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UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: PureClean Window Cleaning Ltd on June 08, 2011, 08:55:33 pm
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ELITE 35FT CARBON POLE, £350. GARDINERS ARE OUT OF STOCK TIL JULY!
http://www.thewaterfedpolecompany.co.uk/Elite_35_Carbon_Fibre_Pole/p694971_3027970.aspx
i dont want to buy it to find out theyre a waste of money!
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Personally I would wait until july and order through Gardiners, time will fly by and you wont be dissapointed! ;D
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Yoy can hire my slx for 40 quid a week if you like ;D
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going by the feedback from guys on here and on other forums, they are very good poles, not much difference between them and gardiners, Nat Jones did a good comparison review on his acs forum, well worth a read
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What if Gardeners and elite are the same company. . . . . . !!!! :o :o :o
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cheers guys
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What if Gardeners and elite are the same company. . . . . . !!!! :o :o :o
Wouldn't that be clever marketing, creating competition to make people choose between the two and actually making money from both ;D ;D
I am happy to say that Gardiners and Elite are not the same company and the poles not the same poles and are not even made in the same factory - which would be difficult as the Gardiner range is made from bespoke components manufactured in 3 different countries. :)
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What if Gardeners and elite are the same company. . . . . . !!!! :o :o :o
Wouldn't that be clever marketing, creating competition to make people choose between the two and actually making money from both ;D ;D
I am happy to say that Gardiners and Elite are not the same company and the poles not the same poles and are not even made in the same factory - which would be difficult as the Gardiner range is made from bespoke components manufactured in 3 different countries. :)
As the only pole I've seen with lateral clamps is yours, is the Elite pole simply not a copy of your design?
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What if Gardeners and elite are the same company. . . . . . !!!! :o :o :o
Wouldn't that be clever marketing, creating competition to make people choose between the two and actually making money from both ;D ;D
I am happy to say that Gardiners and Elite are not the same company and the poles not the same poles and are not even made in the same factory - which would be difficult as the Gardiner range is made from bespoke components manufactured in 3 different countries. :)
As the only pole I've seen with lateral clamps is yours, is the Elite pole simply not a copy of your design?
We introduced lateral clamps to the WFP world back in 2007 with the first SLX, these used alloy lateral clamps. Then in March 2009 we released our unique and 'in-house' designed innovative thermoplastic lateral clamps with an 8 pole line-up to go with the new clamps. These were at the time unique and original and were granted, in April 2009, Registered Design Status by the 'European Office for Harmonization in the Internal Market - Trade Marks & Designs'. About a year later Ionic's brought out their 'innovative' transverse clamp which is a similar mechanical arrangement and some clients have even commented they look the same - according to their 2010 brochure these transverse clamps represented a 'step forward in pole design'.
Then about 12 months ago a Chinese manufacturing firm started advertising a lateral clamp pole on the trade market. In this country one retailer is selling these as the 'Elite' pole. I would not say that their clamps are a copy as they are a lot more bulky and operate slightly differently - time will tell as to their longevity and operation. However looking at the range of sizes this firm is offering it is easy to see where they get their size inspiration from :) These poles are also being promoted in Hong Kong by an Australian chap called Perry Tait (or Michael Maait, depending on which name he is using currently).
Having compared other offerings though, I am still very happy with our 'own design' pole range and the way they perform. Good ideas will generally be replicated by others and happens throughout the business world. The key is being true to your own design ethos and then making those designs the best you can.
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http://antenna-cover.en.alibaba.com/
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http://antenna-cover.en.alibaba.com/
That is actually the company that makes the poles and reels that Brodex sell in this country.
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There was a really good picture posted the other day by Nat Jones. It compared the clamps on the slx and the elite. The elite clamps were over twice the size of the slx. I'm pretty sure that the effect of smaller clamps will be more usable pole for the closed size and less weight. I really haven't had many problems with slx clamp adjustments, although if there is a big change in temperature I notice that this sometimes means the clamps need fine-tuning, but that can be done in seconds.
Simon.
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There was a really good picture posted the other day by Nat Jones. It compared the clamps on the slx and the elite. The elite clamps were over twice the size of the slx. I'm pretty sure that the effect of smaller clamps will be more usable pole for the closed size and less weight. I really haven't had many problems with slx clamp adjustments, although if there is a big change in temperature I notice that this sometimes means the clamps need fine-tuning, but that can be done in seconds.
Simon.
You're right Simon. I had a facelift carbon & the clamps were about 3 to 4" in total length each. You only need four sections to add a foot to the closed length!
