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UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: abilol on January 12, 2011, 10:36:25 pm
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hi i clean lots of shops round the northwest and travel 800 mlies roughley every fortnight on shops and lots of miles doing houses with price of diesel at 1.33a litre i have started to use bio diesel i was just wondering if any one else uses it on here and how they find it
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What are you using it in? Some modern diesels shouldn't be run 100% on bio diesel because it can mess the pump up.
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i ran bio diesel in one of my old vans and it f***ed it up big time, dont bother you will regret it, knackered diesel pump injectors blocked filters made the engine pour out smoke, it would struggle to start in the morning etc could go on all day,
dont bother you'll regret it
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arn tu meant to change all your filter and injectors when u start using biodiesel
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If you have an old diesel engine with a mechanical pump like the escort van or the dispatch 1.9 td then you can run it on 100% biodiesrl or cooking fat, but if you have a modern common rail diesel engine like the ford tdci then you are supposed to only put something like 5-10% bio diesel in because something that is in the bio diesel can destroy the seals on the high pressure diesel pump.
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i ran bio diesel in one of my old vans and it f***ed it up big time, dont bother you will regret it, knackered diesel pump injectors blocked filters made the engine pour out smoke, it would struggle to start in the morning etc could go on all day,
dont bother you'll regret it
snap wrecked my astra van aswel, £700 pum went, just not worth it. Would be worth investing in an lpg powered van or car maybe?
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lee i got a r reg dispatch 1.9td so i can just fill right up, or does the tank have to be empty, as looked on google and there is loads of filling statison near me
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snap wrecked my astra van aswel, £700 pum went, just not worth it. Would be worth investing in an lpg powered van or car maybe?
it trashed my astravan i even had to pay to have the fuel tank taken off and cleaned out because it blocked it all up, dont bother with bio diesel your wasting your time honestly.
I've got a vauxhall combo dual fuel LPG 64p litre dirt cheap to run no way would i ever use bio crap in my van again
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lee i got a r reg dispatch 1.9td so i can just fill right up, or does the tank have to be empty, as looked on google and there is loads of filling statison near me
It doesn't matter if you mix it with normal diesel, put in as little or as much as you like. If you army sure go on the Peugeot forums and look, all the 406/306's have the same engine and there will be loads of info on there.
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i just been speaking to my mate, who use to run his transit van on a 50/50 mix of diesel and veg oil, said he never had any probs, just been petrol station and it is now 139 a litre, so minds made up now, going to get some later
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What is biodiesel?
It is NOT vegetable oil, it is NOT veg oil mixed with a few additives. Some diesel engines will run on pure veg oil, pretty much all diesels will run on biodiesel, common rail or not, PROVIDED it has been made properly. BUT they are completely different fuels. Some producers make poor quality fuel and flog it as 'biodiesel'. Put that in the wrong engine and it can muck it up big time.
Visit http://vegetableoildiesel.co.uk/forum, its a forum for people interested in biofuels, its got some very helpful and knowledgeable blokes on there, they can give you good advice about what you can run your particular engine on and how to make sure its good quality stuff.
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hi van am running is a v reg nissan cargo so its a old girl but been buying bio diesel from garage near what sell it from pump i had lpg before and it kept burning vavles out i have been told to change filter fairley often and a lad who does all work on my van said because its fairley old with basic engine it should run ok he said he would not put it in the newer vans
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where do you get bio diesel or straight veg oil from i would use it
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fish and chip shop ;D
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stright veg oil, from a cash and carry, use it 50/50 in your tank
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stright veg oil, from a cash and carry, use it 50/50 in your tank
does it work out much cheaper tho these days iv seen drums in tesco 15 lts for 13 quid not sure how much cheaper cash an carrys are
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ive been going to garage in burnley thats been selling it for years only been useing it for last couple of weeks it 99p a litre but with doing 800 miles a week its worth a try
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snap wrecked my astra van aswel, £700 pum went, just not worth it. Would be worth investing in an lpg powered van or car maybe?
it trashed my astravan i even had to pay to have the fuel tank taken off and cleaned out because it blocked it all up, dont bother with bio diesel your wasting your time honestly.
