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UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: Martin OFarrell on May 19, 2011, 11:05:35 am
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Hi all, looking for some advice regarding WFP systems. Although I'm only 47 and in great physical shape (non-smoker,normal weight and blood pressure etc) I've recently had a small stroke and am recovering well but don't want to risk spending all my days up a ladder again when I resume work. I am a one man band with 300+ customers on a mainly domestic round which I've always done trad. I am quite interested in the trolley systems because I don't really want to permanently mount a tank etc in my classic VW bay window van. Are they as good ? do I have to wheel them all the way round a customers house or can they have sufficient hose to reach ? do you buy the poles seperately to suit your requirements or budget ? Any recommendations or advice will be very gratefully recieved, the choice is a little baffling to say the least ! Here's hoping my customers will wait and support me... Thanks, Mof.
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Hi there. I have a Pure Freedom trolley. My next step is a reel with 50 metres for one job stops. For more compact stuff I will use the trolley still with 20-30 metres extension.
Good luck on your recovery.
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You need a big tank with a van with a hose reel and a good pole 650 ltr tank is what I use and give the windows a good old rinse iv had Trolleys and I find filling them up all the time is a pain
Regards Carl
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I'm assuming that the trolleys don't have much hose then ? Do you have to take them close to the windows you are cleaning ? I'm planning on only using on upper windows and using trad on lower. How often would you have to refill if you had a 50ltr system. I'm hoping to cut my workload down as well so not as many houses per day as well, health is more important than money !
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if you have enough containers in your van to start with you wont need to keep filling them up, and you dont need a van mount or 650ltrs of water for a days work either.
Anyway i have a 25 ltr purefreedom trolley really good quality built to last , i carry 10 containers ,250ltrs of water which does me a good days work on domestic , I have a attached a 10 mtr retractable air hose reel to my trolley which can be bought of amazon for £35.00 but you need a one with a bracket like this next symbol [ not great i know this will allow you to attach to trolley with large cable ties and its pivioted ,
You will need ez-snap fiitings from gardiners male and female ends ,
I also have my pole fitted with 10 mtrs of pole hose , clx 25ft from gardiners should do as good light pole and will allow to reach above connys etc , i would but your ro unit from purfreedom and containers if you decide to buy trolley from them ,, Had my trolley over 3yrs now and still going strong really solid build ,
i manage really well with trolley and personally can never see myself wanting a van mount and you dont want to be spoiling your classic van mate
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a 50ltr trolley would be bulky to lift in and out of van a 25ltr trolley weighs about 20kg not a bad weight easy in and out 50ltr may weigh 35-40kg only a guess mind , trolley's come without additional hose, i would'nt bother trading bottoms wfp them all
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plus if you get a di and stick it in your van you can quickly fill your emptie containers up fast.
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Thanks to all who have posted, spoke to pure freedom today and the trolley may be what I need, not planning on doing as much work as before so may get away with less water changes than most. Problem now is that I've never used a pole and haven't a clue about methods. I'm sure I can work it out with a bit of practice ! Thanks again to everyone.
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Pro window how long you been cleaning iv been cleaning 15 years 8 waterfed 250 ltr tanks would clean not that manny houses I use around 500 ltr a day 15 house and after 1 year of using trolley started to slow me down and started to do me head in works for me doing it this way ;D
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it seems loads use trollys ,i did try it for six months so heavy went for van +tank never looked back ;) good luck
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Go van mount with a 100 meters of microbore; don't bother with a trolley.
Pull up, open van door, grab pole and hose and off you go cleaning. It's easy. Now compare that with lugging a heavy trolley out of a van and filling it up with 25 litre containers. And all that fannying about filling 25 litre containers when it's far easier just filling one big tank in your van.
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tosh has gone all smug now he s got a van mount!!i use a 50L TROLLEY and im very happy with it.yes more strength and power needed to lift barrels,moving trolley etc but less hose across footpaths and roads,no van heaters needed in winter as pump,battery etc is brought in every night,it doubles up as a mini van mount for stand alone jobs,cheaper van insurance as no vehicle modifications and can carry other things when not window cleaning
barrels easy to change over and im not changing them as often with a 50L TROLLEY.
Each system has its pros and cons.
if you ve got a lot of compact work with parking issues then the trolley would be ideal with 30m of extension hose IMO.