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ELITE 35FT CARBON POLE, £350. GARDINERS ARE OUT OF STOCK TIL JULY!
http://www.thewaterfedpolecompany.co.uk/Elite_35_Carbon_Fibre_Pole/p694971_3027970.aspx
i dont want to buy it to find out theyre a waste of money!
hello mate defo not a waste of money had my 35ft Elite for 4 wks now and loving it a really light a rigid pole easy to take sections off in seconds without much adjustment to clamps
In order to use as a smaller pole if desired changed my working day totally go to nats forum at www.acsforums.com and look at SLX vs ELITE FOR COMPARISON,
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http://antenna-cover.en.alibaba.com/
That is actually the company that makes the poles and reels that Brodex sell in this country.
At $10 per metre carbon seems to be getting cheaper!
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I think that's were people get the idea that poles should be allot cheaper thinking its the carbon that's the real cost, when I'm sure the real cost to make them is in the tooling etc for the clamps...
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Having had a demo of the Elite poles, and as a fan of Gardiners, I can give you an idea of the poles from a Gardiners fan boy bias...
The pole is strong, robust and as light as you would expect from a CF pole.
The size of the clamps restricts the closed length of the pole yes, but the pole is a bit cheaper than an SLX.
In summary, it's a reasonably priced CF pole, that will do a good job for you.
They are not a direct equivalent to Alex's poles, so its unfair to comapre them as such.
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Ok let's see who can find out where Alex gets him poles made!!!!
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Ok let's see who can find out where Alex gets him poles made!!!!
That would be fun ;D
You would have to identify 6 different factories in 3 different countries - none of which advertise their services for these exact products.
I would be impressed if you could :)
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If someone does Alex, can't they have the new xtreme pole as a prize ;D
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If someone does Alex, can't they have the new xtreme pole as a prize ;D
If someone could identify all 6 factories by name and address, I would give them a job as 'Director of Product Sourcing' :D
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The ionics clamps look like Copies of the gardiners
Elite clamps are better need less adjustment and if they copied the size
From gardeners does that mean gardeners copied facelift.
And how about some bespoke glue Alex????
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Elite clamps are over twice the size of the gardiners, that means that they are at least twice as big as they need to be. Also if halfway thru some work and the clamp need adjusting you don't need a tool to adjust the slx.
It will be interesting to see how the elite evolves though. It's nice that there are a lot more carbon poles at good price points.
Simon.
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The ionics clamps look like Copies of the Gardiners
Elite clamps are better need less adjustment and if they copied the size
From Gardiners does that mean Gardiners copied facelift.
And how about some bespoke glue Alex????
Must be late, I'm not sure what you mean by the above :)
I'm signing off now - sleep well.
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The ionics clamps look like Copies of the gardiners
Elite clamps are better need less adjustment and if they copied the size
From gardeners does that mean gardeners copied facelift.
And how about some bespoke glue Alex????
There's already been a post by an "elite" ;D user who stated that the clamps do indeed need adjustment. :-*
Dude, if you choose to use inferior equipment that's fine, but hey, give yourself a break! :D
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I actually need a 45ft pole now, and the elites are £540!
gutted i only quoted £450 for the job now!
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I actually need a 45ft pole now, and the elites are £540!
gutted i only quoted £450 for the job now!
There's a guy selling a 40ft Smax over on- m a t t s c l e a n i n g f o r u m s- if that would be any good?
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They look good.
Roy
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What if Gardeners and elite are the same company. . . . . . !!!! :o :o :o
Wouldn't that be clever marketing, creating competition to make people choose between the two and actually making money from both ;D ;D
I am happy to say that Gardiners and Elite are not the same company and the poles not the same poles and are not even made in the same factory - which would be difficult as the Gardiner range is made from bespoke components manufactured in 3 different countries. :)
As the only pole I've seen with lateral clamps is yours, is the Elite pole simply not a copy of your design?
We introduced lateral clamps to the WFP world back in 2007 with the first SLX, these used alloy lateral clamps. Then in March 2009 we released our unique and 'in-house' designed innovative thermoplastic lateral clamps with an 8 pole line-up to go with the new clamps. These were at the time unique and original and were granted, in April 2009, Registered Design Status by the 'European Office for Harmonization in the Internal Market - Trade Marks & Designs'. About a year later Ionic's brought out their 'innovative' transverse clamp which is a similar mechanical arrangement and some clients have even commented they look the same - according to their 2010 brochure these transverse clamps represented a 'step forward in pole design'.
