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UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: L.Doubtfire - The Blade Runner on July 17, 2011, 10:40:48 am
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Has anyone used the `Groupon`advertising method to get work ?
Would it work for us window cleaners ?
I`ve been reading up on it for awhile now and for the life in me
I can`t `get my head`around any of it. ??? ??? ??? ??? ???
Thanks for replies,
Lewis Doubtfire
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I applied but was told they only had interest in leisure offers ay the moment
There was a guy on there from bournemouth you advertised and sold out.I contacted him and was doing them rock bottom hoping to have them as full time custys I'm gonna email him ask.him how many of the 300 are now regular custys.
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what where there charges doctor
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About 30 % I think
what where there charges doctor
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We just had this question in the carpet section. That went to 8 pages so far. ;D It will be interesting to see what windies think of it. I'm going to stay out of this one if I can. ;D
Here's an example.
http://www.groupon.co.uk/deals/manchester/BragCleaning/527286
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I had a call from a customer for a 1 off clean - 2 storey town house, big windows, filthy frames I quoted £35.00 and got the job. The neighbour from across the road comes over and says that they have been on groupon and are waiting to have their windows cleaned for £9.00. Surprisingly they have been waiting 3 weeks and not heard anything - these people are students and moving out so no chance of repeat business there just lots of one off cleans I suspect. no way would I have cleaned that house for £9.00 :)
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Here you go lads, watch this ad
http://www.groupon.co.uk/deals/bournemouth/HighshineCleaning/465059
The WC gets 3 quid per job.
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i love this business soon as some one comes up with a new way of getting work, automatily it wont work, its like telelsales for commercial that doesnt work either, yet i get work off telesales, i am think of give this ago on gutter cleaning, as think it might be good for bringing in work to be done on crappy days,
if high shine got 300 custy off it great, even if he keeps 100 than is 100 more than he had last month
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i love this business soon as some one comes up with a new way of getting work, automatily it wont work, its like telelsales for commercial that doesnt work either, yet i get work off telesales, i am think of give this ago on gutter cleaning, as think it might be good for bringing in work to be done on crappy days,
if high shine got 300 custy off it great, even if he keeps 100 than is 100 more than he had last month
No Doley, you misunderstand. I think you should go for it. 6 quid (you get 3, Groupon gets 3) for a 20 quid job.
Go and do 300 20 quid jobs for 900 quid. Great idea. Glad you spotted the potential. 300 new custy first cleans Then 20% off second clean, and 10% off the third clean. where do I sign!!!??
300 X 20 quid = 6000
300 X 3 quid = 900 quid
What's wrong with this picture??
Another point is, a custy pays 6 quid for a window clean, bet they love paying 20 quid for the same job after 3 cleans. But they might go to Groupon for the next mug to make a new offer next time. Who knows?
Go for it.
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i wish i could get 300 x £20 jobs, i think it is a good idea, u just need to know what each house is going to cost to do and make the jobs worth while, u need to know what all the charges are
fair enough you might not make a lot on the first clean, but its getting you to custys who want a wc, then it is up to you to get them as regulars, on normally prices
to me it is the same as having a canvessor, you aint goign to amke money on the first clean, its the cleans after when you can fly around that you make money on
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Yes, well spotted, go and do the extra 300 custies at the same time as your normal work and earn an extra 900 quid. You think 100 will stay. Great. After 3 cleans you get the full price. Keep us all updated mate.
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been on sky this morning; sounds ok
you get custys;but very few will stay may work for some
but youll tend to get penny pinchers do you want them ? do you
my model at the mo is to find them with a lot of money and get as much as i can
not work all day for nowt
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i wish that worked where i am, there are houses down here with about 15 windows being done for £7, i lost a £7 job to a bloke charging £5, they are all penny pinchers down here in cornwall
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i wish i could get 300 x £20 jobs, i think it is a good idea, u just need to know what each house is going to cost to do and make the jobs worth while, u need to know what all the charges are
fair enough you might not make a lot on the first clean, but its getting you to custys who want a wc, then it is up to you to get them as regulars, on normally prices
to me it is the same as having a canvessor, you aint goign to amke money on the first clean, its the cleans after when you can fly around that you make money on
The challenge you have is that if you get 300 customers and keep 100 customers, you've done £6,000 worth of work, so effectively you're paying £60 per customer. Also, bear in mind that 300 first cleans is likely to be about 8 man-weeks of work.
By all means go for it, but be aware what you're letting yourself in for.
Vin
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very easy:
a company puts an ad on groupon and sets a min number of orders taken.
then groupon will take a very high percentage off you for the ad.
so rough example: your ad windows cleaned for tenner.
you get a min number of say 20 customers = £200 for you? NO groupon take around 40% off that total.
prob not worth it for window cleaning!
seen alot of carpet cleaners on there.
you would have to be very desperate to go with it.
works really well for say a hotel - better for them to get £20 per room rather than it being empty
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very easy:
a company puts an ad on groupon and sets a min number of orders taken.
then groupon will take a very high percentage off you for the ad.
so rough example: your ad windows cleaned for tenner.
you get a min number of say 20 customers = £200 for you? NO groupon take around 40% off that total.
prob not worth it for window cleaning!
seen alot of carpet cleaners on there.
you would have to be very desperate to go with it.
works really well for say a hotel - better for them to get £20 per room rather than it being empty
Indeed. It depends on the type of business. It wouldn't work (IMO) on businesses which are very labour (time) intensive.
