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UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: stephen.b1 on January 27, 2011, 05:57:06 pm
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i thought this was a joke
you tell any one you have passed this in the pub you will become the laughing stock
i got a proper one
4 years day release
4 exames per year
home work every week
came second highest in country at the time well earned
get them in lucky bags now ;D ;D ;D
sorry for those that have it if ofended
whats your opinions ???
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You got a proper what?
NVQ?
It's not exactly a degree is it, and no one on here claims to be anything special for having it, the same way if i joined the fed , or safe contractor or any one of a number of guilds, organisations and accreditations , i would not be telling people i did it because it makes me clever or proud, its just another tool in a professional window cleaners portfolio to have the edge on competition when quoting
Your "proper" NVQ must 've been great if your stuck window cleaning , well done
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You got a proper what?
NVQ?
It's not exactly a degree is it, and no one on here claims to be anything special for having it, the same way if i joined the fed , or safe contractor or any one of a number of guilds, organisations and accreditations , i would not be telling people i did it because it makes me clever or proud, its just another tool in a professional window cleaners portfolio to have the edge on competition when quoting
Your "proper" NVQ must 've been great if your stuck window cleaning , well done
;D ;D
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shaun i passed my city and guilds when it was something a cetificate you had earned
and nothing to do with this new poxy nvq only 60% of my class passed
i worked 27 years in my field and was the best in lancashire and the best paid i started a window cleaning bussines because i wated a change and am enjoying it ;D ;D ;D
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its just another tool in a professional window cleaners portfolio to have the edge on competition when quoting
dont talk daft ;)
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Why would you have a go at someone trying to improve themselves ?
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I have City and Guilds.... 4 years day release and exams, but they are not worth jack s**t, as I'm not a printer anymore. I think they are a good idea and well worth taking if you take your business seriously.
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idiots like you who make a joke of our industry and let people think were not worthy of decent money if we take our business serious then so will other people and we can begin to demand more money on the whole.why shouldnt we take it serious no one laughs regarding carpets cleaners having qualifications and accreditions
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its just another tool in a professional window cleaners portfolio to have the edge on competition when quoting
dont talk daft ;)
LOL
How long have you been in the window cleaning industry?
Are you just a sole trader?
Matt
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i thought this was a joke
you tell any one you have passed this in the pub you will become the laughing stock
i got a proper one
4 years day release
4 exames per year
home work every week
came second highest in country at the time well earned
get them in lucky bags now ;D ;D ;D
sorry for those that have it if ofended
whats your opinions ???
and B.T.W. There's only one "E" in Exams.
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I'm an expert in my field too. Well actually it's more of a lawn really.
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I think you should all show more respect.This is the cleverest man in lancashire you are ribbing, and the second most clever in england by public examination- back when exams mean't something and didn't come in lucky bags.
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I think you should all show more respect.This is the cleverest man in lancashire you are ribbing, and the second most clever in england by public examination- back when exams mean't something and didn't come in lucky bags.
Here here
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I think you should all show more respect.This is the cleverest man in lancashire you are ribbing, and the second most clever in england by public examination- back when exams mean't something and didn't come in lucky bags.
;D ;D
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i can understand someone wanting to better themselves
i was not having a go at any individual or training or any other qualification just the city and guilds 2 day course for level 2 window cleaning
the standards of the city and guilds must have dropped a long way to award a level 2 in 2 days or is there not much to learn :)
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on training
the biggest arguments on this site is ladders and how dangerous they are and that most are wfp and dont use ladders please read the next bit carefully quote
Two full training days, split over a period of 2 months, full of great workshops, risk assessment and working at height certification.
what good will working at heights certification if your stood on the floor all day
will this mean only 1 day training to get your city and guilds
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LOL
How long have you been in the window cleaning industry?
Are you just a sole trader?
Matt
11 years
2 females
3 males
no ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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I did seven years training for the print industry. Five years letterpress apprenticeship then two more years for lithographic training. Fat lot of good that trade turned out to be.
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You don't even need GCSEs or A levels to get into University now-a-days, does this degrade the value of the BA or BSc Degree?
Matt
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you tell me ???
