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UK Floor Cleaning Forum => Carpet Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: Angelo on June 12, 2011, 09:14:21 am
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hi guys good day to everyone .
i need your your advice please . am sure some one here will know a good website designer with very good seo . i am looking for a good one, not a very chip one , and not a rip-off one , but someone that can built a good website and update my existing one ,that can take you to a good position on google .
you tips and advice much appreciated..:smile::D:cool:
Angelo
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I can think of only 2 who have a good reputation and know the carpet cleaning business
http://www.clean-pro.co.uk/Web_Design.htm
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http://www.carpetcleaningwebsites.co.uk/
someone else might be able to offer other suggestions
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Hi there, Mark From Dp design and print / carpet cleaning webites in hull very good and helpful.
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the team that did mine are fantastic have a look www.simplycleancarpets.co.uk :)
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the team that did mine are fantastic have a look www.simplycleancarpets.co.uk :)
Nice site Mark, like the idea of the quote calculator.
Maybe you could nudge the price of the 3 pc suite up, i would put it per seat @ £??
Just a suggestion mind.
Mark
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Why do you want a new one Angelo?
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i want to target a different town . :-[
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Mark what package did you purchase for the website and what monthly hosting
ps agree with mark powell
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Nice idea with the calculator too..
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Im sure I went with gold but they did/do a great job never feels like a cheaper option always very quick to assist with any changes and tweaks think website was about 350
The calculator saves price shoppers to a degree not to sure if I miss phone calls due to people knowing the prices but don't want price shoppers annoying me while working anyway :) it makes the survey easy as most times looking for stains and not worrying about if this is out of their price range. Although you still get the my lounge is smaller than average so how much phone calls
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Mark,
Maybe I'm using the wrong terms but apart from Google Places, I cannot see your site in the search results.
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Gary where else did you look?
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Mark
Ive always been puzzled when a standard price is quoted for lounges etc, surely a lounge can vary greatly in size ?
Does that mean if a lounge is 30' x 20' you still would quote £30.00 ?
Just wondered whether people could use this to get alot done for a small price ?
Steve
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no I explain prices vary on sizes of lounges thats just the minimum some try but most get a survey done as I'm always close by to pop round
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Gary where else did you look?
I just took the keywords from your title eg "carpet cleaning Dunstable", "carpet cleaning Luton"
Forgive me if I've missed them.
Garry
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i'm sure i'll be burning in hell because i've said this against our beloved mark from dp but just thought i'd add that although people are fine with the results at the moment (and they should be as some get up on google) they're only really there because of the linking between sites. every time you get a site built from him it's linked to from every other site for carpet cleaning that he makes. sounds great as it does get results, but this is clearly against the rules that google set so if it hasn't already it will only get worse and worse for people that have a site by him and you'll one day just completely lose ranking and then have to pay to get it sorted and wait months until you get what you had back. similar to the panda update google did a couple months ago, people on here said there site just completely disappeared from google. not good when most work comes from it.
the on site seo imo is poor and often lacking with even the basics, though with that said for the low price it's what you'd expect so the site reflects the money paid pretty much spot on, but imo risky and could be done better and should be considering this is the number one way people will find your business and it'll only become more popular.
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and thats just the tip of the googleberg. ;D
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It's the first time Kermit has written something I agree with :o
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It's the first time Kermit has written something I agree with :o
You go steady, you'll be kissing and making up soon :-*
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I've always though that Marks Link network was risky but it works, to base web design on what Google might do in the future is risky. you could say the same about the naming of websites under towns & trade eg; www. colchesterlocksmiths.com instead of the real company name. which is done purely to manipulate google search results. I would have thought this would at some time be penalised.
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At the moment, my website by Mark is getting me lots of extra work compared to this time last year. If something [Google] does give, it'll be Mark I'll employ to find a solution, you can bet your bottom dollar he'll be ahead of the game ;) He knows what he's doing/talking about and he offers good value and on-going support....
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From Google Webmaster Tools...
Link schemes
Your site's ranking in Google search results is partly based on analysis of those sites that link to you. The quantity, quality, and relevance of links count towards your rating. The sites that link to you can provide context about the subject matter of your site, and can indicate its quality and popularity. However, some webmasters engage in link exchange schemes and build partner pages exclusively for the sake of cross-linking, disregarding the quality of the links, the sources, and the long-term impact it will have on their sites. This is in violation of Google's Webmaster Guidelines and can negatively impact your site's ranking in search results. Examples of link schemes can include:
•Links intended to manipulate PageRank
•Links to web spammers or bad neighborhoods on the web
•Excessive reciprocal links or excessive link exchanging ("Link to me and I'll link to you.")
