Clean It Up
UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: bobby p on July 26, 2011, 05:58:14 pm
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1 of my lads has been working slow, hes been on board about 8 weeks now and if im honest has got slower ,not faster as i expected he would be faster by now
in his first week with me ,the subject of unreliable dope smokers cropped up in conversation,and he agreed with me they are a waste of space-said he knew 1 or2
today as we drove along he tells me hes going to stop smoking weed as its" messing him up" ,to use his exact words.
as i sit eating my tea,its dawning on me that the risk on the ladder is high,so high im not sure what to do next .
have any of you lot been dope smokers on ladders? if so whats best to do?
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get rid of him as quick as you can
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think you will find most of the young lads smoke it these days so u wont be able to get away from it
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get rid
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I don't smoke weed, but I am a dope on a ladder. ;D ;D ;D
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think you will find most of the young lads smoke it these days so u wont be able to get away from it
I dont think so, theres loads of lads that dont let smoking drugs ruin there work
Then saying that , i seen one lad smoking a huge spliff in the passenger seat of a transit on way to work on motorway last week, so maybe it is a bigger problem than i know, most of my friends are not dope smokers, and if they did it certainly wouldnt be in work time!!
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Doesn't have to be in work time.. could be the night before work etc
I dont think so, theres loads of lads that dont let smoking drugs ruin there work
Yeah and how many of them good lads want to be a window cleaner at there age?
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sack him but ask him has he any friends who take speed they will make you a fortune and will never sleep in ;D
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worked the windows with a team in scotland, the 3 lads i was with smoked on & off all day & i've never seen any one work harder, having said that they were all 29-30 ish. laboured on site in london & brickie & scaffolders were all stoned & on special brew not good but at least none of the gantries collapsed lol & the walls all passed, if your lad isnt a good worker get shot but it probly isnt just the blow
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1 of my lads has been working slow, hes been on board about 8 weeks now and if im honest has got slower ,not faster as i expected he would be faster by now
in his first week with me ,the subject of unreliable dope smokers cropped up in conversation,and he agreed with me they are a waste of space-said he knew 1 or2
today as we drove along he tells me hes going to stop smoking weed as its" f/cking him up" ,to use his exact words.
as i sit eating my tea,its dawning on me that the risk on the ladder is high,so high im not sure what to do next .
have any of you lot been dope smokers on ladders? if so whats best to do?
any chance of his number as its dry as damn round here :D
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whats the problem you could save some money and pay him in weed ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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i would think if any thing happend to him and you had an idea he was on somthing .you might be responsible ???
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Wait till he starts dealing to your customers :o :o :o
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im a tad more reassured by reading about the scots crew , working well on it
my lads semi-homeless , hes 26 and was a U.S. Airman till he had to leave the airforce under a cloud (dope cloud??) . he told me he had to leave after being caught drunk somewhere
Either way , he wont be going on ladders till i think it over more .As said above ,if he fell or had an accident , the insurance might not pay out
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think of it as a new round you could take a profit ;D
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Probably high enough not to need a ladder.
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i would think if any thing happend to him and you had an idea he was on somthing .you might be responsible ???
I think they`d have joint responsibilty.
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Spliffing good joke that ;D
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they all on weed round my way.lol...
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the only choice you have is to look for someone else.
sorry to put the lad out of work ,but it will affect his judgement in some way.
i know plenty of lads are on it these days ,i also know people who are in thier 50/60s and paranoid as hell steer clear m8 and run your buisness.
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Are you talking about me? :(
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get rid. if he told you himself that its doing him no good, what are you waiting for?
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Get him on crack asap; he'll soon be on his way out.
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my boss once asked me if I "had weed in my pocket?",
he got me well paranoid.................................................
.....................................I was looking for a damp patch :D :D ;D
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my lads semi-homeless , hes 26 and was a U.S. Airman till he had to leave the airforce under a cloud (dope cloud??) . he told me he had to leave after being caught drunk somewhere,.
