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Title: The perfect domestic pole
Post by: steve123 on April 28, 2011, 03:57:22 pm
Does it exist?

i am looking for a Lightweight, strong, durable pole.
I want it to be around 17'-18' for general work but with the ability to have sections added (easily) to take it to about 26'-27' for 3 storey work.

I would prefer to add the extra length rather than work with a longer pole or carry 2 poles.

Does such a pole exist? if not what is the closest option. Oh yeh I forgot to add, it needs to be as cheap as possible  :)
Title: Re: The perfect domestic pole
Post by: ♠Winp®oClean♠ on April 28, 2011, 04:42:18 pm
SLX 30ft. Take a couple of sections off & buy a butt cap for the section which is left. ;)

Don't handicap yourself with a heavy, bendy pole which may be cheaper to buy!
Title: Re: The perfect domestic pole
Post by: Nick Wareham on April 28, 2011, 04:46:04 pm
I have a 28ft grafter pole, you could use this sort of pole like you are saying.

It is in 6 sections, but you could remove 2 of the sections to make it about an 18ft, and just slide them others on when needed.  You would probably need to put a rubber end cap on the bottom.

I paid £203 for this pole and imo its a good pole, folds down nice and small.

When I bought it, it was a toss up between this and an extel pole which was about the same price.  I'm not sure if you can remove individual sections on the extel though.
Title: Re: The perfect domestic pole
Post by: Scrimble on April 28, 2011, 06:22:47 pm
i use a slx18 and a slx30
Title: Re: The perfect domestic pole
Post by: Tom White on April 28, 2011, 06:24:05 pm
SLX 18!

I have a CLX 27 for higher work.

Work for me.
Title: Re: The perfect domestic pole
Post by: dazmond on April 28, 2011, 06:37:34 pm
25ft SLX with aqua-daptor and supalite brush.itll cost you around £400-00 but itll be worth it! i  use it for everything.domestic/commercial and 3 story work and ground floor windows.

dont buy cheap fibre glass poles as you run the risk of damaging your shoulder muscles or another serious injury if you use poles day in/day out.

make your working day as easy as possible mate.

dazmond
Title: Re: The perfect domestic pole
Post by: Tom White on April 28, 2011, 06:39:52 pm
I didn't like the aqua-daptor.  It's heavy, it spoilt the superlight, and I prefer working with an external hose.  With good quality hose (not the stuff that comes with a Gardiner pole) it's easy to nip the pole hose and it cuts off the water supply no problem at all.

Why pay £60 when you can just nip the hose and you haven't got that brick on the end of your pole?
Title: Re: The perfect domestic pole
Post by: dazmond on April 28, 2011, 07:09:05 pm
what you doing with yours now then tosh?ive got used to mine now.great not to have the loop at the end of pole.tried pinching the hose but found that even more of a pain than the loop! ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: The perfect domestic pole
Post by: Tom White on April 28, 2011, 07:14:06 pm
what you doing with yours now then tosh?ive got used to mine now.great not to have the loop at the end of pole.tried pinching the hose but found that even more of a pain than the loop! ;D ;D ;D

If you're working with an internal pole hose, then pinching the hose will be a pain; it needs to be external and you can grab any handy bit of it.  Also, that yellow pole hose that comes with a superlight is naff; it won't stop the flow.  The red pole hose from the aquadapter is good stuff.  That pinches and stops the flow.

Maybe it takes a little practise, but it's better.  

I also like the way I can remove the brush head and just work with that where space is tight.

It's also easier to extend and lower the pole with external hose.

And it doesn't flap about.  You just hold the hose and the pole.
Title: Re: The perfect domestic pole
Post by: steve123 on April 29, 2011, 09:27:19 am
Thanks guys, some useful info although difficult to follow up as it seems the suppliers cant supply  ???

No Grafters in stock
No Clx's in stock
No Slx's in stock

No firm dates for delivery.

How do these people stay in business?
Title: Re: The perfect domestic pole
Post by: Jeff Brimble on April 29, 2011, 10:04:16 am
21ft £85 and 24ft £99 Ninjas telescopic in stock.
Title: Re: The perfect domestic pole
Post by: steve123 on April 29, 2011, 10:08:13 am
21ft £85 and 24ft £99 Ninjas telescopic in stock.
Thanks Jeff,

Who makes those?
Title: Re: The perfect domestic pole
Post by: Jeff Brimble on April 29, 2011, 10:14:57 am
Me  ;)  jeff.brimble@onetel.com
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UfTELpHyYaM&feature=player_embedded
Title: Re: The perfect domestic pole
Post by: steve123 on April 29, 2011, 10:22:42 am
I like the look of those Jeff, am i right in thinking they are an adapted pole from fishing?
The thing I have always wondered with those is does each section need to be either fully in or fully extended or can you part extend like a telescopic?