I've got a vauxhall combo dual fuel LPG 64p litre dirt cheap to run no way would i ever use bio crap in my van again
what sort of mpg do you get with lpg mate? its about 74p per litre here and thinking of getting combo just unsure if to go diesel or lpg?
thanks
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snap wrecked my astra van aswel, £700 pum went, just not worth it. Would be worth investing in an lpg powered van or car maybe?
it trashed my astravan i even had to pay to have the fuel tank taken off and cleaned out because it blocked it all up, dont bother with bio diesel your wasting your time honestly.
I've got a vauxhall combo dual fuel LPG 64p litre dirt cheap to run no way would i ever use bio crap in my van again
what sort of mpg do you get with lpg mate? its about 74p per litre here and thinking of getting combo just unsure if to go diesel or lpg?
thanks
i get about 30mpg out if it at 64p litre so about 60mpg at 128p which is how much petrol is round here, i had a 1.3 cdti combo and that only did about 43mpg average so savings are made with lpg
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Why don't you try converting to gas?
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stright veg oil, from a cash and carry, use it 50/50 in your tank
does it work out much cheaper tho these days iv seen drums in tesco 15 lts for 13 quid not sure how much cheaper cash an carrys are
thats cheap get it
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do they sell "red diesel" in uk filling stations? sold here in n.ire for agricultural use [iillegal for road use]
but its cheaper ...roughly70/80 pence per litre.......hence a lot of guys using it!!!
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do they sell "red diesel" in uk filling stations? sold here in n.ire for agricultural use [iillegal for road use]
but its cheaper ...roughly70/80 pence per litre.......hence a lot of guys using it!!!
yes theres one by me that sells it,75p a litre normally the country type fuel stations sell it,
anyone no what the fines are if caught with red in the tank
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i knew someone using red and got caught, they took his van, fined him over a grand, and estimated how much back tax he owed them and sent him a bill cost him an arm and a leg, not worth the risk
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thought they just took van off you didnt realise they give you a fine aswell ::) think i better use the road legal stuff :'(
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i have used veg oil in my van, stinks like a chip shop now ;D
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snap wrecked my astra van aswel, £700 pum went, just not worth it. Would be worth investing in an lpg powered van or car maybe?
it trashed my astravan i even had to pay to have the fuel tank taken off and cleaned out because it blocked it all up, dont bother with bio diesel your wasting your time honestly.
I've got a vauxhall combo dual fuel LPG 64p litre dirt cheap to run no way would i ever use bio crap in my van again
what sort of mpg do you get with lpg mate? its about 74p per litre here and thinking of getting combo just unsure if to go diesel or lpg?
thanks
i get about 30mpg out if it at 64p litre so about 60mpg at 128p which is how much petrol is round here, i had a 1.3 cdti combo and that only did about 43mpg average so savings are made with lpg
But you also need to consider that the 1.3cdti combo will be worth more price and desirability wise at the tail end of the day than an LPG conversion. Also the price of the conversion needs to be added to the equation. If the tank is situated inside, then valuable space is lost.
I will always remember in 2002 a customer of mine did an cost analysis of buying a new Citroen Picasso 1.8 petrol and coverting it to LPG and a straight Picasso Hdi diesel. He worked out that with cost of the cars and the price of petrol and diesel compared to LPG and their respective fuel consumption, he would only break even cost wise after 77k. In those days LPG fuel stations where not an numerous as they are today, so he also expected the break even mileage point to be higher as he could end up filling the tank and using petrol from time to time.
He also felt that the tank would take up the majority of his boot space and destroy any advantage gained usuability wise with the rear seats folded up.
