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UK Floor Cleaning Forum => Carpet Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: jim mca on July 21, 2011, 09:09:45 pm

Title: whats the most important on a porty
Post by: jim mca on July 21, 2011, 09:09:45 pm

Heat or suction I know we would like both but cant have everything so
in your opinions whats the most important.

Cheers Jim

Title: Re: whats the most important on a porty
Post by: Colin Day on July 21, 2011, 09:14:15 pm

I like both, but if I HAD to do without one, it would be heat.....

Title: Re: whats the most important on a porty
Post by: markpowell on July 21, 2011, 09:39:22 pm

Suction everytime its the vaccum that removes the dirt not the psi or the heat
Mark

Title: Re: whats the most important on a porty
Post by: AJB on July 21, 2011, 10:42:53 pm

You can have both.
Series mounted motors give you lift, ie suction.
Parallel mounted give you less suction but more
air moved.
In theory you could have 10000 CFMs, but without
sufficient lift to suck the water into the wand, it would
be useless.
I can't remember where i saw it, but some time ago i
saw a table which recorded the CFMs drawn through
a wand at the carpet interface, surprisingly enough
there was virtually no difference between AO ans VO
machines.
AO had less suction to draw the air through the carpet fibres,
VO had more suction so could draw more air in.
Which just proves the point, they all do the same job.

Title: Re: whats the most important on a porty
Post by: Kinver_Clean on July 21, 2011, 11:31:35 pm

The  operator knowing how to use his machine. (Or her. )

Title: Re: whats the most important on a porty
Post by: Jim_77 on July 21, 2011, 11:41:10 pm

On a decent sized job I used to set up 2 ninjas with a Y-junction to split the vac, so they ran in parallel.

Having used just one Ninja on its own (2 vacs in series) and also an alltec pro plus (2 vacs in parallel) I can definitely say that the 2 ninjas hooked up together kicked butt over either single machines.

The ninja definitely out-performed the pro plus.  2 vacs in parallel simply don't have the required lift to make use of the extra airflow gained.

P.S. to answer the original question, vac performance is essential.  You can use an external heat exchanger, which will probably give better heat and also preserve your pump compared to pumping hot water straight out of the machine.

Over a few years a H/X will pay for itself and a bit more by saving pump failures.

Title: Re: whats the most important on a porty
Post by: AJB on July 21, 2011, 11:47:45 pm

The Powrflite heat exchanger is after the pump.
So the temp' of the fill dictates the temp' through
the pump.

Title: Re: whats the most important on a porty
Post by: Darren O on July 21, 2011, 11:50:06 pm

Heat Exchangers are a complete waste of money

Title: Re: whats the most important on a porty
Post by: Colin Day on July 22, 2011, 12:01:44 am

Quote from: Darren O on July 21, 2011, 11:50:06 pm

Heat Exchangers are a complete waste of money

Please could you elaborate. I'm looking at buying one!!!!

Title: Re: whats the most important on a porty
Post by: Kinver_Clean on July 22, 2011, 09:32:30 am

Unless you start off with warm water there are not enough watts available to heat the water flowing through the jets to any appreciable amount.
If you put two inlines in series then you will get warmish water but use 4 to 6 kW plus 3 kW for the machine so you have to be careful where things are plugged in.

Title: Re: whats the most important on a porty
Post by: cleanability on July 22, 2011, 04:28:22 pm

I agree. I always thought a heat exchanger gave you hot water if you ran cold water through it. To my cost I found out you have to run warmish water through to get it out steaming hot. Absolutely a waste of money.