REGARDS
DAZMOND
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Do your self a favour and get a van mount, trolleys are for walleys!! ie Dazmond.. enough said :-X Sorry Dazmond!! ;)
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a 50ltr trolley would be bulky to lift in and out of van a 25ltr trolley weighs about 20kg not a bad weight easy in and out 50ltr may weigh 35-40kg only a guess mind , trolley's come without additional hose, i would'nt bother trading bottoms wfp them all
your maths is a bit wrong mate I litre of water weighs 1kg so a 25 litre trolley weighs a wee bit more than 20kg when full and the same for a 50litre I know I used to have one ;)
I am not saying don't get a trolley but they are heavy but if you have lots of compact work it could be the best way
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ME A WALLY GROUNDHOG?says the guy who prefers to use a b and q pole than a slx(or cant afford one!)yet he says he charges £25 for a 3 bed semi!! ;D ;D ;D
ive seen your video.was you being serious?you never rinsed the windows properly and whats the point in swapping poles for ground floor windows.running round and prancing like a tit!nobody runs round houses like that on a regular job!
if you was my window cleaner i wouldnt just sack you id have to give you a special leaving present!DAZMONDS HOW TO CLEAN WINDOWS THE PRO WAY VOLUME 1 THE BASICS! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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ME A WALLY GROUNDHOG?says the guy who prefers to use a b and q pole than a slx(or cant afford one!)yet he says he charges £25 for a 3 bed semi!! ;D ;D ;D
ive seen your video.was you being serious?you never rinsed the windows properly and whats the point in swapping poles for ground floor windows.running round and prancing like a tit!nobody runs round houses like that on a regular job!
if you was my window cleaner i wouldnt just sack you id have to give you a special leaving present!DAZMONDS HOW TO CLEAN WINDOWS THE PRO WAY VOLUME 1 THE BASICS! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Did I say Wally? I should have said idiot!!! Who swaps poles for downstairs ???? not me thats for sure!! (and you say you watched my vid?) And yes I run between windows all day and work as quickly as I can, I also charge the highest price possible, my customers are very happy with the work I do and recommend me to their friends. Sorry you don't like the fact that I work hard to provide a good standard of living for my family, to be honest I don't give a monkey's what you think!! >:(
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poole bay i have been cleaning windows 14 yrs , just over 3yrs wfp with trolley i can work a 7 hr day and get through plenty of work and earn a good wage , i have 1mm jets fitted to my brush which means i can have a lower flow rate hence i use less water ,
Stu mac sorry didnt explain myself properly i meant the trolley with out container of water weighs about 20kg , i only put container on trolley when i have lifted it out ,
Also if you carry as many containers full of water for a days work how are you messing about filling up all the time , and when i get home on a night i fill containers with a pump takes less than ten minutes to fill 10 containers ,
Also as dazmond pointed out if you have streets with parking issues which i have its eaiser with trolley, if i had a van mount on my round i would find it more of a chore its each to there own at the end of the day, ;D ;D ;D
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I'm assuming that the trolleys don't have much hose then ? Do you have to take them close to the windows you are cleaning ?
Correct. Make sure you get at least 20m extension.
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Van mount and microbore plus lightweight pole is the way to go.
If you've had a small stroke, this way will be the lightest on your body.
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Hi.
What about this =
Have a look at draper (tools) online.
In your position i would go for the 97 litre tank and pump (atv spot sprayer£206) and just lift it in and out of your bay. (strapped down when working) Carry extra water in 25ltr containers. Its a nice handy size.
Then all you need is your hose reel, pole and some way of producing pure water.
hope this helps.
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groundhog do you think we re stupid?you had a video of you cleaning some leaded windows a while ago and you swapped poles for the ground floors.i slated you at the time for lack of rinsing and the running around with a pole in your hand.it was constructive criticism but like the big girl you are you removed it.....and took you crappy b and q poles home with you!! ;D ;D
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fight fight ;D ;D ;D ;D
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groundhog do you think we re stupid?you had a video of you cleaning some leaded windows a while ago and you swapped poles for the ground floors.i slated you at the time for lack of rinsing and the running around with a pole in your hand.it was constructive criticism but like the big girl you are you removed it.....and took you crappy b and q poles home with you!! ;D ;D
What are you talking about? ??? I have never posted a video of me cleaning leaded windows, or swapping poles for that matter... I have never used a seperate pole for downstairs!! You've been wfp for 5 minutes and you think your some kind of expert!! I've been wfp for nearly 7 years now, so I think I know what I'm doing!!! ;)
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Van mount and microbore plus lightweight pole is the way to go.
If you've had a small stroke, this way will be the lightest on your body.
This is good advice, if you have had a stroke you want to make the job as easy on your body as you can!!