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if any of you guys are intested in signing up,then read below and help me ;) ;)
i will also sponsor you £25 for every Clean It Up user that calls our office next week and signs up to a City and Guilds QCF any area excluding Norwich (full) www.training43.com
Quoting .......QCF Frankybadboy is king of the road
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LOL
How long have you been in the window cleaning industry?
Are you just a sole trader?
Matt
11 years
2 females
3 males
no ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Are you IOSH certified?
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idiots like you who make a joke of our industry on the whole.why shouldnt we take it serious no one laughs regarding carpets cleaners having qualifications and accreditions
in jumbled order
1 you cannot class yourself as to having the same level of skills as a carpet cleaner there is a lot more to learn about cleaning carpets than windows
2 idiot yes in life but i dont make a joke of our industry
3 understand what you wrote
quote and let people think were not worthy of decent money if we take our business serious then so will other people and we can begin to demand more money
you try to demand more money and you will get undercut by some idiot
quote i have been asked to quote a site of 42 apartments every 8 weeks what sort of figure per apartment would get me the job im quite happy to go in low to cover lads wages at moment while i expand the business.
would £4 per apartment be about right
this beggars belife
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Are you IOSH certified?
we work on building sites what do you think
are you
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and have paid all my taxes
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To be fair to stephen
C&G in Window Cleaning ;D ;D
Tell someone in the pub about it, they would by you a pint for the laugh you gave them
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I did seven years training for the print industry. Five years letterpress apprenticeship then two more years for lithographic training. Fat lot of good that trade turned out to be.
Oh, I don`t know. Could you knock me a fake C&G certificate up? You don't even need GCSEs or A levels to get into University now-a-days, does this degrade the value of the BA or BSc Degree?
Matt
Probably ;D.
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i totally agree there
and the only people gaining from it are the companys that are taking the training!
To be fair to stephen
C&G in Window Cleaning ;D ;D
Tell someone in the pub about it, they would by you a pint for the laugh you gave them
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to be honest i do no the industry i work in i put a addvert in local paper for a part time window cleaner you should have seen the knuckle heads and thick necks that applied all window cleaners but by the left. i didnt bother in the end :-X
may be we could use that as a frightner or filter
all applicants must have city and guilds level 2 in window cleaning you wouldnt see them knuckle heads for dust ;D ;D ;D ;D
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to be honest i do no the industry i work in i put a addvert in local paper for a part time window cleaner you should have seen the knuckle heads and thick necks that applied all window cleaners but by the left. i didnt bother in the end :-X
may be we could use that as a frightner or filter
all applicants must have city and guilds level 2 in window cleaning you wouldnt see them knuckle heads for dust ;D ;D ;D ;D
I see your point Stephen.
But because people ridicule the idea of C&Gs in Window Cleaning, the hard working, very good workers will overlook the course.
Then employees who seek Window Cleaners that are C&Gs qualified, could alienate good, hard working Window Cleaners because they haven't got the qualification.
Matt
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have just read this http://www.training43.com/pdf/FS002%20QCF%20L2%20Information%20Sheet.pdf
brilliant laugh ;D :'( ;D
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to be honest i do no the industry i work in i put a addvert in local paper for a part time window cleaner you should have seen the knuckle heads and thick necks that applied all window cleaners but by the left. i didnt bother in the end :-X
may be we could use that as a frightner or filter
all applicants must have city and guilds level 2 in window cleaning you wouldnt see them knuckle heads for dust ;D ;D ;D ;D
I see your point Stephen.
But because people ridicule the idea of C&Gs in Window Cleaning, the hard working, very good workers will overlook the course.
Then employees who seek Window Cleaners that are C&Gs qualified, could alienate good, hard working Window Cleaners because they haven't got the qualification.
Matt
*employers
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i wont pull you on spelling or grammer ;D ;D ;D
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ay up m8 thought you had packed window cleaning to do photography?
to be honest i do no the industry i work in i put a addvert in local paper for a part time window cleaner you should have seen the knuckle heads and thick necks that applied all window cleaners but by the left. i didnt bother in the end :-X
may be we could use that as a frightner or filter
all applicants must have city and guilds level 2 in window cleaning you wouldnt see them knuckle heads for dust ;D ;D ;D ;D
I see your point Stephen.
But because people ridicule the idea of C&Gs in Window Cleaning, the hard working, very good workers will overlook the course.
