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UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: David lyddon on January 21, 2011, 02:27:25 pm
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is it worth going wfp with about 90% dom work. dont you need ladders to get over all locked gates,is constantly having to move van around street a pain.any input would be brill THANX
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keep hold of ur money m8 & stay as u are ;) if it aint broke, dont try & fix it. ;D
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mines about 90% domestic and I use a back pack, much easier even if getting over the odd locked gate can be tricky. Getting sick of lugging 25lt barrels around though :P
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you get used to it ,hose gets stuck but i much prefer it then those dangerous ladders
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I'm 90% domestic.
Won't catch me up a ladder.
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I'm 90% domestic.
Won't catch me up a ladder.
thats cause ur always on here m8 ;D
yer yer i am 2 :P lol
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is it worth going wfp with about 90% dom work. dont you need ladders to get over all locked gates,is constantly having to move van around street a pain.any input would be brill THANX
im completly domestic,since moing off ladders i got rid of worker as i can make more money.when i did ladders on my own i can double my earnings easily.wfp is the best,go for it mate
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ditch the ladders, get trolley and backpack ;D ;D
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im 90% domestic and its really the way to go mate!
it does a much better job in general than trad
you can now clean those awkward windows and frames!
its much safer than climbing ladders!
its easier on the body than all them ladder climbs!
you can take on bigger properties plus add on jobs like conny roof/fascia cleaning
20%-40% more work can be completed than traditional only.
i use a 50L TROLLEY SYSTEM which suits me in the main as ive a lot of compact work with parking issues.i use 40m of extension hose and it works very well for me.
no need to stay trad!im not knocking it as i was for 16 years!then i seen some sense and bought a system!id never go back!WFP IS JUST SO MUCH BETTER!!! ;D ;D ;D ;D
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all my work is domestic and we only use wfp, dont bother with trolleys and back pack just get a van mount and be done with it! i started with a trolley and then got a van mount, believe me youll get p155ed off with lifting in and out, filling containers.........its false economy, the time youll save and the more work youll do will pay for a new van each month, i know ive been there and dont it ;)
i totally agree,i cant believe how many people use backpacks and trolleys,waste of time and energy
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yes reeling in 100m hose all day! thats the way to go! :-\
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nothing wrong with trolleys, used a trolley for almost 3 yrs dont have any any probs at all with my poxy trolley as you put it easy clean its fairly straight forward, you just learn were to park and as you said work back over, i work on my own so i find it much eaiser than 100 mtrs of hose out the back of a van
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what about all the hassle the night before,say your trolley holds 50 litres,you need to transfer water into maybe 10 or more 25 litres barrels and yhen carry them in your van,and then after youve cleaned a couple of houses need to to change your water.by that time ive done a load of houses with my 100METRE HOSE.
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Ditto easy clean and Andy1975 (good year by the way) WFP van mount all the way - using a trolley is almost as mad as climbing up and down ladders all day - well maybe not - however dont do things by half if your gonna go wfp do it properly geta van mounted system in a decent sized van and you will never look back trust me ;)
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yes reeling in 100m hose all day! thats the way to go! :-\
Not if you have a drill to do it for you, takes no time at all, no are ache, and no humping trolleys and 25L containers all day ;)
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Hi
The only problem with using van mount to do all types of WFP is that it is said just pull out 100 meters and work backwards, if you have done your risk assessment it would be HIGH RISK as a slips and trips accident would be high (even with signs out)
The highways act and possible road traffic act could come into this (I have seen hoses crossing the road)
You could eliminate the problem and use a back pack or trolley
I can only say if you have an insurance claim, you would be done
Whilst working you have to look at all the problems not just it is easier to use a van mount than trolleys and back packs
Safety must come first
Bryan
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Hi
The only problem with using van mount to do all types of WFP is that it is said just pull out 100 meters and work backwards, if you have done your risk assessment it would be HIGH RISK as a slips and trips accident would be high (even with signs out)
The highways act and possible road traffic act could come into this (I have seen hoses crossing the road)
You could eliminate the problem and use a back pack or trolley
I can only say if you have an insurance claim, you would be done
Whilst working you have to look at all the problems not just it is easier to use a van mount than trolleys and back packs
Safety must come first
Bryan
Well said but not many will listen!