I am not sure how they clamp, do you have a video showing it in more detail?

Title: Re: The perfect domestic pole
Post by: Gardiner Admin on April 29, 2011, 10:31:00 am
Thanks guys, some useful info although difficult to follow up as it seems the suppliers cant supply  ???

No Grafters in stock
No Clx's in stock
No Slx's in stock

No firm dates for delivery.

How do these people stay in business?

Hi Steve

It is frustrating when products are out of stock, however there are CLX & SLX poles currently in stock:

CLX4, CLX14, CLX22 & CLX27 - All in stock
SLX18 - In stock

We will have the following sizes back in stock end of next week:

SLX22 & SLX30


Please note this post is purely to provide accurate information, (ie. not all CLX & SLX poles are out of stock) and is not intended to advertise, promote or imply that our products are superior or should be bought in preference to any other product on the market.
Title: Re: The perfect domestic pole
Post by: LWC on April 29, 2011, 10:36:36 am
Gotta say durable, light and cheap = harris pole and you can add sections to it. Jouk said section 4 i think it was of xtel pole fits, so you could buy sections 4 & 5 and have them to hand to slide on. Those sections are only about £20 i believe so for under £50 odd youd get what your looking for.

£15 for pole, takes minutes to make it up.

My opinion.
Title: Re: The perfect domestic pole
Post by: Jeff Brimble on April 29, 2011, 10:37:12 am
I like the look of those Jeff, am i right in thinking they are an adapted pole from fishing?
The thing I have always wondered with those is does each section need to be either fully in or fully extended or can you part extend like a telescopic?

I am not sure how they clamp, do you have a video showing it in more detail?
Not fishing - kite poles, lots of them about but the Ninja stays up better than most. 4ft extensions but its possible to hold the last "joint" anywhere. Its a tough belt and braces pole, non conducting and clean to use.
Sensai is spot on.
Title: Re: The perfect domestic pole
Post by: taylored on April 29, 2011, 12:08:04 pm
where is the best place to buy xtel 4 and 5? how high have you had the harris too? need to make a gutter pole ???
Title: Re: The perfect domestic pole
Post by: steve123 on April 29, 2011, 12:38:43 pm
Thanks guys, some useful info although difficult to follow up as it seems the suppliers cant supply  ???

No Grafters in stock
No Clx's in stock
No Slx's in stock

No firm dates for delivery.

How do these people stay in business?

Hi Steve

It is frustrating when products are out of stock, however there are CLX & SLX poles currently in stock:

CLX4, CLX14, CLX22 & CLX27 - All in stock
SLX18 - In stock

We will have the following sizes back in stock end of next week:

SLX22 & SLX30


Please note this post is purely to provide accurate information, (ie. not all CLX & SLX poles are out of stock) and is not intended to advertise, promote or imply that our products are superior or should be bought in preference to any other product on the market.

Thanks Alex,
i guess i generalised a bit which was unfair. i looked on your site and the size of poles i am interested in appeared to be out of stock and no notice on there to say when there would be any.
Thanks for the information.
i now seem to have so many options its as bad as when i had none.   ;D
Title: Re: The perfect domestic pole
Post by: Nick Wareham on April 29, 2011, 01:04:02 pm
Quote
Please note this post is purely to provide accurate information, (ie. not all CLX & SLX poles are out of stock) and is not intended to advertise, promote or imply that our products are superior or should be bought in preference to any other product on the market.

