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UK Floor Cleaning Forum => Carpet Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: cannon on February 11, 2011, 02:55:05 pm
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Ive just picked up my first indian restaurant today to do next week.
The previous cleaner shrank the carpets and they had to be re-stretched.
Whats my best course of action with this? The carpets arnt to bad.
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You can bet your life they are Belgian Wilton. Indian Restaurants are full of them, as they like their heavily patterned design and cheap cost, be careful, could happen again.
By the way make sure the guy supplying your work is not taking you for a ride. There are people out there who offer this type of Commercial work, and target new Carpet Cleaning start ups. They get a load of work done on the cheap, but as soon as you realise you are not getting enough for the very hard work and try to get more, they desert you and find someone else.
Dave.
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As dave just posted re belgium wilton and hes prob spot on.
The last one i did i used a l m system and spotter machine on the walkway near the kitchen as it wasnt really bad.
I had to use carpet glue in some parts as it had shrunk from the previous cleaner..
Also had turbo dryers going just to make sure ;D
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Yeah im thinking this is perfect job for my first bonnet clean.
Its not to bad at all, just walkway and general grubbyness and bits of candle wax here and there.
I have no experience of a shrinking carpet and dont intend having one now so i am aprehensive.
How much moisture do these take? im sure ive read someone had one go just off pre-spray, surely you would have to apply alot of prespay for them to shrink or does the very sight of a sprayer have them popping off there grippers ;D
How quickly do they go?
How does this sound?
Secure around edge with something- nails through a card, carpet glue if needed
thorough pre-vac
pre-spray, aggitate and bonnet small areas at a time and get dryer on.
would not cleaning right up to the walls and leaving a few inches help?
Sorry lots of questions and thanks for the replys
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Recently, I did a BW in a lounge.
Pre warned owner.
Ok go ahead,
Anyway, as I am pre spraying, she pops up and tells me her and a friend had used a rug doctor,
So..... I nuked it.
No problems.
Not suggesting you do the restaurant like that.
Might be worth putting a few carpet tacks around edges?
Mr B
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Nuke it, plenty vaccum passes and speed dry, price the cost of a fitter into the quote incase it does need re-stretching
Mark
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I usually find the dirt is were the seats next to the wall are worse as sometimes they dont get vacced by the owners so dirt builds up..
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1. Bloody good vac
2. Pre spray with Enzyme based pre spray Power burst (hot)
3. Machanical Agitation
4. Mist a bit more pre spray
5. HWE personally I would add an extraction detergent
6. Get turbos on as you work
If an area won't come up to your liking let it dry before repeating the process on that area.
Shaun
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The last one i did was after an employee who was hacked off with the tipped bleach over everything,bench seats the lot,they were asking me if it would come out !! Er no it`s bleach,they were trying to open as I was finishing off,would not eat anything that came out that kitchen,they were using plastic buckets beggars belief
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Like Shaun said, divide the resturant into 4 sections and do a section at a time so that the pre-spray doesn't dry off and then needing to reaply more... put blower on the section just cleaned and move on to the next.
Enzall would be my choice of prespray to loosin the grease.
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1. Bloody good vac
2. Pre spray with Enzyme based pre spray Power burst (hot)
3. Machanical Agitation
4. Mist a bit more pre spray
5. HWE personally I would add an extraction detergent
6. Get turbos on as you work
If an area won't come up to your liking let it dry before repeating the process on that area.
Shaun
I would use Crystal Green as the detergent. Once extraction complete I would spray a very fine mist of acidic rinse and bonnet to take access soiling and moisture out. Blowers on all the time. "But thats just me"
PS Dont forget to wear shoe protectors so :
1. You don't stick to carpet and
2. You don't want all that grease in your shoe tread
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What you could do is post spray with mpower, nemesis or micro splitter and post bonnet, this will neutralise (if it were needed as the ph level of the carpet will be acidic with all the grease) either of the 3 products above will give it a further clean and neutralise at the same time.
Hope you're charging enough?
