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Title: average days takings
Post by: Paddy Woods on May 14, 2011, 12:26:20 pm
Hi folks,whats your average days takings ?im hitting £130 per day on domestics (not flat out also not fulll week yet)
I know some sparkling van fellas may want to gloat how much they earn compare to us mewbies but just looking for average day from normal car ladders/wfp fellas for now  :-\
Title: Re: average days takings
Post by: mci services on May 14, 2011, 12:29:33 pm
sounds good to me ;)
Title: Re: average days takings
Post by: richard jagger on May 14, 2011, 12:33:30 pm
Keep up the good work. There is nothing wrong with using a car we all started at the bottom.Its not the van makes        the man it the man buys van. Battling to buy a van is a good driving force to succeed.
Title: Re: average days takings
Post by: Pope vader on May 14, 2011, 12:44:01 pm
dont listen to most wc on what they earn,  u get them on here, earning 100s before 8 am,  yet 1 week of bad weather and they are crying they are going bust and have no money, cant afford to pay there staff and can they lay them off over winter 
Title: Re: average days takings
Post by: cozy on May 14, 2011, 12:52:45 pm
Nothing wrong with that mate. 130 a day turnover is good in some areas, fantastic in others. Depends where you are, but a good days turnover by any standards of one man band.

You can't really trust earnings posted on here, just make sur you earn what you think is right for the amount of work you put in. Some here want to build empires, some want a good living and some just do enough.

That's the good side of this malarky, you decide how far you go, but nothing wrong with an average of 130 a day.
Title: Re: average days takings
Post by: tony atkinson on May 14, 2011, 12:55:39 pm
£180 a day between two men nice easy pace anythin over is a bonus keep it up mate you will get a nice van one day. we all start some were and it sound like you are doing well keep at it and you will be boomin .
Title: Re: average days takings
Post by: groundhog on May 14, 2011, 12:59:02 pm
nothing wrong with an average of 130 a day.

Who wants to be average? Not me!!!!!!  ;)
Title: Re: average days takings
Post by: cozy on May 14, 2011, 01:00:10 pm
Like I said "Some here want to build empires, some want a good living and some just do enough."

Title: Re: average days takings
Post by: Mike_G on May 14, 2011, 01:01:07 pm
What does it matter what other people earn. You earn what you are happy with or at least earn what you need to earn and leave it at that, all this I earn xxx amount is pointless, as already posted on here "dont listen to most wc on what they earn,  u get them on here, earning 100s before 8 am,  yet 1 week of bad weather and they are crying they are going bust and have no money, cant afford to pay there staff and can they lay them off over winter"

Title: Re: average days takings
Post by: ♠Winp®oClean♠ on May 14, 2011, 01:14:23 pm
What does it matter what other people earn. You earn what you are happy with or at least earn what you need to earn and leave it at that, all this I earn xxx amount is pointless, as already posted on here "dont listen to most wc on what they earn,  u get them on here, earning 100s before 8 am,  yet 1 week of bad weather and they are crying they are going bust and have no money, cant afford to pay there staff and can they lay them off over winter"



Yeah, & using £15 Harris decorator poles for wfp!! ;D ;D
Title: Re: average days takings
Post by: groundhog on May 14, 2011, 01:17:16 pm

Yeah, & using £15 Harris decorator poles for wfp!! ;D ;D

A poles a pole!! Why spend hundreds of pounds when a £15 pole does the job just as well, if not better??  ;)
Title: Re: average days takings
Post by: Lee GLS on May 14, 2011, 01:45:38 pm

Yeah, & using £15 Harris decorator poles for wfp!! ;D ;D

A poles a pole!! Why spend hundreds of pounds when a £15 pole does the job just as well, if not better??  ;)


 :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o

A poles a pole, ive read some rubbish on here before, but that is right up there. Im not saying a harris pole isnt good for the money, but you cannot compare it to a carbon fiber pole that is lighter, more ridged, shorter closed length, and better clamps.



Title: Re: average days takings
Post by: groundhog on May 14, 2011, 02:13:00 pm

Yeah, & using £15 Harris decorator poles for wfp!! ;D ;D

A poles a pole!! Why spend hundreds of pounds when a £15 pole does the job just as well, if not better??  ;)


 :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o

A poles a pole, ive read some rubbish on here before, but that is right up there. Im not saying a harris pole isnt good for the money, but you cannot compare it to a carbon fiber pole that is lighter, more ridged, shorter closed length, and better clamps.