Now if you were selling bags of sweets and making 40p profit on each bag, it may well pay you to only make 10p profit per bag for a short while in order to get your business known.
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I reckon it's good for hotels with empty rooms or restaurants or chip shops. That's all. Like Paul said.
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I think you have to ask yourself if you want quality or quantity. . . if you want to be a busy fool then knock yourself out and work for next to nothing and see some faceless internet cowboy rake in all the profits !
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who sets the discount rates,groupon or the wc
70% seems a lot,then they take money off the wc :P
seems a very expensive way to get business
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They set them Bob, but you have a bit of leeway on what follows regarding extras. The sales people from Groupon wont go below 65% cut, so that leaves maximum 35% to split 50/50 for the poor punter and Groupon.
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For heavens sake guys. You really need to think carefully about this. Cozy and others have made some excellent points that I think a few may have missed.
Groupon is in the business of making money for .... Groupon! They have a clever business model which sells Jack the five magic beans in exchange for his cow.
Jack is the tradesman. He's a builder, a cleaner, a tattoo artist, a shopkeeper, an honest working man/woman who does a good job but is having trouble filling those 40 hours a week with paid work. The magic beans are the promise of the extra work to fill the 40 hours. The cow is the labour of Jack, which he often attaches no value to. Jack thinks that if he's working for £6 an hour then he's better off than if he's sat at home getting under his missus' feet.
Jack often forgets to factor in his overheads. His fuel, his wear and tear on equipment, his pure water, his sandwich for lunch, even his daughter who has suddenly developped a taste for nice clothes. As long as Jack is 'Hauling sixteen tons' as the song goes, he's making progress.
From what I have seen the Groupon system takes about 2/3 of revenue and then expects a hefty discount to be pushed towards the customer. So Jack is now working for maybe 25% of his usual expected earnings. That's fine if he is making money. But in the world we live in today Jack is now running at a loss. He is actually paying for the privilege of hauling sixteen tons.
Nobody should sell themselves short. Work has a recognised value. I never noticed Tesco giving me a 75% off voucher as I walked in on a Monday morning because it was their quiet time. If you're not busy then get a good leaflet and go and leaflet as many houses as you can. Find customers who value your work for what it costs, not giggling 23 year old housewives who have spent a day surfing the net for your slave labour and who will drop you as soon as they can't afford a night out on Friday.
And don't forget if half a day's leaflets only brings you one customer then that's the equivalent of 4 Groupon customers and maybe more
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Clean up to 10 windows and earn yourself......................£3.00 whey hey can't wait to get back into window cleaning ;D
Scoop.....terrific post made all the simpler by using a fairy tale............you are in the wrong business mate. ;)
Cozy..........see you on the carpet side later ;)
Doley would you really clean 10+ windows for £3.00? No you wouldn't it wouldn't cover your overheads.
High shine got 140 takers on that deal, and my money is on they will all be one offs :)
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i wouldnt be doing it for £3 it would be for gutter jobs which would be high prices to start with,
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i wouldnt be doing it for £3 it would be for gutter jobs which would be high prices to start with,
Doley, not being funny or having a pop at you, but you've not understood the system Groupon use. They offer deals to custies with a reduction of minimum 65% but normally 75 to 80%. The rest 15% is then split with the tradesman (YOU). So if you do gutters for 5 quid a meter, you would end up doing them for 7% of 5 quid per meter which is 40p.
If you think that's a good deal, go for it. Let us know how you got on mate.
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Cozy..........see you on the carpet side later ;)
That's not me on there Helen, it's a clone. ;D I'm a nice guy really. ;D
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For heavens sake guys. You really need to think carefully about this. Cozy and others have made some excellent points that I think a few may have missed.
Groupon is in the business of making money for .... Groupon! They have a clever business model which sells Jack the five magic beans in exchange for his cow.
Jack is the tradesman. He's a builder, a cleaner, a tattoo artist, a shopkeeper, an honest working man/woman who does a good job but is having trouble filling those 40 hours a week with paid work. The magic beans are the promise of the extra work to fill the 40 hours. The cow is the labour of Jack, which he often attaches no value to. Jack thinks that if he's working for £6 an hour then he's better off than if he's sat at home getting under his missus' feet.
Jack often forgets to factor in his overheads. His fuel, his wear and tear on equipment, his pure water, his sandwich for lunch, even his daughter who has suddenly developped a taste for nice clothes. As long as Jack is 'Hauling sixteen tons' as the song goes, he's making progress.
From what I have seen the Groupon system takes about 2/3 of revenue and then expects a hefty discount to be pushed towards the customer. So Jack is now working for maybe 25% of his usual expected earnings. That's fine if he is making money. But in the world we live in today Jack is now running at a loss. He is actually paying for the privilege of hauling sixteen tons.
Nobody should sell themselves short. Work has a recognised value. I never noticed Tesco giving me a 75% off voucher as I walked in on a Monday morning because it was their quiet time. If you're not busy then get a good leaflet and go and leaflet as many houses as you can. Find customers who value your work for what it costs, not giggling 23 year old housewives who have spent a day surfing the net for your slave labour and who will drop you as soon as they can't afford a night out on Friday.
And don't forget if half a day's leaflets only brings you one customer then that's the equivalent of 4 Groupon customers and maybe more
Post of the week.
