Clean It Up
UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: Sean Dyer on May 30, 2011, 09:32:35 pm
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Thought that would get your attention
Not seen it for a while just though id remind everyone
;D ;D
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And wfp is ALOT better than trad
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water fed is far better than trad.
people that cant use trad gear are not proper window cleaners.
we havent had a wfp Vs trad row for a while now
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Well I just asked my ladders why they were banned :o and they said it was for posting swear words on CIU :o but they promised they would behave in future if they could come back on.
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water fed is far better than trad.
people that cant use trad gear are not proper window cleaners.
we havent had a wfp Vs trad row for a while now
EXACTLY
I like water fed pole with it ease of use and efficiency of cleaning, but then i also like trad for its sentimental charm with the customer and low running costs
but which is best
theres only one way to find out
FIIIIIIIIIIIIIGGGGGGHHHHHHHT
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bwahahaha book that for next windex. someone from ionics Vs terry turbo.
wfp is rubbish its like rubbing an old broom against windows. as for squegees they are rubbish too scrim is the only way to clean windows
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bwahahaha book that for next windex. someone from ionics Vs terry turbo.
wfp is rubbish its like rubbing an old broom against windows. as for squegees they are rubbish too scrim is the only way to clean windows
that might be worth seeing if the window is at height
Youd never beat terry on ground floor, however at height maybe!
But then he cant climb a ladder BECAUSE THERE BANNED
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my ladder is not just banned it has a super injunction
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Bet turbo terry would be very slow terry after about 5 houses.
bwahahaha book that for next windex. someone from ionics Vs terry turbo.
wfp is rubbish its like rubbing an old broom against windows. as for squegees they are rubbish too scrim is the only way to clean windows
that might be worth seeing if the window is at height
Youd never beat terry on ground floor, however at height maybe!
But then he cant climb a ladder BECAUSE THERE BANNED
:)
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ladders arnt banned
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Sqeegees are for puffs, chammy is the future
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You should've been a member of this site in 2004, just prior to the WAHR 2005 were published, and for a good while longer.
And Newsnight did two items on the 'ladder ban' that specifically affected window cleaners. They had to do a second one because of the furore from whining window cleaners; and The Fed got a load of stick because they had a guy on National TV saying that a WFP won't remove bird poo from windows (remembering that WFP was still fairly new, and guys had spent a lot of time convincing customers that it worked, only for the Fed to say it didn't).
It was an interesting time in the annuls of window cleaning. I've made notes for a history book I plan to publish; I expect it to be a best seller.
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SQUEEGEES ARE BAND THEY MESS UP YOUR HANDS.RUIN ALL YOUR TENDONS.
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You should've been a member of this site in 2004, just prior to the WAHR 2005 were published, and for a good while longer.
And Newsnight did two items on the 'ladder ban' that specifically affected window cleaners. They had to do a second one because of the furore from whining window cleaners; and The Fed got a load of stick because they had a guy on National TV saying that a WFP won't remove bird poo from windows (remembering that WFP was still fairly new, and guys had spent a lot of time convincing customers that it worked, only for the Fed to say it didn't).
It was an interesting time in the annuls of window cleaning. I've made notes for a history book I plan to publish; I expect it to be a best seller.
The window cleaner bloke was also up at ladder which was clearly at a dangerous angle.
Sigh.... those were the days when the wfp v trad and the 'if you go up a ladder you will die' arguments got seriously heated.
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;D ;D ;D Was cleaning a custy last week who had their parents over to visit from UK for a couple of weeks. The father comes out to chat while we were cleaning. Moan about this and that then the subject goes to window cleaning in UK. "Yeah, can't use ladders in UK now, they're banned".
Oh yeah? who told you that, says me. "My window cleaner told me". Ah says me, that's what they tell you so you can't complain about them using those rubbish pole and bog brush thingies. If ladders were banned etc etc etc.
So after about 15 minutes of chatting and tea drinking, off we go. Nice to get the odd shot in when you can. 8)
He was from Leeds by the way. ;D ;D ;D So if you boys up in Leeds get some ear ache from a custy who was just over in Germany visiting ..........................................
Oh yeah, nearly forgot. Was down town shopping last week when all of a sudden, hundreds of police turn up at this B&Q type of store and took all the ladders away. They're are banned. Hundreds of people die every year here because when they are in burning buildings and not on the ground floor, the firemen can't use ladders to rescue them.
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Yeh, and I've used ladders in full plain view of two policemen, and they didn't arrest me or nothing, so ladders aren't banned.
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Nowt to do with the police anyway as it isn't a 'criminal' offence...well, unless you are a breaking in through a window to burgle the joint of course!
Ian
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You aren't allowed to use them for that if there is a viable alternative. So you would be arrested for using a ladder.
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You aren't allowed to use them for that if there is a viable alternative. So you would be arrested for using a ladder.
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Should be, but won't be.
Health & safety only prosecute AFTER an accident. They like to kick you when you're down,.. ::)
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You aren't allowed to use them for that if there is a viable alternative. So you would be arrested for using a ladder.
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Ah but............ you must have a suitable alternative to using ladders with you which you must consider using. Then if you consider it unsuitable for the temporary working at height job to be carried out, then.... then you can use a ladder.
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What if my suitable alternative is to free-climb upto windows, and clean 'em. Surely then, after considering free-climbing, finding it not suitable, I could then use ladders?
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You aren't allowed to use them for that if there is a viable alternative. So you would be arrested for using a ladder.
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Should be, but won't be.