Then about 12 months ago a Chinese manufacturing firm started advertising a lateral clamp pole on the trade market. In this country one retailer is selling these as the 'Elite' pole. I would not say that their clamps are a copy as they are a lot more bulky and operate slightly differently - time will tell as to their longevity and operation. However looking at the range of sizes this firm is offering it is easy to see where they get their size inspiration from :) These poles are also being promoted in Hong Kong by an Australian chap called Perry Tait (or Michael Maait, depending on which name he is using currently).
Having compared other offerings though, I am still very happy with our 'own design' pole range and the way they perform. Good ideas will generally be replicated by others and happens throughout the business world. The key is being true to your own design ethos and then making those designs the best you can.
quote blue frog systems from the sill brush thread
"Finally i would like to point out gardiners don't slate the competition"
Thats hilarious gardiners are the worse for it, there always on the froum posting
i dont see other suppliers postimng that often if at all
in this post he knocks ionic and the water fed pole company (elite poles) directly and through suggestion and at the same time he's continually praising himself
this forum has been hijacked, with good reason sell a pole for £400 to 25 forum members and thats £10,000 reasons to knock the competition
forums should be independant, the recent wfp test with the gardiner pole and the elite pole was recommended to be re-tested. by gardiners of all people and the test was done again, unbelievable no impartiality at all
why has no one mentioned the new pole from gardiners has lost its ability to be a true telescopic pole, what makes a telescopic pole so useful is the ability to be able to set the correct height of the pole to the inch.
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Alex, Alex gardiner is stating facts in his post, he was the first manufacturer to use the lateral clamp, and then everyone else is using them, hes not slating ionics of wfp co, he does post on here, but in reply to his products, when it comes to people wanting more information on products, price, release dates, he emails them directly.
its good that a supplier is actually on these forum to answer questions, i dont see anyone from teckbuk (apart from you and you 100% biased opinion) giving information on there products. the chap that sells the elite poles comes on here to give information, just like the people who make the digital flow controllers has started coming on here to answer peoples questions.
You are so anti gardiners its embarrassing.
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What if Gardeners and elite are the same company. . . . . . !!!! :o :o :o
Wouldn't that be clever marketing, creating competition to make people choose between the two and actually making money from both ;D ;D
I am happy to say that Gardiners and Elite are not the same company and the poles not the same poles and are not even made in the same factory - which would be difficult as the Gardiner range is made from bespoke components manufactured in 3 different countries. :)
As the only pole I've seen with lateral clamps is yours, is the Elite pole simply not a copy of your design?
We introduced lateral clamps to the WFP world back in 2007 with the first SLX, these used alloy lateral clamps. Then in March 2009 we released our unique and 'in-house' designed innovative thermoplastic lateral clamps with an 8 pole line-up to go with the new clamps. These were at the time unique and original and were granted, in April 2009, Registered Design Status by the 'European Office for Harmonization in the Internal Market - Trade Marks & Designs'. About a year later Ionic's brought out their 'innovative' transverse clamp which is a similar mechanical arrangement and some clients have even commented they look the same - according to their 2010 brochure these transverse clamps represented a 'step forward in pole design'.
Then about 12 months ago a Chinese manufacturing firm started advertising a lateral clamp pole on the trade market. In this country one retailer is selling these as the 'Elite' pole. I would not say that their clamps are a copy as they are a lot more bulky and operate slightly differently - time will tell as to their longevity and operation. However looking at the range of sizes this firm is offering it is easy to see where they get their size inspiration from :) These poles are also being promoted in Hong Kong by an Australian chap called Perry Tait (or Michael Maait, depending on which name he is using currently).
Having compared other offerings though, I am still very happy with our 'own design' pole range and the way they perform. Good ideas will generally be replicated by others and happens throughout the business world. The key is being true to your own design ethos and then making those designs the best you can.
quote blue frog systems from the sill brush thread
"Finally i would like to point out gardiners don't slate the competition"
Thats hilarious gardiners are the worse for it, there always on the froum posting
i dont see other suppliers postimng that often if at all
in this post he knocks ionic and the water fed pole company (elite poles) directly and through suggestion and at the same time he's continually praising himself
this forum has been hijacked, with good reason sell a pole for £400 to 25 forum members and thats £10,000 reasons to knock the competition
forums should be independant, the recent wfp test with the gardiner pole and the elite pole was recommended to be re-tested. by gardiners of all people and the test was done again, unbelievable no impartiality at all
why has no one mentioned the new pole from gardiners has lost its ability to be a true telescopic pole, what makes a telescopic pole so useful is the ability to be able to set the correct height of the pole to the inch.