You should add to that:
Although not intended to advertise, you will notice that this post has basically that exact effect, but I'm hoping that by putting this lame sentence at the bottom it will make people less likely to moan about it.  Also, maybe it will distract attention from the fact that once again I'm using CIU like my own personal message board, like I've been told off about before.  One day I will stop basically spamming ciu with messages or i might even (shock horror) pay to advertise like other people do, but until then I'll just passively promote my gear on here for free, while trying to cover it over with ridiculous caveat at the bottom for as long as i can get away with it.
Title: Re: The perfect domestic pole
Post by: David Kent @ KentKleen on April 29, 2011, 01:20:21 pm
Steve IMO you only have one choice. Go with the company that trys its best to keep up with the high demand for its poles, the one that charges realistic prices, delivers on time, and is there to help you when you need it.
I will let you make your own mind up on which one that is.(or you can read up on some of the back posts)
I have used alot of other poles and find theres to be THE BEST value for money. I know of 3 other wfp companies in my town who are all using there poles and wont use any other. I think that speaks for itself.
      
Title: Re: The perfect domestic pole
Post by: Gardiner Admin on April 29, 2011, 01:51:03 pm
Thanks guys, some useful info although difficult to follow up as it seems the suppliers cant supply  ???

No Grafters in stock
No Clx's in stock
No Slx's in stock

No firm dates for delivery.

How do these people stay in business?

Hi Steve

It is frustrating when products are out of stock, however there are CLX & SLX poles currently in stock:

CLX4, CLX14, CLX22 & CLX27 - All in stock
SLX18 - In stock

We will have the following sizes back in stock end of next week:

SLX22 & SLX30


Please note this post is purely to provide accurate information, (ie. not all CLX & SLX poles are out of stock) and is not intended to advertise, promote or imply that our products are superior or should be bought in preference to any other product on the market.

Thanks Alex,
i guess i generalised a bit which was unfair. i looked on your site and the size of poles i am interested in appeared to be out of stock and no notice on there to say when there would be any.
Thanks for the information.
i now seem to have so many options its as bad as when i had none.   ;D


That's OK steve. If you click on the product picture or 'more..' button it will open up a product detail page, which on the left hand side has the 'stock back in' dates. I will not post a link to this page as we do not pay to advertise and if I did it may only cause distress for some other Forum members!

Please note this post is purely to provide information and is not intended to advertise, promote or imply that our products are superior or should be bought in preference to any other product on the market.

Title: Re: The perfect domestic pole
Post by: steve123 on April 29, 2011, 03:20:45 pm
Are the sections of a CLX removable?
Title: Re: The perfect domestic pole
Post by: Gardiner Admin on April 29, 2011, 04:27:23 pm
Are the sections of a CLX removable?

They are removable, although the pole has not been designed specifically for this. To remove a section you would need to (this advice also applies to SLX, SMAX & X-Tel type poles) first of all undo and remove the lever assembly, open the clamp jaws apart and then slide the section out being careful as you slide the joint stop past the open jaws. This will take about 1 minute to carry out. We would also recomend fitting a smaller size end cap to the new 'handle' section.

To re-fit the section simply reverse the process.
Title: Re: The perfect domestic pole
Post by: ♠Winp®oClean♠ on April 29, 2011, 04:39:08 pm
Steve IMO you only have one choice. Go with the company that trys its best to keep up with the high demand for its poles, the one that charges realistic prices, delivers on time, and is there to help you when you need it.
I will let you make your own mind up on which one that is.(or you can read up on some of the back posts)
I have used alot of other poles and find theres to be THE BEST value for money. I know of 3 other wfp companies in my town who are all using there poles and wont use any other. I think that speaks for itself.
      


I'll second that. I've used many poles & can conclude that they are indeed, THE BEST! :D
Title: Re: The perfect domestic pole
Post by: Alex Allen on April 29, 2011, 06:11:09 pm
Quote
Please note this post is purely to provide accurate information, (ie. not all CLX & SLX poles are out of stock) and is not intended to advertise, promote or imply that our products are superior or should be bought in preference to any other product on the market.

You should add to that:
Although not intended to advertise, you will notice that this post has basically that exact effect, but I'm hoping that by putting this lame sentence at the bottom it will make people less likely to moan about it.  Also, maybe it will distract attention from the fact that once again I'm using CIU like my own personal message board, like I've been told off about before.  One day I will stop basically spamming ciu with messages or i might even (shock horror) pay to advertise like other people do, but until then I'll just passively promote my gear on here for free, while trying to cover it over with ridiculous caveat at the bottom for as long as i can get away with it.



i think its got to the point of taking the pi*s out of the customers
not all window cleaners are daft and will see this
its obviouse why gardiners have started posting again
ionics have the lateral clamp and i think make the best quality poles
and you get far better quality lightweight brushes for your money
Title: Re: The perfect domestic pole
Post by: ♠Winp®oClean♠ on April 29, 2011, 06:35:31 pm
Quote
Please note this post is purely to provide accurate information, (ie. not all CLX & SLX poles are out of stock) and is not intended to advertise, promote or imply that our products are superior or should be bought in preference to any other product on the market.

