Clean It Up
UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: David Kent @ KentKleen on January 08, 2011, 09:54:36 pm
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God how many 'old' windies are way behind with there prices!!!!!
Bungalows £2.50
I charge £6.00
Whats going on lads, get your prices sorted your killing it for us newbies!!
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6.00 for a bungalow?
can see why your a newbie ;) :P
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how bigs my bungalow and where is it in the uk?
;) ;) ;) ;) 8)
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don't take anything on under a tenner thats the first lesson newbie. 8) :P
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don't take anything on under a tenner thats the first lesson newbie. 8) :P
I like that idea BUT......If it's a row of £5-£6 bungalows you can smash in one go you would?
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only if i bought them off a wc'er. they wouldn't stay that price for long after :)
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down buc's that might be acceptable but up north £6 is a good price for a bungalow.
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standard size bungalow with no porch or connie £6.00 good price up north, am i right or wrong? ???
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of course you could get more than 6 quid! you just need to sell 'the service' no problem!
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standard size bungalow with no porch or connie £6.00 good price up north, am i right or wrong? ???
They are doing to you, what you did in your original post.
There is no right answer.
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deffo sell yourself more than £6 mate. either that or move lol.
that damn avatar :P
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Don't think the southerners realize how grim it is up north at time, and doleies and scroungers still doing it at Margaret Thatcher prices, thats early 80's . in good parts of middlesbrough typical 3 bedroom semis done for £2.50, they do 20 a day and get £50 cash in hand and think they are millionares, the dole or familly tax credit keeps them going. One lad I know has 680 houses a month at £3 each, declares £96 a week and and gets £320 a week of tax credits and fiddles over £1600 a month and takes home the equivalent of £800 a week.
and he wont get undercut at £3 a house.
Whats the solution ?
idealrob
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i think youll find that most of these guys that say dont do owt for less than a tenner , have to charge that cos they spend more time driving about , looking for a parking spot , getting gear out , just to do a load of stand alone jobs. unlike a lot of windys who park up once a day and do a street in one day .(a proper round)
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i think youll find that most of these guys that say dont do owt for less than a tenner , have to charge that cos they spend more time driving about , looking for a parking spot , getting gear out , just to do a load of stand alone jobs. unlike a lot of windys who park up once a day and do a street in one day .(a proper round)
I've done compact and I've done stand alones - both over a long time.
My experience is that price has little to do with it - at least in the south.
So I might as well charge a decent rate.
Another problem I found wih work being very compact is that if you get one or two customers always messing you about, it's harder to drop them.
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standard size bungalow with no porch or connie £6.00 good price up north, am i right or wrong? ???
you are wrong should be 10
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Why such a price difference?
Salaries can't be that different can they?
Price of house should make no difference to the cost of the clean!!
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its the cost of livimg down south, everything is so much more expensive, charge what you want, if your happy and the customer is then so be it, well done if you can charge £20 for a oap bungalow im proud of you, well done if you charge £6 im also proud of you. ;D
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Why such a price difference?
Salaries can't be that different can they?
Price of house should make no difference to the cost of the clean!!
It's not just the wage difference, it;s what the customers think is the going rate.
people know what their family pay, and if someones doing them for £4.00, you must be a right rip off merchant if your charging a tenner.
It's ok saying they won't last, but some of them are older guys perfectly happy to carry on.
The average guy can never compete with an old shiner, who paid his mortgage off years ago and is drawing his pension. I'm in this bracket so could beat anyone on price, and still have more disposable income at the end of the week because I have no debts.
A newbie trying to compete with old Joe is on a loser from the start, he has far too many outgoings, simply needs so much more to live on, but that's what some are trying to do, and it's holding prices down. They have to wisen up or they will go down too, even quicker with the millstone of outgoings they have around their neck.
I just want a decent fair price for the work I do, and do less of it.
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Don't think the southerners realize how grim it is up north at time, and doleies and scroungers still doing it at Margaret Thatcher prices, thats early 80's . in good parts of middlesbrough typical 3 bedroom semis done for £2.50, they do 20 a day and get £50 cash in hand and think they are millionares, the dole or familly tax credit keeps them going. One lad I know has 680 houses a month at £3 each, declares £96 a week and and gets £320 a week of tax credits and fiddles over £1600 a month and takes home the equivalent of £800 a week.
and he wont get undercut at £3 a house.
Whats the solution ?grass the scum bag up . its your taxes hes taking
idealrob
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Why such a price difference?
Salaries can't be that different can they?
Price of house should make no difference to the cost of the clean!!
It's not just the wage difference, it;s what the customers think is the going rate.
people know what their family pay, and if someones doing them for £4.00, you must be a right rip off merchant if your charging a tenner.