Not this again!! Please feel free to post a video of yourself cleaning a normal house with your super duper £400+ pole, and I'll post a vid of me using a £15 Harris, so we can see how its worth an extra 385 quid!!!
Title: Re: average days takings
Post by: lozsing on May 14, 2011, 02:15:34 pm
tryi using a harris over a conny lol
Title: Re: average days takings
Post by: Paddy Woods on May 14, 2011, 02:17:59 pm
cheers guys  ;)
im not out to get a posh van or big image just a decent weeks earnings !
ive brought some rounds & got askd to do some houses that the guy lost as i dont think he was too good
i go the extra mile by doing frames etc (trad man) try to dress in good workgear & look the part, but just got a pole from gardiners and a backpack (get water from a m8 for now) was nervous about doing wfp but do windows now that are a bit risky by ladders trying to introduce it slowly (as a tool for now)
My big problem is canvasssing   :( pulled up outside an area last week & went for it BUT every house had a windy got back in car nearly shaking & totally down....find this so hard to do,most areas SEEMED covered or  thats the way im thinking  :-\

any advice on this front guys ??
Title: Re: average days takings
Post by: Ian101 on May 14, 2011, 02:18:08 pm
Hi folks,whats your average days takings ?im hitting £130 per day on domestics (not flat out also not fulll week yet)
I know some sparkling van fellas may want to gloat how much they earn compare to us mewbies but just looking for average day from normal car ladders/wfp fellas for now  :-\

£130 trad with none of the wfp overheads for a newbie aint bad going fella ..  ;D
Title: Re: average days takings
Post by: Lee GLS on May 14, 2011, 02:18:39 pm

Yeah, & using £15 Harris decorator poles for wfp!! ;D ;D

A poles a pole!! Why spend hundreds of pounds when a £15 pole does the job just as well, if not better??  ;)


 :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o

A poles a pole, ive read some rubbish on here before, but that is right up there. Im not saying a harris pole isnt good for the money, but you cannot compare it to a carbon fiber pole that is lighter, more ridged, shorter closed length, and better clamps.



Not this again!! Please feel free to post a video of yourself cleaning a normal house with your super duper £400+ pole, and I'll post a vid of me using a £15 Harris, so we can see how its worth an extra 385 quid!!!

It not the ability to clean a house that is different, its the ease of use and how you feel at the end of the day after a full days use, that is why its worth spending £250-£300 on a pole.
Title: Re: average days takings
Post by: Ian101 on May 14, 2011, 02:20:56 pm
cheers guys  ;)
im not out to get a posh van or big image just a decent weeks earnings !
ive brought some rounds & got askd to do some houses that the guy lost as i dont think he was too good
i go the extra mile by doing frames etc (trad man) try to dress in good workgear & look the part, but just got a pole from gardiners and a backpack (get water from a m8 for now) was nervous about doing wfp but do windows now that are a bit risky by ladders trying to introduce it slowly (as a tool for now)
My big problem is canvasssing   :( pulled up outside an area last week & went for it BUT every house had a windy got back in car nearly shaking & totally down....find this so hard to do,most areas SEEMED covered or  thats the way im thinking  :-\

any advice on this front guys ??

yup loads on the canvassong front ... whats ur email and will send you summit over tomorrow ... its helped a few chaps out   ;D ....
Title: Re: average days takings
Post by: AuRavelling79 on May 14, 2011, 02:35:14 pm
Average is a lot different from maximum.

Look at what you took (turnover - one man) over the last twelve months and divide by 52 to get a true average figure per week. Divide by 5 for a full timer for day rate.

I reckon the chart for full timers would look like this for many of us.

Trad turnover - one man

less than £15K - you're a part timer me old son.
£15000 - £20000   60%
£20000 - £25000   30%
£25000 - £30000     8%
£30K plus               2%

Wfp

£20000 - £25000   60%
£25000 - £30000   25%
£30000 - £35000   10%
£35000 - £40000     3%
£40K plus               2%

Roy Harding £100,000!  ;D    
Title: Re: average days takings
Post by: Mike_G on May 14, 2011, 04:00:59 pm
cheers guys  ;)
im not out to get a posh van or big image just a decent weeks earnings !
ive brought some rounds & got askd to do some houses that the guy lost as i dont think he was too good
i go the extra mile by doing frames etc (trad man) try to dress in good workgear & look the part, but just got a pole from gardiners and a backpack (get water from a m8 for now) was nervous about doing wfp but do windows now that are a bit risky by ladders trying to introduce it slowly (as a tool for now)
My big problem is canvasssing   :( pulled up outside an area last week & went for it BUT every house had a windy got back in car nearly shaking & totally down....find this so hard to do,most areas SEEMED covered or  thats the way im thinking  :-\

any advice on this front guys ??