You say that the slx xtreme ability to not function as a true telescopic has not been mentioned, if you hadn't noticed I posted a review and a video mentioning that point. Gardiners are even shipping an updated 4th section to their existing 25 ft xtreme customers that helps resolve this issue, something that will obviously cost them money.
Here are the links just in case you hasn't seen them.
http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=125202.0
http://youtu.be/uB39sYzR8Xk
Simon.
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Alex is a bitter player hater end of.
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I would think this Alex guy who seems very much like the Ewan idiot that trolled this forum before, has deliberately chosen the name 'Alex' simply to try and do as much damage to Gardiners as he can. What a plonker.
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Alex, Alex gardiner is stating facts in his post, he was the first manufacturer to use the lateral clamp, and then everyone else is using them, hes not slating ionics of wfp co, he does post on here, but in reply to his products, when it comes to people wanting more information on products, price, release dates, he emails them directly.
its good that a supplier is actually on these forum to answer questions, i dont see anyone from teckbuk (apart from you and you 100% biased opinion) giving information on there products. the chap that sells the elite poles comes on here to give information, just like the people who make the digital flow controllers has started coming on here to answer peoples questions.
You are so anti gardiners its embarrassing.
whats embarrasing is falling for everything he says
its not a lateral clamp, its called a cam lever which was designed many years ago and is used in hundreds of applications, just about every every kind of telescopic pole/tubes have been using them in every orientation before you were born
if you can't tell the difference between viral marketing, sales pitch, patent and a design patent you are vulnerable to believe anything, by the way the other part of the 'clamp' is called the collar, thats been around for years as well ::)
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I would think this Alex guy who seems very much like the Ewan idiot that trolled this forum before, has deliberately chosen the name 'Alex' simply to try and do as much damage to Gardiners as he can. What a plonker.
not sure what you are talking about trolling
how can i do damage to gardiners
i say what i want you keep buying his equipment, so what
the only plonkers are those that believe what a supplier says all the time
you must be one of them
if you can't see the elite for example is not that different from the slx
other than the fact it better made and cheaper
maybe you just feel a prat for falling for gardiners sales pitches on the forum all the time
try thinking for yourself, for a change
or go and buy another protecta ball ;D
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:) What you don't realise is Gardiners have virtually nill sales pitch. I don't see a Gardiners leaflet on my door mat. I don't get phonecalls and texts, I don't get emails asking me to purchase, I don't have to sign in to view their website. I buy their products based on previous experience. If there were better products out there at better prices I might try them. So far I have felt no need.
Customer service has always been brilliant - sometimes their products haven't been perfect but a quick call and anything is taken care of not at my expense I hasten to add. With service like that and great products why would I need to go anywhere else?
By the way my Protecta balls come from Tescos, some pole hose came from Polarbrite, valve holsters from Wintecs, Resin from Doug in Scotland, Tank from Pure Freedom, pumps from Pure Freedom, filters from either Gardiners or Pure Freedom, heater from Peter Fogwell, trad gear from Scrim City, Wagtails from Windowcleaning Wharehouse, scrapers, 'o' rings, gloves from ebay but all poles and brushes from Gardiners.
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its not a lateral clamp, its called a cam lever which was designed many years ago and is used in hundreds of applications, just about every every kind of telescopic pole/tubes have been using them in every orientation before you were born
Ok then, show me some applications that use this same type of clamp that has been around for over 30 years!
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its not a lateral clamp, its called a cam lever which was designed many years ago and is used in hundreds of applications, just about every every kind of telescopic pole/tubes have been using them in every orientation before you were born
Ok then, show me some applications that use this same type of clamp that has been around for over 30 years!
Hi Lee, cam levers have actually been used for many years on lots of different applications - Bike clamps, tripod leg clamps etc.
What was innovative, with the SLX lateral clamp that we introduced, was the pivoting barrel nut that also incorporates a lock nut mechanism. This allowed us to make a compact fingertip-adjustable lateral clamp that had not previously been available anywhere. The Elite poles (as one retailer calls them) do not use this, but stick with a more conventional sideways clamp device.
