Clean It Up
UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: PAIN IN THE GLASS on March 04, 2011, 01:36:35 pm
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I keep reading on posts, They should ban ladders!! Why? And now you have thought about your answer. What will aerial fitters and roofers do then. I know loads off lads in these trade's. Roofers and aerial fitters are going higher up on there ladders than us trad guys.
OR IS THE BAN JUST FOR US TRAD GUYS SO IT GIVES WFP MORE WORK????
Daz mentioned some where about bring a licence scheme in.. So how much would you pay for a licence then. And to bring a licence in you will have to sit a course first so that you can use a ladder properly. How much would they charge for that? And how would you enforce it?
The goverment done this with the sia security licence and after about 7 years they are thinking about doing away with it.
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ladders won't be banned for a long time as wfp is not a replacment for all window cleaning jobs but saying that i now use both wfp and ladder as tools to do my job to the best standards possible. ;D
let the war of words begin ;D ;D ;D
PAIN IN THE GLASS you are a trouble maker ;D :D ;D
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:) ;D ;) ;D :D
I dont think it will ever happen so why do people keep on bleating on about banning ladders then. Its Friday its time for a moan after the week I,ve just had :o
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I use wfp but have no problem using a ladder providing its in a correct and safe manner,I dont forsee any ban on ladders but if they do then I suppose im all for it,im also for the licence route.Something simple to gain one would be a fee along with a valid public liability certificate,thus stopping all the cowboys who nip to B&Q a £60 ladder and a few hand tools and out they go poaching work in the decent weather months.As for the trades like the roofers you mention whats wrong in using a tower or getting the ladder footed,all these regs and guide lines are there to stop the miss use of ladders i.e theyre not secure.
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What gets my goat up is that you read posts about people and friends dying through falling of ladders. We all have sympathy and send our condolences to them. And I know they are highlighting the situation.
But come on guys we dont want to be hearing about this just b4 we go work. All us pro's always do a risk assesment on each visit or do we.
But how would you govern a licence system them? I agree with keeping out the cowboys.
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How would I get to all the crap in my loft? ;D
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my mates a Lollipop Man and he says ladders are bannnnnnnnnnnnnnned ;D
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I use wfp but have no problem using a ladder providing its in a correct and safe manner,I dont forsee any ban on ladders but if they do then I suppose im all for it,im also for the licence route.Something simple to gain one would be a fee along with a valid public liability certificate,thus stopping all the cowboys who nip to B&Q a £60 ladder and a few hand tools and out they go poaching work in the decent weather months.As for the trades like the roofers you mention whats wrong in using a tower or getting the ladder footed,all these regs and guide lines are there to stop the miss use of ladders i.e theyre not secure.
The last thing we need is a licence it would be alots of money down the drain ask any scottish window cleaner they all moan about it on here because they pay for it and there are still people that clean windows without a licence.
i think they need to do a tv show on window cleaning they could call it
MY BIG FAT GYPSY WINDOW CLEANER ;D :D ;D
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I use wfp but have no problem using a ladder providing its in a correct and safe manner,I dont forsee any ban on ladders but if they do then I suppose im all for it,im also for the licence route.Something simple to gain one would be a fee along with a valid public liability certificate,thus stopping all the cowboys who nip to B&Q a £60 ladder and a few hand tools and out they go poaching work in the decent weather months.As for the trades like the roofers you mention whats wrong in using a tower or getting the ladder footed,all these regs and guide lines are there to stop the miss use of ladders i.e theyre not secure.
The last thing we need is a licence it would be alots of money down the drain ask any scottish window cleaner they all moan about it on here because they pay for it and there are still people that clean windows without a licence.
i think they need to do a tv show on window cleaning they could call it
MY BIG FAT GYPSY WINDOW CLEANER ;D :D ;D
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http://www.training43.com/training-courses/ladder-selection.php
Worth a look at guys. Bit of self promotion. But if you feel you want to make yourself feel a bit more safe and not make the wrong decisions then we can offer some help and guidance.
I don't come here to sell the courses, I just let you know they are available.
Any unneccesary comments will be monitered by the forum team.
Jake
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What "Team" is this then? There are moderators, and now a forum team? What's an "unneccesary " comment? Are you one of this "Team" Jake?
I'm not on here all the time, sorry if I'm asking a silly question. By the way, if ladders are banned, it must be a British health & safety law. If I was using WFP, I couldn't give a toss what other WC's were using. It's their neck, not mine.