Keep doing a good job and more work will come in, word of mouth from your customers will be by far the best work you will pick up
Title: Re: average days takings
Post by: cozy on May 14, 2011, 04:07:50 pm
The fact that you kept going even when canvassing effected you so much is great. the more you do it, the less it will effect you. Eventually you will get to the point of enjoying it. Head down and keep going. Cleaning windows is the easy part, the work is in getting the custies.
Title: Re: average days takings
Post by: AuRavelling79 on May 14, 2011, 04:21:02 pm
Why you "annoyed" cozy?
Title: Re: average days takings
Post by: groundhog on May 14, 2011, 04:27:07 pm

It not the ability to clean a house that is different, its the ease of use and how you feel at the end of the day after a full days use, that is why its worth spending £250-£300 on a pole.

You don't get much lighter or easier to use than a Harris for everyday work, believe me I know!! Like I said.. post a vid of you using your super duper pole on an average house, and I'll post a vid of me using a Harris pole, and then we can see the difference.... Put up or shut up!!!!  ;)
Title: Re: average days takings
Post by: groundhog on May 14, 2011, 04:30:08 pm
tryi using a harris over a conny lol

I have many times... I don't see why that would be a problem???  ???
Title: Re: average days takings
Post by: LADDER MONKEY on May 14, 2011, 04:35:15 pm
- about £10 a day  ;D
Title: Re: average days takings
Post by: cozy on May 14, 2011, 04:41:57 pm
Why you "annoyed" cozy?

Can't remember now, I know I was really annoyed about something someone posted, but can't find it now. ??? I'll stay annoyed for a while.  8)
Title: Re: average days takings
Post by: ♠Winp®oClean♠ on May 14, 2011, 04:45:42 pm
tryi using a harris over a conny lol

I have many times... I don't see why that would be a problem???  ???

I do, they are crap!! full stop Groundhog!

I've got one & used it, for any serious wfp'er they are a joke!

Not bad for high internal trad work but a joke for serious wfp use!

I take it you are not being serious, Oh, I've seen your video too, I'll be sticking to my £300 SLX thankyou! ;D
Title: Re: average days takings
Post by: rosskesava on May 14, 2011, 04:52:38 pm
cheers guys  ;)
im not out to get a posh van or big image just a decent weeks earnings !
ive brought some rounds & got askd to do some houses that the guy lost as i dont think he was too good
i go the extra mile by doing frames etc (trad man) try to dress in good workgear & look the part, but just got a pole from gardiners and a backpack (get water from a m8 for now) was nervous about doing wfp but do windows now that are a bit risky by ladders trying to introduce it slowly (as a tool for now)
My big problem is canvasssing   :( pulled up outside an area last week & went for it BUT every house had a windy got back in car nearly shaking & totally down....find this so hard to do,most areas SEEMED covered or  thats the way im thinking  :-\

any advice on this front guys ??

Every house had a window cleaner? Are you sure about that? Or is it more that is how it seemed to you at the time?

Also, it's not that 'most areas are covered'. In most areas there will be houses that already have window cleaners but that does not mean those window cleaners have that area covered.

I was doing roped access stuff but jacked it in because it was too much driving and I've gone back to ordinary houses so in effect, I've had to start all over again.

I got 5 000 leaflets done and spent weeks and weeks leafleting. I didn't see it as trying to get work, I just saw it as all I'm doing is putting a leaflet through a door and nothing else. If you do enough leafleting, the work will find you 100% guaranteed whether there is window cleaners in an area or not. I found the success rate is 4 or 5 decent jobs per 1 000 leaflets but I had about 30 odd inquiries per 1 000 leaflets.

Just think of it as putting a bit of paper or card through someones letterbox and nothing more and you'll be fine.

Cheers
Title: Re: average days takings
Post by: groundhog on May 14, 2011, 05:01:32 pm
tryi using a harris over a conny lol

I have many times... I don't see why that would be a problem???  ???