Now I'm not sure about all vehicles, but certain engines fair better with LPG conversions than others. The Merc petrols have good conversion potential as do some Chysler engines, where the Jag petrol engine is not a good candidate. Ask a local executive taxi service of their experience.
Servicing an LPG converted vehicle also costs more as valve tappet clearances need to be checked and readjusted everytime. You also need to send the vehicle back to the LPG converted for an annual equipment check and recalibration if necessary - more expense.
I also believe that the Ford Transit LPG that you can buy from the factory is fitted with a special engine unique to that vehicle. It isn't the same as the petrol engine that would be fitted to their petrol engined cars for example.
Spruce.
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i ran bio diesel in one of my old vans and it f***ed it up big time, dont bother you will regret it, knackered diesel pump injectors blocked filters made the engine pour out smoke, it would struggle to start in the morning etc could go on all day,
dont bother you'll regret it
Was it from the garden centre down the A34 mate... they had a bad batch down there.
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i have used veg oil in my van, stinks like a chip shop now ;D
iv used it in mine 100% and when its cold takes longer to start engine and wouldnt go above 50 mph,its ok in summer but winter needs a mix with diesel
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snap wrecked my astra van aswel, £700 pum went, just not worth it. Would be worth investing in an lpg powered van or car maybe?
it trashed my astravan i even had to pay to have the fuel tank taken off and cleaned out because it blocked it all up, dont bother with bio diesel your wasting your time honestly.
I've got a vauxhall combo dual fuel LPG 64p litre dirt cheap to run no way would i ever use bio crap in my van again
what sort of mpg do you get with lpg mate? its about 74p per litre here and thinking of getting combo just unsure if to go diesel or lpg?
thanks
i get about 30mpg out if it at 64p litre so about 60mpg at 128p which is how much petrol is round here, i had a 1.3 cdti combo and that only did about 43mpg average so savings are made with lpg
But you also need to consider that the 1.3cdti combo will be worth more price and desirability wise at the tail end of the day than an LPG conversion. Also the price of the conversion needs to be added to the equation. If the tank is situated inside, then valuable space is lost.
I will always remember in 2002 a customer of mine did an cost analysis of buying a new Citroen Picasso 1.8 petrol and coverting it to LPG and a straight Picasso Hdi diesel. He worked out that with cost of the cars and the price of petrol and diesel compared to LPG and their respective fuel consumption, he would only break even cost wise after 77k. In those days LPG fuel stations where not an numerous as they are today, so he also expected the break even mileage point to be higher as he could end up filling the tank and using petrol from time to time.
He also felt that the tank would take up the majority of his boot space and destroy any advantage gained usuability wise with the rear seats folded up.
Now I'm not sure about all vehicles, but certain engines fair better with LPG conversions than others. The Merc petrols have good conversion potential as do some Chysler engines, where the Jag petrol engine is not a good candidate. Ask a local executive taxi service of their experience.
Servicing an LPG converted vehicle also costs more as valve tappet clearances need to be checked and readjusted everytime. You also need to send the vehicle back to the LPG converted for an annual equipment check and recalibration if necessary - more expense.
I also believe that the Ford Transit LPG that you can buy from the factory is fitted with a special engine unique to that vehicle. It isn't the same as the petrol engine that would be fitted to their petrol engined cars for example.
Spruce.
my combo is factory fit dual fuel which means its not some bodged together conversion and there is no loss of load space tank is underneath, the lpg vans are worth more than the diesel anyway there rare cheaper to run and free to enter the centre of london congestion zone, i've had a diesel van a combo 1.3 cdti and it cost me more to run i'm not saying this assuming things i know because i've had both,
not saying everyone should change to lpg buy a conversion etc but for me it works out cheaper.
yeah bluefrog was from there, they closed down it was in the paper it wrecked loads of cars/vans wasnt just a bad batch i foolishly kept filling up there and it trashed 4 of my old astravans. i would never ever ever put bio diesel veg oil wvo svo or whatever dog p people seem to penny pinch with and think there saving money,
good luck with the repairs bills