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Daz, there is no two ways about it, a van mount is better for almost any work I can think of. The faster you get the water on the window the quicker you can move on. This means a high flow rate and a big tank. Sure it can be done with less water but it is slower.
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Daz, there is no two ways about it, a van mount is better for almost any work I can think of. The faster you get the water on the window the quicker you can move on. This means a high flow rate and a big tank. Sure it can be done with less water but it is slower.
I couldn't have put it better myself!!!!!!!!! :)
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ive seen your video.was you being serious?you never rinsed the windows properly and whats the point in swapping poles for ground floor windows.running round and prancing like a tit!nobody runs round houses like that on a regular job!.
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No offence Groundhog, Daz, you have a way with words.
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groundhog do you think I am stupid?
YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ;)
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There seems to be pros and cons to both systems, still not sure ? on one hand I don't want to use my van exclusively for the business so may have to consider replacing it which I don't want to do or I get the trolley and put up with the hassle of changing the containers regularly (still not sure after how many average houses will I have to swap containers?). Fitness and strength aren't an issue because don't seem to be affected but going up a ladder and walking on roofs are not going to happen again because confidence is everything as all who have worked aloft will know. I'm not as bothered by the container changes as much as by the messing about at home with the filtration and refilling. I've been told that you leave your water supply constantly on then decant into a container, what about winter with the -4 temps we've had in the last few years ? I struggled to cope doing trad, surely the hoses and filtration units will freeze ! Thanks again to you all for all the help and advice.
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and took you crappy b and q poles home with you!! ;D ;D
Daz has went all smug now he's got an SL-X! ;D
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and took you crappy b and q poles home with you!! ;D ;D
Daz has went all smug now he's got an SL-X! ;D
I'm just amazed that you can understand what he's talking about with grammar like that!!! ;D
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There seems to be pros and cons to both systems, still not sure ? on one hand I don't want to use my van exclusively for the business so may have to consider replacing it which I don't want to do or I get the trolley and put up with the hassle of changing the containers regularly (still not sure after how many average houses will I have to swap containers?). Fitness and strength aren't an issue because don't seem to be affected but going up a ladder and walking on roofs are not going to happen again because confidence is everything as all who have worked aloft will know. I'm not as bothered by the container changes as much as by the messing about at home with the filtration and refilling. I've been told that you leave your water supply constantly on then decant into a container, what about winter with the -4 temps we've had in the last few years ? I struggled to cope doing trad, surely the hoses and filtration units will freeze ! Thanks again to you all for all the help and advice.
Hi Mate
I'm glad your feeling better now, I think a trolley would be great for you.
I also at 39 had a stroke in January, again no weight issues, no blood pressure, none in family, never smoked, they thought it had happend in the scrum as i'd just played (pressure on vain)but mri/ct scan showed no problem with any vains, however after 2 months of trying to find out why, they found I was born with a hole in my heart, which was filled with an unbrella 2 weeks ago, luckily the clot was so small it has not left me with any after affects......so can start playing again next season.
I think staying off the ladder is wise.. and glad you have also been able to return to work etc.
Craig
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I'm assuming that the trolleys don't have much hose then ? Do you have to take them close to the windows you are cleaning ?
Correct. Make sure you get at least 20m extension.
60 actually.
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you can take ro unit in house over night in winter if needed i the temp does not drop below -8 i leave mine running all the time and it does'nt freeze up if your work is compact you should,nt have to much worry regarding container changes
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sorry to hear you are not on par but you soon get back into things.have you had a look at a backpack system from windowcleaningwarehouse. co.uk. this might be up your alley mate.
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Another question...sorry to be a pain. If I connect the filtration unit to the tap, what is best to use to collect the pure water into. If I just use something like a water butt how do I decant into the 25ltr containers without spending ages every day. Spent a bit of time researching poles and think I'm going to get a Elite 20 or 25, nice and light , not sure of brush but I'm sure I can find a suitable one
Thanks for your encouragement Craig, good to know there is someone else who has got over this. Did you get back to work quite quickly? I only had the stroke on Monday but going to take it easy for a month seeing as I'm not allowed to drive for that period anyway.
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Martin you seem determined to get a trolley, which is a mistake.. listen to the experienced guys on here who have been there and done that!! A van mount is the way to go.. :)
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If Martin is looking at downsizing a trolly might get the job done. I need to get the maximun out of every day though so I couldn't manage without the van mount now. Martin may not be working with that sort of intensity anymore, depends on what he wants to do.
I started out with a backpack, 25ltr barrels and a Rover 45 so I do have experience of both. I believe I can get about 40% more work done using a van system and a high flow rate.