In my opinion innovation, not replication, will always be the way forward :)
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I would think this Alex guy who seems very much like the Ewan idiot that trolled this forum before, has deliberately chosen the name 'Alex' simply to try and do as much damage to Gardiners as he can. What a plonker.
not sure what you are talking about trolling
how can i do damage to gardiners
i say what i want you keep buying his equipment, so what
the only plonkers are those that believe what a supplier says all the time
you must be one of them
if you can't see the elite for example is not that different from the slx
other than the fact it better made and cheaper
maybe you just feel a prat for falling for gardiners sales pitches on the forum all the time
try thinking for yourself, for a change
or go and buy another protecta ball ;D
I have an "Alex Gardiner" poster on my bedroom wall, I also have a spare one, which I'll send you if you like- email me biasedandgullable@plonker.com :-*
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why has no one mentioned the new pole from gardiners has lost its ability to be a true telescopic pole, what makes a telescopic pole so useful is the ability to be able to set the correct height of the pole to the inch.
I thought this was common knowledge? Its worth noting that Jeff B's "Ninja" pole works on the same principle,.. yet you choose only to attack Gardiners?
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He's also forgotten the range of poles offered by Gardiners.
Want modular? buy the S2
Want a combination? buy the extreme
Want carbon telescopic for height? buy the Smax
Want carbon everyday pole? buy a SLX
Want a cheaper everyday pole? buy a CLX
Then look at the range of brushes available.
I think Gardiners cater pretty much for every professional. What more could you ask? Just can't see any reason to knock them constantly.
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What if Gardeners and elite are the same company. . . . . . !!!! :o :o :o
Wouldn't that be clever marketing, creating competition to make people choose between the two and actually making money from both ;D ;D
I am happy to say that Gardiners and Elite are not the same company and the poles not the same poles and are not even made in the same factory - which would be difficult as the Gardiner range is made from bespoke components manufactured in 3 different countries. :)
As the only pole I've seen with lateral clamps is yours, is the Elite pole simply not a copy of your design?
We introduced lateral clamps to the WFP world back in 2007 with the first SLX, these used alloy lateral clamps. Then in March 2009 we released our unique and 'in-house' designed innovative thermoplastic lateral clamps with an 8 pole line-up to go with the new clamps. These were at the time unique and original and were granted, in April 2009, Registered Design Status by the 'European Office for Harmonization in the Internal Market - Trade Marks & Designs'. About a year later Ionic's brought out their 'innovative' transverse clamp which is a similar mechanical arrangement and some clients have even commented they look the same - according to their 2010 brochure these transverse clamps represented a 'step forward in pole design'.
Then about 12 months ago a Chinese manufacturing firm started advertising a lateral clamp pole on the trade market. In this country one retailer is selling these as the 'Elite' pole. I would not say that their clamps are a copy as they are a lot more bulky and operate slightly differently - time will tell as to their longevity and operation. However looking at the range of sizes this firm is offering it is easy to see where they get their size inspiration from :) These poles are also being promoted in Hong Kong by an Australian chap called Perry Tait (or Michael Maait, depending on which name he is using currently).
Having compared other offerings though, I am still very happy with our 'own design' pole range and the way they perform. Good ideas will generally be replicated by others and happens throughout the business world. The key is being true to your own design ethos and then making those designs the best you can.
quote blue frog systems from the sill brush thread
"Finally i would like to point out gardiners don't slate the competition"
Thats hilarious gardiners are the worse for it, there always on the froum posting
i dont see other suppliers postimng that often if at all
in this post he knocks ionic and the water fed pole company (elite poles) directly and through suggestion and at the same time he's continually praising himself
this forum has been hijacked, with good reason sell a pole for £400 to 25 forum members and thats £10,000 reasons to knock the competition
forums should be independant, the recent wfp test with the gardiner pole and the elite pole was recommended to be re-tested. by gardiners of all people and the test was done again, unbelievable no impartiality at all
why has no one mentioned the new pole from gardiners has lost its ability to be a true telescopic pole, what makes a telescopic pole so useful is the ability to be able to set the correct height of the pole to the inch.
You say that the slx xtreme ability to not function as a true telescopic has not been mentioned, if you hadn't noticed I posted a review and a video mentioning that point. Gardiners are even shipping an updated 4th section to their existing 25 ft xtreme customers that helps resolve this issue, something that will obviously cost them money.
Here are the links just in case you hasn't seen them.
http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=125202.0
http://youtu.be/uB39sYzR8Xk
Simon.
Hi Simon
I looked at your video this morning and appreciate the step by step explanation of the workings of Alex's Extreme pole which I found very informative. Thank you for taking the time to do it.
