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UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: Lee Gilroy on July 18, 2011, 05:01:25 pm
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How much do you price yourself for on a Day Rate for Commercial please
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same as any other day rate
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about 50p to get the work
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hot water system
operative
trainee lad who has to come!
fully insured
ipaf certificated
nvq level 2
8 hour shift
diesel included within 100 miles from home
total £300.00 per day
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250 min!
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hot water system
operative
trainee lad who has to come!
fully insured
ipaf certificated
nvq level 2
8 hour shift
diesel included within 100 miles from home
total £300.00 per day
Sure you aint a plumber? ;)
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One off £375
Regular £275-£300
Not bothered about one off's I would rather charge high and if I get it I get it.
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i managed £450 on my 1st big com job, 6hrs work me and my wife, me doing 75% her doing 25%. it was 45ft mind you.
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charge for an 8 hour day £300 or £37.50 per hour which I get for cleaning three houses... ;D ;D ;D
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I take it that you guys aren't very busy on the commercial side with those prices?? :-D
Dean.
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I don't have a fixed rate but it's varied between £160 and £200 in recent years. If it's a fair drive it might be, say, £180 + diesel. This is if I'm spending the whole day on one (maybe two) jobs that are near to each other. If I'm expected to clock up miles on different jobs I might charge even more. It might also vary a bit on how much I want the work/how busy I am/how difficult the work looks etc. In reality, it's very unusual to be on a day rate though. The only regular day work I currently do is one day per quarter when I become part of a team on a large job. I won't write here what I get for that in case any of the other team members look in. It's reasonable to assume that I get more though as I supply my own tools/van/water whereas they don't.
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If you are subbing £120
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I take it that you guys aren't very busy on the commercial side with those prices?? :-D
Dean.
What sort of figure did you have in mind then Dean?
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I have picked up a job commercial, 4 floors with 200 windows.
I was looking at a rate of £300 for the day.
Was not sure if this was too much or too cheap.
On a commercial do you think they would want it every 4 weeks as if I was to suggest 6-8 weeks I would increase the rate.
What do you think ?
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charge for an 8 hour day £300 or £37.50 per hour which I get for cleaning three houses... Grin Grin Grin
Exactly! You can't beat a good paying domestic round!
Andy
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I have picked up a job commercial, 4 floors with 200 windows.
I was looking at a rate of £300 for the day.
Was not sure if this was too much or too cheap.
On a commercial do you think they would want it every 4 weeks as if I was to suggest 6-8 weeks I would increase the rate.
What do you think ?
How long is it going to take you?
How many people will be working on it?
If you are happy with that price, then doesn't matter what anyone else thinks does it, you've got the job, you can't change your mind on the price now!
Hold up......you have got the job, but have no idea whether it is a one off or what regularity they want ???
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If you are subbing £120
I thought that a bit low when I saw it but maybe day work rates can be regional too. I probably live in one of the more expensive areas of the country (southeast).
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I take it that you guys aren't very busy on the commercial side with those prices?? :-D
Dean.
What sort of figure did you have in mind then Dean?
As a one off for a one man band then I don't blame the guys for going for a higher rate,
But as regular day to day work then per man the price needs to be a lot less than the 3-400 quid a day that has been talked about.
I'm not going to start talking prices on here but we've got more work than a proverbial stick can be shaked at and are totally snowed under for 5 of us and charge a lot less than the prices mentioned and still more than make it pay.
Its not all smooth though, a clutch went in one of my vans today and put a major spanner in the works for the rest of the week.
Roll on friday,
Dean.
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I take it that you guys aren't very busy on the commercial side with those prices?? :-D
Dean.
What sort of figure did you have in mind then Dean?
As a one off for a one man band then I don't blame the guys for going for a higher rate,
But as regular day to day work then per man the price needs to be a lot less than the 3-400 quid a day that has been talked about.
I'm not going to start talking prices on here but we've got more work than a proverbial stick can be shaked at and are totally snowed under for 5 of us and charge a lot less than the prices mentioned and still more than make it pay.
Its not all smooth though, a clutch went in one of my vans today and put a major spanner in the works for the rest of the week.
Roll on friday,
Dean.
Could not agree more.
Amazing how people come on this site saying they earn bucket loads of money and then ask if somebody has a cheap pole for sale or a secondhand squeegee etc.
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I take it that you guys aren't very busy on the commercial side with those prices?? :-D
Dean.
What sort of figure did you have in mind then Dean?
As a one off for a one man band then I don't blame the guys for going for a higher rate,
But as regular day to day work then per man the price needs to be a lot less than the 3-400 quid a day that has been talked about.