Shaun
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What you could do is post spray with mpower, nemesis or micro splitter and post bonnet, this will neutralise (if it were needed as the ph level of the carpet will be acidic with all the grease) either of the 3 products above will give it a further clean and neutralise at the same time.
Hope you're charging enough?
Shaun
He said if i do him good price he will get me lots of business ;D ;D Haha second time ive heard that this week
I went in higher so he could knock me down, I think ive got it about right, for me anyway.
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a couple of pics
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1 more
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Do the weft shots run in both directions, the pic is not very clear?
Mark
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I recommend that you put carpet tacks around the edge. It takes 5 mins and will help prevent any shrinkage problems.
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If you take on Belgian Wilton, especially dirty ones in Indian Restaurants, you really are rolling the dice and that is why we tend not to do them. What you have to be aware of is that if it shrinks (and often BW won't re-stretch) then you could be looking at a very large bill. In these situations it is a good idea to weigh up what you have to gain agaisnt what you could potentialy lose. If you can LM it then you reduce the risk but then if it isn't clean enough for the client you risk not getting paid. Experience has taught me to listen to the alarm bells ringing in my head when certain situations present themselves and simply walk away.
Simon
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Dear Cannon,
Difficult to see as the pics arent that clear as to the back of the carpet, but I would be worried as they have only put 1 set of grippers down, on a BW two rows is the norm to help keep it down.
Tack it down round the edges just to make sure, as you said, its not that bad, we've all seen worse.
Good luck if you decide to take it on.
Murky
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I'll stick my neck out and say that's not a belgian wilton, do a burns test but i'm sure I have done that carpet before and it was a woolmix.
if you are not familiar with the burns test it where you stand in the middle of the room and read Scottish poetry, if the carpet starts to cringe then it wool
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For what its worth I agree with Mike.
I think its an Axminster weave, possibly a 'b'grade although the pics arent great, the carpet doesnt have that 'gloss' a BW has. And a BW tends to have regular 'pictures' of patterns, this doesnt.
The pattern looks familiar but not as BW, perhaps one of the guys on here that has a carpet shop can name it, that would help.
Ask them in the restaurant if they know the carpets history, although an Axminster is relativley dear it may have come from a pub that was being redone etc etc.
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I think the only history worth noting in this case is that it has shrunk before and so anyone thinking of cleaning it has got to make a judgement as to whether to take it on and risk it shrinking again (and incurring the repair costs) or walk away.
Simon
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Having seen the pics I too would say it isn't a BW but an Axminster. A cheaper one at that will a fairly open weave, that's why it shrunk last time, and will do the same again. The saving grace is that with an Axminster they can usually be stretched back once they have thoroughly dried and settled down after a week or so.
Dave.
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Mike nobody got your joke :(
I laughed my as$ off :D
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not everyone has our intellect Jim, :D :D
.......To mis'ry's brink;
Till, wrench'd of ev'ry stay but Heav'n,
He, ruin'd, sink!
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you canny beat a bit of Rabbie ;D ;D
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Job went good, i learned alot which is what i wanted from it. The two rooms i bonneted came up great i was impressed. Bonnetings great! I can see my rotary being the best 65 pound ive ever spent
And it was very satisfying when they were down on there hands and knees rubbing away with MY white cloths adement that there was dirt and they got nothing I was close to walking at this point, i explained the darker areas were where the pile was lying a different way, i ended up getting my pile brush and giving them a practical demonstration, they finnally got it and let me get on.
But when it came to the walkway the pads wernt cuting the mustard or maybe my inexperience with them! So the porty came out and my god the ____ i pulled out of that "not to bad" walkway" when i emptied the porty it looked like i was doing an oil change on the van. There was a marked visible inprovement on the walkway but it wasnt perfect and they accepted that it wasnt worth the risk in the hope of further improvement.
Carpet started to come away from 1 door bar but only very slightly.
They were happy and ive got two more restaurant quotes to do from it.
I would say i possibly sold my self short, but ive learnt from it.
Thanks for the help
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A job well done mate and as you said have learnt for the next job..
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Well done, mate, job well done by the sounds of it. I hate jobs like that and do my best to avoid them if I can. 8)
Simon