I do, they are crap!! full stop Groundhog!

I've got one & used it, for any serious wfp'er they are a joke!

Not bad for high internal trad work but a joke for serious wfp use!

I take it you are not being serious, Oh, I've seen your video too, I'll be sticking to my £300 SLX thankyou! ;D

Talk is cheap Wimpo-clean!! We went through all this stuff a long time ago.. I said that I could clean windows with my Harris pole as well and as easily as any other pole on the market, not to mention much quicker as I use my Harris pole clampless!! Everyone said that I couldn't.. so I posted a series of vids demonstrating the Harris pole in action and I challenged anyone to demonstrate their expensive pole cleaning an average house either better or faster than me, guess what.. no one took up the challenge.. but many were converted to the fantastic value Harris pole!!!  ;)
Title: Re: average days takings
Post by: mci services on May 14, 2011, 05:05:46 pm
have to agree with groundhog on this, although I missed the clips he posted.

but using a harris clampless is really fast and easy.
Title: Re: average days takings
Post by: EWCServices on May 14, 2011, 05:13:07 pm
I thought up here in Scotland our earnings were inferior to our neighbours down south so im quite suprised to see there isnt that much of difference ive got a few runs of council houses(mostly bought) £4 a house years ago i could do 6 houses an hr but now im at 5 houses an hr this is done trad,i have wfp but i just use it on high and awkward work so roughly £20 an hr i make and my worker makes the same and i pay him £50 a shift,hes looking for a pay rise as hes been with me almost 2 yr now so a 50p increase is in the offing nxt month which should take me up to on ave £22.50 an hr per man.
Title: Re: average days takings
Post by: ♠Winp®oClean♠ on May 14, 2011, 05:17:57 pm
tryi using a harris over a conny lol

I have many times... I don't see why that would be a problem???  ???

I do, they are crap!! full stop Groundhog!

I've got one & used it, for any serious wfp'er they are a joke!

Not bad for high internal trad work but a joke for serious wfp use!

I take it you are not being serious, Oh, I've seen your video too, I'll be sticking to my £300 SLX thankyou! ;D

Talk is cheap Wimpo-clean!! We went through all this stuff a long time ago.. I said that I could clean windows with my Harris pole as well and as easily as any other pole on the market, not to mention much quicker as I use my Harris pole clampless!! Everyone said that I couldn't.. so I posted a series of vids demonstrating the Harris pole in action and I challenged anyone to demonstrate their expensive pole cleaning an average house either better or faster than me, guess what.. no one took up the challenge.. but many were converted to the fantastic value Harris pole!!!  ;)

 ;D ;D ;D ;D

Groundhog, I know exactly what the Harris pole is like, as I said, I have one & have tried it.

We are talking about serious wfp'ing here, not whipping round tiny 3 bed semi's while your girlfriend films you! ;D ;D

I have used both, do you think for one minute if I could spend £15 & get the same as I get for £300 I wouldn't? ::) ::)

Not for me but you keep using it my friend, I don't care enough to take a video either! ;D
Title: Re: average days takings
Post by: bad trippy on May 14, 2011, 05:21:44 pm
On a good day Frank earns £50 and his employee earns £75  ;D
Title: Re: average days takings
Post by: Tom White on May 14, 2011, 05:28:35 pm
but using a harris clampless is really fast and easy.

I've used a Harris pole for about four-or-five years.  I've used the SLX for just over a month.

I know which pole I prefer, and it's not the Harris.

I find because the SLX is so much stiffer, and lighter; also longer than the Harris (I use the 18 foot SLX) that it's just so much easier.  I find that even though I may not work quicker-per-window, I tire far less and I'm able to work far longer and still arrive home full of beans; and come the next day, I'm raring to get out and stuck in again.

Also, because it's lighter and shorter when closed, it makes ground floor windows easier to do than using a Harris.

I've used both poles; and I will never use a Harris again with the exception of certain jobs which wouldn't be routine external window cleaning.

The Harris pole is a great pole for £15 and probably beats other far more expensive poles made of fibreglass or aluminium; and maybe even carbon fibre composite, but for full carbon poles it's in a lesser league guys.

I'm not an 'equipment snob', I'll DIY where it makes financial sense to do so, but being honest here, I think it makes financial sense to go carbon.  You'll tire less easily, work longer, and do less damage to your joints.

