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Title: Is cash tax free?
Post by: Steven Shoreditch on April 26, 2011, 09:02:58 am
I read somewhere that if you get paid in cash there's no tax to be paid on it, but if you get paid by cheque or bank transfer you do.

Is this right?
Title: Re: Is cash tax free?
Post by: WinTech on April 26, 2011, 09:06:34 am
What planet did that question come from.

Off course its taxable.

Title: Re: Is cash tax free?
Post by: Nick Wareham on April 26, 2011, 11:20:07 am
LOL

I think what whoever said that meant was that cash, while taxable, is also untraceable and so if you were so inclined you could just pocket it and not pay tax on that income, though that is illegal.

What I mean is, if you get paid by cheque, there will be a record of it when you pay it into the bank, and therefore the tax man will have a way of checking on it.  Whereas if you get paid in cash, and then rather than pay that cash into the bank you just use it to buy your shopping etc, then theres no way the tax man can ever know you've had it.

Although having said that, if you get investigated and he looks into your affairs etc and it seems that you have earned like £10 a month or something (because all the rest is in undeclred cash) then obviously he's gonna know somethings up and probably stick you with an estimated bill.

If you're gonna do it, the trick is to be clever about it and put just enough through the books so that it looks ok, while at the same time not driving around in a ferrari.
Title: Re: Is cash tax free?
Post by: Helen on April 26, 2011, 11:39:15 am
I read somewhere that if you get paid in cash there's no tax to be paid on it, but if you get paid by cheque or bank transfer you do.

Is this right?
;D ;D ;D ;D can't get my breath for laughing ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Is cash tax free?
Post by: Lee GLS on April 26, 2011, 11:52:30 am
I think you are all taking this post a little bit to seriously
Title: Re: Is cash tax free?
Post by: Steven Shoreditch on April 26, 2011, 11:53:09 am
LOL

I think what whoever said that meant was that cash, while taxable, is also untraceable and so if you were so inclined you could just pocket it and not pay tax on that income, though that is illegal.

What I mean is, if you get paid by cheque, there will be a record of it when you pay it into the bank, and therefore the tax man will have a way of checking on it.  Whereas if you get paid in cash, and then rather than pay that cash into the bank you just use it to buy your shopping etc, then theres no way the tax man can ever know you've had it.

Although having said that, if you get investigated and he looks into your affairs etc and it seems that you have earned like £10 a month or something (because all the rest is in undeclred cash) then obviously he's gonna know somethings up and probably stick you with an estimated bill.

If you're gonna do it, the trick is to be clever about it and put just enough through the books so that it looks ok, while at the same time not driving around in a ferrari.

Thanks for the advice.  My Ferrari is camouflaged as a camper van, however, so that's not likely to be a problem.
Title: Re: Is cash tax free?
Post by: BORBRYCE on April 26, 2011, 01:05:10 pm
A person with the utmost integrity would pay tax on all their cash earnings. How many of them about though?
I suspect SSWC least of all. ;D
Title: Re: Is cash tax free?
Post by: mlscontractcleaner on April 26, 2011, 01:08:45 pm
I reckon nobody does; apart from me of course; I'm 100% honest ;D
Title: Re: Is cash tax free?
Post by: Steven Shoreditch on April 26, 2011, 01:37:42 pm
A person with the utmost integrity would pay tax on all their cash earnings. How many of them about though?
I suspect SSWC least of all. ;D

I think the way I understood it was that you had to declare everything you earned, but that customs and revenue didn't tax on cash as there's no real paperwork to go with that, whereas with cheques etc there is much more work.
Title: Re: Is cash tax free?
Post by: andyM on April 26, 2011, 03:32:35 pm
What about coins, are they tax free?
Or is it only pound notes that you don't pay tax on?  ???
And what if the customer pays me in Euros? That must be tax free because the money has come from another country.  ;)
I don't mind Euros but I don't want Indian Rupees. Too many of them to the pound and they fill my pockets up.
Title: Re: Is cash tax free?
Post by: Steven Shoreditch on April 26, 2011, 03:41:03 pm
Are you an idiot?
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Title: Re: Is cash tax free?
Post by: Paul Coleman on April 26, 2011, 05:53:04 pm
It's only tax free if it's from a monopoly game.
Title: Re: Is cash tax free?
Post by: Neil Gornall on April 26, 2011, 06:01:15 pm
What about coins, are they tax free?
Or is it only pound notes  that you don't pay tax on?  ???
And what if the customer pays me in Euros? That must be tax free because the money has come from another country.  ;)
I don't mind Euros but I don't want Indian Rupees. Too many of them to the pound and they fill my pockets up.
Which century are you in?   ;D
Title: Re: Is cash tax free?
Post by: tacky on April 26, 2011, 06:11:26 pm
its only tax free .      if you ar on the dole .they ar honest people .they dont have to declare their window cleaning money
Title: Re: Is cash tax free?
Post by: Steven Shoreditch on April 26, 2011, 06:47:14 pm
Thinking outside the box here, what if you got paid in currency from, say, Bolivia - would you have to declare that?
Title: Re: Is cash tax free?
Post by: NJWindowCleaning on April 26, 2011, 07:55:58 pm
Yes everything is taxable Cash, Cheques  and Bank Transfer etc. Your Accountant would ask to see your Receipt Book as you suppose to give a Receipt for payments receive from Domestic Customers as for Invoice this is the proof of income cominng into your business.