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when i eventually go wfp i was thinking just getting a purefreedom trolly and 50m of hose with it and using it as van mount and on compact work take it out of van and wheel it round with me,and proberly get a back pack aswell,
is a van mount a pain on compact work as you need to keep moving van every time you've done a couple of houses?
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jackal rednik selling a descent backpack
in buy n sell section ;)
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I have both a van mounted tank and a pure freedom trolley and find that both have their merits depending on the job.
Like many I started with a trolley and then added a van mounted system. The trolley defo comes in handy though for certain jobs.
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buy a trolley mate to start you off.you can always buy a tank to go with it at a later date!
what gets me about some of the numpties on here they have nt a clue what sort of rounds we have!!ive got 4 different rounds!the 150 very compact estate work would be a nightmare with 100m of hose as there is a lot of parking issues with almost 2 cars per household.the trolley is the better and safer option.
on stand alone properties i use it as a mini-van mount.yes it can be a pain to change barrels but you get used to it!i have the 50L TROLLEY so it lasts me for about an hour before needing changing.a lot of the time i take the trolley out in the morning and put it back in when ive finished around 430pm.
it takes around 50 mins in the evening to fill 300-350L di only into the barrels.also i bring the trolley in every night to charge so it gets protected from frost so no need for van heaters!
i probably will get a van mount in time but ill always need my trolley as well!dont see the point in backpacks really as the capacity is too small!filling up after every house!!now that would be a waste of time!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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daz,iv got a couple of streets where i have to climb over garage roofs to gain access to the rear of the house,would using a trolly on them be ok or backpack be easier
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Knew it wouldn't take long! What do you do then newie? Carry it on your back all day, waste time filling up containers or do you enjoy lifting them in and out all day? Ask yourself why would you be winding up 100 metres of hose......do you think we just pull it out for a laugh? If you had 100 metres out that would be cos you've just done a load of houses with it, is normal people park the van pull it out to the furthest point and then work back towards the van! Maybe you enjoy walking along pulling a poxy trolley all day! You'll learn one day, eventually!
haha...attack the newb!!(been at it 6yr ::) ) most on here seem to prefer trolley,you'll learn one day, eventually!
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freedom trolley would be the best start for you,
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Another alternative.
Backpack / trolley.
Tank in van with transfer pump to top up backpack/trolley.
No lugging 25 ltr containers.
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daz,iv got a couple of streets where i have to climb over garage roofs to gain access to the rear of the house,would using a trolly on them be ok or backpack be easier
I would use trolley and a hose for that sort of job then youre just taking the hose and pole over with you.
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daz,iv got a couple of streets where i have to climb over garage roofs to gain access to the rear of the house,would using a trolly on them be ok or backpack be easier
i had a few jobs like that,just got rid of them as not being practical.they can be easily replaced with comfortable jobs and let someone else have the hassle
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yeeehaaa
it used to be TRAD vs WFP
now its
WFP
van vs trolley
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Knew it wouldn't take long! What do you do then newie? Carry it on your back all day, waste time filling up containers or do you enjoy lifting them in and out all day? Ask yourself why would you be winding up 100 metres of hose......do you think we just pull it out for a laugh? If you had 100 metres out that would be cos you've just done a load of houses with it, is normal people park the van pull it out to the furthest point and then work back towards the van! Maybe you enjoy walking along pulling a poxy trolley all day! You'll learn one day, eventually!
haha...attack the newb!!(been at it 6yr ::) ) most on here seem to prefer trolley,you'll learn one day, eventually!
not being funny mate but you are clueless.if you have a decent round sometimes the hose gets reeled out once a day. plus how long do you think it takes to reel in . it takes me a minute to reel in, and thats if its 100metres. you carry on dragging a trolley behind you ;)
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i go over a couple of garages
daz,iv got a couple of streets where i have to climb over garage roofs to gain access to the rear of the house,would using a trolly on them be ok or backpack be easier
I would use trolley and a hose for that sort of job then youre just taking the hose and pole over with you.