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I'd recommend a trolley as a starter despite what groundhog and some others say.
It's a simple and easy route in - and trolleys are perfectly serviceable and get the job done, esp from Pure Freedom. There are plenty of guys using them and doing nicely for themselves.
And if you want to, you can use a trolley as part of a van-mounted system, but you can't use a van mount as a trolley.
Should you decide to move to a van mounted system the only additional equipment required is the a tank and hose. Everything that is needed to work a tank mount is already there on your Pure Freedom® Trolley. Just leave it folded down, plug into your tank and you are working. Then, for that awkward to get to window detach the trolley and go!
See: http://www.purefreedom.co.uk/complete-pure-freedom-25-litre-trolley-package-p-288.html
And have a look at this one as well from dazmond.
http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=124417.msg1074718#msg1074718
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not a mistake groundhog its a choice , they would'nt be making trolley's if there was'nt a market for them, if you look at martins initial post he does'nt want a tank in the back of his classic VW,
martin i us a water 280 ltr water but for outside storage , you can buy a jet pump or something similar from local aquatics shop for about £20-30:00 a bit extra for hose and you can transfer water quite quickly , i can fill 10 containers in less than 10 minutes, hope this helps
also when you get a brush , you can fit it with 1mm pencil jets , which gives a higher pressure rinse with much lower flow rate than a brush with 2 or 3mm jets you can get the 1mm jets from cleantech
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Very well said seymour :D ;D ;D :D
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Ok get a trolley.. great idea!! and spend every working day messing about filling containers and lugging them in and out of you van, and then dragging your water supply around with you!! great idea for someone who has just had a stroke!!! Oh and of course you will earn less money, and have to work longer hours!! yep definately a good move!! Happy trollying!!!!! ;)
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Ok get a trolley.. great idea!! and spend every working day messing about filling containers and lugging them in and out of you van, and then dragging your water supply around with you!! great idea for someone who has just had a stroke!!! Oh and of course you will earn less money, and have to work longer hours!! yep definately a good move!! Happy trollying!!!!! ;)
Interesting to note, hoggy, that most of the replies are positive and helpful, giving hard information and well-thought-out opinion.
And then there's this contribution of yours.
Few people value sarcasm.
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Whatever Sunshine!! I've been wfp for 7 years and have used every method now, trolley, back pack and van mount... I'm just giving the guy my opinion based on my experience!!
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Whatever Sunshine!! I've been wfp for 7 years and have used every method now, trolley, back pack and van mount... I'm just giving the guy my opinion based on my experience!!
Yes, and people should have the option to take advice or leave it without being subject to sarcasm or ridicule.
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Another question...sorry to be a pain. If I connect the filtration unit to the tap, what is best to use to collect the pure water into.
It depends on how much work you intend doing. I think you mentioned you might be doing less work from now on. A water butt will hold about 200 ltr which depending on alot of things will clean in the region of 7-10 standard houses (I know some can clean a house with a cup of water but I can't). Some get an IBC tank which will hold 1000ltrs which is a few days worth.
Also, do you have any idea of the TDS of your water, it may be that you don't need to filter it. DI only may be an option.
If I just use something like a water butt how do I decant into the 25ltr containers without spending ages every day.
You could get a bilge pump from eBay, that will move the water quickly and won't cost a fortune.
Spent a bit of time researching poles and think I'm going to get a Elite 20 or 25, nice and light , not sure of brush but I'm sure I can find a suitable one.
Poles and brushes is a bit of a hot topic on this forum. Persoanlly I use a Gardiners SLX30 with a dual trim flcoked brush. Nothing else comes close for me but I know others will have different views on this.
Thanks for your encouragement Craig, good to know there is someone else who has got over this. Did you get back to work quite quickly? I only had the stroke on Monday but going to take it easy for a month seeing as I'm not allowed to drive for that period anyway.
Good luck and I hope you are well again soon. Where are you based, some of us may be be nearby and willing to help out with your setup. We might have some of the gear you are thinking about an you could come along and get a feel for it.
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Ok get a trolley.. great idea!! and spend every working day messing about filling containers and lugging them in and out of you van, and then dragging your water supply around with you!! great idea for someone who has just had a stroke!!! Oh and of course you will earn less money, and have to work longer hours!! yep definately a good move!! Happy trollying!!!!! ;)
I agree with ya !! How they think a trolley is less physically demanding is beyond me. If i'd had a stroke i'd much prefer just pulling a hose from my van, without any doubt.
I'm sure some of you are on drugs or summat. Filling barrels and pulling trolleys about, you gotta be off your heads.