Then employees who seek Window Cleaners that are C&Gs qualified, could alienate good, hard working Window Cleaners because they haven't got the qualification.
Matt
*employers
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[I see your point Stephen.
But because people ridicule the idea of C&Gs in Window Cleaning, the hard working, very good workers will overlook the course.
Then employees who seek Window Cleaners that are C&Gs qualified, could alienate good, hard working Window Cleaners because they haven't got the qualification.
Matt
to me having a city and guilds for window cleaning is so bad its ureal to me its making a mockery out of this long established institution
if it had been anything else then ok
i did a course for 10 mondays at college for health and safety and that was a college certificate and windowcleaning is 2 days for a city and guilds ??? ???
the only people to benefit out of this is the employers geting £1000 per candidate
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ay up m8 thought you had packed window cleaning to do photography?
told you befor i wil not take glamour pics of you in that dress
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Now Now ladies,its not hard 2 lick windows,its like aga do 2 left 2 the right up an down,its very simple for both trad an w.f.p so city an guilds is a load ov b**"""ks.
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lol
Makes me wonder how people can advertise this on here as obviously making money out this,yet anybody offering a service ot tools for wc on here get abuse
ay up m8 thought you had packed window cleaning to do photography?
told you befor i wil not take glamour pics of you in that dress
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oki dokie mayb a newbie,but talk about greasing ur own back up,lets get it right iv been lickin windows for 10 years now an hardly a complaint,so why would anyone in there right mind want 2 take this course 2 line some muppets pocket, come on seriously :P :P :P
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taken of there web site
IMPACT43 can show companies how to secure government funding of up to £1000 under the Leadership and Management Scheme
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if any of you guys are intested in signing up,then read below and help me ;) ;)
i will also sponsor you £25 for every Clean It Up user that calls our office next week and signs up to a City and Guilds QCF any area excluding Norwich (full) www.training43.com
Quoting .......QCF Frankybadboy is king of the road
Frankybadboy would you get the £1000 per applicant if you do then that is a loop hole thet needs sealing
and if you do i will sponsor the candidate and split the funding £500 each with the candidate;D ;D ;D
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ay up m8 thought you had packed window cleaning to do photography?
to be honest i do no the industry i work in i put a addvert in local paper for a part time window cleaner you should have seen the knuckle heads and thick necks that applied all window cleaners but by the left. i didnt bother in the end :-X
may be we could use that as a frightner or filter
all applicants must have city and guilds level 2 in window cleaning you wouldnt see them knuckle heads for dust ;D ;D ;D ;D
I see your point Stephen.
But because people ridicule the idea of C&Gs in Window Cleaning, the hard working, very good workers will overlook the course.
Then employees who seek Window Cleaners that are C&Gs qualified, could alienate good, hard working Window Cleaners because they haven't got the qualification.
Matt
*employers
I start in September Dr Windows.
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If you could get funding for every employee you take on, wouldn't you take it?
The Chamber of Commerce in Leicester publishes a list of schemes, grants and privately funded loans to small businesses each year.
There are currently 3 grants that are available to help cover the initial cost of taking on employees, £2,000 one off payment per employee.
This is to help secure the future employment of that employee.
Matt
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it,s like yes sir,no sir,do u not understand this city and guilds is not goin 2 make u special,or maybe ur all thinkin its goin to make u superheroes an u can get all the work you have been dreaming off,get a life fellow lickers 8) 8) 8)
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yes matt but please read post 40 these are not employess
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oh i know there not employees its jus some greedy get tryin another scam ;) an it seems to be workin what ive read
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i didnt mean you i ment matt from sapphire
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LOL ;)
So how much did Franky get? lol
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on training
the biggest arguments on this site is ladders and how dangerous they are and that most are wfp and dont use ladders please read the next bit carefully quote
Two full training days, split over a period of 2 months, full of great workshops, risk assessment and working at height certification.
what good will working at heights certification if your stood on the floor all day
will this mean only 1 day training to get your city and guilds
[Hope this information helps
The City and Guilds Level 2 is not just about training
Infact in different industries some suppliers don’t even provide it for their learners?
In my opinion this is one of the reasons Government pulled Train to Gain
“The point of train to gain being providing funding for companies like some of the forum users that otherwise may not be able to due to financial constraints to invest in training
The City and Guilds is about window cleaners having an opportunity to put their knowledge, experience and practical ability and to set these against standards written specifically for the window cleaning industry.