You should add to that:
Although not intended to advertise, you will notice that this post has basically that exact effect, but I'm hoping that by putting this lame sentence at the bottom it will make people less likely to moan about it.  Also, maybe it will distract attention from the fact that once again I'm using CIU like my own personal message board, like I've been told off about before.  One day I will stop basically spamming ciu with messages or i might even (shock horror) pay to advertise like other people do, but until then I'll just passively promote my gear on here for free, while trying to cover it over with ridiculous caveat at the bottom for as long as i can get away with it.



i think its got to the point of taking the pi*s out of the customers
not all window cleaners are daft and will see this
its obviouse why gardiners have started posting again
ionics have the lateral clamp and i think make the best quality poles
and you get far better quality lightweight brushes for your money


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Title: Re: The perfect domestic pole
Post by: dazmond on April 29, 2011, 06:51:59 pm
ive never tried a ionics pole but i probably wont anyway as i dont like the fact they overcharge for lots of equipment that you can get much cheaper elsewhere.

also they only use 25% carbon fibre in the grafter poles that are in the same price range as the gardiners clx.how can they be better when the clx is 50% carbon fibre?

my personal opinion is gardiners make the best poles and have excellent customer service.there are some on here who could learn a lot about how to conduct themselves in business.i also think alex has a passion for designing and bringing to us window cleaners the most user friendly poles in the world as well as making money! ;) ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: The perfect domestic pole
Post by: Gav Camm lammy 283 on April 29, 2011, 07:06:24 pm
well said daz  ;D ;D
Title: Re: The perfect domestic pole
Post by: steve123 on April 29, 2011, 07:34:08 pm
Does anyone remove the sections from a CLX like described above? is it really that simple? if so then it could be the answer to my problem.
I really dont want to buy 2 poles, so am thinking maybe a CLX22, remove the last section for most of my work and put it back on for my 3 story jobs. (is 22 long enough for 3 story work)
Title: Re: The perfect domestic pole
Post by: SherwoodCleaningSe on April 29, 2011, 07:42:23 pm
In response to the original post, the more expensive carbon fibre poles are the way to go. Although they will cost you more the ease of use will make you work a lot faster and there for the pole will help pay for itself.

I'd stick with the gardiners pole range, simple reason being is that they are ahead of the game.  The fact that other companies copy what they do (ie ionics, lateral clamp) is evidense that they are ahead of the rest.

I think an ideal length pole for domestic is 25ft but if you like an even smaller closed length the 22 is nice.

The sections are very easy to remove.

Simon.
Title: Re: The perfect domestic pole
Post by: David Kent @ KentKleen on April 29, 2011, 07:57:57 pm
My father is 61 year old and uses the 22ft clx all day long!!! loves it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Why split a 22 ft pole that weighs 'NOT ALOT' Just use it all day long.
I use a 30ft hxtel all day long weighs alot more than my dads clx. Cant wait for a slx 30.
Title: Re: The perfect domestic pole
Post by: Frankybadboy on April 29, 2011, 08:34:59 pm
My father is 61 year old and uses the 22ft clx all day long!!! loves it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Why split a 22 ft pole that weighs 'NOT ALOT' Just use it all day long.
I use a 30ft hxtel all day long weighs alot more than my dads clx. Cant wait for a slx 30.
is that nce clx you had for the charity dave,hope it was your dads xmas prezzie ;D
Title: Re: The perfect domestic pole
Post by: David Kent @ KentKleen on April 29, 2011, 08:47:43 pm
It is Frank! Thanks again.
And a big thankyou to Alex who supplied a 22 clx instead of the 18 clx . What a guy and company.
1. Donates a pole to be auctioned.
2. Upgrades the pole to my requirements and does not charge a penny more!!!!!
3. Sends out the pole the very day they become live again on his website.

Frank I need to make another donation to your charity is the donation site still running? I think it is only right as I had the pole upgraded for free.