??? i go over a couple of garages carry the pole up and the hose follows , why would atrolley be better than van mount . cant see the difference on these jobs
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What is true is that most people COMMENTING ON THIS THREAD and others like it use trolleys most w/cers that do wfp properly (Domestic or commercial) use a van mounted system. The majority i think you will find on here. The majority do not comment on a thread like this cos they are all too long in the tooth for a CIU tit for tat session - im not sure why i got involved to tell you the truth, i spose because i want to offer some real help/guidance to the fella that started the thread.
And the trolley users that keep quoting health and safety and risk assessments makes me laugh , how much risk do you think that there is in lugging around umpteen 25 liter barrel of pure everyday day in and day out PULLEASSE!!! ::) ::)
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Knew it wouldn't take long! What do you do then newie? Carry it on your back all day, waste time filling up containers or do you enjoy lifting them in and out all day? Ask yourself why would you be winding up 100 metres of hose......do you think we just pull it out for a laugh? If you had 100 metres out that would be cos you've just done a load of houses with it, is normal people park the van pull it out to the furthest point and then work back towards the van! Maybe you enjoy walking along pulling a poxy trolley all day! You'll learn one day, eventually!
haha...attack the newb!!(been at it 6yr ::) ) most on here seem to prefer trolley,you'll learn one day, eventually!
not being funny mate but you are clueless.if you have a decent round sometimes the hose gets reeled out once a day. plus how long do you think it takes to reel in . it takes me a minute to reel in, and thats if its 100metres. you carry on dragging a trolley behind you ;)
not clueless i'm afraid seen as i have a van mount and prefer trolley because 100m hose everywhere is such a bind! ;)
only good point about the mount is the constant hot water supply.. ;D ;D
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What is true is that most people COMMENTING ON THIS THREAD and others like it use trolleys most w/cers that do wfp properly (Domestic or commercial) use a van mounted system. The majority i think you will find on here. The majority do not comment on a thread like this cos they are all too long in the tooth for a CIU tit for tat session - im not sure why i got involved to tell you the truth, i spose because i want to offer some real help/guidance to the fella that started the thread.
And the trolley users that keep quoting health and safety and risk assessments makes me laugh , how much risk do you think that there is in lugging around umpteen 25 liter barrel of pure everyday day in and day out PULLEASSE!!! ::) ::)
I do regret buying a trolley myself. I started with van mount, trolley, and backpack. The trolley is long broken and hasn't seen the light of day for years. I reckon a backpack is fine though for the odd bit that's hard to get to with a van mount. The backpack comes in handy quite a bit - especially for the odd house where there are parking issues.
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Hi
The only problem with using van mount to do all types of WFP is that it is said just pull out 100 meters and work backwards, if you have done your risk assessment it would be HIGH RISK as a slips and trips accident would be high (even with signs out)
The highways act and possible road traffic act could come into this (I have seen hoses crossing the road)
You could eliminate the problem and use a back pack or trolley
I can only say if you have an insurance claim, you would be done
Whilst working you have to look at all the problems not just it is easier to use a van mount than trolleys and back packs
Safety must come first
Bryan
Well said but not many will listen!
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Hi
The only problem with using van mount to do all types of WFP is that it is said just pull out 100 meters and work backwards, if you have done your risk assessment it would be HIGH RISK as a slips and trips accident would be high (even with signs out)
The highways act and possible road traffic act could come into this (I have seen hoses crossing the road)
You could eliminate the problem and use a back pack or trolley
I can only say if you have an insurance claim, you would be done
Whilst working you have to look at all the problems not just it is easier to use a van mount than trolleys and back packs
Safety must come first
Bryan
Well said but not many will listen!
