Clean It Up
UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: Dean Taberner on May 17, 2011, 10:58:29 am
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Hi guys,
The tennis elbow has gone and been replaced by horrific shoulder pain,
The pain is from my shoulder blade and down to under my arm pit, and my shoulder seems to click every now and then.
Anyone else got this?
I've just dropped a massive clanger by spraying deep heat spray from my shoulder to under my armpit resulting in a nice burning stinging pain under in the old pit.
I think I'm getting old :-(.
Dean.
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Yes, all the time; mostly on my left shoulder - I'm right handed - and I guess it's just an occupational hazzard.
Are we all going to be cripples in years to come ???
You'll be able to spot an ex window cleaner cause he'll be the one only able to use the one arm ;D
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Yes, all the time; mostly on my left shoulder - I'm right handed - and I guess it's just an occupational hazzard.
Are we all going to be cripples in years to come ???
You'll be able to spot an ex window cleaner cause he'll be the one only able to use the one arm ;D
I CAN ONLY USE ONE ARM NOW DUE TO RSI WHEN I WAS A TEENAGER ;D
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that sounds bad mate.rota cuff damage.have you been to the doctors?
my problem is my ankle.still not healed fully from spraining it 6 weeks ago!at least im not climbing up ladders to every window to clean them!
sounds like you need to completely stop poling altogether for a while.
do you work 7 days a week dean a lot of the time?would you class yourself as a "workaholic"?this could be your problem as your not giving your body enough rest.
do you use the lightest carbon poles or are you still doing some of the high work with heavy poles?
this could be potentially the thorn in the side of a lot of us wfpolers in years to come if we dont get enough rest in between long days of poling.
me myself have developed very powerful shoulder muscles as a direct result of poling as i never go to the gym!all in the space of 12 months wfp.
take a break dean and best wishes for a speedy recovery.
regards
dazmond
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YOU JUST ANSWERED MY POST ON'TOTHER THREAD ;D
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Yes, all the time; mostly on my left shoulder - I'm right handed - and I guess it's just an occupational hazzard.
Are we all going to be cripples in years to come ???
You'll be able to spot an ex window cleaner cause he'll be the one only able to use the one arm ;D
I CAN ONLY USE ONE ARM NOW DUE TO RSI WHEN I WAS A TEENAGER ;D
I can only use one arm too; more self inflicted when I was a teenager to be honest. MY eyesight is naff too ;D
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Yes, all the time; mostly on my left shoulder - I'm right handed - and I guess it's just an occupational hazzard.
Are we all going to be cripples in years to come ???
You'll be able to spot an ex window cleaner cause he'll be the one only able to use the one arm ;D
The left arm acts as a giude and pole support when lifting and its the small lift movements that does it. Got the RSI myself and am doing the 7 excercises I found on You tube which are starting to help. Start with the pendlelum one. You know your in for it if you have any pain trying to put your arm into a shirt or jacket behind your back when putting it on. Take immediate action and get pro help. I found that manpulation was no help but accupuncture was.
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I would see an Osteopath Dean. "The shoulder bones conected to the..elbow bone" etc etc. Once you know whats wrong and the likely causes, you can work around it and be pain free. Like Dazmond say's, got to take some rest especially at your age :)
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that sounds bad mate.rota cuff damage.have you been to the doctors?
I agree. I had two visits to the doctors last year; the pain was unbelievable sometimes; especially when I 'jarred myself' (phnaar phnaar); if I slipped for example, and moved quickly, the pain used to double me up.
I couldn't even wash under my right armpit with my left hand; the movement was too painful. I did what Trippy has to do and washed myself using a sponge on a stick.
I didn't want to see the doc, just in case he said my window cleaning days were over, and I've have to look for another occupation such as a fast jet pilot or something, but he gave me a course of really strong anti inflammatory drugs and it helped clear it up.
The good news (for me) was that the damage was not permanent. The bad news was that because the shoulder has a poor blood supply, it takes a long time for these injuries to heal up.
But since I've started using the SLX, I've not had any problems; though to be fair, it cleared up while I was using the Harris pole.
It feels great now though.