I'm not going to start talking prices on here but we've got more work than a proverbial stick can be shaked at and are totally snowed under for 5 of us and charge a lot less than the prices mentioned and still more than make it pay.
Its not all smooth though, a clutch went in one of my vans today and put a major spanner in the works for the rest of the week.
Roll on friday,
Dean.
Could not agree more.
Amazing how people come on this site saying they earn bucket loads of money and then ask if somebody has a cheap pole for sale or a secondhand squeegee etc.
you just hit the nail on the head there Mike.
I charge £200 per day on day rate and have done since 2007, for that they me and 650 Litres of water, when the weater runs out then I'm gone so no more than 5 hours.
I also pay £200 per day when subing out although on one job I did pay someone £400 per day for 2 days work
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wont be long before someone says they earn £500 a day everyday,there aint many who dare to say what there day rate is as they will get slated by the rich boys
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I take it that you guys aren't very busy on the commercial side with those prices?? :-D
Dean.
What sort of figure did you have in mind then Dean?
As a one off for a one man band then I don't blame the guys for going for a higher rate,
But as regular day to day work then per man the price needs to be a lot less than the 3-400 quid a day that has been talked about.
I'm not going to start talking prices on here but we've got more work than a proverbial stick can be shaked at and are totally snowed under for 5 of us and charge a lot less than the prices mentioned and still more than make it pay.
Its not all smooth though, a clutch went in one of my vans today and put a major spanner in the works for the rest of the week.
Roll on friday,
Dean.
Could not agree more.
Amazing how people come on this site saying they earn bucket loads of money and then ask if somebody has a cheap pole for sale or a secondhand squeegee etc.
you just hit the nail on the head there Mike.
I charge £200 per day on day rate and have done since 2007, for that they me and 650 Litres of water, when the weater runs out then I'm gone so no more than 5 hours.
I also pay £200 per day when subing out although on one job I did pay someone £400 per day for 2 days work
BFG I agree with you , apart from the fact you charge 200 and pay 200 for subbing, = no money made??
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I take it that you guys aren't very busy on the commercial side with those prices?? :-D
Dean.
What sort of figure did you have in mind then Dean?
As a one off for a one man band then I don't blame the guys for going for a higher rate,
But as regular day to day work then per man the price needs to be a lot less than the 3-400 quid a day that has been talked about.
I'm not going to start talking prices on here but we've got more work than a proverbial stick can be shaked at and are totally snowed under for 5 of us and charge a lot less than the prices mentioned and still more than make it pay.
Its not all smooth though, a clutch went in one of my vans today and put a major spanner in the works for the rest of the week.
Roll on friday,
Dean.
Could not agree more.
Amazing how people come on this site saying they earn bucket loads of money and then ask if somebody has a cheap pole for sale or a secondhand squeegee etc.
you just hit the nail on the head there Mike.
I charge £200 per day on day rate and have done since 2007, for that they me and 650 Litres of water, when the weater runs out then I'm gone so no more than 5 hours.
I also pay £200 per day when subing out although on one job I did pay someone £400 per day for 2 days work
BFG I agree with you , apart from the fact you charge 200 and pay 200 for subbing, = no money made??
Never mind that, get a sub work down my way I'm your man!
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I take it that you guys aren't very busy on the commercial side with those prices?? :-D
Dean.
What sort of figure did you have in mind then Dean?
As a one off for a one man band then I don't blame the guys for going for a higher rate,
But as regular day to day work then per man the price needs to be a lot less than the 3-400 quid a day that has been talked about.
I'm not going to start talking prices on here but we've got more work than a proverbial stick can be shaked at and are totally snowed under for 5 of us and charge a lot less than the prices mentioned and still more than make it pay.
Its not all smooth though, a clutch went in one of my vans today and put a major spanner in the works for the rest of the week.
Roll on friday,
Dean.
OK Dean. I was just trying to clarify which pricing you were referring to as I thought mine was pretty fair - especially for the southeast.
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BFG I agree with you , apart from the fact you charge 200 and pay 200 for subbing, = no money made??
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Sean.
when I do work for other companies I charge my day rate of £200
on big jobs Ive picked up then I pay other subies £200 per day especially when the job has a limited time scale, for instance my biggest monthly job is £1K per clean but I only get 2 days to do it and the owners pick the days when we come and clean ( always a wed and thurs ) and between the hours of 9am-4pm AND WE HAVE TO BE OFF SITE BY 4PM
there is no way I could do it on my own in that time scale so I sub 2 days out at £200 per day and I make £600 for 2 days work.