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Yeah but the guy said he doesn't want to fit a permanent tank so we kinda have to work within that framework.
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Yeah but the guy said he doesn't want to fit a permanent tank so we kinda have to work within that framework.
He asked..........WFP trolley or van system after stroke ? Would appreciate advice.
strap a 250 litre lay flat tank in? I know he does't want to, but thats what he needs to do for his health.
Actually mate, just go on invalidity, you'll get as much money !!!! Forget tanks and trolleys !!! ;D
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He asked..........WFP trolley or van system after stroke ? Would appreciate advice.
strap a 250 litre lay flat tank in? I know he does't want to, but thats what he needs to do for his health.
Actually mate, just go on invalidity, you'll get as much money !!!! Forget tanks and trolleys !!! ;D
Common sense at last!!!!!!!! Thanks Mike, I was beginning to feel like I was hitting my head against a brick wall!! :)
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just one point to make david 1000ltrs over a few days is 200ltrs a day over 4 days a few typically been four
i use 250 ltrs a day and get through more than 10 houses just thought i would point that out not having a go i am a PF trolley user have been for over 3yrs no problems at all
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if he s planning on just using wfp on upper windows then he ll only need 4-6 barrels for a full days work so a trolley would be fine.couple it with a light pole like a clx/slx 22footer and 30m of 5mm extension hose and he s got himself a good little set up.much better than using ladders all day.
itll be adaptable so if he wants to use his van for something else then he just takes the barrels out.
no extra van insurance to pay because no vehicle modifications.
no worries about freeze ups in winter and messing about with heaters just simply bring inside and put on charge!
if he wants to he can use the trolley as a mini van mount for stand alone accounts
over time if he feels he needs a van mount just add a tank then detach the trolley for the awkward to reach windows.simple.
groundhog you really do my head in!i dont like liars!you talk BS at times!how can you deny the video ive seen of you?you deleted it after i slated it!
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Ok Ive given my advice which comes from years worth of experience in wfp, take it or leave it Martin its up to you, and good luck. I'm not going to waste my time anymore on this forum argueing with some reject from the Jeremy Kyle show like Dazmond, lifes too short!!! :(
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The trolley vs van mount issue isn't about what anyone here thinks is best,.. its what suits YOUR round best.
A trolley is great if you have lots of areas where it would be hard to drag a hose, eg. through houses, across busy pavements, or where you simply find it hard to park close enough to where you're working.
Where these problems don't exist, a van mount is a lot easier physically,.. no lifting heavy barrels or dragging trolleys in & out of the van etc.
My personal advice would be to look at your round carefully & if you are planning to work less now, start by dropping houses where you have bad frames that wouldn't suit wfp, where you have to go over flat roofs or where access is awkward. Refine your round to suit van mounted working, as it is far easier on the body. If you invest in a good lightweight pole like an SLX, use microbore hose etc it will revolutionise the way you work. Even if you want to do the same number of houses each day, you will be at work for an hour less at least.
I'd also recommend doing the bottoms WFP as well. Switching methods & carrying 2 sets of gear will slow you down no end, and confuse your customers. WFP when its done right does give the same (or better) level of cleaning as trad, and while some customers might initially be doubtful, the results will speak for themselves.
If you can spend a couple of days with experienced WFP cleaners (Maybe 1 trolley user & 1 van mounted) you will learn a huge amount & it might help you be more confident in making these decisions. I'm sure there's plenty of guys here that'd be happy to bring you along for a day & let you get a more rounded view of the various wfp options.
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I really didn't want to stir up any bad feeling between any guys on the forum and I value all your opinions even Groundhogs ! He is obviously concerned for my health and this is appreciated. As has been mentioned there have been many well thought out posts which are very relevant to my position but I must stress that although I've had a small stroke I'm physically as strong as I was and there is no way I'd even consider not working. My plan is to reduce my working week to 3 days and then only max 6 hours. I am currently discussing with my brother-in-law the possibility of him buying into my round as a partner so in all likelyhood he will wfp upstairs and I'll trad downstairs. Regarding the trolly and containers; I may try it because I don't want a permanent tank in my van but if as many have said, it does become impractical then I will add a tank mount and hosereel, nothing lost then. I want to carry on with some physical work so the loading and unloading of the containers won't bother me and also will have my brother-in-law to help. If all else fails I always have the option of dropping all my houses and concentrate on all my bungalows and shops ! Thanks again, your help and advice have helped a great deal in making an informed decision of what to do. Martin.
