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UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: Andrew Willis on February 05, 2011, 08:30:11 am
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Ladder Training
On average 12 people a year die at work falling from ladders and over 1200 suffer major injuries.
Ladders account for more than a quarter of all falls from height.
The Law
The Working at height Regulations Regulations 5 and 6(5)(b)
You must ensure that everyone involved in the work is competent (or, if being trained, is supervised by a competent person).
This includes involvement in organisation, planning, supervision, and the supply and maintenance of equipment.
The Provision and Use of Work Equipment Regulations 1998 (Regulation 5(1) also requires employers to check ladder are well maintained
Staff training
The IMPACT43 window cleaning ladder, theory, selection, inspection and safe use training course is specifically written for window cleaners and the window cleaning industry providing certification enabling them to safely use ladders and step-ladders and to carry out, and document, periodic statutory ladder inspections
I day course
Certification: Certification is valid for 5 years
For those forum members that have been window cleaning for 50 years or more
Know it all
Don’t work on ladders
Only use water fed poles
Don’t want to train
Don’t want to spend money on training
Have no intention to train
No need to reply ;D
However if you would like to train yourself or staff
Visit www.training43.com
Courses in
Norwich
Birmingham
London
Bristol
Bedford
Crawley
Plymouth
Sheffield
http://www.training43.com/training-courses/ladder-selection.php
Discounts available for
Previous City and Guilds NVQ Level 2 Candidates
Those attending this years City and Guilds QCF Level 2 Candidates
Or Clean It Up forum members
Forum members quote Frankybadboy is king of the road
For your discount we are also donating £25 on any course to
running the london marathon help needed
http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=115999.0;all
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money for old rope if you ask me
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money for old rope if you ask me
As I said
No need to reply ;D
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When you doing one for wfp users?
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When you doing one for wfp users?
Courses will start for WFP from July 2011
Have experienced trainer’s joining the team
Bristol
Boston Lincolnshire
London
Leeds
Would be able to supply Scotland based on 15 candidates attending
Also recommend the BWCA courses
http://www.cleaning43.com/services-directory/services-companylist.php?subcategoryID=178
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well as i was off on my way to tesco i could not belive wot i saw only a windy on a slope house with bay window his ladders chocked under one leg and ali ladders on upvc window sill and reaching out ward even our lass said look at him i was gonna stop and point out the error of his ways but she said youll only upset him the thing is there was some decrotive pointy railins to one side it just shows the lengths poeple will go to just to earn a few quid ive been trad a good few years but just swaped to wfp
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Andy
I am interested in some training for my boys
Dave
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Andy
I am interested in some training for my boys
Dave
That wil be great, I'll get Dave to give you a call Monday, regards Andy
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roughly how much is the ladder course?
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roughly how much is the ladder course?
http://www.training43.com/pdf/Modules/Module%205%20Ladder%20Selection,%20Inspection%20&%20Safe%20Use.pdf
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Does thath price include the discount for forum members? ???
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Andrew what makes your course more specific for window cleaning ie what does it teach that other ladder training courses dont i ask this because your course is about £40 dearer than many other providers, if you can list specifically what your course covers i can then assess whether it is worth the extra money for my employees to attend
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roughly how much is the ladder course?
http://www.training43.com/pdf/Modules/Module%205%20Ladder%20Selection,%20Inspection%20&%20Safe%20Use.pdf
Hi Andy
If you have space at Crawley what dates will you be there?
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Is this some kind of plot to kill off the Jocks?
At a rate of 12 a year?
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Andrew what makes your course more specific for window cleaning ie what does it teach that other ladder training courses dont i ask this because your course is about £40 dearer than many other providers, if you can list specifically what your course covers i can then assess whether it is worth the extra money for my employees to attend
I recently sent two of our trainers on a HSS Ladder training course.
Cost £150 per candidate
So £25 pounds more expensive than ours
http://www.hsstraining.com/the_ladder_association.shtml
The HSS course visit and need was part of their CPD Continual Professional Development.
Provides us an opportunity to assess others course content and delivery.
Which as it goes was shocking
To answer your point on why is ours specific
We use window cleaner’s ladders
Including A Frames
Within our theory part the whole training is specific to window cleaning
unlike other courses where the content is generic
Case law, prosecution and fatality examples are specific to window cleaning
Within hazards affecting the use of Ladders we give reference to ladder type and the possible causes of over reaching
Again the application references window cleaning working environments
During practical ladder use
We demonstrate safe ladder use a combination of tools and accessories
Applicator buckets and correct sequences etc
Basically the window cleaners can relate to our industry environment unlike many other course especially the HSS course we went on was really basic and generic.
The trainer also advised incorrectly a method of footing the ladder?
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Andrew what makes your course more specific for window cleaning ie what does it teach that other ladder training courses dont i ask this because your course is about £40 dearer than many other providers, if you can list specifically what your course covers i can then assess whether it is worth the extra money for my employees to attend
I am pretty sure both our next City and Guilds QCF level 2 and ladder training courses are full in Manchester
If you are interested in ladder training then call David in the office next week and based on numbers we may be able to slot a second date in the schedule
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Does thath price include the discount for forum members? ???