Chris

Title: Re: whats the most important on a porty
Post by: M.Acorn on July 22, 2011, 05:34:53 pm

Reliability  ;D Suction,pressure,heat

Title: Re: whats the most important on a porty
Post by: Steve Rothwell on July 22, 2011, 06:12:43 pm

the nut on the end of the wand  :P

Title: Re: whats the most important on a porty
Post by: Colin Day on July 22, 2011, 06:22:30 pm

Quote from: Hector M on July 22, 2011, 06:12:43 pm

the nut on the end of the wand  :P

Many a true word is said in jest... ;)

However, you are wrong about the rivet in an earlier post...... ;D

Title: Re: whats the most important on a porty
Post by: Steve Rothwell on July 22, 2011, 06:24:01 pm

 ;D

Title: Re: whats the most important on a porty
Post by: Richard Meads on July 27, 2011, 08:03:27 am

I have a Magma HX, I'd not be without it. I put the inbuilt heater on while I'm seting up (Ninja) so the water's not cold but it beats just using the inbuilt heater.  It all depends on your set up, psi etc.

Title: Re: whats the most important on a porty
Post by: Steve Rothwell on July 27, 2011, 08:12:26 am

why not just put in water from the hot tap ??

Title: Re: whats the most important on a porty
Post by: garyj on July 27, 2011, 01:09:26 pm

Quote from: Hector M on July 27, 2011, 08:12:26 am

why not just put in water from the hot tap ??

You're a bloody genius you are  ;D

And for those EOT cleans with no hot water? How about a load of thermos flasks.

Title: Re: whats the most important on a porty
Post by: Colin Day on July 27, 2011, 01:15:35 pm

Quote from: Garyj on July 27, 2011, 01:09:26 pm

Quote from: Hector M on July 27, 2011, 08:12:26 am

why not just put in water from the hot tap ??

You're a bloody genius you are  ;D

And for those EOT cleans with no hot water? How about a load of thermos flasks.

I just fill up several 20 litre bottles at home if hot water isn't available. It stays hot enough for when I get to the job... :)

Title: Re: whats the most important on a porty
Post by: Steve Rothwell on July 27, 2011, 01:21:41 pm

well............................

I don't use a porty so just askin like     ;D

Title: Re: whats the most important on a porty
Post by: garyj on July 27, 2011, 01:32:08 pm

Hector, how have you managed to hide your post count? And what does 'leet' mean??

Title: Re: whats the most important on a porty
Post by: Steve Rothwell on July 27, 2011, 01:43:43 pm

oooer dunno     :o

mebbe I'm speshul    ;D

Title: Re: whats the most important on a porty
Post by: garyj on July 27, 2011, 02:01:40 pm

Post count back now anyway  ???

Are your ears burning? Just been talking about you, let me know when your landline is in, and did you get my text?

You are indeed speshul  :-X

Title: Re: whats the most important on a porty
Post by: Steve Rothwell on July 27, 2011, 02:05:09 pm

landline is working is the last number I called you from

not received text as no reception out here in the middle of nowhere

Title: Re: whats the most important on a porty
Post by: garyj on July 27, 2011, 02:08:35 pm

Oops  :-[ found it.

Title: Re: whats the most important on a porty
Post by: Sarah Kirby on July 27, 2011, 02:09:52 pm

Gary will you put some clothes on and get away from the computer, I'm waiting to go out! :P

Title: Re: whats the most important on a porty
Post by: garyj on July 27, 2011, 02:16:44 pm

Sorry forgot you were downstairs  :-[. Been on the phone to Hector, you know how he waffles on.

Title: Re: whats the most important on a porty
Post by: Steve Rothwell on July 27, 2011, 05:41:29 pm

 :o

Title: Re: whats the most important on a porty
Post by: Adam P on August 01, 2011, 07:49:59 pm

YOU GUYS ARE DOING IT WRONG!

yay i joined in with this rubbish show. everyone look at me.

any way leet means elite, like really good. it's what us kids use

Title: Re: whats the most important on a porty
Post by: Steve Rothwell on August 01, 2011, 07:59:06 pm

woo hoo

now I'm elite too

new I was speshul

Title: Re: whats the most important on a porty
Post by: Adam P on August 01, 2011, 08:07:32 pm

knew*

and it's also spelt 1337

and it's also polite to say thank you after

Title: Re: whats the most important on a porty
Post by: DavidStainberg on August 01, 2011, 10:10:06 pm

Both, do not separate them.