I also sub internal work out to tradders at £100 per day and as long as I can make some profit from the job I will always sub out
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100% agree with dean
;) ;)
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BFG I agree with you , apart from the fact you charge 200 and pay 200 for subbing, = no money made??
Sean.
when I do work for other companies I charge my day rate of £200
on big jobs Ive picked up then I pay other subies £200 per day especially when the job has a limited time scale, for instance my biggest monthly job is £1K per clean but I only get 2 days to do it and the owners pick the days when we come and clean ( always a wed and thurs ) and between the hours of 9am-4pm AND WE HAVE TO BE OFF SITE BY 4PM
there is no way I could do it on my own in that time scale so I sub 2 days out at £200 per day and I make £600 for 2 days work.
I also sub internal work out to tradders at £100 per day and as long as I can make some profit from the job I will always sub out
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Sorry mate I would tell you to shove it, why should a tradder earn less than the wfp guys. A days work is a days work whatever method you use
I have a few jobs on my books that pay better because the main contractor can't/won't do internal
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Sorry mate I would tell you to shove it, why should a tradder earn less than the wfp guys. A days work is a days work whatever method you use
I have a few jobs on my books that pay better because the main contractor can't/won't do internal
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Stu.
its because the WFP subie will turn up with 650 litres of water and poles up to 60 foot for the job in question.
the tradder turning up to clean the internals will have a bucket mop and blade
its simple mate do the maths
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Stu.
its because the WFP subie will turn up with 650 litres of water and poles up to 60 foot for the job in question.
the tradder turning up to clean the internals will have a bucket mop and blade
its simple mate do the maths
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I get what you are saying but I don't agree, my day rate is my day rate whatever method, and if it is my own work it will be priced with time in mind whatever method I use, although I will agree if you are expecting someone to do 60 foot work then the rate would be higher, but run of the mill stuff that a few years ago would have been done from ladders then no
just added later I think a day rate for a tradder should be higher than a ton especially down your way, I would want more up here
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Stu.
even down these parts mate there are tradders doing day rate for £75 a day.
I pay £100 per day but some of those days will only 4-5 hours max so I think I pay a fair rate considering I do job and finish and the trad work is always internal. have even had jobs finish after just 3 hours so the £100 doesnt look to bad for those hours.
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BFG I agree with you , apart from the fact you charge 200 and pay 200 for subbing, = no money made??
Sean.
when I do work for other companies I charge my day rate of £200
on big jobs Ive picked up then I pay other subies £200 per day especially when the job has a limited time scale, for instance my biggest monthly job is £1K per clean but I only get 2 days to do it and the owners pick the days when we come and clean ( always a wed and thurs ) and between the hours of 9am-4pm AND WE HAVE TO BE OFF SITE BY 4PM
there is no way I could do it on my own in that time scale so I sub 2 days out at £200 per day and I make £600 for 2 days work.
I also sub internal work out to tradders at £100 per day and as long as I can make some profit from the job I will always sub out
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Nice job :) Could do with a few of them myself :)
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Stu.
its because the WFP subie will turn up with 650 litres of water and poles up to 60 foot for the job in question.
the tradder turning up to clean the internals will have a bucket mop and blade
its simple mate do the maths
I get what you are saying but I don't agree, my day rate is my day rate whatever method, and if it is my own work it will be priced with time in mind whatever method I use, although I will agree if you are expecting someone to do 60 foot work then the rate would be higher, but run of the mill stuff that a few years ago would have been done from ladders then no
just added later I think a day rate for a tradder should be higher than a ton especially down your way, I would want more up here
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I'm not so sure. There is definitely a much higher, ongoing cost to running a WFP business - even for a sole trader. If, purely for example, a trad business costs £2 per hour to run and a WFP business costs £5 per hour to run, then the WFPer is shelling out £32 per day more than the tradder (assuming 8 hour day). The daily rate for subbing would need to reflect this. It's nothing to do with doing down a trad cleaner.
I do agree that a ton is too low for a decent trad window cleaner who is self-employed. But I would say that because I' in the southeast.
Just my opinions. Not looking for a quarrel with anyone.
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Stu.
even down these parts mate there are tradders doing day rate for £75 a day.
I pay £100 per day but some of those days will only 4-5 hours max so I think I pay a fair rate considering I do job and finish and the trad work is always internal. have even had jobs finish after just 3 hours so the £100 doesnt look to bad for those hours.
Have you tried the Vikan Easyshine kit with spare pads. I find it knocks a lot of time off the internal cleans and the quality is Ok so long as you change pads enough. It would cut your costs enormously.