Clean It Up
UK Floor Cleaning Forum => Carpet Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: jim mca on June 05, 2011, 10:04:26 pm
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I am looking for a good pre-spray for wool that does not need aggitation
cheers Jim
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Pre spray gold or DFC 105, but it could still do with rake at least. Why can you not agitate?
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No such thing?
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don't tell jim but i agree with him,
you have to agitate to accumulate. ;D
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Don't worry I won't tell him, your secrets safe with me :-X
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As a pre spray is intended to break surface tension and in doing so release soiling from fibres you will find spraying and allowing a dwell time of 15 - 20 minutes will suffice for most carpet cleaning jobs.
Obviously raking or brushing will speed up and enhance penetration of of the fibres but the solution from your HWE machine being jetted at around 200 - 400 psi will supply all the agitation you require in most cases.
There are many products that are safe to use on wool but may not subscribe to the Woolsafe organisation
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The reason I was asking is I get a lot of work in flats and carrying my flexi-5
is a bit on the heavy side normally use woolx but was thinking a detergent
might only need dwell time to save me getting a sebo duo or oreck orbitor.
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dfc 105 for me too
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I thought that product begining with M and ending in Power is suppose to be self agitating, in part anyway, then all you need is a brush for light agitation.
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In my experience, Mpower needs plenty of agitation to work well, which is probably why some cleaners don't get on with it.
Having said that, I'm sure someone will come along and say all you have to do is spray it down, have a ciggy and hey presto.
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Paul it still needs brushing in though! Depending on carpet type, even a very heavy application just sprayed on and left won't penetrate and get to all the soiling properly.
Agitation is part of the cleaning process. Sometimes all you need is a quick whizz over by hand with a groomer, other times it's full on with rotary or CRB to break the soiling away from the fibres. Dependfs what the specific situation requires, there's no one size fits all answer.
Jim is it REALLY that much of a bind to carry a Duo up a few flights of stairs? If you think about it you're going to be walking up/down a few times with all your other stuff, it doesn't take much organising so you can carry one more piece of essential kit up with you.
At the very least I'd take a groomer up to the job - you can carry it in the same hand as your wand no problem, just grip them both together. I'd use a colloidal product (m-power or nemesis) as a pre-spray, which as Paul says don't necessarily require as much agitation as something like a microsplitter. I'd stop short of saying they are "self-agitating", sounds a bit silly to me, it gives the impression there's a magic arm reaches out of the product and scrubs itself with a brush!
All you need to do with them is break the surface tension by quickly brushing in by hand after spraying, and let the product do the rest. As Robert suggests, a heavy application will help to speed things up, and leaving it longer will help compensate for less mechanical agitation.
Of course you have the other option which is to forget HWE and just lug a rotary up instead of extraction machine.
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Agree wrong phrase "self agitating" although if I remember rightly it breaks down the soils and stops them reattaching to the fibres, then a light brushing may suffice.
Jim I think he was saying he only has the Flexi 5 which is too big to carry up and didn't want to buy a Sebo/Oreck so a good brush might be the way to go :D
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I do use groomers but dont find them very effective
Jim
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The good old brush for me and plenty of elbow grease, cant be bothered with the set up time of the duo or rotary machine unless totally necessary which is only a couple of times a year.
Mark
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It is only recently that people started using contra rotating brush machines for agitation. In the past it was usually just a quick rub in with a carpet broom, if it was a real minger or pub carpet then a whizz over with a brush on a rotary. I know loads of people who never ever agitate. Pre-spraying adequately, dwell time and good wand technique is sufficient to clean most carpets in my opinion.
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Agree with J K ...........why make life harder than you have to.
I've used all of the methods of aggitating over the years and found no substantial difference when just applying respray and giving 10 - 15 mins dwell.
Sure there have been occasions when the " yard brush " gets an airing.
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Having said that, I'm sure someone will come along and say all you have to do is spray it down, have a ciggy and hey presto.
Ah, so you remember that comment too ;D