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I would really recommend going to see an osteopath. They will tell you exactly what the problem is, work on the problem and even give you exercises to help solve it, a good osteopath are worth every penny. I know of an old lass that was going to have a hip replacement, went to the osteopath and then didn't need the hip operation after all because of the work he did.
The other thing is get the lightest pole you can, its false economy to buy cheaper and heavy. Let's say you save £500 on the pole, but then have to take a day off every now and then because of elbow or shoulder pain and you spend out on medicine and treatment, you have more than lost your saving.
Another good idea is to look at your heights and have a couple of regular poles. No point carting a 25 ft pole around all day if you only use 18 ft on 90% of your work. So buy an additional 18ft pole and only use the longer one when you need it.
These things cost money but time off with an injury costs even more.
Simon.
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once you get over 40, everything starts falling off!
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Yep shoulders elbows and hands all play up. On bad days after heavy work I can hardly get undressed. I have good anti inflamatory tabs and pain killers.
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Wrist elbow shoulder on left .RSI .
If you employ you will need to make sure your employees dont make a claim for RSI read one in paper 250 k compo
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Wow, sounds great! Can't wait to go WFP!!! Only joking guys. All our domestics are only ground and 1st floor so should be OK with 18ft pole. I've been lucky so far really, no aches and pains from trad. Tempted fate now. :(
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Ive got real pain down back between shoulder blades Its ok when lying down but when walking around hurts like hell ,Trying cold spray to get rib of swelling and anty inflamutres tabs
Think new pole might help ? when are slx 25 back in stock??
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what u need to do dean is, get some one else to carry your wallet for you and it should clear up in no time ;D
must be murder picking it up ;D
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rather than using deep heat spray mate you need to use a freezing gel like bio freeze as recommend by cyropractor's other brand s are available a torn muscle or ligament heals quicker when cool get frozen peas out as well i had few days off with bad back last year but bio freeze helped when i got back to work lasts a long time as well
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lesser of two evils, fall off and break your neck, get flat feet/ fallen arches/bad swollen knees, ankles etc. take care out there, save your life go waterfed :)
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Thanks for the replies guys,
Hopefully its just a strain and not the rotator cuff injury,
Its has come since I started some new powerwashing work where I lift a heavy petrol washer out of a high van to the floor, the work is weekly and there are 7 jobs so ive been lifting in and out at angles that im not used to numerous times a day,
Ive been checking the thread throughout the day on my phone and noticed the last post about using the deep freeze spray instead of the deep heat and i must say that it is a lot more comforting.
It certainly isnt cus my wallet is too heavy either ;D ;D
Without sounding too sick either its good to know that others are suffering :o :o :o
Thanks again,
Dean.
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Not if you emply and they make a claim
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Jason,
You are an employers worst nightmare fella ;D
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The pain is still here and it seems worse after 6 days of mainly lugging the pressure washer in and out of the van and wfping,
I've booked for an early finish to visit the quacks on monday to see what he says. I've already diagnosed myself with a rotator cuff injury after reading up on it,
I'm about to start self medicating with wine,
Roll on monday,
Dean.
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You should do your poleing with your arms down at waist height not raised above your shoulders. Putting it bluntly it should look to an observer like you are w***ing the pole (sorry but thats the truth, don't know of a better way to put it) that way it stops you loading the upper arms, shoulder and neck muscles..
OK so now I have said it lets hear the comments.
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I knew that was coming ( oops sorry about the pun)
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I've had the worst night with my shoulder so far,
It even put me off my wine plans,
Roll on tomorrow at the Drs, I hope I haven't torn a ligament :-(
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Try a few paracetamol/codine for a few days.
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my lads been paying for massage, they come round his house ,and so he says "get the knots out" . tells me some charge 45 for a full hour sports massage but other do good for 25 . i heard him telling a friend that some are no good at getting the knots out of his shoulders
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my lads been paying for massage, they come round his house ,and so he says "get the knots out" . tells me some charge 45 for a full hour sports massage but other do good for 25 . i heard him telling a friend that some are no good at getting the knots out of his shoulders
bobby thats a good shout is to have a massage,we spend thousand on abusing are bodys but dont spend any on treatments or looking after them.
i pay £15 for a 1hrs sports massager but that witha friend,and believe me it makes a diffenece
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only £15. That must be a very "special" friend then. Do they work out of a room in old market?