Twice last year I was in severe pain with my left shoulder; sometimes it was crippling; and I ended up taking Naproxen (a strong anti-inflammatory which really messes up your guts) for long periods and I have a note on medical records saying I can pick it up anytime I like without seeing the doc.

But since I've been using the SLX I've not had any shoulder problems.
Title: Re: average days takings
Post by: Frankybadboy on May 14, 2011, 05:31:29 pm
On a good day Frank earns £50 and his employee earns £75  ;D
well trippy thats double what you earn then :P
Title: Re: average days takings
Post by: groundhog on May 14, 2011, 05:44:42 pm

 Oh, I've seen your video too

We are talking about serious wfping here not whipping round tiny 3 bed semi's

 I don't care enough to take a video either! ;D

I didn't think you would post a vid as that would prove me right!! And you obviously haven't seen my vids as they were all 3 bed detached in the vids, and I can clean over 40 of them in one day using my clampless Harris pole, hows that for serious wfping!!!!  ;D
Title: Re: average days takings
Post by: groundhog on May 14, 2011, 05:49:55 pm
Here's a few of the vids just in case anyone is interested, the one at the bottom is probably the best;

http://robinson-solutions.blogspot.com/2008/06/painter-poles-become-water-fed-poles.html
Title: Re: average days takings
Post by: DavidWright76 on May 14, 2011, 05:54:01 pm
I'm a lot faster than when i started out back in september and business is going through the roof in both window cleaning and carpet cleaning. In the past 3 weeks, i have taken £230 each weekend plus i'll be starting a new contract in the summer cleaning the ins and outs of a school with around 200 windows. Time to quit the day job i reckon.
Title: Re: average days takings
Post by: Paddy Woods on May 14, 2011, 06:10:32 pm

Every house had a window cleaner? Are you sure about that? Or is it more that is how it seemed to you at the time?

Also, it's not that 'most areas are covered'. In most areas there will be houses that already have window cleaners but that does not mean those window cleaners have that area covered.

Thanks Ross

well i pickd 1 small cul de sac about 20 houses which were about 10yrs old nice houses,but about 8 of the houses said nicely they had a windy so in the last few i just poped a card into the last houses...all the people i askd were very nice to me but felt i was banging my head off a wall & should i stop picking 'good' estates?

also when they said they had a windy i turnd on my heals .....1 windy seen me out & askd was i out trying to get work so i said yes but was not undercutting etc trying to be friendly but he was trying too hard with me! said you dont want to be nocking doors as you look desperate !let people come to you he said!! we'd be very poor if thats the way i thought  :-\
but them words kind of get into the mind   :(
Title: Re: average days takings
Post by: cozy on May 14, 2011, 06:16:55 pm
The "Fastest" way to get custies is by knocking. Nobody says otherwise. Quality custies come to you, but untill they get there, keep knocking. If you think it makes you look desperate, that's because you are. No joke meant, you think it's life and death. Get your attitude right and the rest will come naturally. Just remember, if they already have a windy, no problem. Doesn't mean everyone in the street has one though. You don't know till you ask. What's the worst that can happen?

I know rejection can be annoying and wear you down, but the difference between guys with small rounds and the guys with big rounds is who knocks and leaflets more. Which do you want to be?

Some will, some wont, so what, who cares? Keep knocking. ;)
Title: Re: average days takings
Post by: LWC on May 14, 2011, 06:30:53 pm
tryi using a harris over a conny lol

Easy
Title: Re: average days takings
Post by: Paddy Woods on May 14, 2011, 06:35:42 pm
The "Fastest" way to get custies is by knocking. Nobody says otherwise. Quality custies come to you, but untill they get there, keep knocking. If you think it makes you look desperate, that's because you are. No joke meant, you think it's life and death. Get your attitude right and the rest will come naturally. Just remember, if they already have a windy, no problem. Doesn't mean everyone in the street has one though. You don't know till you ask. What's the worst that can happen?

I know rejection can be annoying and wear you down, but the difference between guys with small rounds and the guys with big rounds is who knocks and leaflets more. Which do you want to be?

Some will, some wont, so what, who cares? Keep knocking. ;)

Thanks Cosy
you should go into motivation speaking you have me all fired up to go out now ;)
going to go out monday after work for an hour let you know how it goes (ps will print this off & look at it when i need a push  ;D)
 
Title: Re: average days takings
Post by: cozy on May 14, 2011, 06:37:20 pm
AH! You thought that was a free tip??