Spot on, Dai.
And what`s funny is, some wc`ers are exactly the same about other goods and services.
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I would never undersell myself my average is tenner plus
For a bungalow I have a few at 12 and 13 wouldn't do them for 6.
But if you think 6 is good then fair play to you.
I find if you get your prices right you won't feel you have to put,them up so quick.
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Here here idealrob and dai!!!
I am not saying all my bungalows are that price ( :)) but the average size that i charge £6 for have been getting cleaned by a 2 man team(another company) for the last 20 years and there current price is £2.50, it makes it incredibly hard even tho IMO they are getting a much better service for us newbies to charge better prices.
I am not worried, I have more than enough work at good prices.
I just wanted to show that its not just 'newbies' that charge too low some of the old time served window cleaners are well behind the times.
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Would be interesting to hear what Suds has to say on the subject, he's from Middlesborugh, im sure his prices aint to diffirent from down south
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We've just started putting up most of our prices, we have an estate where we do 84 houses and have increased the basic price from £8 to £10. I had 6 phone calls on Friday from people complaining about the price increase, two cancelled because they had been approached by another window cleaner (newbie) who offered to do them for £5.00!!!
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I would never undersell myself my average is tenner plus
For a bungalow I have a few at 12 and 13 wouldn't do them for 6.
But if you think 6 is good then fair play to you.
I find if you get your prices right you won't feel you have to put,them up so quick.
Fair play to you doc, but it`s more to do with the customers` idea of a price. If a customer expects to pay £2.50 or £6 and you quote £12, then it`s going to set the alarm bells ringing.
I`m not saying either price is right or wrong.
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Im sure dave from suds will confirm the amount of 'cheap' window cleaners we 'up north' have to contend with trippy.
I also know that idealrob has one of the largest window cleaning outfits in the boro and is well qualified to comment on the problem (check out his post) Rob highlights another constant battle we face (old timers and newbies with ladders fastened to there push bikes wearing shell suit bottoms with old white trainers on cleaning for next to nothing and claiming every benefit they can)
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Ian I know where you are coming from mate, I am in the middle of cleaning (builders cleans) a new development in redcar. 179 houses, some of these have been released and now have people living in them, a new tennant approached me and said she would like to have her windows cleaned. I gave the price of 7.50 (2 bed semi) she fell through the floor, She thought i was the guy who had put leaflets through offering to clean for £3.50.
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£10 is the minimum we charge weather its got 2 windows or or 8 thats the price and we,ve been doing that for the past two years at the end of the day i,m doing it to earn a living ! not to just get the clean and be a busy fool, them days went many years ago.
To me it is and always has been the quality of the work that counts and not the ammount.
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can,t get more than 4.50 on a bungalow in leeds..some people must think old folks are made of money!
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if you can't get more than a tenner then your in the wrong game. i know northeners are as tight as a ducks arse but if you have the right approach i'm sure it can be done
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what happened to £1 a window thats what most seem to go on,a standard bung has 4-5 windows so why is £6 to cheap ???,just cus some folk dont charge a tenner doesnt mean your in the wrong business,4-5 windows aint even going take 10 mins so at them prices you are on £60 an hour
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what happened to £1 a window thats what most seem to go on,a standard bung has 4-5 windows so why is £6 to cheap ???,just cus some folk dont charge a tenner doesnt mean your in the wrong business,4-5 windows aint even going take 10 mins so at them prices you are on £60 an hour
the argument was you couldn't get 10 as a minimum. We have plenty of cheap wc'ers round here to
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I charge £1 per window but with a minimum price of £6. Works for me.
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I am in the South and minimum is £12 - it is a different world up north though with prices of everything,
Example: I was in Hartlepool the other day and a house that would cost £215,000 down here is £70,000 up there (3 bed terrace), that same house for rent up there is £400 and down here more like £900.
As i said its a different world.
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I am in the South and minimum is £12 - it is a different world up north though with prices of everything,
Example: I was in Hartlepool the other day and a house that would cost £215,000 down here is £70,000 up there (3 bed terrace), that same house for rent up there is £400 and down here more like £900.
As i said its a different world.
exactly mate,thats why i dont agree with people telling others what to charge as everywhere is different
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If these "oldies" are making a living, ie mortgage/rent is getting paid etc etc, then whats the problem?
Some guys need £50 a day to get by, while others need £150.
In some areas I work there are guys doing bungalows for £4, while I charge more and vise versa. There are more windows than window cleaners, so if you are making a nice living (and most are), then I really cant see why what the problem is.
Are house prices really THAT cheap oop north?!