Spruce
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its not a lateral clamp, its called a cam lever which was designed many years ago and is used in hundreds of applications, just about every every kind of telescopic pole/tubes have been using them in every orientation before you were born
Ok then, show me some applications that use this same type of clamp that has been around for over 30 years!
you just argue foe the sake of it
Alex Gardiner has posted the answer for you
Alex has got to be a little embarresd
by some of the post about him or his equipment by his own customers
most of my posting comments about gardiners
are from the daft comments left by others, and not gardiners
you bring it on him, not me or even gardiners
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:) What you don't realise is Gardiners have virtually nill sales pitch. I don't see a Gardiners leaflet on my door mat. I don't get phonecalls and texts, I don't get emails asking me to purchase, I don't have to sign in to view their website. I buy their products based on previous experience. If there were better products out there at better prices I might try them. So far I have felt no need.
Customer service has always been brilliant - sometimes their products haven't been perfect but a quick call and anything is taken care of not at my expense I hasten to add. With service like that and great products why would I need to go anywhere else?
By the way my Protecta balls come from Tescos, some pole hose came from Polarbrite, valve holsters from Wintecs, Resin from Doug in Scotland, Tank from Pure Freedom, pumps from Pure Freedom, filters from either Gardiners or Pure Freedom, heater from Peter Fogwell, trad gear from Scrim City, Wagtails from Windowcleaning Wharehouse, scrapers, 'o' rings, gloves from ebay but all poles and brushes from Gardiners.
here is a prime example of my un-biased post to this post -
You are being naive
Gardiners has been a member since 16th november 2005 and has made nearly 5,000 popst and is the 4th person to spend the most time on line in the forum with over 136 days, more time than the forum adminstrator
that is relentless advertising/marketing from a supplier, more than the other methods you mention.
So for you to post "Virtually nil sales pitch" most people of sound mind would find that astonishing when taking into account gardiner forum statistics, to suspend your own judgment or worse have it impaired shouild be a concern
learn not to react to differences of opinion about equipment, its just equipment for you to operate your business. Its not about defending or help line the pockets of any supplier.
thats a resonable post, make your own mind up
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:) What you don't realise is Gardiners have virtually nill sales pitch. I don't see a Gardiners leaflet on my door mat. I don't get phonecalls and texts, I don't get emails asking me to purchase, I don't have to sign in to view their website. I buy their products based on previous experience. If there were better products out there at better prices I might try them. So far I have felt no need.
Customer service has always been brilliant - sometimes their products haven't been perfect but a quick call and anything is taken care of not at my expense I hasten to add. With service like that and great products why would I need to go anywhere else?
By the way my Protecta balls come from Tescos, some pole hose came from Polarbrite, valve holsters from Wintecs, Resin from Doug in Scotland, Tank from Pure Freedom, pumps from Pure Freedom, filters from either Gardiners or Pure Freedom, heater from Peter Fogwell, trad gear from Scrim City, Wagtails from Windowcleaning Wharehouse, scrapers, 'o' rings, gloves from ebay but all poles and brushes from Gardiners.
here is a prime example of my un-biased post to this post -
You are being naive
Gardiners has been a member since 16th november 2005 and has made nearly 5,000 popst and is the 4th person to spend the most time on line in the forum with over 136 days, more time than the forum adminstrator
that is relentless advertising/marketing from a supplier, more than the other methods you mention.
So for you to post "Virtually nil sales pitch" most people of sound mind would find that astonishing when taking into account gardiner forum statistics, to suspend your own judgment or worse have it impaired shouild be a concern
learn not to react to differences of opinion about equipment, its just equipment for you to operate your business. Its not about defending or help line the pockets of any supplier.
thats a resonable post, make your own mind up
Alex G did go for a massive amount of time not posting anything, I'm really glad to see him posting again. He's one of the few on the forum that can give really good advice all the time. He is also open about who he is unlike some that post for other manufactures but under a different name, pretending to be a customer.
Simon.
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:) What you don't realise is Gardiners have virtually nill sales pitch. I don't see a Gardiners leaflet on my door mat. I don't get phonecalls and texts, I don't get emails asking me to purchase, I don't have to sign in to view their website. I buy their products based on previous experience. If there were better products out there at better prices I might try them. So far I have felt no need.
Customer service has always been brilliant - sometimes their products haven't been perfect but a quick call and anything is taken care of not at my expense I hasten to add. With service like that and great products why would I need to go anywhere else?
By the way my Protecta balls come from Tescos, some pole hose came from Polarbrite, valve holsters from Wintecs, Resin from Doug in Scotland, Tank from Pure Freedom, pumps from Pure Freedom, filters from either Gardiners or Pure Freedom, heater from Peter Fogwell, trad gear from Scrim City, Wagtails from Windowcleaning Wharehouse, scrapers, 'o' rings, gloves from ebay but all poles and brushes from Gardiners.
here is a prime example of my un-biased post to this post -
You are being naive
Gardiners has been a member since 16th november 2005 and has made nearly 5,000 popst and is the 4th person to spend the most time on line in the forum with over 136 days, more time than the forum adminstrator
that is relentless advertising/marketing from a supplier, more than the other methods you mention.