Health & safety only prosecute AFTER an accident. They like to kick you when you're down,.. ::)
Not allways true, the first person to be prosecuted under WAHR was Michael Mills, and no accident occured, and cost him thousands, just for using an unsecured ladder to geting onto a flat roof
idealrob
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http://www.hse.gov.uk/press/2005/e05124.htm
bit more than just using a ladder to get on to a flat roof
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yawn zzzzzzzzz ;D
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lol chicken the roof wasn't even flat. ;D
anyway I received funding a while back to put an employee on a safe ladder use course, approved by the council H&S guy.
Local company with thirty odd employees get inspected by H&S twice a year and all their lads use ladders and they do have a wfp van as well, they pass every time.
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ladders arnt banned as long as used safely they are fine, i am wfp by the way
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What if my suitable alternative is to free-climb upto windows, and clean 'em. Surely then, after considering free-climbing, finding it not suitable, I could then use ladders?
Er..... maybe free climbing isn't a recommended method to clean windows at height. What I meant was that in with your window cleaning equipment, you must have an extendable pole, on which you can put a mop/squeeegieeee, that is capable of reaching the windows you intend to clean using a ladder. Before you use the ladder, you must consider the alternative option you have. If you then decide the best option for the job is using a ladder, the that is in compliance with the WAHL.
If you don't have an extendable pole, or any alternative method of cleaning the windows, then you cannot have considered an alternative first so you are in breach of the WAHL.
Also, the ladder (or you) must have at least one method to stabilise and/or make the ladder 'safer'. So anyone who uses a ladder without rubber bits on the bottom is also breaking the law unless they have someone footing the ladder.
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The point i was making is that H & S dont just prosecute for accidents, the prosecute for breaches of health & safety law. Yes there are laws, that are enforsable, shame they dont do more considering the amount of officers they have, probably dealing with paperwork, than out on street
idealrob
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Only do ground floor windows as H&S regs forbid me to use a ladder or pole could fall and land on someone ::)
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Only do ground floor windows as H&S regs forbid me to use a ladder or pole could fall and land on someone ::)
They dont forbid, just say it must be secured, risk assesment etc, but how many ladders do you see secured, and some guidlines for safe use for wfp. And dont forget, some wfp w/c still have to get round the back, over gates etc
idealrob
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This is something we need to clear up
There is a difference between trad and ladders
trad is the way you clean the windows and ladders are what is used to do that.
now I have been a window cleaner for over 14 years and the last 6 been WFP
Now my first choice for cleaning windows is WFP but there are times when you need trad and there is times that you need a ladder so the answer is simple ;D
Use WFP most of the time and when it calls for the ladders use them NO one tool is better but they compliment one another
Adders
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Use WFP most of the time and when it calls for the ladders use them NO one tool is better but they compliment one another
Adders
Water fed pole is far better than ladders! ;D
By miles.
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Use WFP most of the time and when it calls for the ladders use them NO one tool is better but they compliment one another
Adders
Water fed pole is far better than ladders! ;D
By miles.
never rubbish thing to say :o ::)
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wfp will be banned this summer once the drought kicks in. ;D :P :-*
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me and my lads were semi- joking yesterday- why not get a tall van ,that you could have a slide out horizontal ladder on the roof and then walk out on it to do the upper windows
we were driving behind a tall van at the time when this mad-idea came to be discussed
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Being a die hard traddie, and also a classic vehicle fan, how about combining the two and buying a classic fire engine, complete with turntable ladder.
Could save a lot of time doing upstairs windows on one house, then swivelling the ladders to do the uppers across the road. 8)
John
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Always full of good ideas this man ;D ;D ;D
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Being a die hard traddie, and also a classic vehicle fan, how about combining the two and buying a classic fire engine, complete with turntable ladder.
Could save a lot of time doing upstairs windows on one house, then swivelling the ladders to do the uppers across the road. 8)
John
if you had a town centre round,that idea of yours might work well on the high street. i love the swivelling ladder idea ! with a newbie on the tip while i work the hydraulics behind the cab.
today us lads yet again discussed the ladder on the roof of the tall van ,but ladders being banned and all that,so latest idea is a staircase from a house instead,with carpet on it , with a 20 foot landing at the top of it,ornamental balustrade , jutting out of the van roof
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Being a die hard traddie, and also a classic vehicle fan, how about combining the two and buying a classic fire engine, complete with turntable ladder.
Could save a lot of time doing upstairs windows on one house, then swivelling the ladders to do the uppers across the road. 8)
John
if you had a town centre round,that idea of yours might work well on the high street. i love the swivelling ladder idea ! with a newbie on the tip while i work the hydraulics behind the cab.
today us lads yet again discussed the ladder on the roof of the tall van ,but ladders being banned and all that,so latest idea is a staircase from a house instead,with carpet on it , with a 20 foot landing at the top of it,ornamental balustrade , jutting out of the van roof
Very good Bobby P. I love it! ;D ;D ;D
John.
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Being a die hard traddie, and also a classic vehicle fan, how about combining the two and buying a classic fire engine, complete with turntable ladder.
Could save a lot of time doing upstairs windows on one house, then swivelling the ladders to do the uppers across the road. 8)
John
You are beginning to worry us now Johnny......You do realize a fire engine has a big water tank and a very long hosereel. Almost the perfect wfp vehicle :o :o :o
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Ooer! No I didn't think of that Ronnie!
Maybe I spoke too soon! I'm now reconsidering going 'WFP with a difference!' ;D
Anyone know where I can get a cheap 1960's F38?
John.