Clean It Up
UK Floor Cleaning Forum => Carpet Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: Gareth H Davies on June 27, 2011, 08:30:37 am
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Hi all,
Doing a trail job for a guy tomorrow, his company maintains 90 appartments and is looking for a day rate to deep clean the carpets.
All the appartments will be done every 6 months and wants a day rate for 7 hours in which he will supply me enough keys to cover this.
So I was wondering what sort of price you guys would consider reasonable?
Cheers
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One man ,machine and chems £250-300 with immediate payment, any more and he can easily buy kit and train a person , any less and it wont be worth your while.
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Maybe dont go on the hour rate and do it per room etc..
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£180 all in.
It's work booked in why be greedy.
Your there all day and no travelling.
John
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Not sure that it wouldn't involve travelling, unless the 90 are all in one block.
7hours @ £30 / hour sounds reasonable IMO, 210 for the day, plus vat, and prompt payment. There again, you can translate the number of apartments cleaned in a day to the £210 rate, in my experience, some apartments will have only a tiny carpeted area, then some will have 3 or 4 carpeted bedrooms,
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Gareth who says how many are to be done in the stated 7 hours its best to clarify that before working out the day rate as there is a lot of difference between doing 4 jobs to doing 7 for example.Regards Alan
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One man ,machine and chems £250-300 with immediate payment,
Same as Jason although I know someone on here who claims his day rate is £700 ;D Yeh good luck with that ;D
But it does depend on whereabouts you are. Glasgow could be £150......London £350
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Thanks for the advice guys. I prefer to price per job or per room but he is insisting on a day rate so......I will find out how many he expects to be done in that timescale tomorrow. I agree jason/neil and was thinking about the 300 mark, not too high not too low. Cheers.
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I have a 4 day job comIng up £4k. Don't ask and you won't get ;)
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I know someone on here who claims his day rate is £700 Grin Yeh good luck with that
Wonder who that is ?
I try and obtain £100 p/hr and I am usually not far off that,say between £80 and £100 per hr
Just booked a large ish commercial for £455,will take me around 6 hours if I take it steady.
Must have the gift of the gab,or a brass neck.
Have also just been paid to clean a hall stairs and landing £300 ,it's just over 800 sq foot though,not your average house,it's worth well over 1.5 million.
I would say I would like to see one of the apartments,I would also like to know how many they would expect me to get done in a day.
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I try and obtain £100 p/hr and I am usually not far off that,say between £80 and £100 per hr
Yes but that's not a day rate is it? What you are doing is playing with figures and saying your rate is £80/hour is like saying you turn over £128,800 a year which we all know you don't.
We can all get those odd jobs that pay £80-£100 for an hours work but we are talking about someone who wants to 'hire' a carpet cleaner for several days in a row. And that is vastly different for a guarenteed week or two's work on one project.
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Would say between £350 and £400 then,depending on what they were expecting to get done in a day
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Each job and client is different but approximately £200 give or take a bit depending on the job.
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Gareth...forget all the bull about 2k an hour etc!!! big job this rate n that rate...!!!
You've the chance for a good amount of work there and then again in 6 months... just work out what you're happy to take home per day after after all you costs etc..... dont price yourself out of it by being greedy....price yourself into by being realistic...and that gauranteed income in 6 months
£30 per hour will give you over 1k per week based on what you said...not sure where you are at but thats good money in many a decent occupation e.g legal / accountancy etc..
what is the customer expecting to pay??...what is their budget....sure you can negotiate something that suits both you and him....goood luck
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Plucking figures isn't the way to do it. Each business is different and people have different circumstances. A business should know how much they need to earn a day to be profitable. You should have a business plan, it isn't easy but having one is sensible and gives you goals to aim for. You should be able to work out how much you need to charge per day by calculating your costs and how much you need to live on. And don't forget to factor in capital costs to go towards replacing equipment vehicles etc down the line. Doing this is a very worthwhile excercise and gives you a figure you can use for work like this or commercial work.
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Hi Guys
It would depend on where you are in terms of your business.
I would quote £400 to £500 but would't get it and wouldn't really want it.
However 20 years ago a few days guaranteed at 250 to 300 in todays prices would have made life a lot easier.
Only you can know what you are prepared to work for.
Cheers
Doug
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I would ask for £800-£1000 per day.......
Then when he stopped laughing, I'd aim for £250-£350.... ;D
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If your a newbie then you will want this work as its a start and gets your confidence up too on the job...
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if I'm working 7hrs at his place of employment that mean I'm not working 7hrs some where else, so my day rate must be what I would earn on a normal day if I work for 7hrs.
I can clean 3 suites in 7hrs inc travel from each job = £390ish
I can clean 2 x 4 bed houses in 7hrs inc travel = £400
I can clean 7 lounges in 7hrs inc travel. = £410
so my day rate must be aprox £400
the fact that it is all in one place makes no difference.
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Make sure you dont fall for the promise of loads of ongoing work at a low rate, doing few cleans then it ends. I would want 300 per day for 3 empty 2 bed appartments at 2 hours each steady away with an hour lunch or I would not be interested.
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just to add to my post...
what if I turn up and he wants 10 lounges clean in 7hrs or 3 x 4 bed houses do I tell him it can't be done in 7hrs or do I work my bum off trying to do the work but at a lesser quality.
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Just to add to my post, the 3 apartments would have to be in the same complex.