Sorry but would not have employed him in the first place....but hindsight is a wonderful thing :)
Either way , he wont be going on ladders till i think it over more .As said above ,if he fell or had an accident , the insurance might not pay out
You will be responsible if he has an accident or damages property etc etc let alone being on a ladder, as he has made you aware. I can just hear it.....
"but I had told my boss and he did nothing about it, so I guess he was ok with me working on for him"
The insurance company wouldn't want to know.
Best deal with it in the best way you can, Phone Acas for advise
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1 of my lads has been working slow, hes been on board about 8 weeks now and if im honest has got slower ,not faster as i expected he would be faster by now
in his first week with me ,the subject of unreliable dope smokers cropped up in conversation,and he agreed with me they are a waste of space-said he knew 1 or2
today as we drove along he tells me hes going to stop smoking weed as its" f/cking him up" ,to use his exact words.
as i sit eating my tea,its dawning on me that the risk on the ladder is high,so high im not sure what to do next .
have any of you lot been dope smokers on ladders? if so whats best to do?
He was a bit stupid in telling you, but what he does in his own time is his business and as he has said he's going to stop. Is he stoned at work ? is he slipping off for a spliff ? that would be cause for concern, however if not why is he slower than when he started ? is it boredom with the job ? have it out with him and tell him your concerns. IMO I'd be more concerned about someone turning into work with a hangover from clubbing several times a week. Warn the lad and give him a chance.
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I know that some people can graft OK and do weed/hash. Never took me that way though. I had stopped quite a while before I started window cleaning so can't really comment on the safety stuff from personal experience.
I think it's important not to let the media stereotypes influence you. There are plenty of people who live perfectly normal lives who smoke dope sometimes. These tend to be the ones who don't let the dope and the lifestyle run their lives though. Just think of it like someone who has a few beers on the odd evening versus someone who gets frequently plastered and is often hung over at work. It's only an accident of history that the dope is illegal and the alcohol legal. Although it probably has happened, I've never known people to slog each others brains out in the street because they've been smoking.
Personally, I would rather live in a society where smoking was socially accepted and alcohol outlawed if I had a choice in the matter.
BTW. I don't smoke or drink.
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Agree with you Paul, think you put it better than me
A couple of joints an evening to unwind after work is not going to be a problem and many people do just that, I worked in an A&E radiography department several years back with many medical proffessionals who did just that plus I have a few teacher mates who do too.
Waking up of a morning and reaching for the king size papers before you've even got your socks on, thats when theres a problem.
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he isnt smoking while working .
HOWEVER ,the safety aspect of this job,this dangerous job needs concentration , means i cant trust a dope smoker . ive now woken up at 4 a.m. worrying , knowing theres 2nd floor ladderwork ahead tomorrow on a big job ,and plenty more coming ahead , id be foolish to allow him to do it
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Personally I 'vaporise' cannabis to aid pain relief and sleeping...whilst I advocate cannabis as a wonderful natural medicine...I would have very strong feelings about working whilst under it's affects as I would about alcohol.
I would give the employee a official warning and re-iterate that your countries laws deem it illegal (stupid IMHO) and lastly make it his final warning and stress that he is never to take it whilst at work or at any time that may affect his work.
Go from there..
Cheers
Dave
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i had a lad in with me a few years back he was well in to all that .one friday afternoon he spiked my drink with speed .even though we got loads of work done that afternoon i well got rid of him .he ended up dieing on drugs a few weeks later .i later found out hed been collecting and stealing money behind my back
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Personally, I would rather live in a society where smoking was socially accepted and alcohol outlawed if I had a choice in the matter.
Iran?
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Agree with you Paul, think you put it better than me
A couple of joints an evening to unwind after work is not going to be a problem and many people do just that, I worked in an A&E radiography department several years back with many medical proffessionals who did just that plus I have a few teacher mates who do too.
Waking up of a morning and reaching for the king size papers before you've even got your socks on, thats when theres a problem.
Indeed it would be a problem. Every smoker worth his salt should learn to stick smaller skins together before embarking on kingsize ;D . A bit like someone WFPing without being able to squeegee.
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he isnt smoking while working .