15 quid please  8) ;D
Title: Re: average days takings
Post by: the bfg on May 14, 2011, 07:01:34 pm
AH! You thought that was a free tip??



15 quid please  8) ;D
















Cosy lad.

why the long face chief ?
Title: Re: average days takings
Post by: Gav Camm lammy 283 on May 14, 2011, 07:04:15 pm
£130 .00 aday trad = 650 awk
x50 =£32.500 a yr thats a gud wage
 ;D ;D
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Title: Re: average days takings
Post by: cozy on May 14, 2011, 07:08:27 pm
Can't remember Steph, got annoyed about summat, I'll try and remember and have a pop at someone later. ;D ;D
Title: Re: average days takings
Post by: H S and Son on May 14, 2011, 07:08:39 pm
£130 .00 aday trad = 650 awk
x50 =£32.500 a yr thats a gud wage
 ;D ;D

No-one works 50 weeks, 250 days a year.
Title: Re: average days takings
Post by: Gav Camm lammy 283 on May 14, 2011, 07:19:43 pm
i do and always have done
simples  ;D
Title: Re: average days takings
Post by: Dean Taberner on May 14, 2011, 07:53:58 pm
£130 .00 aday trad = 650 awk
x50 =£32.500 a yr thats a gud wage
 ;D ;D

No-one works 50 weeks, 250 days a year.

As a dare i say "company" we operate 52 weeks a year and only close for xmas day, boxing day and new years day.

Dean
Title: Re: average days takings
Post by: H S and Son on May 14, 2011, 09:31:20 pm
Most companies operate in that manner Dean, however no single individual works those hours in any year. Does it really need to be expanded on for the point to be made?
Title: Re: average days takings
Post by: Lee GLS on May 14, 2011, 10:07:23 pm

post a vid of you using your super duper pole on an average house, and I'll post a vid of me using a Harris pole, and then we can see the difference.... Put up or shut up!!!!  ;)


ok, i have alot of 3 story town houses to clean, i will video them, can you film youself cleaning the same sort of house, if not then i have some commercial work coming up too, i will film that.  ;)
.
I dont clean many average houses, if i was to use a harris pole i would constantly have to keep swapping it to get a bigger pole out, you are very limited with what you can do with one of them.
Title: Re: average days takings
Post by: groundhog on May 14, 2011, 11:59:02 pm
Go for it then, I clean town houses with a Harris pole all the time... nobody has yet taken up the challenge, so I'll believe it when I see it!!.. I guess they don't want to be shown up by a £15 pole!!  ;D

I have plenty of commercial work also, most of it is no problem at all for my trusty Harris pole.. £15 well spent  ;)
Title: Re: average days takings
Post by: H S and Son on May 15, 2011, 12:13:27 am
http://robinson-solutions.blogspot.com/2008/06/painter-poles-become-water-fed-poles.html?showComment=1305392988068#c7594279399641072191
Title: Re: average days takings
Post by: ♠Winp®oClean♠ on May 15, 2011, 12:21:45 am
http://robinson-solutions.blogspot.com/2008/06/painter-poles-become-water-fed-poles.html?showComment=1305392988068#c7594279399641072191

 ;D ;D ;D ;D

That's just reminded me why I don't use 'em! ;D ;D
Title: Re: average days takings
Post by: groundhog on May 15, 2011, 12:22:14 am
I posted the link earlier Matt, but thanks anyway!!  :)
Title: Re: average days takings
Post by: groundhog on May 15, 2011, 12:24:35 am
http://robinson-solutions.blogspot.com/2008/06/painter-poles-become-water-fed-poles.html?showComment=1305392988068#c7594279399641072191

 ;D ;D ;D ;D

That's just reminded me why I don't use 'em! ;D ;D

Take up the challenge then and post a vid of you using your expensive pole, cleaning a similar property, so we can see why its so much better!!  ;)
Title: Re: average days takings
Post by: SB Cleaning on May 15, 2011, 08:50:02 am
http://robinson-solutions.blogspot.com/2008/06/painter-poles-become-water-fed-poles.html?showComment=1305392988068#c7594279399641072191

 ;D ;D ;D ;D

That's just reminded me why I don't use 'em! ;D ;D
Now thats what i call SPLISH-SPLASH-AND DASH!! ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: average days takings
Post by: Paul Coleman on May 15, 2011, 09:03:24 am
- about £10 a day  ;D

Sounds funny now but in the mid 70s, £10 a day was top dollar for a builder's labourer.  That was just before the time when prices tripled in about 7 years.  When they talk about inflation being 4 - 5% per annum these days I sometimes wonder what the problem is.  However, 4 - 5% is too high - it's just relative though.
Title: Re: average days takings
Post by: Paul Coleman on May 15, 2011, 09:07:24 am
Average is a lot different from maximum.

