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Title: new combo juddering at low revs
Post by: richywilts on April 28, 2011, 09:50:31 pm
bought new combo today 56 plate 12 months tax n mot 52,000 miles for 2,500quid  nice little motor bar small problem of juddering at low revs usually round 2,000 had couple of mechanics look at it n think its prob the fuel filter needs replacing.

fingers crossed anyone else experience similar problems
Title: Re: new combo juddering at low revs
Post by: Alistair@AWC on April 28, 2011, 09:51:23 pm
Its probably been down a manhole cover!
Title: Re: new combo juddering at low revs
Post by: bobplum on April 28, 2011, 10:25:58 pm
Its probably been down a manhole cover!

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Title: Re: new combo juddering at low revs
Post by: NJWindowCleaning on April 28, 2011, 10:28:00 pm
Could be fuel filter and if it is a diesel just have a look at the fuel pipe coming into the diesel pump as there should be a clear pipe to see if air is either coming into the pump and if it isnt but might be a pump seal. Hope this might help.  :) :)
Title: Re: new combo juddering at low revs
Post by: Dean Taberner on April 28, 2011, 10:32:56 pm
Richy,

I had the same prob with my 05 plate combo before it got written off,

It was the air filter.

Cheers mate,

Dean.
Title: Re: new combo juddering at low revs
Post by: richywilts on April 28, 2011, 10:54:19 pm
cheers dean yeah the mechanics said itd be fuel or air filter when i was buying it
Title: Re: new combo juddering at low revs
Post by: BORBRYCE on April 28, 2011, 10:58:51 pm
My combo has done this from day one. Changed filters and had a diagnostic check, all clear so I still don't know what actually causes it. I have learned to live with it though and now it never bothers me. When I drive my Combo my driving style just changes to suit the juddering, usually by using neutral when ever I get the judders. It's really no big deal anymore now that I know how to handle it.
Title: Re: new combo juddering at low revs
Post by: LWC on April 28, 2011, 11:01:40 pm
Is there any engine management lights on dash?
Title: Re: new combo juddering at low revs
Post by: LWC on April 28, 2011, 11:02:48 pm
And you please with it? Im seriously thinking bout getting one. I need better mpg!
Title: Re: new combo juddering at low revs
Post by: richywilts on April 28, 2011, 11:08:44 pm
im very pleased with to be honest drives spot on to be fair bar this juddering n fingers crossed its just something minor
Title: Re: new combo juddering at low revs
Post by: boldy1304 on April 29, 2011, 08:16:04 am
mine did it the entire time i owned it and so dos my missis vectra thats had every thing done including plugged into computer and updates to the ecu still dos it you get use to it ???
Title: Re: new combo juddering at low revs
Post by: LWC on April 29, 2011, 09:39:17 am
My vectra does it come to mention it, i believe its the egr valve. Is the engine management light on? Or emissions light?
Title: Re: new combo juddering at low revs
Post by: bobby p on April 29, 2011, 10:01:43 am
i was thinking a getting a Combo, may not now.     its a shame and a mystery why  the japs/koreans arent making that size of van as they make good stuff  as a rule
Title: Re: new combo juddering at low revs
Post by: LWC on April 29, 2011, 10:24:13 am
Wouldnt let a little thing worry you like that bud.
Title: Re: new combo juddering at low revs
Post by: bobby p on April 29, 2011, 10:28:31 am
im using an old Partner at the mo, its slow ,heavy steering too //  but was thinking the Combo 1.3 would be better on fuel  and nippier . this is for trad .  but i dont like hearing tales of faults that sour the experience
Title: Re: new combo juddering at low revs
Post by: LWC on April 29, 2011, 10:45:05 am
You hear something about ANY car/van. Every time i mention getting a new car people grit air through teeth "YOU DONT WANT ONE OF THEM"

Well every time ive gone and got one its been fine. People told me not to touch a vivaro but mine was amazing.

Title: Re: new combo juddering at low revs
Post by: GB Window Cleaning on April 29, 2011, 10:45:52 am
Is there any ?

ive got a combo with engine management lights on dash  :) doesnt seem to affect anything though  ???

oh except for for revs drop for a split second with the light comes on! any ideas?
Title: Re: new combo juddering at low revs
Post by: richywilts on April 29, 2011, 02:26:51 pm
it has no engine management lights on but to be fair im really impressed nice n nippy enuf just took it out on the motorway and its smoother than my 07 plate volvo at 90 it is due a service so hopefully nice new air n fuel filter may do the trick
Title: Re: new combo juddering at low revs
Post by: LWC on April 29, 2011, 02:32:36 pm
You can check for any fault codes with the pedals.

Press down acc and brake, put key in, turn onto second click, the one where all the lights come on, look at the spanner light, it will start flashing, if it flashes and doesnt stop there are no fault codes, if it flashes 10 times this means 0.

So for example I had a fault code a while ago which was 0141 to get that the spanner flashed ten times, then stopped for 2 sec, flashed once, stopped flashed four times, again stopped for another two seconds then flashed once again...