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its ok cozy, where does it state that i have to give a 65% reduction, what happens of i say 150 for gutter cleans but will do it for 50, what percentage do they take
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They wont touch you mate. It's the way they make their money. Look at any Groupon advert. No way around it, the custy gets a massive discount. You get a crap price. Before you make a mistake mate, re-read the thread.
The salesmen will call you if you contact them. See what deal you get. All I've seen is 75% to 85% discounts. Give them a call.
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cheers cozy, just found something about 50 and 25 of whats left, might contact them and see whats what and report back, will use gutter cleans at 100 so numbers are easy to work out
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Go for it mate. Be careful though.
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I knew Scoops was away with the fairy's!
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I knew Scoops was away with the fairy's!
Scoops was post of the week mate. Got the point across for nearly everyone. ;)
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I knew Scoops was away with the fairy's!
At least you've stopped ignoring me Tom ;)
Thank you Tosh. That's an honour coming from someone who's done more posts than I've had hot dinners :)
Thank you Helen and Cozy - I hope there's a grain of truth in the fable.
In reality we all want what's best for each other and it's out of concern for fellow professionals that we put up the warning signs (not to be negative). Doley as you're already signed up I hope it works for you.
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Cozy,Doley,members,I still really don`t get it.
Do Groupon quote your price to the customer,or what?
Imagine,a terrace house,back -to-back,3 windows
And a fan-light,if ya leafleted it,to get it,you`d
Possibly have to quote no more than £3.50p. !
Do Groupon take at least 65per cent of that ? ? ?
Will Groupon with their advertising system ever make
A millionaire for a window cleaner ? ?
Jezzzzzz, ya`d have some glass and a half to clean.
I wonder how much pure water ya`d use or how many
Scrims ya`d wear out doing it ?
The mind bogggggggles :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o
Lewis Doubtfire
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they quote what the original price is, and what the discount is
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Cozy,Doley,members,I still really don`t get it.
Do Groupon quote your price to the customer,or what?
Imagine,a terrace house,back -to-back,3 windows
And a fan-light,if ya leafleted it,to get it,you`d
Possibly have to quote no more than £3.50p. !
Do Groupon take at least 65per cent of that ? ? ?
Will Groupon with their advertising system ever make
A millionaire for a window cleaner ? ?
Jezzzzzz, ya`d have some glass and a half to clean.
I wonder how much pure water ya`d use or how many
Scrims ya`d wear out doing it ?
The mind bogggggggles :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o
Lewis Doubtfire
As I understand it, and from the offers I've looked at, and the people who've had calls from Groupon sales people, it's like this:
They call you and do a deal tat goes with 65% to 85% for the custy as rebate, the rest that's left, you split with Groupon. So a job for 100 quid gets offered online for 15 quid, the custy saves 85%, the rest (15 quid) gets split between the tradesman and Groupon. That's why they sell so many deals. ho could say no to an 85% drop in price?
Here's an example.
http://www.groupon.co.uk/deals/bournemouth/bournemouth-carpet-cleaners/536317?CID=UK_AFF_1047_10_1_1&utm_source=aff_1047&utm_medium=aff_10&utm_campaign=aff_1&utm_content=aff_1&nlp
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I recon it`s safe to say,well nearly perhaps that nobody on CIU
Has done any window cleaning thru`Groupon yet ?
I did comment on the carpet section,ya`ve probably seen it,go
Over and have a look if not.
Whats 85 per cent of £3. 50p ? I know its just an example and
Hypothetical,but as ridiculous as this sounds going with Groupon
Ya`d be worse off doing a massive country mansion `out in the sticks`
That might be anything up to say £150 including perhaps massive
Conservatories for a few quid !
Do the £3.50p terrace for 40 pence.
It`s getting past my bedtime for this maths.
I just don`t get it at all,like most have said it`s Groupon making the
Dosh while we graft for next to nowt ! ??? ::) :-[
Lewis Doubtfire
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From what I read of it .
They sell a £20 coupon for the alotted amount say at 80% discount (to keep numbers easy).
£20 at 80% discount = £4
They take 50% leaving £2 for you ..
Now there is a way to make money on this.
Which is upselling the customer, everything over the £20 discount voucher is yours . The Voucher is only for £20 worth of work at that discount. The windows/gutters/jet washing etc could be worth £35 - £40 - etc...... So you work out tha math on this . It isnt as bad then when you look at the Voucher being for only £20 worth of work ....
Please feel free to correct me if im wrong ... :-)
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Hi, LMG,members, this is my `take`on it.The `key`to
The whole business from our `side of the fence`is to
`up sell`when ya get to each job.The Groupon system
Being just perhaps a little more refined ( if that’s the
Description) than say leaflet `drops`at £5 per room,then
up selling`when ya get thereand the customer ends up paying anything
Perhaps up to or over £100.( I understand we keep that)
It`s possibly a `mild `form of pressure selling.
It`s the only way we can make anything realistic out of each
Job surely ? ?
Many of us window cleaners have added carpet cleaning to our
Daily `grind`,myself included .
Years ago,I`ve run errands and fetched old peoples medication
From the chemists for the price of a `cuppa`.I`ve even tuned in
One old ladies TV when the reception was`nt too special. ;D
P. S. Anyone know how long Groupon have been around ?
Lewis Doubtfire
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Yeah . That is the way it should be. UPSELLING is the way forward.