Look at what you took (turnover - one man) over the last twelve months and divide by 52 to get a true average figure per week. Divide by 5 for a full timer for day rate.

I reckon the chart for full timers would look like this for many of us.

Trad turnover - one man

less than £15K - you're a part timer me old son.
£15000 - £20000   60%
£20000 - £25000   30%
£25000 - £30000     8%
£30K plus               2%

Wfp

£20000 - £25000   60%
£25000 - £30000   25%
£30000 - £35000   10%
£35000 - £40000     3%
£40K plus               2%

Roy Harding £100,000!  ;D    


Thanks for that Malc.
It's easy to do myself down but if your figures are accurate (and they probably are thereabouts), it's nice to know that, at 54, I am managing what 90%+ of other sole trader window cleaners aren't managing.  That Roy Harding fella.  Does he play for Manchester United?
Title: Re: average days takings
Post by: Paul Golding on May 15, 2011, 09:47:55 am
why not just post the yearly earnings if there's so many arguments. I know what mine is and I'm happy with it. it's not an average, a top day or a prediction, it's what I actually earn't for the whole year. I also take into mind how many days a week it takes me. I'm pretty chuffed with my work at the moment.

As for canvassing, at some point most people will need a window cleaner (just moved house, lost their cleaner, 1st house etc) but unless you're fortunate and the one time you canvass is exactly when they need you then you will get times where you don't get any work.

Thing is to KEEP canvassing. talk to people. make a note of those that are out and try them at a different time. Be organised. keep going. Then go back over it a few months down the line. You'll get there.

Remember, a £10 house done every 4 weeks = £130 a year of work. So mentally, that's what your canvassing is slowly achieving, a regular yearly earning.

also, look at extra profits from existing customers. You've got a ladder, so why not let them know with a leaflet that you can clean frames, facias, gutters etc.

believe me, sometimes they don't think of asking you !!

What about conservatory roofs etc? if you can't do them yourself then do you know someone with a wfp that would do it? price it up and add on a little something for yourself.

Also, why not ask customers to recommend you. Offer an incentive. They've all got friends. If you do a good job they will recommend you.

I picked up a job from the hairdresser cutting my customer's hair the other day.

hope you sort things  ;D



Title: Re: average days takings
Post by: EandM on May 15, 2011, 01:29:45 pm
As a relative newcomer to CIU I wondered how it's possible for a thread about average days takings to become a battle of words over who has the best pole?
Title: Re: average days takings
Post by: cozy on May 15, 2011, 01:32:09 pm
As a relative newcomer to CIU I wondered how it's possible for a thread about average days takings to become a battle of words over who has the best pole?

That's forums for ya mate. You need to read the ones about why Trad is rubbish or the ones about "How do I clean insides" etc. Laugh a minute here.
Title: Re: average days takings
Post by: groundhog on May 15, 2011, 01:33:09 pm
As a relative newcomer to CIU I wondered how it's possible for a thread about average days takings to become a battle of words over who has the best pole?

I guess its just more fun!!!!!!!!  ;D
Title: Re: average days takings
Post by: Klean07 on May 15, 2011, 01:37:48 pm
Back to topic now. £130 A DAY  = £650 per week. Sounds great!!!
Title: Re: average days takings
Post by: cozy on May 15, 2011, 01:40:23 pm
 ;D ;D ;D Here we go  ;D ;D ;D

"No it's not, I wouldn't get out of the bath for a wee for that money" etc etc. ;D
Title: Re: average days takings
Post by: cozy on May 15, 2011, 01:42:14 pm
"I earned more than that when I ran an old push bike and only had a dirty T_shirt to polish windows with"

Forgot that one  8)
Title: Re: average days takings
Post by: Klean07 on May 15, 2011, 01:47:07 pm
Back to topic now. £130 A DAY  = £650 per week. Sounds great!!!
I was making a comment. Nothing there to state how much I earn!!!!!
Title: Re: average days takings
Post by: cozy on May 15, 2011, 01:48:21 pm
Back to topic now. £130 A DAY  = £650 per week. Sounds great!!!
I was making a comment. Nothing there to state how much I earn!!!!!
;D ;D ;D