Thanks again to yourself and Alex Gardiner.
Keep up the good work for charity and for the good of wfp window cleaning. 2 top guys
Title: Re: The perfect domestic pole
Post by: Frankybadboy on April 29, 2011, 08:56:11 pm
thanks dave.

i am more than please with what alex did and so greatful for the kind donation.

i didnt want to tell you that he was upgarding it :P :P :P

but thanks anyway dave

still running and me :o
http://uk.virginmoneygiving.com/RichardFranklin

so far 2.7k raised for a good cause
Title: Re: The perfect domestic pole
Post by: Alex Allen on April 30, 2011, 03:05:16 pm
In response to the original post, the more expensive carbon fibre poles are the way to go. Although they will cost you more the ease of use will make you work a lot faster and there for the pole will help pay for itself.

I'd stick with the gardiners pole range, simple reason being is that they are ahead of the game.  The fact that other companies copy what they do (ie ionics, lateral clamp) is evidense that they are ahead of the rest.

I think an ideal length pole for domestic is 25ft but if you like an even smaller closed length the 22 is nice.

The sections are very easy to remove.

Simon.


disagree ionics have caught up
and their new poles are far better quality
the problem you have with gardiners they make and sell cheap stuff
with them going down the road of charging more for poles
the changes are going to have to be big

the original poster also said cheap
so i would recommend jeff's brimble's pole
as for working faster that has far more to do with the brush than the pole
if you want speed go with the aerial brush





Title: Re: The perfect domestic pole
Post by: dave0123 on April 30, 2011, 04:08:52 pm
Quote
as for working faster that has far more to do with the brush than the pole

b******s, still has allot to do with the pole when working with a big heavy pole is either going to knacker you earlier or strain your body reaching awkward windows a light good quality pole will keep you less tired through the day keeping your speed up getting less tired in the afternoon. 
Title: Re: The perfect domestic pole
Post by: Tom White on April 30, 2011, 04:29:47 pm
Quote
as for working faster that has far more to do with the brush than the pole

b******s, still has allot to do with the pole when working with a big heavy pole is either going to knacker you earlier or strain your body reaching awkward windows a light good quality pole will keep you less tired through the day keeping your speed up getting less tired in the afternoon. 

100% agree with Dave.
Title: Re: The perfect domestic pole
Post by: ♠Winp®oClean♠ on April 30, 2011, 04:46:58 pm
In response to the original post, the more expensive carbon fibre poles are the way to go. Although they will cost you more the ease of use will make you work a lot faster and there for the pole will help pay for itself.

I'd stick with the gardiners pole range, simple reason being is that they are ahead of the game.  The fact that other companies copy what they do (ie ionics, lateral clamp) is evidense that they are ahead of the rest.

I think an ideal length pole for domestic is 25ft but if you like an even smaller closed length the 22 is nice.

The sections are very easy to remove.

Simon.


disagree ionics have caught up
and their new poles are far better quality
the problem you have with gardiners they make and sell cheap stuff
with them going down the road of charging more for poles
the changes are going to have to be big

the original poster also said cheap
so i would recommend jeff's brimble's pole
as for working faster that has far more to do with the brush than the pole
if you want speed go with the aerial brush







 ;D ;D ;D ;D

What a numpty! ;D ;D ;D  Ionics caught up? Ha, ha haarrrrrrrrr, they wish!!

I've just sold my Gardiner SL2 to a company using Ionic poles & they can't believe the difference, they're knocking time off jobs left right & centre & aren't absolutely knackered at the end of the day like they were with the Ionic poles! ;)
Title: Re: The perfect domestic pole
Post by: David Kent @ KentKleen on April 30, 2011, 05:50:44 pm
have you used a jeff brimble pole 'Alex the ionics lover' ??
Title: Re: The perfect domestic pole
Post by: advanced on May 01, 2011, 04:34:04 pm
Go for a 25 ft  glass fibre  face lift pole   nice and light  , great clamps very durable , they last for up to 1 half years before the sections start slipping
Title: Re: The perfect domestic pole
Post by: dazmond on May 01, 2011, 04:51:20 pm
DO NOT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCE BUY A 25FT FIBRE GLASS POLE!!!

full carbon if funds allow or a hybrid.

my 20ft fibre glass pole was a waste of money.only used it a few times.i smashed it to bits the other week as it was taking up too much room in my storage space!! ;D ;D ;D

£130 wasted!!its the only money ive wasted on wfp equipment though.
Title: Re: The perfect domestic pole
Post by: David Kent @ KentKleen on May 01, 2011, 07:24:54 pm
Ionic alex are you there???