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UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: Pure Glass on March 02, 2011, 02:35:01 pm
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Been looking around today for a new van to house my Pure Freedom 650l system.
All dealers have warned me off Vivaros/Trafic/Primastar pre 56/06 plates so now Im a bit un decided.
Can you have a 650l tank in a 230 Connect?
My budget is around 3-3.5k, but want to make a decent buy coz once the tanks in, I dont really want to be forking out for repairs, gearboxes or new engines.
Suggestions/comments please?
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you will get some on here (slash) will say no, but i have a 650L tank in my 230 connect, the payload is 900kg.
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Cheers Lee, think I remember you posting pickies of your setup.
Whats the econmomy like, how does it run, ok?
Bit gutted as I wanted a bigger van, but if the connect does the job, I might as well save some cash
Steve
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Im really happy with mine, fully loaded they are a little sluggish, but it does pull, but im sure most vans would be like that.
Economy wise is does 30-33mpg, which im quite happy with.
Is your tank an upright or flat tank?
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If you want a bigger van have you considered a SWB Low roof transit?
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Try a Ex bt van, all have low mileage and full service history. I have a friend who is a ford service manager who put me on to them. They have transits all are 300s, stay away from the vauxhall. you wont be able to buy a van older than 5 years old.
http://www.gvcvansdirect.co.uk/ http://www.btfleet.com/sales/cars-commercial-vehicles.aspx. My mate who is not biased and is commercial trained said you need reliability that is what transits deliver. The older ones are complete rust buckets.
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There's nothing wrong with a 650 litre tank in a LWB Connect with a payload at 900kg as long as you don't fill it,its when you start putting alot of other stuff in that adds to the weight and can be easily over loaded with a full tank of 650 litres and reels plus fuel,it all adds up! :o
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i would recommend a 4 year old fiat scudo, my payload is 900kgs so i dont know how a connect could be the same? i would check that out.
also i know if i had anything smaller i would struggle to fit all my equipment in.
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here you go payload for connects
825 kg gross payload (T220), 625 kg (T200)
so even without adding your body weight, reels, poles, ro, spare wheel, fuel, etc, you would be over on one of the models. and on the bigger model youve only got 175kgs to play with
and i know im 20kgs over on my 2 man set up
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650l tank in a 230 connect is gonna be overweight
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one man in a 900kg 230 connect with 650 liters leaves 250kg. how is that over?
i understand the 2nd guy might make it over but if you have a full tank just get the guy to meet you on the 1st job via his own transport make it a big house so you have used 70 liters of water then you are ok.
Dont you guys aggree? its just im gona be gettin a 230.
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Before it all kicks off..........im a one man setup with 650l, three poles, a bit of trad equipment, and a 100m hose reel.
Hope that helps stop any anti/pro Transit connect Lybia like confusion :D
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here you go payload for connects
825 kg gross payload (T220), 625 kg (T200)
so even without adding your body weight, reels, poles, ro, spare wheel, fuel, etc, you would be over on one of the models. and on the bigger model youve only got 175kgs to play with
and i know im 20kgs over on my 2 man set up
There is also a t230 model which has a 900kg payload, people think because the van is small it wont have a very high payload, but it supprising that it does actually have a 900kg payload.
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650l tank in a 230 connect is gonna be overweight
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Do you catch my drift?
;)
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650ltrs of water + tank = 700kg (that's without any cage etc.)
Add to that-
Driver
Poles/brushes
Hose + reel
Ply lining
Fuel
Roof bars
Any trad gear
Ladders/step ladder
Cones/safety signs
RO/DI vessels
Tool box/spares
Basically. anything other than what the van left the factory with in standard form.
It'll be close! ;D
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650ltrs of water + tank = 700kg (that's without any cage etc.)
Add to that-
Driver
Poles/brushes
Hose + reel
Ply lining
Fuel
Roof bars
Any trad gear
Ladders/step ladder
Cones/safety signs
RO/DI vessels
Tool box/spares
Basically. anything other than what the van left the factory with in standard form.
It'll be close! ;D
Payload are there to be used, whats the point of having a 900kg payload and only carrying 1 box in the back ;D
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i concur a t230 is ok
not sure if a 1.8 engine will be though
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i love to see it on a weight bridge. ;)
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650ltrs of water + tank = 700kg (that's without any cage etc.)
Add to that-
Driver
Poles/brushes
Hose + reel
Ply lining
Fuel
Roof bars
Any trad gear
Ladders/step ladder
Cones/safety signs
RO/DI vessels
Tool box/spares
Basically. anything other than what the van left the factory with in standard form.