I think most of the replies have their merit. But not looked at the bigger picture. The Voucher is for £20ss Worth of work. Yes I do agree you will have a major part or a window clean will be for little money. If upsold then it can make you a lot of money....
But if you Aim your own advert to your own venture then I can only see ££££'ssss...
I am a glass half full, not a glass half empty. ;)
Think on this..
A £20 voucher discounted down so the customer has committed to you by purchasing it for say £4 .....
For work on a Gutter clean ... The gutter clean will cost the customer £50 minus the voucher :o....
Then you have made £32 on that clean ;) Happy days all around.. Some will be a smaller earner some may be bigger ... But hay if you can do them when not busy then your filling in empty space in your diary ...
So those who only think in the box will always stay in the box ... Those that think outside the box can reap the rewards ... ;-)
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i agree that the real money is to be made in the upsell but the problem is,the customer isn,t obliged to buy anything more than the voucher and the fact that they went through groupon in the first place speaks volumes,they will probly leave it until the next groupon offer comes along..i do think however that windys have more chance of them becoming regular custys because its a relatively small monthly charge for the service...
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unless you try it for one off type work?
ie con roofs, gutter etc ...
you would have to place the rrp price at a high price to be able to take the hit of the discount for the customer and then the share taken by groupon.
so a con roof £120 take away discount (im not sure what the min discount you have to give)
so just say its 50%, so the customer pays £60, then groupon tske there cut (i know of a cleaning company that used groupon and they took 45% off him, so thats only £30 odd for you.
cant see many rushing to pay £60 for a roof clean?
maybe better off doing a short of house cleaning package? so you do the windows, gutters, con roof and maybe even the insides?
that way you are there for say 3 hours and could still get enough money in to make it worth while, again would have to set the rrp price high! before the discount and groupon share kicks in
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just seen a good example of groupon:
its like the robin hood of the 21st centuary.
the most recent deal i used at groupon:
swindon dogs track:
entry, pint, hotdog and race card = i paid £4! for all that!
so groupon would have taken there share off that!
the place would have made nothing on that! BUT it got more people in there to then spend money.
im struggling to see it work well for any trade where time is money!
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Go for a Groupon deal then. Here's one example, look at how the Highlights are reckoned and fine print . If you think that's a good deal as the carpet cleaner, then I've mis-understood it.
http://www.groupon.co.uk/deals/southampton
Try up-selling when you get there!!!
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Think on this..
A £20 voucher discounted down so the customer has committed to you by purchasing it for say £4 .....
For work on a Gutter clean ... The gutter clean will cost the customer £50 minus the voucher :o....
Then you have made £32 on that clean ;) Happy days all around.. Some will be a smaller earner some may be bigger ... But hay if you can do them when not busy then your filling in empty space in your diary ...
So those who only think in the box will always stay in the box ... Those that think outside the box can reap the rewards ... ;-)
You've mis-understood how Groupon works, look at this deal http://www.groupon.co.uk/deals/southampton
It's not a poxy voucher that is taken off a job!! It's a set deal. Read the highlights and the fine print on the right of the offer. You don't go to Groupon and say "Giz a deal for a voucher". They handle a deal out and offer your set work for up to 85% off!!! Groupon want people to read it quickly and sign, like you were ready to do.
Google deals from Groupon in any area, see what deals you get. Then remember, the price you pay as the customer is what gets split 50/50 with Groupon, if you still fancy a deal with them, knock yaself out and get stuck in mate.
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Go for a Groupon deal then. Here's one example, look at how the Highlights are reckoned and fine print . If you think that's a good deal as the carpet cleaner, then I've mis-understood it.
http://www.groupon.co.uk/deals/southampton
Try up-selling when you get there!!!
No, you understand ok :)
So carpets in 2 rooms and a hallway any size to be cleaned
Consumer pays £28.00 (good deal for them)
Groupon get £14.00 per voucher sold (good deal for them)
Carpet cleaner gets £14.00 per voucher sold for who know how many hours work? What if the room sizes work out to over 100 sq mt, they are advertising any SO postcode which covers the richer areas around Soton.
50% on futher work........whoo hoo I can't wait to advertise one of these deals myself (just in case I am being sarcastic)
Ok so they can upsell on other items, but pretty sure they wouldn't do that at the same time as the carpets, so easy enough for custie to book and then cancel, even if they said yes in the first place.
I have to be honest and say that this looks like the Enterprise mob that used to advertise at £8.99 per room, and don't leave until they have 100's out of the custie's, but who are being investigated by Trading Standards. Easy enough to change your name, your website and what better place than to grab those gullible custies :)
At point of typing they have sold 341, this is not an offer for a small business or one man band, this is for someone that has many operators or at least access to many SE operators.
I believe it could work for some people, but the restrictions on the offer have to be suited to the business operator, and then that takes away some of the "good deal" that the consumer thinks they are getting :)
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Helen, I've let my cup of tea go cold on that last answer!! I give in now. ;D First I get excited on the other section, now it's on this section!! I feel like that kid in Holland with his finger in the hole!!
I now need a week off. Why didn't you post that earlier? ;)
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Yeah . That is the way it should be. UPSELLING is the way forward.
I think most of the replies have their merit. But not looked at the bigger picture. The Voucher is for £20ss Worth of work. Yes I do agree you will have a major part or a window clean will be for little money. If upsold then it can make you a lot of money....