•Buying or selling links that pass PageRank
The best way to get other sites to create relevant links to yours is to create unique, relevant content that can quickly gain popularity in the Internet community. The more useful content you have, the greater the chances someone else will find that content valuable to their readers and link to it. Before making any single decision, you should ask yourself the question: Is this going to be beneficial for my page's visitors?
It is not only the number of links you have pointing to your site that matters, but also the quality and relevance of those links. Creating good content pays off: Links are usually editorial votes given by choice, and the buzzing blogger community can be an excellent place to generate interest.
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Here's the link... http://www.google.com/support/webmasters/bin/answer.py?answer=66356
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that's correct mike kind of. they aren't penalising but removing the benefit more and more from the domain name matching the keywords so those who pay now for this method will be paying again soon as it is happening.
obviously you can say it's hard to know what google may do in the future but it is something they are working on. google don't like link networks and will penalise and get better at finding it, google plan to remove the power keyword domain names have. it'd be silly to continue using these methods to gain serp.
out of interest can people do a search on google for 'carpet cleaning websites' and tell me the first 5/6 results?
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You are third Adam
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cool
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Adam why do you want to list for carpet cleaning websites
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never tried to get it to list for that search term. it's not our main site either so it's doing well considering its position. guess they realise how awesome i am or something.
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marks first and second. ;D
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give it time ;) considering his site has been there a lot longer, has a lot more links and keywords in the domain, and the search term is a lot more related to his site, mine isn't that far behind.
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I'll still stick with who I can trust.... "Mark" the "Bunny Boiler", as he will soon be known ;) ;D ;D ;D
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I think we should create 9 optimised websites ;) ;)
The term "carpet cleaning websites" gets low traffic. 210 a month global and 36 local searches a month according to google. Probably less that in real life. Thats why its so easy to rank for it. Try ranking for "live sex cams" or "prada hangbags".
Common sense.
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fair enough colin. he's the pro after all i'm just a carpet cleaner what do i know. i'm not trying to convince you not to use mark but put my un-educated thoughts into this thread for the op and anyone else in a similar position.
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fair enough colin. he's the pro after all i'm just a carpet cleaner what do i know. i'm not trying to convince you not to use mark but put my un-educated thoughts into this thread for the op and anyone else in a similar position.
I'll be honest... I CBA'd with all the terminology and computer speak. I don't understand it all and it bores me rigid. I pay Mark and he gets me work, that's all I'm bothered about. If the goal posts move with Google, I trust Mark will be one step ahead.... What more could "I" ask for? :)
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for the price he charges not much else. it takes the fuss away from you, doesn't cost an arm and a leg and currently gets results.
staying one step ahead means you got to keep looking at what's going on. i keep checking and posting some of what i see, and that is google saying link networks are a no no, and keyword domains will lose the bonus they've been having, which imo is the 2 main ways his sites rank (though sometimes highly) at all.
what you're saying colin is you'll react rather then anticipate. i know which one i'd rather do.
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I think Colin's attitude is perfectly reasonable in fact I think more carpet cleaners should think like that. Whilst we are responsible for cleaning carpets, balancing the books and marketing, this does not mean we have to get bogged down in these things, in fact the most successful don't even clean carpets themselves.
There's too much time and not enough money, this is the main reason carpet cleaners seem to be so fixated on web design and seo. It's like a displacement activity to relieve the anxiety of an empty diary.
Sadly, much of what is learned today will be defunct tomorrow. Get good at finding good people, unless you want a change in career.
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meh. websites are important. seo is importan.
i'd want to stay up to date with what's going on with seo to the best of my ability because it's the number one way customers will look for what they need. If i owned a store in my town selling easter eggs i'd want to stay clued up on more then just how to make an easter egg.
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meh. websites are important. seo is importan.
i'd want to stay up to date with what's going on with seo to the best of my ability because it's the number one way customers will look for what they need. If i owned a store in my town selling easter eggs i'd want to stay clued up on more then just how to make an easter egg.
I have better things to spend my valuable spare time on, like bringing up 3 children.... I don't need to worry about website's and seo, why would I want the added unnecessary stress....? I agree seo and website's are important, which is why I use Mark's services.....
I strive to give the best service I can to each and every customer, by continually learning and keeping my eye on the ball in the world of cleaning products and practices.....