Proof acquired through practical observation carried out in their work place, written question, proof of prior learning by candidates showing training certification they have carried out before starting the City and Guilds. Customer references. Etc
Look it’s funded what more can I say
]
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Having attended the city and guilds course I would say that the main problem was the fact that a lot of time in the class was spent signing ALL of the forms, which in my opinion wasted time as we could have simply taken documents home to sign. I understand that for you if a candidate takes them home and never comes back, you will probably lose the money.
The course would greatly benefit by having max two days in a classroom and one day in the field as a group, as well as being assessed a few weeks later on your own work.
I also believe that in order to gain an NVQ a candidate should be expected to gain training and passing perhaps at least two of the following - Safety Harness Training – PASMA – IPAF – Ladder Training- IRATA.
Cradle training should be made available and perhaps this is something the Clean it up board could help create, as there seems to be nothing available formally, and as a collective group this should be achievable.
I also think that an outdoor training facility should be made available this could possibly be held at a large building, where techniques such as water fed poling, laddering, correct use of squeegees and showing how to rig up a cradle and use one safely. Perhaps even adding in a demonstration on a mewp. This would then demonstrate working at height safely, as I believe many of the window cleaners who have trained are possibly single guys working on houses using water fed poles only. The danger being that they manage to secure a fifty storey building for window cleaning because they have shown their NVQ and believe themselves to be capable, then set about getting INTO a cradle for the very first time, ( I know on the course you recommend training by the manufacturer but will this be done?) and as you are aware this would be very dangerous for the PROPERLY untrained/unskilled window cleaners. I know as well as the rest of you that this is very unlikely, but what would happen if it did? Would you be held liable/responsible anyway?
For me as a company owner I will put my staff through the course, and will continue to put them on many types of courses throughout their working life whilst in my employment. BUT first I will fully train them in ALL of the methods and practices I have acquired over the past twenty five years or so, which I myself were taught by window cleaners who had themselves been working as window cleaners for up to fifty years.
I know I don’t know everything, and I am still capable of learning more, but I think before an employee goes on an intensive course of any kind they should have a good understanding of health and safety as well as being competent at what they do within their industry.
I fully understand your business model and I think it is great, well thought out and I am sure very profitable for all concerned, however I really think that with effort it could be a MUST for all window cleaners.
It however is NOT a joke nor a waste of time for anybody to be trained and undertake qualifications - WHAT HAVE YOU GOT TO LOSE BY DOING ANY COURSES?
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if any of you guys are intested in signing up,then read below and help me ;) ;)
i will also sponsor you £25 for every Clean It Up user that calls our office next week and signs up to a City and Guilds QCF any area excluding Norwich (full) www.training43.com
Quoting .......QCF Frankybadboy is king of the road
How much does it cost ???
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How much does it cost ???
Hi Telboy, it is potentially fully funded, we have a course in London set up for the 24/02.
Give me a call on 01205 364333 and I can run through it with you :)
Jake
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tell boy if your asole trader and you sign up kelly gets £1000
you get £25 ;D ;D
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tell boy if your asole trader and you sign up kelly gets £1000
you get £25 ;D ;D
Stephen, it is best to keep non-facts off of here buddy.
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shaun i passed my city and guilds when it was something a cetificate you had earned
and nothing to do with this new poxy nvq only 60% of my class passed
i worked 27 years in my field and was the best in lancashire and the best paid i started a window cleaning bussines because i wated a change and am enjoying it ;D ;D ;D
the fact is the average domestic cleaner probably does not need the nvq. However i learned alot on it about cradles, cherry pickers, working at height , ladders, employer responsibility , employee responsibility etb. Like all things some of it i applied some of it i know for future reference and some didnt and wont apply to me. I made good contacts in the industry through it and paid nothing. Valueless? I dont Think so. Laughable? Only to those who are to arrogant to see its value. I will have to take your word for your previous job , but it cant of been that great if you would rather clean windows, instead of being the best paid individual in your industry. maybe it was mcdonalds, they offer degrees for over achievers like you :-)
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Stephen, you have been warned about posts like this before, this is the last warning, topic locked.
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