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Another question...sorry to be a pain. If I connect the filtration unit to the tap, what is best to use to collect the pure water into. If I just use something like a water butt how do I decant into the 25ltr containers without spending ages every day. Spent a bit of time researching poles and think I'm going to get a Elite 20 or 25, nice and light , not sure of brush but I'm sure I can find a suitable one
Thanks for your encouragement Craig, good to know there is someone else who has got over this. Did you get back to work quite quickly? I only had the stroke on Monday but going to take it easy for a month seeing as I'm not allowed to drive for that period anyway.
I was off for the week, and was not driving for a week. I can't believe you've asked a question and the best people can offer is a load of arguing about their wonderfull systems! all these guys think if they use it, its the best, madness.
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just one point to make david 1000ltrs over a few days is 200ltrs a day over 4 days a few typically been four
i use 250 ltrs a day and get through more than 10 houses just thought i would point that out not having a go i am a PF trolley user have been for over 3yrs no problems at all
Yeah, I know peoples usage differs but I was just trying to give him some ball park figures. Persoanlly I use about 650 a day to clean about 20 houses. My usage is high, I know that but it is how I work best.
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Another question...sorry to be a pain. If I connect the filtration unit to the tap, what is best to use to collect the pure water into. If I just use something like a water butt how do I decant into the 25ltr containers without spending ages every day. Spent a bit of time researching poles and think I'm going to get a Elite 20 or 25, nice and light , not sure of brush but I'm sure I can find a suitable one
Thanks for your encouragement Craig, good to know there is someone else who has got over this. Did you get back to work quite quickly? I only had the stroke on Monday but going to take it easy for a month seeing as I'm not allowed to drive for that period anyway.
I was off for the week, and was not driving for a week. I can't believe you've asked a question and the best people can offer is a load of arguing about their wonderfull systems! all these guys think if they use it, its the best, madness.
I think that is a bit unfair. However, I think the topic already has enough bitching to get into it with you.
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you can take ro unit in house over night in winter if needed i the temp does not drop below -8 i leave mine running all the time and it does'nt freeze up if your work is compact you should,nt have to much worry regarding container changes
Im ordering a new RO this coming week and im mounting it under the kitchen sink with waste going out with washing machine water and drilling a small hole for jg tubing to go outside to tank.
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martin is just like that sometimes on here just take the positive info form the post and gleam as much info form all the other posts about various pieces of kit used good luck and really hope all goes well with you and your business
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Im sure you will make up your own mind which set up is right for you and your round.
But a van mounted system with a fixed hosereel and a light pole is the least physically demanding way to go if thats what you're looking for. The only thing I ever lift in the day is a pole and brush which weighs considerably less than 2kgs. ;)
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groundhog you really do my head in!i dont like liars!you talk BS at times!how can you deny the video ive seen of you?you deleted it after i slated it!
Don't accuse me of lying, show me the post of you slating this imaginary video your talking about!! And when you can't find it or realise it was someone elses video.. I will expect a full apology!!!!!!!!!!!! >:(
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25l barrel plus trolley your talking 30-35 kilos lugging in and out. alot of us have been there and eventually move on because it is hard work and hassle. of course a trolley is brilliant when you start wfp, but i wonder how many people still use a trolley say 7 yrs on?...not many i bet. no doubt someone will now post that they are 10 yrs plus on a trolley but that will be a tiny percentage to those that either started with or moved on to van mount...there is a reason for that.
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25l barrel plus trolley your talking 30-35 kilos lugging in and out. alot of us have been there and eventually move on because it is hard work and hassle. of course a trolley is brilliant when you start wfp, but i wonder how many people still use a trolley say 7 yrs on?...not many i bet. no doubt someone will now post that they are 10 yrs plus on a trolley but that will be a tiny percentage to those that either started with or moved on to van mount...there is a reason for that.
Exactly!!!! :)
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I have been using a trolley for over six months, and it has wrecked my car !!! The water has damaged the seats and the rear suspension is on its way out. Only saying this as a warning if you have a nice car.
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not been funny mate but thats your own fault , you have failed to put waterproof covers and boot liners in your car , you cant have been taking care when lifting trolley and containers in and out ,
and you have clearly been illegally overloading your car with to much weight ??? ??? ???