Discounts available for
Previous City and Guilds NVQ Level 2 Candidates
Those attending this years City and Guilds QCF Level 2 Candidates
Or Clean It Up forum members
Forum members quote Frankybadboy is king of the road
£25 discount for the forum user
We are also donating a further £25 on any course to
running the london marathon help needed
http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=115999.0;all
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No plans for a course a bit further north?
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No plans for a course a bit further north?
Sorry at present on ladder training up to Newcastle
We may be running the city and Guilds QCF Level 2 in Scotland
and on the basis you have your own equipment on site could include an extra day for ladder training
Would not be able to include the cut down ladders, really recommend you don't use these
http://souterwindowcleaning.weebly.com/pictures.html
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Why on earth not?
Surely if you need to be 2 foot higher up this is the safest method practicably applicable, provided the short ladders are properly maintained?
I for one would be interested in both courses (ladder & WFP) but Newcastle and Leeds are quite a long way from us.
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Why on earth not?
Surely if you need to be 2 foot higher up this is the safest method practicably applicable, provided the short ladders are properly maintained?
I for one would be interested in both courses (ladder & WFP) but Newcastle and Leeds are quite a long way from us.
As a ladder user for many years yours are an interesting concept got to say have never come across this before, so there’s a first.
The issue would be stability, operative climbing to high but I cant really comment, as I have not used them?
The real issue is liabilities to you as an employer
HSE Guidance is clear in that you need to maintain three points of contact when climbing a ladder it also makes following reference
7 This refers to the type of work and its duration. As a guide, only use a ladder or stepladder:
On a ladder where you cannot maintain a handhold, other than for a brief period of time, other measures will be needed to prevent a fall or reduce the consequences of one.
http://www.hse.gov.uk/pubns/indg402.pdf
I will get David in the office to check funding in Scotland for City and Guilds
This way we could build the courses around this activity and see if we can come up with a training module for you (part funded)
How many window cleaners have you got
Have you other companies that you know that could make a group of 20
Regards
Andy
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It is an interesting point with the 3 points of contact, I would be interested to know how high would be considered 'working at height' as I said these are only ever used when you need to be 2 foot higher up if at all.
There are 10 of us in total. I am certain that I could easily round up another 10 local window cleaners. Would this get me a discount? Me doing your sales and all? ;)
Give me a phone on Tuesday if you want as I will be out on the glass tomorrow.
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It is an interesting point with the 3 points of contact, I would be interested to know how high would be considered 'working at height' as I said these are only ever used when you need to be 2 foot higher up if at all.
There are 10 of us in total. I am certain that I could easily round up another 10 local window cleaners. Would this get me a discount? Me doing your sales and all? ;)
Give me a phone on Tuesday if you want as I will be out on the glass tomorrow.
OK to all ...Regards
Andy
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Andrew what makes your course more specific for window cleaning ie what does it teach that other ladder training courses dont i ask this because your course is about £40 dearer than many other providers, if you can list specifically what your course covers i can then assess whether it is worth the extra money for my employees to attend
I am pretty sure both our next City and Guilds QCF level 2 and ladder training courses are full in Manchester
If you are interested in ladder training then call David in the office next week and based on numbers we may be able to slot a second date in the schedule
Thanks Andrew your course content does sound much better for our industry, to start with i would only be interested in myself and one other member of staff to attend the course to first assess its benefits so when the next course date is available in manchester please let me know, one other question andrew does not the city and guilds course level 2 for window cleaners not include ladder training it seems a bit bizzar that you can have a level 2 in window cleaning and yet not be ladder trained ???
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Andrew what makes your course more specific for window cleaning ie what does it teach that other ladder training courses dont i ask this because your course is about £40 dearer than many other providers, if you can list specifically what your course covers i can then assess whether it is worth the extra money for my employees to attend
I am pretty sure both our next City and Guilds QCF level 2 and ladder training courses are full in Manchester
If you are interested in ladder training then call David in the office next week and based on numbers we may be able to slot a second date in the schedule
Thanks Andrew your course content does sound much better for our industry, to start with i would only be interested in myself and one other member of staff to attend the course to first assess its benefits so when the next course date is available in manchester please let me know, one other question andrew does not the city and guilds course level 2 for window cleaners not include ladder training it seems a bit bizzar that you can have a level 2 in window cleaning and yet not be ladder trained ???
I will ask David to call and answer any questions you have
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I am interested in the ladder course for 2 maybe 3? But not until June/July...........Boston is local to us so I can look up on the website nearer the time unless you want to contact us beforehand to arrange in advance?
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I am interested in the ladder course for 2 maybe 3? But not until June/July...........Boston is local to us so I can look up on the website nearer the time unless you want to contact us beforehand to arrange in advance?
Will make a note to call you thanks Andy
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Why on earth not?
Surely if you need to be 2 foot higher up this is the safest method practicably applicable, provided the short ladders are properly maintained?
I for one would be interested in both courses (ladder & WFP) but Newcastle and Leeds are quite a long way from us.
It would be safer to use a window cleaners pointer ladder, perhaps an Unger pole or a kick stool? The cutdown ladders look like an accident waiting to happen. I would be interested in finding out what made you use them?