But if you Aim your own advert to your own venture then I can only see ££££'ssss...
I am a glass half full, not a glass half empty. ;)
Think on this..
A £20 voucher discounted down so the customer has committed to you by purchasing it for say £4 .....
For work on a Gutter clean ... The gutter clean will cost the customer £50 minus the voucher :o....
Then you have made £32 on that clean ;) Happy days all around.. Some will be a smaller earner some may be bigger ... But hay if you can do them when not busy then your filling in empty space in your diary ...
So those who only think in the box will always stay in the box ... Those that think outside the box can reap the rewards ... ;-)
Sorry but you need to think before you get out of your box ;D ;D
Using your figures just for examples:
Voucher for £20 WORTH of Gutter cleaning or whatever.
Consumer bought it from Groupon for £4.00
You get £2.00
Groupon get £2.00
So you get £2.00 for that job, nothing nore, nothing less.
Yes you could try and upsell, but what sort of custie do you think buys these ridiculously low priced jobs?
Expanding this :
Groupon sells 400 vocuhers at £4.00 each = £1600.00
Groupn gets £800.00
You get £800.00
How many £20 pounds worth of gutter cleans can you do a day on your own or say with 2 of you?
10? 15? maybe
At 15 per day that is 26 days full work. £800 (your bit) divided by the 26 days = £30.77 per day...... terrific :)
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Helen, I've let my cup of tea go cold on that last answer!! I give in now. ;D First I get excited on the other section, now it's on this section!! I feel like that kid in Holland with his finger in the hole!!
I now need a week off. Why didn't you post that earlier? ;)
Cos I was out earning from custies that want to pay for a quality service. ;D
If you think that one was long see the one after ;D ;D
Sorry your tea went cold, but there is always the microwave ;D
Hmmm, Just as well that kid didn't think I wonder what will happen if I take my finger out of this hole, without deliberating about it!
Unlike some who obviously have put no thought whatsoever into groupon deals
back to the carpet side laters ;D
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Hi Helen,my thoughts exactly.£8.99p per room,blimey,that’s
Dear,I thought it was £5. Per room.I`ve always thought ya
Could get a top class professional for £8.99p.(Only kidding ? )
Oaky,right then,up sell when ya get there.
It`s mainly the gullable and senior citizens that will `buy`it,
At any price.
Example,a pensioner books ya to clean his/her carpet for £8.99p
Ya up sell with protector,another room,this that or the other and
By lunchtime early afternoon the pensioner ends up paying ya
£75 ( assuming they have it) ???
By the same evening the family,grand son etc. etc. phones ya up
Threatening to punch your lights out if you don`t give him/her their
Money back :( :-\
Same thing applies with the young or gullable.
What do ya do??????? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ???
Lewis Doubtfire
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Hi Helen,my thoughts exactly.£8.99p per room,blimey,that’s
Dear,I thought it was £5. Per room.I`ve always thought ya
Could get a top class professional for £8.99p.(Only kidding ? )
Oaky,right then,up sell when ya get there.
It`s mainly the gullable and senior citizens that will `buy`it,
At any price.
Example,a pensioner books ya to clean his/her carpet for £8.99p
Ya up sell with protector,another room,this that or the other and
By lunchtime early afternoon the pensioner ends up paying ya
£75 ( assuming they have it) ???
By the same evening the family,grand son etc. etc. phones ya up
Threatening to punch your lights out if you don`t give him/her their
Money back >:( :o :(
Same thing applies with the young or gullable.
What do ya do??????? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ???
Lewis Doubtfire
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Hi Helen,my thoughts exactly.£8.99p per room,blimey,that’s
Dear,I thought it was £5. Per room.I`ve always thought ya
Could get a top class professional for £8.99p.(Only kidding ? )
Oaky,right then,up sell when ya get there.
It`s mainly the gullable and senior citizens that will `buy`it,
At any price.
Example,a pensioner books ya to clean his/her carpet for £8.99p
Ya up sell with protector,another room,this that or the other and
By lunchtime early afternoon the pensioner ends up paying ya
£75 ( assuming they have it) ???
By the same evening the family,grand son etc. etc. phones ya up
Threatening to punch your lights out if you don`t give him/her their
Money back >:( :o :(
Same thing applies with the young or gullable.
What do ya do??????? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ???
Lewis Doubtfire
Not just the gullible. Someone who is price conscious and hard-nosed enough to ingore the sales pitch will get a true bargain. There are plenty of sharp enough people about to make it not worthwhile in any way for the operator.
Vin
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Vin,a true bargain,for a room cleaning for £8.99p.! :o :o
Everybody loses,it encourages `cowboy`cleaning
Techniques.
I can see where ya coming from thought ;)
Lewis Doubtfire
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Yeah . That is the way it should be. UPSELLING is the way forward.
I think most of the replies have their merit. But not looked at the bigger picture. The Voucher is for £20ss Worth of work. Yes I do agree you will have a major part or a window clean will be for little money. If upsold then it can make you a lot of money....
But if you Aim your own advert to your own venture then I can only see ££££'ssss...
I am a glass half full, not a glass half empty. ;)
Think on this..
A £20 voucher discounted down so the customer has committed to you by purchasing it for say £4 .....
For work on a Gutter clean ... The gutter clean will cost the customer £50 minus the voucher :o....