I have a 5 door suzuki grand vitara 1.9 ddis big enough with a good suspension to handle the weight, I have waterproof matting plus 2 large boot liners to line the cargo area NO probs with water at all nice and dry , But i can roll the seats all the way forward and dont have to put anything on the rear seats as these are folded forward
my pole is placed inside a padded fishing rod sleeve when inside vitara so i dont scuff the interior never had any probs in over 3yrs , I have had 2 other cars in the past but its about been sensible and not overloading , but vitara is a workhorse for me i can carry 10 containers , 250 ltrs no probs
Overall with all my other bits of kit as well and a good amount of fuel in tank i am carrying 350kg at times well within payload .
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Seriously mate, if you have a classic veedub you should forget doing wfp from it altogether as it will start to rot pretty soon. Trolley systems are a major hassle, van systems are good but u need the right vehicle to work from. If I was you I would def start as I mean to go on and if you have the option (as u have kind of stated), concentrate on shops n bungalows. Let said brother in law buy in, or sell houses n use money to canvass up shops n bungalows, or find a lad to work with to do upstairs
or rent out houses. If you don't want to ruin your vehicle and want to wind down work a little I see no point in goin wfp at all. Loads of hassle if you not making big money from it. Use this as an opportunity to build up a lovely round of downstairs work! You have the perfect excuse.
Well done for wanting to keep going.
TLC
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I used aPF trolley for 18 months,
In hindsight it was hard work, especially if do t bu a static storage tank.
After getting van mount, I refined things further by removing filtration stuff, installing on wall in garage, and using a 400 litre slimline static tank which leaves enough room to ge the van in garage on cold nights.
Lugging 25 kg containers in and out of van won't do you or your back any favours.
My advice
Buy
300 litre tank for van,with filters in van if you can't put in garage.
Put filters in garage if possible
Static 350/400 litre tank in garage
Buy SLX pole , this is essential as poles with trolley package are very poor.
You may as well spend the money correctly once, buy wrong you buy twice...
Mr B
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I used aPF trolley for 18 months,
In hindsight it was hard work, especially if do t bu a static storage tank.
After getting van mount, I refined things further by removing filtration stuff, installing on wall in garage, and using a 400 litre slimline static tank which leaves enough room to ge the van in garage on cold nights.
Lugging 25 kg containers in and out of van won't do you or your back any favours.
My advice
Buy
300 litre tank for van,with filters in van if you can't put in garage.
Put filters in garage if possible
Static 350/400 litre tank in garage
Buy SLX pole , this is essential as poles with trolley package are very poor.
You may as well spend the money correctly once, buy wrong you buy twice...
Mr B
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Though I think a 300 litre tank is a bit small for the van. Maybe 400 litre minimum; bigger if possible.
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I used aPF trolley for 18 months,
In hindsight it was hard work, especially if do t bu a static storage tank.
After getting van mount, I refined things further by removing filtration stuff, installing on wall in garage, and using a 400 litre slimline static tank which leaves enough room to ge the van in garage on cold nights.
Lugging 25 kg containers in and out of van won't do you or your back any favours.
My advice
Buy
300 litre tank for van,with filters in van if you can't put in garage.
Put filters in garage if possible
Static 350/400 litre tank in garage
Buy SLX pole , this is essential as poles with trolley package are very poor.
You may as well spend the money correctly once, buy wrong you buy twice...
Mr B
I totally agree, and its what I've been saying from the start... not sure why I get slated and attacked when I say it!!? ???
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I totally agree, and its what I've been saying from the start... not sure why I get slated and attacked when I say it!!? ???
Because you slate and attack anyone who says anything different. Simples!!
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I totally agree, and its what I've been saying from the start... not sure why I get slated and attacked when I say it!!? ???
Because you slate and attack anyone who says anything different. Simples!!
OK show me where I have personally attacked someone for disagreeing with my opinion? :-\
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if your thinking of getting a trolley or backpack you may as well just stay on the ladders.
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if your thinking of getting a trolley or backpack you may as well just stay on the ladders.
My window cleaning career started off on ladders then went to a trolley (nightmare) then back to ladders, briefly onto a backpack which was marginally better than the trolley.. and finally to my van mount, I just wish I'd done it from the start!! :-\
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Thanks to all on the forum who have taken their time to offer help and advice. After much consideration I must admit that I may have to get a van fully fitted out for WFP and forget trolleys and my old VW which has served me well for the last couple of years ! I would have liked to keep it but it is only a van and I do need to make my work as easy as poss. May be on the lookout for a suitable van and set up very soon so if anyone has one or knows of one please contact me (p200mof@hotmail.com). If possible I would only like to spend between £2500-max £4000 for the right van. I'm in Hinckley, Leics. Cheers guys.