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cheers all, great advice,didnt want to start trad v wfp war,but think wfp is way to go.all that ladder work.dont have the energy to sort the wife out at night(last night in jan this year)
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HI David
I have been Using WFP for 6 years now and would definitely say that its good for domestic.... however this trad Vs wfp is somthing I dont under stand No one is saying you have to use one or the other you can use both and I thinks thats the best way....
As for people saying that van is best all trolly is best thats down to the individual .... I found that van was best for me but some think trolly or backpack ?
Hope that helps
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matt 3 what do you mean by proper wfp using van mount i have been a window cleaner for almost 14yrs now wfp for almost 3 years i have a good business along with some large commercial including well known supermarkets , what ultimately matters is the service provided not the methods used , the bonus of using a trolley for me is with the the past bad weather i can take everything in house to avoid freezing . and because i drive a large 4wd i can get out and do my work without worrying about the snow and ice , only lost 3 days work due to cold weather
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get a van with a tank in it get a freedom trolly and barrels best of both worlds picked up a job saturday his window cleaner cant reach above the conservatory , both systems have their place but wfp is going to be the future dont get left behind
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Knew it wouldn't take long! What do you do then newie? Carry it on your back all day, waste time filling up containers or do you enjoy lifting them in and out all day? Ask yourself why would you be winding up 100 metres of hose......do you think we just pull it out for a laugh? If you had 100 metres out that would be cos you've just done a load of houses with it, is normal people park the van pull it out to the furthest point and then work back towards the van! Maybe you enjoy walking along pulling a poxy trolley all day! You'll learn one day, eventually!
haha...attack the newb!!(been at it 6yr ::) ) most on here seem to prefer trolley,you'll learn one day, eventually!
not being funny mate but you are clueless.if you have a decent round sometimes the hose gets reeled out once a day. plus how long do you think it takes to reel in . it takes me a minute to reel in, and thats if its 100metres. you carry on dragging a trolley behind you ;)
not clueless i'm afraid seen as i have a van mount and prefer trolley because 100m hose everywhere is such a bind! ;)
only good point about the mount is the constant hot water supply.. ;D ;D
if you cant handle 100 metres of hose your defo clueless ;)
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get a van with a tank in it get a freedom trolly and barrels best of both worlds picked up a job saturday his window cleaner cant reach above the conservatory , both systems have their place but wfp is going to be the future dont get left behind
good post fella ;)
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Knew it wouldn't take long! What do you do then newie? Carry it on your back all day, waste time filling up containers or do you enjoy lifting them in and out all day? Ask yourself why would you be winding up 100 metres of hose......do you think we just pull it out for a laugh? If you had 100 metres out that would be cos you've just done a load of houses with it, is normal people park the van pull it out to the furthest point and then work back towards the van! Maybe you enjoy walking along pulling a poxy trolley all day! You'll learn one day, eventually!
haha...attack the newb!!(been at it 6yr ::) ) most on here seem to prefer trolley,you'll learn one day, eventually!
not being funny mate but you are clueless.if you have a decent round sometimes the hose gets reeled out once a day. plus how long do you think it takes to reel in . it takes me a minute to reel in, and thats if its 100metres. you carry on dragging a trolley behind you ;)
not clueless i'm afraid seen as i have a van mount and prefer trolley because 100m hose everywhere is such a bind! ;)
only good point about the mount is the constant hot water supply.. ;D ;D
if you cant handle 100 metres of hose your defo clueless ;)
your right, all of the folk who prefer trolleys are clueless :-X
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yes i usually am right . thanks for noticing ;D
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thats right lads when you cant come up with a decent reply just insult people
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we are doing ;D