So for you to post "Virtually nil sales pitch" most people of sound mind would find that astonishing when taking into account gardiner forum statistics, to suspend your own judgment or worse have it impaired shouild be a concern
learn not to react to differences of opinion about equipment, its just equipment for you to operate your business. Its not about defending or help line the pockets of any supplier.
thats a resonable post, make your own mind up
Alex G did go for a massive amount of time not posting anything, I'm really glad to see him posting again. He's one of the few on the forum that can give really good advice all the time. He is also open about who he is unlike some that post for other manufactures but under a different name, pretending to be a customer.
Simon.
You couldn't possibly be suggesting that both Alex & thermoclean are plants?!!! :o :o ;D ;D
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:) What you don't realise is Gardiners have virtually nill sales pitch. I don't see a Gardiners leaflet on my door mat. I don't get phonecalls and texts, I don't get emails asking me to purchase, I don't have to sign in to view their website. I buy their products based on previous experience. If there were better products out there at better prices I might try them. So far I have felt no need.
Customer service has always been brilliant - sometimes their products haven't been perfect but a quick call and anything is taken care of not at my expense I hasten to add. With service like that and great products why would I need to go anywhere else?
By the way my Protecta balls come from Tescos, some pole hose came from Polarbrite, valve holsters from Wintecs, Resin from Doug in Scotland, Tank from Pure Freedom, pumps from Pure Freedom, filters from either Gardiners or Pure Freedom, heater from Peter Fogwell, trad gear from Scrim City, Wagtails from Windowcleaning Wharehouse, scrapers, 'o' rings, gloves from ebay but all poles and brushes from Gardiners.
here is a prime example of my un-biased post to this post -
You are being naive
Gardiners has been a member since 16th november 2005 and has made nearly 5,000 popst and is the 4th person to spend the most time on line in the forum with over 136 days, more time than the forum adminstrator
that is relentless advertising/marketing from a supplier, more than the other methods you mention.
So for you to post "Virtually nil sales pitch" most people of sound mind would find that astonishing when taking into account gardiner forum statistics, to suspend your own judgment or worse have it impaired shouild be a concern
learn not to react to differences of opinion about equipment, its just equipment for you to operate your business. Its not about defending or help line the pockets of any supplier.
thats a resonable post, make your own mind up
If you have a problem with his posts, and think he is advertising for free, then report him to a moderator ;) :-*
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I think Alex/Ewan may be a Gardiners plant!
The more rubbish he posts the better Gardiners turn out! Brilliant strategy - reverse physiology ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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I think Alex/Ewan may be a Gardiners plant!
The more rubbish he posts the better Gardiners turn out! Brilliant strategy - reverse physiology ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
;D ;D ;D ;D
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Sherwood, great video that thanks very much.
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Sherwood, great video that thanks very much.
It may not have come across in the video, but I really do think these are good even though it may not operate as a standard tele, although the update on the 25 ft will help a great deal. We are going faster using these new poles than we did using the standard slx range and have more energy at the end of the day.
Simon.
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Simon, I've linked it on another forum - hope you don't mind.
I don't have an extreme but might well consider one in the future. I remember my early days of being totally shattered with glassfibre poles, Vikan sill brush etc. These days I come home 'cos I'm bored more than anything not because I'm knackered ;D
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Simon, I've linked it on another forum - hope you don't mind.
I don't have an extreme but might well consider one in the future. I remember my early days of being totally shattered with glassfibre poles, Vikan sill brush etc. These days I come home 'cos I'm bored more than anything not because I'm knackered ;D
Not a problem. Glad to see the back of the glassfiber and brick brush days.
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alex the plant
you call your self a window cleaner but actually most of your post are done @1pm,just look at your own profile rather than look at others,
you get in your little warm office log on and start posting at 9pm. ::) ::)
ps dont worry i want tell anyone. ;D
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I'm certainly not a plant. Last time I checked I don't need to agree with Everything
The gardener lovers on here say. I have givin good reviews to gardeners products
On here and other forums when I believed they were the best, recently said the sill brush looks like it will be great. Sorry for giving my honest opinion that working with them side by side I prefer the elite to slx.
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I really can't dee the point of all this slagging off on here.