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Thanks to all on the forum who have taken their time to offer help and advice. After much consideration I must admit that I may have to get a van fully fitted out for WFP and forget trolleys
Good choice!!!!!!!!!! ;)
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Just stick with trad mate, wfp will cost you loads and it will be pretty strenuous. ive gone back to trad after 2 years with wfp, trust me its overated
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Would love to remain trad but no more ladders for me after stroke, can't take the risk of losing feeling in my arm 15ft up ! Not planning on doing much of the pole work myself anyway, got someone coming in with me and I'll continue to trad the windows downstairs....
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Would love to remain trad but no more ladders for me after stroke, can't take the risk of losing feeling in my arm 15ft up ! Not planning on doing much of the pole work myself anyway, got someone coming in with me and I'll continue to trad the windows downstairs....
I think you've made the right choice re van mount.
Much lighter on the body. Won't have the blood pumping so hard and risking another stroke - well not as much anyway.
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Just stick with trad mate, wfp will cost you loads and it will be pretty strenuous. ive gone back to trad after 2 years with wfp, trust me its overated
you mean you cant do it ;D
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Just stick with trad mate, wfp will cost you loads and it will be pretty strenuous. ive gone back to trad after 2 years with wfp, trust me its overated
What kind of system were you using Birdy? I went back to ladders after my first few months with wfp, but now I have my van mount I would never go back!!! :)
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Just stick with trad mate, wfp will cost you loads and it will be pretty strenuous. ive gone back to trad after 2 years with wfp, trust me its overated
You gotta be havin a big laugh here. WFP blows trad out the water for about 90% of jobs. It cleans better, cleans more, is safer and quicker. The only people who persevere with trad on domestics are the people who do not want to invest and/or have no desire to fix what isn't broke.
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to bloody strenuous nearly choked on my toast there , ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ???
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Just stick with trad mate, wfp will cost you loads and it will be pretty strenuous. ive gone back to trad after 2 years with wfp, trust me its overated
you mean you cant do it ;D
did it for 2 years got good results on many jobs, but went back to trad for an easier life. No more refilling, snagging, dragging, moving van, wasting my cash. Now i know every window i clean will be left perfect whereas with wfp the results were indifferent to say the least.
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Just stick with trad mate, wfp will cost you loads and it will be pretty strenuous. ive gone back to trad after 2 years with wfp, trust me its overated
What kind of system were you using Birdy? I went back to ladders after my first few months with wfp, but now I have my van mount I would never go back!!! :)
Started with a trolley used it s a van mount in my l200 then got a backpack, so tried it all. Ladders all the way for me :)
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Just stick with trad mate, wfp will cost you loads and it will be pretty strenuous. ive gone back to trad after 2 years with wfp, trust me its overated
You gotta be havin a big laugh here. WFP blows trad out the water for about 90% of jobs. It cleans better, cleans more, is safer and quicker. The only people who persevere with trad on domestics are the people who do not want to invest and/or have no desire to fix what isn't broke.
no not having a big laugh just letting the guy know my opinion. i did invest and tired to develop my business but wfp just makes window cleaning far too complicated and expensive.
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to bloody strenuous nearly choked on my toast there , ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ???
Dont get what you mean, i put wfp is strenuous, i didnt want this guy to invest his money in wfp thinking that it would be easy.
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groundhog you really do my head in!i dont like liars!you talk BS at times!how can you deny the video ive seen of you?you deleted it after i slated it!
Don't accuse me of lying, show me the post of you slating this imaginary video your talking about!! And when you can't find it or realise it was someone elses video.. I will expect a full apology!!!!!!!!!!!! >:(
I'm still waiting!!! >:(
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I totally agree, and its what I've been saying from the start... not sure why I get slated and attacked when I say it!!? ???
Because you slate and attack anyone who says anything different. Simples!!
OK show me where I have personally attacked someone for disagreeing with my opinion? :-\
I'm still waiting!!! >:(
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Build your Own Basic system
E.mail if you need any help
filmguy2001@rocketmail.com
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Just a quick follow-up for all the guys kind enough to offer advice. Put a deposit on a transit with 650ltr tank and two man system today, it's going to be interesting to see how this wfp thing is compared to trad which I've done on and off for 15 years. Thanks again to you all, Martin.
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Good luck Martin
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i too would have liked to see the "prancing like a tit" video
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Just a quick follow-up for all the guys kind enough to offer advice. Put a deposit on a transit with 650ltr tank and two man system today, it's going to be interesting to see how this wfp thing is compared to trad which I've done on and off for 15 years. Thanks again to you all, Martin.
That sounds great Martin, it might take a month or so to get used to it.. but stick with it and you will never look back!! :)