HOWEVER ,the safety aspect of this job,this dangerous job needs concentration , means i cant trust a dope smoker . ive now woken up at 4 a.m. worrying , knowing theres 2nd floor ladderwork ahead tomorrow on a big job ,and plenty more coming ahead , id be foolish to allow him to do it
Indeed safety is very important. Let's not demonise dope because of the illegality though.
1. A man has a few beers one evening. Climbs ladder next day.
2. A man has a few joints one evening. Climbs ladder next day.
My own experiences point to scenario 2 being the safer.
So long as someone wasn't an habitual, heavy smoker and wasn't deep into an unmanageable lifestyle, I would have no more problem employing a moderate, occasional smoker than I would anyone else.
I even knew a couple of coppers who smoked sometimes and, believe it or not, a clergyman ;D .
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Personally, I would rather live in a society where smoking was socially accepted and alcohol outlawed if I had a choice in the matter.
Iran?
When I posted that I did wonder if someone would post something like that. Iran would actually be an OK place to live if it wasn't run by religious zealots.
I had a place more like Tibet in mind. Of course, Tibet with healthcare, an X-box, and a vehicle would be nice but I guess we can't have it all ;D
Of course no society is perfect.
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Heres my piece.....
10 years ago when i 1st had a saturday job windo cleaning for my mates dad,me and my mates used to get blazed all day running up double 16's all day long withut a care in the world-that was resin though-yes sometimes i felt edgy up there but got by,
Now-3 years ago when i last smoked it after not doing it since the days of resin (this was proper weed) it absolutely blew my mind.Now id smoked since i was 14 everyday and at 22/23 this new strain just put me in a zone.
That said i worked with a lad at my last job as a window cleaner before xmas and he was fine,he will light up at 6am on the shops and the finish at 3,doing in about 4 a day to himself.Hes a good grafter in all fairness.
Bottom line is it affects everyone differently...
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I guess there are employers who would help the guy if he had acknowledged this as being a problem.
He did say he was going to stop smoking it, isn't that something to encourage rather than sack him over?
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I guess there are employers who would help the guy if he had acknowledged this as being a problem.
He did say he was going to stop smoking it, isn't that something to encourage rather than sack him over?
Wouldn't that be rather like encouraging Amy Winehouse to stop taking drugs or else you'd cancel her recording contract?
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I guess there are employers who would help the guy if he had acknowledged this as being a problem.
He did say he was going to stop smoking it, isn't that something to encourage rather than sack him over?
Wouldn't that be rather like encouraging Amy Winehouse to stop taking drugs or else you'd cancel her recording contract?
No. Nothing like it at all.
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Why not?
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I guess there are employers who would help the guy if he had acknowledged this as being a problem.
He did say he was going to stop smoking it, isn't that something to encourage rather than sack him over?
Wouldn't that be rather like encouraging Amy Winehouse to stop taking drugs or else you'd cancel her recording contract?
I think that's the route the original poster is likely to be considering.
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i had a lad in with me a few years back he was well in to all that .one friday afternoon he spiked my drink with speed .even though we got loads of work done that afternoon i well got rid of him .he ended up dieing on drugs a few weeks later .i later found out hed been collecting and stealing money behind my back
i am in a similar situation at the moment , was fine for approx 1 year , then slowed up , came late etc , due to drink and drugs , sacked him for collecting and stealing money behind my back , every now and then he still trys to approach my customers pretending to still be working for me , he s not trying to build a round just after some quick easy money . really annoying , but that is the ( risk ) calibre of people to employ from !
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i used to smoke it all the time trust me get rid, it took me years to stop smoking it i had some near misses which i put down to the smoke the night before
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Dave Wood ...man that was so funny I am splitting my sides.thanks for the laugh,love your wit.
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;D
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ive put an ad. out for a new worker . in the meantime he is sidelined doing parttime leafletting .
If AND ITS A BIG IF , he somehow is transformed into being drug free and operating at a normal speed , in the coming weeks (and i will know,if he constantly tells me so -then i will watch him etc ) , i guess i might let him back on the squeegee
me and my other worker are going to have to work like dogs in the meantime to take up the slack- im cheesed off about that,the extra long days ahead