It'll be close! ;D
Payload are there to be used, whats the point of having a 900kg payload and only carrying 1 box in the back ;D
Oh, & stick some reinforced tyres on the rear! It'll be reyt! ;D
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just found this
models: Will Carry*
SWB 200 Base 1.8TDCi 110PS Low-Roof : 638kg
SWB 200 Base 1.8TDCi 75PS Low-Roof : 648kg
SWB 200 Base 1.8TDCi 90PS Low-Roof : 641kg
SWB 220 Base 1.8TDCi 110PS Low-Roof : 833kg
SWB 220 Base 1.8TDCi 75PS Low-Roof : 843kg
SWB 220 Base 1.8TDCi 90PS Low-Roof : 836kg
*Will Carry is gross (full tank of fuel, oil & fluids, no driver
and for minimum specification
http://www.mylocalvanhire.co.uk/vansize.php
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Transit Connect 230 1.8TDCi LWB 90 L
Engine size (Litres): 1.8 Load Length (mm): 1986 Gross Payload (Kg): 900
Power (HP): 90 Load Width Max (mm): 1490 Gross Vehicle Weight (Kg): 2340
Wheelbase(mm): 3.7 Load Height (mm): 1364 Kerb Weight (Kg): 1440
Overall Lenth(mm): 4555 Loading Height(mm): 1293 Towing Limit (Kg): 800
Overall Width(mm): 1795 Rear Door Width(mm): 1316
Overall Height(mm): 1961 Rear Door Height (mm): 1986
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lee do you have the 90 or the 110 gonna be a lwb connect for me this year just worried the 90 wont be up for it gonna have a 600lt tank in it but will generally only fill it to about 450lt.
paul
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mine is a 90, i dont think the 110 came out until the newest models, it pull ok when its full, its slow, but it still pulls. Some of the transits only have 75bhp and they are bigger and can carry more than the connect, i dont think bhp is everything, its how much torque the engine has.
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650ltrs of water + tank = 700kg (that's without any cage etc.)
Add to that-
Driver
Poles/brushes
Hose + reel
Ply lining
Fuel
Roof bars
Any trad gear
Ladders/step ladder
Cones/safety signs
RO/DI vessels
Tool box/spares
Basically. anything other than what the van left the factory with in standard form.
It'll be close! ;D
Payload are there to be used, whats the point of having a 900kg payload and only carrying 1 box in the back ;D
Oh, & stick some reinforced tyres on the rear! It'll be reyt! ;D
! driver it should be ok
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650l tank in a 230 connect is gonna be overweight
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Do you catch my drift?
;)
ok Lee you complete moron, i'll spell it out for you
650litres of water 650kg
the 650l tank 42kg
50litres of diesel 50kg
2 men in the van at 80kg each 160kg
thats 900kg already not including, battery, ladders, 2 hose reels, poles, frame for the tank etc etc
like i said a t230 connect will be over weight!!!!!
hope you get pulled and done you idiot or can you not count? 1 plus 1 equals 2 and all that??
go on tell me its not going to be overweight
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Right....this is the second time this week Ive started a barney on CIU.....
Think Im going to go for a Transit SWB if anybody's interested.
Thanks for your replies though
Steve
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Think Im going to go for a Transit SWB if anybody's interested.
if you need to carry a 650l tank then that would be a good choice
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allstar 650l
230 connect one man say 80-90kg it wont be over.
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pure glass
i think that swb tranist is only 60-70kg more payload, ive done the maths if you are solo 230 connect does the trick , to be honest i dont wana lug a massive van for domestics , i know when i get a 230 connect and myself inside i wont be over im gona get weighed to be sure thou.
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pure glass
i think that swb tranist is only 60-70kg more payload, ive done the maths if you are solo 230 connect does the trick , to be honest i dont wana lug a massive van for domestics , i know when i get a 230 connect and myself inside i wont be over im gona get weighed to be sure thou.
There is 260 =2.6 ton 280 =2.8 ton 300 =3.0 ton Transit van in the swb version, what that is in kg i don't Know. What i do know is i was in the process of buying my set up, and ionics asked me what van i was thinking of buying which was a connect, and they said no sorry your van will be over weight and our systems over 300Lt's needs to go in a bigger vans.
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I don't think there is any need to call Lee names :(
Steve-C - 2.6 Ton is 2600kg, and a transit will not carry that much, see below; for example if you carry 1000 ltrs of water you would be better off with the 350 MWB, LWB
Payload New Ford Transit
948-1331kg (260 SWB, MWB)
957-1220kg (280 SWB, MWB. LWB)
1252-1420kg (300 SWB, MWB, LWB)
1442-1746kg (330 SWB, MWB, LWB)
1609-1794kg (350 MWB, LWB)
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hated my connect went down from a swb ex bt transit wished to god i hadnt it was worse on fuel than the big van. they are great if you just want to window clean but to small if you have add ons (pressure washing etc) i think its luck of the draw on fuel mine was rubbish and i mean real rubbish but my mates was exellent maybe its because of all the wieght we carry
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the weight will dump loads of fuel.
I have a vivaro. i have an 05 plate. i had a couple of scares where by i thought the clutch had gone but it turned out to be a faulty steering rack so in the 3 years i've had it i have spent about 500 quid on repairs.
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Lets get one thing clear which seems to be causing confousion here. The payload is the cargo weight as published by the manufacturer. It has nothing to do with the driver and passenger weight.