Then you have made £32 on that clean ;) Happy days all around.. Some will be a smaller earner some may be bigger ... But hay if you can do them when not busy then your filling in empty space in your diary ...
So those who only think in the box will always stay in the box ... Those that think outside the box can reap the rewards ... ;-)
Sorry but you need to think before you get out of your box ;D ;D
Using your figures just for examples:
Voucher for £20 WORTH of Gutter cleaning or whatever.
Consumer bought it from Groupon for £4.00
You get £2.00
Groupon get £2.00
So you get £2.00 for that job, nothing nore, nothing less.
Yes you could try and upsell, but what sort of custie do you think buys these ridiculously low priced jobs?
Expanding this :
Groupon sells 400 vocuhers at £4.00 each = £1600.00
Groupn gets £800.00
You get £800.00
How many £20 pounds worth of gutter cleans can you do a day on your own or say with 2 of you?
10? 15? maybe
At 15 per day that is 26 days full work. £800 (your bit) divided by the 26 days = £30.77 per day...... terrific :)
Ok . Im new ... Im sorry i had input .... NOT ....
You have input on the offer you put on groupon .. You state its for ONLY (say ) 4 mtrs Then the rest they have will be at your rates ... DUH .......... ;)
But there again .. Im new so I wouldnt know about it would I .... DUH ... Not everyone is as negative and as vicious at a new poster . There are ways and means of putting your point over ... But then I dont claim to understand a WOMAN ... ;)
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Vin,a true bargain,for a room cleaning for £8.99p.! :o :o
Everybody loses,it encourages `cowboy`cleaning
Techniques.
I can see where ya coming from thought ;)
Lewis Doubtfire
Oh, I agree that the consequences are dire long-term, have no doubt about that. However, in the short term for a tight customer, it looks ideal.
If I had carpet enough, I might give it a go!
Vin
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Hi Helen,my thoughts exactly.£8.99p per room,blimey,that’s
Dear,I thought it was £5. Per room.I`ve always thought ya
Could get a top class professional for £8.99p.(Only kidding ? )
Oaky,right then,up sell when ya get there.
It`s mainly the gullable and senior citizens that will `buy`it,
At any price.
Example,a pensioner books ya to clean his/her carpet for £8.99p
Ya up sell with protector,another room,this that or the other and
By lunchtime early afternoon the pensioner ends up paying ya
£75 ( assuming they have it) ???
By the same evening the family,grand son etc. etc. phones ya up
Threatening to punch your lights out if you don`t give him/her their
Money back >:( :o :(
Same thing applies with the young or gullable.
What do ya do??????? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ???
Lewis Doubtfire
Not just the gullible. Someone who is price conscious and hard-nosed enough to ingore the sales pitch will get a true bargain. There are plenty of sharp enough people about to make it not worthwhile in any way for the operator.
Vin
Exactly that is why from an operators point of view that has to be tight restrictions :)
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Yeah . That is the way it should be. UPSELLING is the way forward.
I think most of the replies have their merit. But not looked at the bigger picture. The Voucher is for £20ss Worth of work. Yes I do agree you will have a major part or a window clean will be for little money. If upsold then it can make you a lot of money....
But if you Aim your own advert to your own venture then I can only see ££££'ssss...
I am a glass half full, not a glass half empty. ;)
Think on this..
A £20 voucher discounted down so the customer has committed to you by purchasing it for say £4 .....
For work on a Gutter clean ... The gutter clean will cost the customer £50 minus the voucher :o....
Then you have made £32 on that clean ;) Happy days all around.. Some will be a smaller earner some may be bigger ... But hay if you can do them when not busy then your filling in empty space in your diary ...
So those who only think in the box will always stay in the box ... Those that think outside the box can reap the rewards ... ;-)
Sorry but you need to think before you get out of your box ;D ;D
Using your figures just for examples:
Voucher for £20 WORTH of Gutter cleaning or whatever.
Consumer bought it from Groupon for £4.00
You get £2.00
Groupon get £2.00
So you get £2.00 for that job, nothing nore, nothing less.
Yes you could try and upsell, but what sort of custie do you think buys these ridiculously low priced jobs?
Expanding this :
Groupon sells 400 vocuhers at £4.00 each = £1600.00
Groupn gets £800.00
You get £800.00
How many £20 pounds worth of gutter cleans can you do a day on your own or say with 2 of you?
10? 15? maybe
At 15 per day that is 26 days full work. £800 (your bit) divided by the 26 days = £30.77 per day...... terrific :)
Ok . Im new ... Im sorry i had input .... NOT ....
You have input on the offer you put on groupon .. You state its for ONLY (say ) 4 mtrs Then the rest they have will be at your rates ... DUH .......... ;)
Yes, that is only of your restrictions on the deal, so 4 mts from the deal and anything over that at normal price, but that is not quite whta you put earlier :)
But there again .. Im new so I wouldnt know about it would I .... DUH ... Not everyone is as negative and as vicious at a new poster .
Get that chip off yer shoulder for pities sake :)
There are ways and means of putting your point over
Yes there are, you managed it this time but not earlier :)
... But then I dont claim to understand a WOMAN ... ;)
Oh not that old chestnut again and again and again, yawn yawn ;D
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Think on this..
A £20 voucher discounted down so the customer has committed to you by purchasing it for say £4 .....
For work on a Gutter clean ... The gutter clean will cost the customer £50 minus the voucher :o....