I got mine off my vectra by doing this  ;)
Title: Re: new combo juddering at low revs
Post by: dave0123 on April 29, 2011, 02:58:25 pm
that only works with the vectra and only on some!! as it doesn't work with my veccy
Title: Re: new combo juddering at low revs
Post by: LWC on April 29, 2011, 02:59:50 pm
I found that on a corsa c forum so it should do, try it
Title: Re: new combo juddering at low revs
Post by: dave0123 on April 29, 2011, 03:03:07 pm
Well i have vectra personal car and it doesn't work on that,  i was told its only certain engines but no harm trying
Title: Re: new combo juddering at low revs
Post by: LWC on April 29, 2011, 03:50:22 pm
What year is yours? Theres other ways of doing this i believe
Title: Re: new combo juddering at low revs
Post by: Tom White on April 30, 2011, 12:22:57 am
I was talking to a neighbour today and she had a citroen car that 'juddered'.  After loads of fannying about with it, she was told that the 'judder' was a characteristic of the engine and that there was nowt wrong with it.
Title: Re: new combo juddering at low revs
Post by: Spruce on April 30, 2011, 07:28:11 am
I was talking to a neighbour today and she had a citroen car that 'juddered'.  After loads of fannying about with it, she was told that the 'judder' was a characteristic of the engine and that there was nowt wrong with it.


Hi Tosh,

I was just going to say something similar.
We have a 110hp Citroen Xsara Desire as our family car and that judders at low speed. My son has the 110 LX as did my nephew and they all did the same thing. The 90hp engine was very smooth to drive though.

When I worked for Citroen years back, the 110hp engines were quick but the 90hp engines, albeit slower in acceleration, where nicer to drive.
Never did get an explanation as to why the difference was. The 110 was an intercooled engine (the 90 wasn't), but that in itself doesn't give 20hp. It is probably more to do with the ecu engine management electronic programming, turbo boost and/or slightly higher gear ratios.

We have a rule when driving this car, 20mph = 2nd, 30 mph = 3rd, 40mph = 4th and above 50mph = 5th.

My 90hp Citroen Relay Hdi van's engine is very smooth.

I also had experience with a 1.9 diesel Vectra and my feelings were that the gear ratios where all wrong for the engine's power curve (although I am sure Vauxhall know more about this than I do), so this could be a similar thing. I would try to use a lower gear than the one you use now at the speed when you experience the judder.

When I drive the Xsara I'm also inclined to kick the car into neutral and coast, usually when come to a set of traffic lights.

Spruce
Title: Re: new combo juddering at low revs
Post by: bobby p on April 30, 2011, 07:34:32 am
uncle of mine took to coasting in neutral AND switching the engine off as a fuel saver idea ,but when he switched it back on the fuel had pumped into his exhaust and BANG ,clean blew his exhaust pipe off  ::)
Title: Re: new combo juddering at low revs
Post by: Spruce on April 30, 2011, 07:41:35 am
im using an old Partner at the mo, its slow ,heavy steering too //  but was thinking the Combo 1.3 would be better on fuel  and nippier . this is for trad .  but i dont like hearing tales of faults that sour the experience

If you are buying second hand, always insist on a long test drive, get the engine warm and drive it in stop start traffic. If you have really settled in on a van then dropping by a garage and putting a couple of quid of fuel in the tank yourself is a consideration, especially if the excuse is that we can't go too far as there isn't much fuel in the tank. (You can negotiate a price later that will pay for that fuel) The salesman will have an easy route to take you on that's quick, convenient (for him) and traffic free - great test drive to wet your desire but with little long term benefit.

If you have an old Partner that doesn't have power steering, (optional extra with the very early models) then put a little more air pressure in the front tyres. (Not the ideal solution - but does help)

Spruce
Title: Re: new combo juddering at low revs
Post by: Spruce on April 30, 2011, 07:46:28 am
uncle of mine took to coasting in neutral AND switching the engine off as a fuel saver idea ,but when he switched it back on the fuel had pumped into his exhaust and BANG ,clean blew his exhaust pipe off  ::)

I never switch off the engine, the main reason being is you loose brake boost very quickly and there is the chance that the steering lock could activate.
Title: Re: new combo juddering at low revs
Post by: bobby p on April 30, 2011, 08:29:08 am


If you have an old Partner that doesn't have power steering, (optional extra with the very early models) then put a little more air pressure in the front tyres. (Not the ideal solution - but does help)

Spruce
[/quote] i will give that a go Spru .   i was a mechanic for 21 yrs myself but suprising what you forget once the spanners have been put away
Title: Re: new combo juddering at low revs
Post by: Johnny B on April 30, 2011, 05:16:18 pm
I had this problem with my Fiesta (1753cc Diesel). It was like riding a demented kangaroo.

A full service including changing the air, and fuel filters cured it.

John.
Title: Re: new combo juddering at low revs
Post by: weetot on April 30, 2011, 07:18:09 pm
I had a combo for a couple of years, then had to replace the gear linkage, as apparently its a common fault on them!
Sorry Ritchie, that hasnt helped your problem at all.