Mark
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I'm with mark,
Remember promises are easy to make
Aim for great day rate assuming you will only do a few days work and get no repeats in 6 months
Mr B
Even at £400 per day the guy is getting a good deal
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Want a day rate = wants a bargain and to be your boss
Plus it will be student properties next month as it changeover time
Ask all the question mike mentioned I had this same thing he last two years,and the guy wanted 10 house done in a day over three streets so it was a set up each time. Asked him what he wanted to pay and he thought 200 was the most he'd pay. He was ringing the whole yellow pages trying to get us to bid off for the work.
Oddly enough saw another company doing the job on the day, a i had one of the address & they have over run and needed anothe day, which they weren't getting paid for as the client said said it would only take a day.
Be careful stick to your way of doing thing and maybe offer a discount for volume?
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Gareth,
I'd be careful on this one. Promises of future work are often used to squeeze prices. The chances are he just wants them all done on the cheap and you won't hear from him again, or they will be nightmare jobs in the first place.
I would give him a price based on bulk. In other words, if you give me three apartments on the same day £xx each and so on so that the price incentive encourages more jobs and if there isn't the bulk work he lured you in with, at least you're not doing them all for next to nothing, which is really what he's looking for.
Simon
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I do flats for a let agent - 3 blocks of flats on the same piece of land.
If I do one or two at a time I charge the full price per flat
If a do 3 in the day I will discount a tenner of each.
Even moving the machine from one block of flats to the next is a task.
I agree with all the others - dont fall for the "theres more in the future"- meaning lower prices now please.
Price for today and tell him if there is more on a regular basis then you will rejig your prices accordingly.
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And make sure you get paid These Characters are slow payers
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Want a day rate = wants a bargain and to be your boss
Plus it will be student properties next month as it changeover time
Ask all the question mike mentioned I had this same thing he last two years,and the guy wanted 10 house done in a day over three streets so it was a set up each time. Asked him what he wanted to pay and he thought 200 was the most he'd pay. He was ringing the whole yellow pages trying to get us to bid off for the work.
Oddly enough saw another company doing the job on the day, a i had one of the address & they have over run and needed anothe day, which they weren't getting paid for as the client said said it would only take a day.
Totally agree with this and other posts suggesting CAUTION......................
You can choose to do what you wish, but this allowing someone to dictate how you will work, how they choose to pay you and how much they expect you to complete in a day.
It might sound attractive but so many " There could be a lot more work to follow statements " are used to get the BEST DEAL for the buyer NOT THE SELLER.
Be careful stick to your way of doing thing and maybe offer a discount for volume?
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For my hotel clients when they are looking at doing a full clean of the hotel I charge them on an ever decreasing scale. i.e £100 for the first room going down to £10 for the final one. That way there is an incentive for them to get all the rooms done to get a lower avergae price but it also covers me if all of a sudden they take in a gypsy wedding at short notice of about 500 guests all wanting to stay (some bring their trailers) and we never get back in to finish the contract.
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been reading this thread with interest.
I have quite a few clients i have been dealing with a few years now who are on a day rate basis.
In the first instance you need to be carefull about giving out a day rate price until you find out what, how and where you are cleaning.
Also the system you are using .
I have one particular client who has a very large holiday park not statics but chalet type accomodation. they called me because they were unhappy with the previous cleaner. had a meeting and they were quite clear on the fact that they prefered to do things on a day rate basis.
they showed me how much the previous had been charging £150 a day and the amount they were doing in a day ( he was taking the P***) 6 single chalets in a day. my day rate is for this particular job 4 times his but we get ten times more done in a day with the trucky. customer is happy i am happy. 2 years down the road and i expect to be back there again next year as i cleaned the boss mans house 2 weeks ago.
for houses i wont do day rates all on an individual basis. i have letting agents landlords who dont even ask me the price before because they trust me and i trust them.
if you value yourself at £100 a day then charge it likewise if you value yourself considerably higher because of the volume of work to a high standard you can achieve .
its all a question of taking each job on an individual basis and both parties being happy.
dont become an individuals slave.
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Also 7 hours cleaning on one site is a long and tiring day. A few days at that and youll need a day off to recover.
MArk
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So what was the out come then? :)
was he trying to have you over? what happened the the last guy that was doing it would have been my question
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they showed me how much the previous had been charging £150 a day and the amount they were doing in a day ( he was taking the P***) 6 single chalets in a day. my day rate is for this particular job 4 times his but we get ten times more done in a day with the trucky. customer is happy i am happy. 2 years down the road and i expect to be back there again next year as i cleaned the boss mans house 2 weeks ago.
So that £600 for 60 single chalets in one day ?
Is that 2 of you?
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they showed me how much the previous had been charging £150 a day and the amount they were doing in a day ( he was taking the P***) 6 single chalets in a day. my day rate is for this particular job 4 times his but we get ten times more done in a day with the trucky. customer is happy i am happy. 2 years down the road and i expect to be back there again next year as i cleaned the boss mans house 2 weeks ago.
So that £600 for 60 single chalets in one day ?
it is joe . perfectly set up for tm big square court yards only have to move the van once. no furniture to move we have done more than 60 in a day before.
Is that 2 of you?
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Is there 2 of you on the job?
You used the term "we" as in "but we get ten times more done in a day"
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2 man team one truckmount . my helper vacs, pre sprays and agitates in front of me moves hoses etc.
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how about saying it'll be your normal non discounted rate for the first clean and then if he's happy you'll offer x amount of discount for the second time and then every time after that. this way he's getting a good price if he sticks to his promises) and you aren't getting ripped off