Then you have made £32 on that clean ;) Happy days all around.. Some will be a smaller earner some may be bigger ... But hay if you can do them when not busy then your filling in empty space in your diary ...
So those who only think in the box will always stay in the box ... Those that think outside the box can reap the rewards ... ;-)
You've mis-understood how Groupon works, look at this deal http://www.groupon.co.uk/deals/southampton
It's not a poxy voucher that is taken off a job!! :o It's a set deal. Read the highlights and the fine print on the right of the offer. You don't go to Groupon and say "Giz a deal for a voucher". They handle a deal out and offer your set work for up to 85% off!!! Groupon want people to read it quickly and sign, like you were ready to do.
Google deals from Groupon in any area, see what deals you get. Then remember, the price you pay as the customer is what gets split 50/50 with Groupon, if you still fancy a deal with them, knock yaself out and get stuck in mate.
You need to start taking something for your outbursts .. Calm down . :-*
I for one didnt sign up for anything and wasnt about to sign up for anything ...
All I have to say is .... If I did use them for any reason . Then They wouldnt be telling me what I will be doing and for how much and for how many ... That would be for me to set out the guidelines of what I would be prepared to do. If they liked and agreed then we could do some business .. But If they wanted to dictate what I do and how I do it etc then it would be ... No thank you .
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But there again .. Im new so I wouldnt know about it would I .... DUH ... Not everyone is as negative and as vicious at a new poster .
Get that chip off yer shoulder for pities sake :)
Ive not got a chip on my shoulder at all .. Why would I have a chip on my shoulder ... I was being a little sacarstic I admit . But to say I have a chip on my shoulder is a but out of order, seeing as you know nothing about me. .
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LMG. Ladies do defend themselves in this day and age. Helen has a huge amount of received wisdom on this forum.
And I'm sure no aggression was ever intended. This is a debate and your opinion is as valued as everyone elses. I'm sure David Cameron has a sneaky drink with Ed Milliband from time to time.
But please don't resort to expressions like "DUH" which can only imply stupidity on the part of the other debater. If you have a point to make then go ahead and make it and see what reaction it generates. That's the point. That's the fun. If someone takes the opposite viewpoint to yours then they're not thick. They are putting their views across, which we are all entitled to do - you included ;)
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LMG. Ladies do defend themselves in this day and age. Helen has a huge amount of received wisdom on this forum.
And I'm sure no aggression was ever intended. This is a debate and your opinion is as valued as everyone elses. I'm sure David Cameron has a sneaky drink with Ed Milliband from time to time.
But please don't resort to expressions like "DUH" which can only imply stupidity on the part of the other debater. If you have a point to make then go ahead and make it and see what reaction it generates. That's the point. That's the fun. If someone takes the opposite viewpoint to yours then they're not thick. They are putting their views across, which we are all entitled to do - you included ;)
I have no problem with what you say . about ladies defending themselves. If you read the posts . I am the one who is being made out to be the thick one which is the reason for the DUH ... Yes I agree about everyone having their opinion . ... Maybe I wil leave the posting to those that have greater knowledge of all marketing and ideas ... :-X
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But there again .. Im new so I wouldnt know about it would I .... DUH ... Not everyone is as negative and as vicious at a new poster .
Get that chip off yer shoulder for pities sake :)
Ive not got a chip on my shoulder at all .. Why would I have a chip on my shoulder ... I was being a little sacarstic I admit . But to say I have a chip on my shoulder is a but out of order, seeing as you know nothing about me. .
Ok , so you don't have chip on your shoulder, you have said you don't, so I accept you don't.........
(but why type in a way that gives others the impression that you do?][
Not everyone is as negative and as vicious at a new poster
(You have no idea what I typed out before that and decided not to post ;D ;D)[/i]
Anyway nothing was aggressive or vicious from me :)
Wasn't particularly negative either, just realistic.
Groupon isn't for our business, but it may be for yours or someone elses. As I put in a previous post, We prefer to work for people that want quality work not for cheapskates that just have work done when there are ridiculously low deals going on that could put you put of business. :)
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Groupon isn't for our business, but it may be for yours or someone elses. As I put in a previous post, We prefer to work for people that want quality work not for cheapskates that just have work done when there are ridiculously low deals going on that could put you put of business. :)
Im not yet in the window cleaning business . But dont have a round at the moment. So If I did go into this then my eyes would be open . The groupon way may or may not be for me. I would have to look deeper into it before I would comit to anything like that.
For someone just starting out then if the offer is worded correctly and has the chance of upselling or may even get 1 or 2 regular customers then it isnt a bad way to start off.
I do understand you will get a few that will be getting things for next to nothing . But If you have no work and just starting out. People see you working in that street then the opportunity is there to exploit the neighbours and canvass that you have just cleaned number ......
Yes your petrol would be covered and maybe pick up some other work ...
Im a believer in you reap what you sow . ... Sow enough seeds you will get a decent harvest as long as you keep working at it .. :)
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Good points there. I wonder why you've opened a new ID on here though. easy to spot people who know their way around on here. Not really bothered though as it makes no difference.
As you pointed out, being in a street will get you noticed, but so would a run of the mill customer. You'd be in the street when you pick the first custy up.
There is no way anyone can get more work with Groupon (Apart from working for a couple of quid a job) than from a standard leaflet drop of around 5000 leaflets. An even better way to get work faster and worth ten times more than Groupon, is to leaflet and door knock within a couple of days.