Sorry mate, didn't mean you, I meant that's the comments we are going to get now.  8)
Title: Re: average days takings
Post by: Klean07 on May 15, 2011, 01:50:43 pm
Let you off this time then 8)
Title: Re: average days takings
Post by: cozy on May 15, 2011, 01:52:30 pm
 ;D ;D ;D Phew, that was close!!!  ;D ;D ;D was going to cancel the post office savings account and move to Tunisia to hide just then.!! ;D ;D
Title: Re: average days takings
Post by: Roy Harding on May 16, 2011, 08:23:13 am
Average is a lot different from maximum.

Look at what you took (turnover - one man) over the last twelve months and divide by 52 to get a true average figure per week. Divide by 5 for a full timer for day rate.

I reckon the chart for full timers would look like this for many of us.

Trad turnover - one man

less than £15K - you're a part timer me old son.
£15000 - £20000   60%
£20000 - £25000   30%
£25000 - £30000     8%
£30K plus               2%

Wfp

£20000 - £25000   60%
£25000 - £30000   25%
£30000 - £35000   10%
£35000 - £40000     3%
£40K plus               2%

Roy Harding £100,000!  ;D    


 ;D ;D

I work 3 days a week now not one  ;D

Roy
Title: Re: average days takings
Post by: David lyddon on May 16, 2011, 09:15:33 pm
Guys hope you are declaring all this money,I could work for the revenue.
THINK ABOUT IT. ;D
Title: Re: average days takings
Post by: cozy on May 16, 2011, 09:21:06 pm
Guys hope you are declaring all this money,I could work for the revenue.
THINK ABOUT IT. ;D
Yes, I bet HMCR would join a windy forum to catch you all. Some people think joe public reads everything on here too.

About 200 members on here get caught every year by the tax man. ;)
Title: Re: average days takings
Post by: Paddy Woods on May 16, 2011, 09:21:24 pm
Yes David
but some of the figures inc cash which tax excempt ? isn't it  ???
Title: Re: average days takings
Post by: cozy on May 16, 2011, 09:23:01 pm
What comics have you been reading!!!?? Cash is tax exempt?? You need to get an accountant mate, tell him that  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: average days takings
Post by: Paddy Woods on May 16, 2011, 09:46:36 pm
Someone was saying that the coins r not taxable ?
Title: Re: average days takings
Post by: cozy on May 16, 2011, 09:48:34 pm
Someone was saying that the coins r not taxable ?

Great, get a business like a chip shop or any shop and only take coins!!! Think about it...... Take all your money and change it at the bank to coins and claim that's how you get paid!!!

Get a job and have the boss pay you in coins. Come on mate. ???
Title: Re: average days takings
Post by: cozy on May 16, 2011, 09:49:53 pm
Better still, get paid in onions, they can't tax you on onions mate.
Title: Re: average days takings
Post by: Pope vader on May 16, 2011, 09:51:03 pm
actually the rule is, if you get paid in cash and get it in your pocket with in 30 seconds then its not taxable,  dont believe me look here

www.hmrc.com/iamgoingtojailfortaxfraud
Title: Re: average days takings
Post by: cozy on May 16, 2011, 09:52:26 pm
 ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: average days takings
Post by: mci services on May 16, 2011, 09:52:44 pm
actually the rule is, if you get paid in cash and get it in your pocket with in 30 seconds then its not taxable,  dont believe me look here

www.hmrc.com/iamgoingtojailfortaxfraud
;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: average days takings
Post by: Pope vader on May 16, 2011, 09:58:33 pm
the thing with the tax man is,  he expects you to try and rip him off,  just dont do it stupid,  dont claim to be making 200 a week with a brand new van on drive and 10 grand ionics system sat in,   living like a king,  as he will rip you apart to try and find something,   he can only go off the info you give him,  if you ge ta lot of cash, dont put it in the bank,   only put some some got this down in a diary, so your accounts are easy to do
Title: Re: average days takings
Post by: Paddy Woods on May 16, 2011, 10:02:35 pm
honesty is best policy Jacob  :D
Title: Re: average days takings
Post by: Dave66 on May 16, 2011, 10:51:43 pm
£60 a day  ;)