You are confusing it with Max laden weight which is a different thing and doesn't really apply to small vans. You cannot be made to take an unplated (non HGV0 vehicle to a weighbridge.
However the bad news is that if any police officer say that in his opinion a vehicle is overloaded then it is.
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why would you need a 650L TANK if your a one man band?or do you plan on having a helper?
i personally wouldnt put a 650 in a connect!youll hardly have any room for anything else!!
surely driving a van right on the limit weight wise is not good!
when i get a new van ill prob get a connect and a 400L TANK.hi roof model to fit my poles inside.although im very happy with my trolley at the moment.
dazmond
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why would you need a 650L TANK if your a one man band?or do you plan on having a helper?
i personally wouldnt put a 650 in a connect!youll hardly have any room for anything else!!
surely driving a van right on the limit weight wise is not good!
when i get a new van ill prob get a connect and a 400L TANK.hi roof model to fit my poles inside.although im very happy with my trolley at the moment.
dazmond
Dazmond there is virtually no difference in the sizes of the 400 and 650L tanks, the 650L is 20cm wider.
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Lets get one thing clear which seems to be causing confousion here. The payload is the cargo weight as published by the manufacturer. It has nothing to do with the driver and passenger weight.
You are confusing it with Max laden weight which is a different thing and doesn't really apply to small vans. You cannot be made to take an unplated (non HGV0 vehicle to a weighbridge.
However the bad news is that if any police officer say that in his opinion a vehicle is overloaded then it is.
Payload does not normally allow for weight of driver, fuel etc. These are seen as part of payload (probably makes figures look better). I think VW allow a certain amount for weight of driver and fuel but most manufacturers do not.
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Lets get one thing clear which seems to be causing confousion here. The payload is the cargo weight as published by the manufacturer. It has nothing to do with the driver and passenger weight.
You are confusing it with Max laden weight which is a different thing and doesn't really apply to small vans.
are you having a laugh? nothing to do with the passenger or driver weight? max laden weight doesnt apply to small vans?
are you a complete moron??
unladen weight plus the payload equals the max laden weight. it does included drivers passengers any f***ing weight you put in it
i know your a window cleaner but come on this isnt rocket science
this is as it says in the brochure which came in my vauxhall combo van
(http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m248/markberesford/combovan.jpg)
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Boys, boys, boys-lets all calm down and have a cup a tea. 8)
Anyways- going to have a look at an ex bt van tomorrow. 04 plate, 87,000 on the clock, 75hp.
Would the 75hp be ok, or would it be a bit of a slug with 650l tank in?
Dazmond.....looking to expand this year into more of a commercial led route being near London, hence the 650l
Thanks lads
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why would you need a 650L TANK if your a one man band?or do you plan on having a helper?
i personally wouldnt put a 650 in a connect!youll hardly have any room for anything else!!
surely driving a van right on the limit weight wise is not good!
when i get a new van ill prob get a connect and a 400L TANK.hi roof model to fit my poles inside.although im very happy with my trolley at the moment.
dazmond
Dazmond there is virtually no difference in the sizes of the 400 and 650L tanks, the 650L is 20cm wider.
20cm? no difference, tell the wife that
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Boys, boys, boys-lets all calm down and have a cup a tea. 8)
Anyways- going to have a look at an ex bt van tomorrow. 04 plate, 87,000 on the clock, 75hp.
Would the 75hp be ok, or would it be a bit of a slug with 650l tank in?
Dazmond.....looking to expand this year into more of a commercial led route being near London, hence the 650l
Thanks lads
You will be getting out and pushing it up hills with a 650l and the 75bhp model, my mate has one and its SLOW!!!!!
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My apologies its 85hp, extra 10 horses I forgot about ::)
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you will get some on here (slash) will say no, but i have a 650L tank in my 230 connect, the payload is 900kg.
I guess I'm not the only one that disagrees with you,like I say some people have'nt got the sense they were born wth ;D ;D
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although ST1allstar is getting a little irate I have to say I would agree with him.
Don't forget the weight of your leisure battery and the fact that any di vessels and hose reels will be full of water plus any angle iron used to brace the chassis for your mountings if used, plus your bulkhead. Maybe a towbar? Ladders and roofracks will add a fair bit of weight too. :o
Single operator maybe but not two.
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word of warning too for anyone thinking of getting a connect, all the newbies ive seen start off in one, have got a bigger van within 6months! no doubt wasting thousands on it and sign writing!
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I agree with St1allstar about the payload issue but to start calling people IDIOTS and MORONS simply because they have a different opinion is out of order. No wonder some people don't bother to post anymore.
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I agree with St1allstar about the payload issue but to start calling people IDIOTS and MORONS simply because they have a different opinion is out of order. No wonder some people don't bother to post anymore.
You have to make allowances for ST1Allstar, he has certain "issues" that make him a bit touchy. Provided he takes the medication he's OK. Maybe he will reincarnate himself again like Dr Who.