleaning.
Sorry but I just dont buy the better and longer laster results answer, how can it possibly be better? I can go squeegee a window and leave it spotless, so can wfp I agree but how is that better? Equal maybe but not better. As for longer lasting, really? I'm not sure on that, once a bird craps on the window etc it's dirty and regardless of wether it was done trad or wfp its got poop on it and thats that. And as for the some customers still clean the insides with vinegar and newspaper, thats almost as bad as the wfp only guys using a spray bottle and microfibre when an applicator and sqeegee would be so much better!
That said having had a look at the guys web page I think most of what he says should give you the hump and lots of it way b4 the part where he claims trad is better than wfp. Anyone who charges less than a tenner is rubbish for instance.......please
In my opinion there will always be room for both wfp and trad, and a good window cleaner should be able to offer both these services.
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Look at trad sad cleaner post only one of the same I believe
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Look at trad sad cleaner post only one of the same I believe
yes when I read your post I looked at your location and did think of this post, sounded familiar
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The Window Man does not use vast amounts of water upto 1200 litres per a van, plus more in storage. There is no electric kept on 24 hours a day to produce pure wate. Traditional window cleaners don't use no where near the same amounts of fuel, due to the fact vast amounts of water are not carried in cars/vans. 1 cubic metre of water weighs 1 ton
He's so bitter I swear he must be a Man City fan.
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I like the way in one breath he says the dodgy window cleaners have whole areas sown up, the in the next breath saying no window cleaner has got one whole area sown up looool
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the comments about all window cleaners who charge less than a tenner are dole scroungers is completely wrong!!
Not completely wrong Daz. There is a valid point lurking in there somewhere.