I've bouight poles from various companies over the years and it's turned out that Gardiners have made the poles that are most suitable for me. It's mainly to do with their weight relative to height and to the section lengths which mean that I can keep them in the van rather thasn in a holder on top.
I also read on here that Alex. is from Tecbuk. That would be a pity if it's true because I've also bought bits from them and found their products and service just fine. There's no need for Tecbuk to slag off the opposition because Tecbuk are OK too. It only deneans the one doing the slagging off.
Might Alex. become known as the "Tecbuk Triffid"? :)
Come on man lighten up. You've got a good service and products there.
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I really can't dee the point of all this slagging off on here.
I've bouight poles from various companies over the years and it's turned out that Gardiners have made the poles that are most suitable for me. It's mainly to do with their weight relative to height and to the section lengths which mean that I can keep them in the van rather thasn in a holder on top.
I also read on here that Alex. is from Tecbuk. That would be a pity if it's true because I've also bought bits from them and found their products and service just fine. There's no need for Tecbuk to slag off the opposition because Tecbuk are OK too. It only deneans the one doing the slagging off.
Might Alex. become known as the "Tecbuk Triffid"? :)
Come on man lighten up. You've got a good service and products there.
I agree
However, when Alex pops up everytime, like he does, with false information, the I feel it only fair to both readers & the related products that he be corrected.
There are many but here are two of his "favourites"
Aerial brush- "the only brush made for WFP" ??? ???
SL brushes are "cheap to manufacture" ??? ???
Both couldn't be more wrong, you only have to read his back posts to realise the guy hasn't that much knowledge of the industry & the "agenda" sticks out like a sore thumb!! ;D
It's a shame for Tecbuk as he's doing them more damage IMO than anything. Tecbuk do have some nice products too but even some of their own claims are "debatable" to say the least! ::)
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Both couldn't be more wrong, you only have to read his back posts to realise the guy hasn't that much knowledge of the industry & the "agenda" sticks out like a sore thumb!!
Talking about lack of knowledge, aren't you the person who, when the discussion was about the fact that pure water didnt conduct electricity, replied in a rather patronising way:
"You have to be joking, right?"
Even though this is a known fact.
It seems to me that there are plenty on here who think that a good way to get people you don't like to shut up is to accuse them of being a 'plant'.
Its pathetic.
So he disagrees with you, so what. Get over it. Its a forum, and thats what forums are for. It doesnt make his opinion any less valuable than yours.
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Both couldn't be more wrong, you only have to read his back posts to realise the guy hasn't that much knowledge of the industry & the "agenda" sticks out like a sore thumb!!
Talking about lack of knowledge, aren't you the person who, when the discussion was about the fact that pure water didnt conduct electricity, replied in a rather patronising way:
"You have to be joking, right?"
Even though this is a known fact.
It seems to me that there are plenty on here who think that a good way to get people you don't like to shut up is to accuse them of being a 'plant'.
Its pathetic.
So he disagrees with you, so what. Get over it. Its a forum, and thats what forums are for. It doesnt make his opinion any less valuable than yours.
He can disagree with me all day long, if you were to take enough time to read before "butting" in then you would clearly see that this is not an issue about "disagreeing" ???. Him spouting falsehoods though, with the sole intention to discredit very good products, does who any good exactly?
As for pure water/electricity-
This issue was regarding a risk of electrocution via solar panels. You of course are right in that "pure" doesn't conduct. However, if you'd put a bit more thought in to this, instead of trying to look "intelligent" you should have realised that the "pure" water wouldn't be "pure" anymore once it hit the solar panels!
Oh, I know you might say it's still pure going up through the pole but what about the water that "might" be running back down the inside or outside of the pole? What if it was a pole with no "insulating" base handle?
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I think you're a plant.
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I think you're a plant.
I think you're a "planK" :)
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For the guys in Ireland,...
Arthur @ Sureclean systems will be having an open day next month sometime & rumour has it he will have both the Elite & Gardiner poles on show,.. so you can try for yourselves & see what you think. :)
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http://antenna-cover.en.alibaba.com/
That is actually the company that makes the poles and reels that Brodex sell in this country.
I believe this is actually the Brodex Distributor for Far east. They sell there poles in Bulk in middle east and far east....
http://www.clearwater.ae/products.php?ncategoryid=5
i found this one above based in dubai
and i have also found there products on USA websites
also some other guy from Africa lists the Brodex products
http://www.alibaba.com/trade/search?SearchText=champion+global+ghana&Country=&IndexArea=product_en&fsb=y