Your Cash Book should have Cash In on one side and Payments on the other side so if you brought a sandwich you can prove that you spent a bit of income coming into the business so everything is accountable.  ;) ;) ;D

Title: Re: Is cash tax free?
Post by: andyM on April 26, 2011, 08:11:27 pm
Yes everything is taxable Cash, Cheques  and Bank Transfer etc. Your Accountant would ask to see your Receipt Book as you suppose to give a Receipt for payments receive from Domestic Customers as for Invoice this is the proof of income cominng into your business.

Your Cash Book should have Cash In on one side and Payments on the other side so if you brought a sandwich you can prove that you spent a bit of income coming into the business so everything is accountable.  ;) ;) ;D



So are all sandwiches tax deductable? Or would it depend on whats in it?
I mean I am quite partial to an egg and watercress sandwich but if that was not tax deductable but ham and tomato was I supposse I would have to go for that.  ???
And what about baguettes?
They must be tax deductable like the euros because they aint english are they? 
Title: Re: Is cash tax free?
Post by: NJWindowCleaning on April 26, 2011, 08:34:13 pm
Yes everything is taxable Cash, Cheques  and Bank Transfer etc. Your Accountant would ask to see your Receipt Book as you suppose to give a Receipt for payments receive from Domestic Customers as for Invoice this is the proof of income cominng into your business.

Your Cash Book should have Cash In on one side and Payments on the other side so if you brought a sandwich you can prove that you spent a bit of income coming into the business so everything is accountable.  ;) ;) ;D





So are all sandwiches tax deductable? Or would it depend on whats in it?
I mean I am quite partial to an egg and watercress sandwich but if that was not tax deductable but ham and tomato was I supposse I would have to go for that.  ???
And what about baguettes?
They must be tax deductable like the euros because they aint english are they? 

I was meaning the cash you use to buy the sandwich dope lol and not the sandwich  ;)
Title: Re: Is cash tax free?
Post by: andyM on April 26, 2011, 08:42:54 pm
Yes everything is taxable Cash, Cheques  and Bank Transfer etc. Your Accountant would ask to see your Receipt Book as you suppose to give a Receipt for payments receive from Domestic Customers as for Invoice this is the proof of income cominng into your business.

Your Cash Book should have Cash In on one side and Payments on the other side so if you brought a sandwich you can prove that you spent a bit of income coming into the business so everything is accountable.  ;) ;) ;D

Ok thanks for clarifying that.
But what about baguettes? Or are they a "grey area" where the tax man is concerned?  ???




So are all sandwiches tax deductable? Or would it depend on whats in it?
I mean I am quite partial to an egg and watercress sandwich but if that was not tax deductable but ham and tomato was I supposse I would have to go for that.  ???
And what about baguettes?
They must be tax deductable like the euros because they aint english are they? 

I was meaning the cash you use to buy the sandwich dope lol and not the sandwich  ;)
Title: Re: Is cash tax free?
Post by: christopher b on April 26, 2011, 08:43:14 pm
if you handle a lot of cash you might as well have a HMRC target on your back.
Title: Re: Is cash tax free?
Post by: idealrob on April 26, 2011, 09:57:02 pm
and dont forget HMRC check forums etc and posts, so dont worry when the inspection takes place, thats if another forum member does not pass on your post to HMRC.
A mate of mine who i know is 100% honest, got an investigation by HMRC, they asked hundred of question, even down to how he paid for his lunch.


idealrob
Title: Re: Is cash tax free?
Post by: Londoner on April 27, 2011, 08:16:38 am
Somebody I know, a taxi driver, has had years of misery from the tax man. And it all started from a few small queries.

The only people who don't have to pay tax in this country are people from the EU working here "temporarily" they can elect to pay tax in their own country. Yeah right.......
Title: Re: Is cash tax free?
Post by: Paul Coleman on April 27, 2011, 08:27:36 am
Yes everything is taxable Cash, Cheques  and Bank Transfer etc. Your Accountant would ask to see your Receipt Book as you suppose to give a Receipt for payments receive from Domestic Customers as for Invoice this is the proof of income cominng into your business.

Your Cash Book should have Cash In on one side and Payments on the other side so if you brought a sandwich you can prove that you spent a bit of income coming into the business so everything is accountable.  ;) ;) ;D



Are you sure about that bit about receipts?
I know that receipts/invoices must be given for commercial jobs.  However, I thought receipts for domestic jobs only had to be given if the window cleaner was VAT registered.
Title: Re: Is cash tax free?
Post by: christopher b on April 27, 2011, 08:34:12 pm
By law if a domestic asks for a recept you have to provide one.
you do not need to give every domestic a recept yet you must provide a record.
the best thing to do at end of day produce an invoice made out to "day takings" and on it list every job and charge  then total the lot up. this then goes in your books as a credit.
HMRC would be happy with this.
its just like a till recept in a way, in a shop they do a end of day this places the days total at end of till recept and the roll is basicaly a type of invoice!