There is no free lunch in business mate. I wouldn't touch a shyte deal where I work for 10% of what I normally take. When my business gets that badly run, I'll go back to driving a truck.
Calm down mate, not having a pop at you, just don't understand how you can see Groupon like you seem to see it.
To me, it's obviously a shyte deal for people who have little or bad business sense.
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Good points there. I wonder why you've opened a new ID on here though. easy to spot people who know their way around on here. Not really bothered though as it makes no difference.
As you pointed out, being in a street will get you noticed, but so would a run of the mill customer. You'd be in the street when you pick the first custy up.
There is no way anyone can get more work with Groupon (Apart from working for a couple of quid a job) than from a standard leaflet drop of around 5000 leaflets. An even better way to get work faster and worth ten times more than Groupon, is to leaflet and door knock within a couple of days.
There is no free lunch in business mate. I wouldn't touch a shyte deal where I work for 10% of what I normally take. When my business gets that badly run, I'll go back to driving a truck.
Calm down mate, not having a pop at you, just don't understand how you can see Groupon like you seem to see it.
To me, it's obviously a shyte deal for people who have little or bad business sense.
This is my first and only ID and as much as you think you do, you dont know me . If you think you do what part of the country am I from ...
By the way . I do have other trades im qualified at .... One im unable to do anymore... :( I see it as a tool that could be used. If it is used in a way to benefit someone to get noticed and some work IF used in the correct way to boost your own business . Maybe not cleaning windows but Gutters and you set the perameters of the deal ... Groupon have a choise to take it . or leave it ... If they take it the way you set it out great . If not ... Then you dont have to use them ;)
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Forget the ID issue then. Who gives a toss anyway?
Groupon have turned over billions on dollars worldwide. I'm sure when some window cleaner or gutter cleaner or carpet cleaner can squeeze a good deal out of them, so they can keep there head above water. You seem a switched on cooky.
Go for it.
OOPS, nearly forgot, let us know how you got on. If I can remember this thread.
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Forget the ID issue then. Who gives a toss anyway?
Groupon have turned over billions on dollars worldwide. I'm sure when some window cleaner or gutter cleaner or carpet cleaner can squeeze a good deal out of them, so they can keep there head above water. You seem a switched on cooky.
Go for it.
OOPS, nearly forgot, let us know how you got on. If I can remember this thread.
Why thank you , sorry if you got the wrong end of the stick about knowing me :o... I may be a switched on cooky but be nice. There is no need for your anger ... Ooops .. or Sarcasm ....
I may or may not use them as I said .. But didnt say it would be for window cleaning did I ... I have othere things I do so maybe I will use it for the flat roofing side of the business....
Lets just be friends 8) without any ander and enjoy some debate without the agressiveness and sarcasm and finger pointing as its not good for blood pressure and stress ... :)
By the way .. My name is 'Lewis' and Im from the city which is the latest member to the Barclays Premier League .... Swansea ;)
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Forget the ID issue then. Who gives a toss anyway?
Groupon have turned over billions on dollars worldwide. I'm sure when some window cleaner or gutter cleaner or carpet cleaner can squeeze a good deal out of them, so they can keep there head above water. You seem a switched on cooky.
Go for it.
OOPS, nearly forgot, let us know how you got on. If I can remember this thread.
By the way .. My name is 'Lewis' and Im from the city which is the latest member to the Barclays Premier League .... Swansea ;)
Oh! I'm sorry Lewis, honestly mate, if I'd have known you were from Swansea, I wouldn't have been so short with you.
Nowadays, it's not such a stigma to come from Swansea. Some of the normal people I've met in my lifetime have come from terrible places too.
Don't let it effect you on here though mate. We can't choose everything in life. Chin up, ignore the jibes, at least you're not a Geordie.
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Nevermind Cosy .... You cant seem to leave the sarcasm alone...
I know and so do many more. That the Gower peninsular (where I was born and bred) is a place of natural beauty . It was also the first place in Britain to be designated an area of outstanding natural beauty .
I was not born with a sliver spoon in my mouth . I was born with the privilage of seeing such scenery every day that most people would die just to see the once. I was born not with anger . but with love and grace and an open heart . to have sea air fill my lungs when I breathe . To wake up with a smile if it is sunny or if it is bad weather . ... But that is a privilage I do not take for granted .. ;)
from the great words of wisdom in the famous Monty Python film - THE LIFE OF BRIAN ....
Brian: Please, please, please listen! I've got one or two things to say.
The Crowd: Tell us! Tell us both of them!
Brian: Look, you've got it all wrong! You don't NEED to follow ME, You don't NEED to follow ANYBODY! You've got to think for your selves! You're ALL individuals!
The Crowd: Yes! We're all individuals!
Brian: You're all different!
The Crowd: Yes, we ARE all different!
Man in crowd: I'm not... :o
The Crowd: Sscccchhh!
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So groupon take 50% or try too.
Question: Do you collect email addresses of all your customers, if you do then we can speak with you about placing your own groupon style software onto your existing website, and use this as a promotion on extra services like gutter, conserv and more.
If you are interested then we would love to show you a demo, plus you could keep keep most of the fees yourself and market to your existing or old customers in a genuine unique way.
Let me know if you wish to have a chat and view a demo.
Its a fantastic tool if used creatively.