P.S. Can anyone join this team you're on about? :D
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;D ;D ;D
You gotta be a good boy to be one of them Cozy me old sausage sucker ;D
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Ladders will never be banned, but they have been restricted under law for over 5 years now.
Unfortunately many here prefer to ignore this legislation,.. to make excuses & say it couldn't possibly apply to them. Working trad all day every day is possible within the law, but only in exceptional circumstances & with a great deal of thought & planning.
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http://www.training43.com/training-courses/ladder-selection.php
Worth a look at guys. Bit of self promotion. But if you feel you want to make yourself feel a bit more safe and not make the wrong decisions then we can offer some help and guidance.
I don't come here to sell the courses, I just let you know they are available.
Any unneccesary comments will be monitered by the forum team.
Jake
Jake,
enjoy your self promotion. I don't come on here to buy courses.
Don't give a kippers p if you or the team find this unnecessary.
Lee
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Ladders will never be banned, but they have been restricted under law for over 5 years now.
Unfortunately many here prefer to ignore this legislation,.. to make excuses & say it couldn't possibly apply to them. Working trad all day every day is possible within the law, but only in exceptional circumstances & with a great deal of thought & planning.
Best reply on here for a long time, and i agree 100% with what you are saying. shame most of the time there is no thought or planning, or complying with the law,
idealrob
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At the end of the day , ladders have been used for an age , it doesnt matter how safe you are on them , you can weigh up all the possible what ifs before you get your foot on the first rung , it may be footed by a mate or one of the many devices on the market at the moment but it still does not change the fact that when you are at the top of the ladder 6 foot or even a 60 foot one (if they made them ) you can still fall off the thing , no fault of your own , its called an accident !
Prime example , last week my bro called me , our old man , gettin on a bit , asked my bro to drop the borrowed ladder back so he could clean out his gutters , bro said no you aint going up a ladder at your age (not that age should matter of course ) ;D , give Rich a ring , you know he has the gutter vac .
This he did not do , so bro rang me as a matter of course , as a result i went round same day to do the chore , when i got there i went up my ladder to survey the gutter before getting the gear out , now i have been in the game for 15 years on and off , when i got to the gutter i looked down and immidiately called myself an utter sharp object , ladder not footed , horrendous angle and to top it all my old man has one of those highly laquered imprinted concrete drives , what im trying to say chaps is .....ladders are safe if used in the correct manner , pure accident , loss of concentration , stupidity (in my case) , all play a vital part in the use of ladders they are no more dangerous than a flight of stairs .....and that is coming from a 100% wfp'er ..... another thought just hit me ....the last post i viewed on the subject showed the scene of death , ladder still in position , man sadly not , wonder what the ratio of ladder in position and man sadly not is ?
Just some food for thought guys ...
Rich
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theres quite a few places making ladders,churning them out in factories . having said that although i/we see many ladders behind peoples houses,most look old types ,not recent models
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And i bet every set of them ladders belong to the husband of the wife who said sorry my other half is gonna do them from now on , got his own ladders you know .
I can see him now with the windolene , 18 foot up thinkin "im gettin it tonight "
Then 3 months later she asks you back cos hes not doin em anymore , maybe we should all reply maybe you should take it in the pooper my luv ;D ;D ;D
Bet that bad boy would be on a weekly clean then ;D ;D ;D ;D
Rich
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Aerial fitters and roofers are most definitely breaking the law working off ladders, but who is stopping them? The bloke who used to do our aerial has gone into retirement because of the law but there are still blokes out there fitting aerials.
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I am about 85% wfp, still use ladders for the rest, I can't imagine ladders ever being banned.
What you have to remember we are only up a ladder for a couple of minutes, where roofers, aerial fitters and even painters are up a ladder much longer and they usually tie the ladders of, securing them against slip etc...
Darren
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Aerial fitters and roofers are most definitely breaking the law working off ladders, but who is stopping them? The bloke who used to do our aerial has gone into retirement because of the law but there are still blokes out there fitting aerials.
They just have to work out a system of working within the law, and it wont cost a fortune, and heaper than a month off work, or a £3k fine. Yes the HSE could do more, and should
idealrob
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Any unneccesary comments will be monitered by the forum team.
Jake
Holy f***....... ahem! i mean holy duck! who let stalin in? ::)
from banned zimzam> :o
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Ladders will not be banned.Wfp will be banned - or its use restricted - before ladders are banned. Water will prove to be Wfp's downfall.Its such a waste of something that is getting harder and harder to find around the world.thats why aliens land here and abduct you wfp'ers.its a rare commoditey fresh water.
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