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meh. websites are important. seo is importan.
I agree, it's really important as nowadays, it's an important part of your marketing mix. But if you are not interested in it or have the capacity you would be daft not to find someone who can do it for you and hand over some cash. This doesn't mean you're out of control and don't know what's going on.
It's no different to having an accountant. Let them do what they are good at or you hate doing, just make sure you are monitoring it and have enough of an idea to know what you want.
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Adam why moan about what mark is doing if its not for you then do your own
thing but stop snipping as mark is only trying to make a living the same as
everybody on here Ive got one of his sites cost £230 at the time first job got
me over £2000 could have done a freebie but wanted something more pro
looking then again could have spent £1000 on a super dooper not cheating
site and made nothing
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wow surprising. give some advice (which is the whole point of this thread) and get flammed.
the op ASKED FOR ADVICE FOR SOMEONE WHO DOES GOOD SEO. he didn't want to hear one persons opinion, especially i don't imagine he wanted to hear the opinions of people who don't know what they are talking about in this area either. As mark is charging for this service I think the on site SEO on mark's sites are generally poor. the results are only there because of off site reasons and i also feel soon things will change as they are against googles guide lines, and i'm not the only one on here that thinks that. is this against the rules now?
this thread started by giving advice directly to the first post and then naturally progressed to what it is now. I don't see why colin needs to explain how he feels mark is ahead of the curve when colin hasn't got any experience in this area, but the point of this thread was to give different views and i appreciate why he uses his services (and that quite simply is because mark's sites are currently getting colin work). colin is right in that get on with what you're good at. what i think i have knowledge in is the question in this thread. what i've said isn't unfair and i've even said i see why people use his low cost service as they do get low cost results.
what you've said jim is basically "shut up as i don't want to read your different opinion".
in another thread the op asked for good acid rinse. are we not allowed to give more then one view in that thread either? am i allowed to say i don't use fibre and fabric rinse because it's expensive and that i prefer rinse x from cleansmart or is this classed as moaning at prochem?
this is what the op asked for...
a good website designer with 1. very good seo . 2. not a very cheap one , and 3. not a rip-off one
1. imo mark's site aren't very good seo. if you think getting results mean they've got very good seo then this just shows your lack of knowledge in the area and perhaps maybe you should be the one to stop snipping.
2. mark's sites are very cheap. £200 for a website is really nothing to what people should be paying. trouble is people don't appreciate them as much as they should
3. i hope i made it clear though that they aren't a rip off and you get everything you pay for. He isn't charging £200 but giving £50 work.
1 out of 3 for what the op is looking for :-*
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I think Adams got a point there
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I say good luck to Mark. At least you could say he's a professional i.e. making money doing websites and SEO as opposed to playing around with it and hanging off Matt Cutts every word.
He is giving them what they want, just like your average housewife wants a cheap carpet clean and being no wiser is relatively happy with it.
Local SEO for carpet cleaners is no biggy in most areas, and there isn't much money in it either, do you think the best SEO people are going to be working for Mr sole trader carpet cleaner when they could be working for a Cosmetic Dental Practice or Compensation Lawyer or a 4x4 Franchise?
In the land of the blind a few spammy backlinks here and there will go a long way.
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yes good luck to mark and all that i'm glad he's making money selling sites people are happy with blah blah blah, however have you compleetly forgot the point of this thread? the op asked a clear question and listed what he was looking for. mark isn't it. people seem to be taking offence or something to this and are quick to defend someone who doesn't need defending.
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I think you are setting the benchmark way too high. For most carpet cleaners I'm sure what Mark does will suffice. As I have said, you don't need a sledgehammer to crack a nut.
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Hi Guys
I think people fall into 2 categories, those who love the theory and have all the jargon and those that have observed what has worked and have put that into practice, Mark is in the latter category.
It was exactly the same when I worked as a chemist, highly qualified ones who developed little and less qualified who developed a lot.