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only £15. That must be a very "special" friend then. Do they work out of a room in old market?
thats the one you told me about, :o ;D ;D ;D
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went to one of these therapists mate and made mine worse.
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I've had the worst night with my shoulder so far,
It even put me off my wine plans,
Roll on tomorrow at the Drs, I hope I haven't torn a ligament :-(
It sounds exactly the same as what was wrong with mine. Your left shoulder. Restricted movement. Have difficulty getting dressed; taking coats/shirts on and off almost impossible doing it the normal way.
When you move quickly, for example if you slip and correct your body position, are you in a lot of pain? When I did this, the pain was intense enough to 'drop' me for a minute or so; very acute pain.
If so, it's not as bad as you think. A course of strong anti-inflammatory tablets will sort this out, but it'll take a few weeks to seriously improve and a month-or-two to get back to 100% normal.
My shoulder's great now.
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Good to hear its gone :) Anti Inflam dont always work (with me)and should be taken with a stomache lining protector.The olny thing that is working with me is excercise, even the accupuntcure failed. :(
For what its worth its best not to let it start by using good wfp method and warm up and cool down, maybe somebody should write a book.
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and should be taken with a stomache lining protector.
The tablets I had come coated in something that means they don't dissolve till they get to your small intestine (or something like that) but they still wrecked my guts. I had to eat them with food, but even then they took some getting used too. It wasn't much fun going poo poo. :-X
The olny thing that is working with me is excercise,
What exercises do you do? I think I read one of your posts that you follow a regime you saw on youtube. Have you a linky?
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Had a similar problem about 6 months ago dean... doc said 2 months off work... i changed my pole from a hydra alloy to a clx and it was gone in a few days.
DONT have dihydracodine - it messes with you (not in good ways) and im still suffering from taking it 6 months down the line
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and should be taken with a stomache lining protector.
The tablets I had come coated in something that means they don't dissolve till they get to your small intestine (or something like that) but they still wrecked my guts. I had to eat them with food, but even then they took some getting used too. It wasn't much fun going poo poo. :-X
The olny thing that is working with me is excercise,
What exercises do you do? I think I read one of your posts that you follow a regime you saw on youtube. Have you a linky?
Tosh its easy jut put your pain into You tube.
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=rotator+cuff+injury+exercises&aq=1&oq=rotator+cuff+injury
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dean you could have a frozen shoulder.if so your in deep trouble mate.could take months to get better!! :( :(
hope its not though!
best wishes
dazmond
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my advise would be to spend 5 minutes stretching in the morning and evening.
A lot of the aches and pains can come from lactic acid that builds up in the muscles after doing a repetitive action. Stretching will get rid of this lactic acid (which is effectively a poison), and also helps prevent any niggles from building up into serious actions by increasing flexibility and strength
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That sounds exactly like a frozen shoulder and it's bloody painful, especially if you over extend past a certain point, it can be so painful it'll almost drop you to your knees in agony.
My doc rammed a nice fat juicy needle a couple of times deep into my shoulder joint....didn't hurt much at all in truth and it did help a little.
There are a few exercises you can try;
One is to use your fingers to walk your hand up the the wall to the point it begins to hurt....
Strange things are frozen shoulders, they are nor 100% sure why they occur but it is basically the sheath or cap around the joint squeezes tight rather than stretches and as a result ends out restricting movement and forcing things unduly, quite apart from causing you intense agony, just excacibates the situation and causes inflammation...erm...or something like that :-/
Plenty of rest for the arm, dose up with anti inflamatories of one kind or another and after several months you will suddenly realise the pain has gone and your shoulder is back to normal....
I tried acupuncture, massage, cortisone injections and screaming like a baby when I would give it an accidental wrench, followed by language so foul that birds fell dead from the sky as a result!
In the end it just slowly faded away.
Ian
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Fades away, yep after 5 months or so.
It cannot spread can it, I now have the beggings in my other shoulder ? :'(