Cheers
Doug
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Im sure I went with gold but they did/do a great job never feels like a cheaper option always very quick to assist with any changes and tweaks think website was about 350
The calculator saves price shoppers to a degree not to sure if I miss phone calls due to people knowing the prices but don't want price shoppers annoying me while working anyway :) it makes the survey easy as most times looking for stains and not worrying about if this is out of their price range. Although you still get the my lounge is smaller than average so how much phone calls
In my experience the size of lounges can vary considerably
Also do you not find new competitors then say I will do a lounge for £25 if you publish your list. £40 minimum charge seems low looking at area and traffic jams to get to jobs
I do like the design of your site
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Im sure I went with gold but they did/do a great job never feels like a cheaper option always very quick to assist with any changes and tweaks think website was about 350
The calculator saves price shoppers to a degree not to sure if I miss phone calls due to people knowing the prices but don't want price shoppers annoying me while working anyway :) it makes the survey easy as most times looking for stains and not worrying about if this is out of their price range. Although you still get the my lounge is smaller than average so how much phone calls
In my experience the size of lounges can vary considerably
Also do you not find new competitors then say I will do a lounge for £25 if you publish your list. £40 minimum charge seems low looking at area and traffic jams to get to jobs
I do like the design of your site
Luton/Dunstable has something like 150,000 houses with in 8 or 9 miles travelling time very rarely comes in to it, everyone has to travel to work (some people spend 2 hours a day on the M25 for free every day)
so I just thank my lucky stars that Im my own boss and can do as I want when I want, when ever it gets me down :)
Not much adds up to £40 so its always more if I have a bad journey lol
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I think you are setting the benchmark way too high. For most carpet cleaners I'm sure what Mark does will suffice. As I have said, you don't need a sledgehammer to crack a nut.
Are you still there Angelo?
What you need is more or less dependent on what terms/areas you want to rank for. It would vary tremendously between say your existing area Market Harborough and say, Edinburgh (which would need a lot of promotional work).
Mark's sites work well because they are targeted at smaller markets with lower competition (e.g. Colin's Falmouth site) and have reasonable on-site SEO. He has never tried to say they are the epitome of on-page SEO.
As Tony said, you won't rank for "Prada Handbags" like this.
If your new area is not London or Edinburgh, then one of these sites should be fine. At £ 200 odd it's the cost of one small newspaper ad and is there for a lot longer
I'm going to disagree slightly with Gary and Adam and say that Mark's sites probably rank as a result of their on page factors rather than that dumb linking network. Why?
Search engines are looking for evidence of natural, varied linking over time. 150 + backlinks with identical anchor text, from the same class C IP addresses is NOT natural.
Even then you won't really get penalised as search engines accept that you have no control over incoming links. The search engines will just ignore (not count) them.
Where the problem comes is when you link out (to them). In the search engines' eyes, you have now willingly joined the network and as site owner are as guilty as the rest.
Imagine if a competitor complains to say, Google about your site, what will a manual reviewer think when they see all those reciprocal links? Try explaining that one away.
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Adam
I like your posts as you give out some good info but I do feel your first post in this thread was just about putting angelo off using mark. I have not seen 1 post on this or any other forum from a unhappy customer
of marks now if you had asked what angelos budget was then and it was over a grand then fair comment.
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maybe i'm missing your point but yeah that's right jim. the op asked for something, people suggested something else. i posted to say imo i don't think this is what the op wants for xyz reasons. it's up to angelo to decide what he wants to do now he's got different opinions. if he chooses mark i have no problem with this at all.
my posts were to give fair advice. if someone asked "who makes low costs websites and i'm not too worried about how long the website will get the results" then i'd say people on here use mark so maybe worth contacting him, but the op asked for something else. what i see is info suggesting that google is going in a different direction to what mark's site are, meaning the results his sites are getting is only going to get worse and worse. as garry has mentioned it only takes 1 second for someone at google to see every site he had made linking out just for serp benefit and not to the users benefit and then get penalised for it.
all it would take is 1 competitor to show google that that site isn't playing fair and i'm sure it'll get in trouble. users are happy now but for instance i'm sure colin's competitors are on here. if they reported his site to google are showed the out going links which are increasing each day, then his site could completely lose all it's ranking.
don't get me wrong though for £200 you can't really complain and any ranking, especially one as high as colin is getting is great, but angelo doesn't appear to want to pay cheap, and appears to want very good seo.
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Alright then what have you done with Kermit ???
Who is using Easter Bunny's tag, coz he is actually making sense..
So once more who are you Easter Bunny and what have you done with our Kermit???
;D ;D ;D
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:o don't worry hector i'm as shocked as you are. must been all those green chemicals helping set my brain back to what it should be. i'm sure the universe will even itself out though and lolgaryj can go back to calling me a twat and thick in no time and mark can continue to call me in the middle of the night threatening to take me to court ;)
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Which mark is that mate ??
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whichever rang ???
i must say for legal reasons I'm guessing this is mark based on the voicemail only, it could of course have been anyone pretending to be mark.
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Will the real Mark please stand up..... ;D