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It seems to me there have as this thread progressed been some more realistic responses. This isn't about 'oldies', this is about either 'dolies' or marketing skills, strategy and confidence. There are custards down here in the south who will only have cheap-as-chips window cleaners, so dont work for them.
Get out there and market yourself. Its your responsibility, so what if someone wants to do it for pocket-money, that isnt limited to the north, theres a fireman down here does it for thalf the price I do. I get a call, the custard says matey hasnt been round in ages I say I charge twice what he does. Theyre generally happy to pay the extra because half-a-job-bob aint worth nought.
This is simply a numbers game, get out there and eventually youll build a round of worthy custards, the others can sink with their bodgit-n-scarper ladder monkey.
How do you know they are getting all these benefits? Have you been told either by them or the dole office? Or is this something you imagine they are doing because you cant get by on what they are?
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It seems to me there have as this thread progressed been some more realistic responses. This isn't about 'oldies', this is about either 'dolies' or marketing skills, strategy and confidence. There are custards down here in the south who will only have cheap-as-chips window cleaners, so dont work for them.
Get out there and market yourself. Its your responsibility, so what if someone wants to do it for pocket-money, that isnt limited to the north, theres a fireman down here does it for thalf the price I do. I get a call, the custard says matey hasnt been round in ages I say I charge twice what he does. Theyre generally happy to pay the extra because half-a-job-bob aint worth nought.
This is simply a numbers game, get out there and eventually youll build a round of worthy custards, the others can sink with their bodgit-n-scarper ladder monkey.
How do you know they are getting all these benefits? Have you been told either by them or the dole office? Or is this something you imagine they are doing because you cant get by on what they are?
and thats what its all about!
don't undersell yourself
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Explain why if wfp. Better results.environmentally friendly
Sills and frames cleaned every time.
If they want theres done cheap by somebody let them.
You run a all year round service and a professional business with insurances etc
Sell yourself
I would never undersell myself my average is tenner plus
For a bungalow I have a few at 12 and 13 wouldn't do them for 6.
But if you think 6 is good then fair play to you.
I find if you get your prices right you won't feel you have to put,them up so quick.
Fair play to you doc, but it`s more to do with the customers` idea of a price. If a customer expects to pay £2.50 or £6 and you quote £12, then it`s going to set the alarm bells ringing.
I`m not saying either price is right or wrong.
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It seems to me there have as this thread progressed been some more realistic responses. This isn't about 'oldies', this is about either 'dolies' or marketing skills, strategy and confidence. There are custards down here in the south who will only have cheap-as-chips window cleaners, so dont work for them.
Get out there and market yourself. Its your responsibility, so what if someone wants to do it for pocket-money, that isnt limited to the north, theres a fireman down here does it for thalf the price I do. I get a call, the custard says matey hasnt been round in ages I say I charge twice what he does. Theyre generally happy to pay the extra because half-a-job-bob aint worth nought.
This is simply a numbers game, get out there and eventually youll build a round of worthy custards, the others can sink with their bodgit-n-scarper ladder monkey.
How do you know they are getting all these benefits? Have you been told either by them or the dole office? Or is this something you imagine they are doing because you cant get by on what they are?
and thats what its all about!
don't undersell yourself
undersell is what some window cleaners do all the time
beside the handful of tight customers, its the window cleaners fault he gave then the price in the first place
look at all the post asking about how much for this job
how do you price commercials
charge more for bigger houses (thats my favorite ;D)
my rate is the same for all buildings, they just take different amounts of time to clean
I dont just blame the oldies, you blame those who carnt price
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£6 for a bungalow? For the front, back & sides, i'd charge from 10 to £15 here in London. Couldn't i get that much in Kent?
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how can anyone say 6 quid or 10 quid for a bungi . without seeing em . i do a row of oap bungis 4 windows . 2 front 2 back . anyone wanna geuss how much . your minimum charge wont work on them . the way you should look at it is . is it worth stopping for 10 cheap bungis next to each other . if i had a minimum charge of a tenner a job i would earn £200 an hour on this work . ialso trad these but dont need a pointer
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Barry, a lot of guys here earn that every hour dont you know :D
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you are jokin aint ya mate £6 for a bung wat planet are you on £10 is standard price but all depends on how many windows there are i think newbies are killing the business get a grip man
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who me ???
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pop up here and try and get £10 for a 'standard' bungalow and you would be out of business.
I do sell my services very well thankyou.
Read my original post.
I am happy charging £6.00 as thats MY going rate for one.
I am not happy with people charging £2.50
I have nothing against them I was just getting my point across that 'Its not always Newbies that can kill prices in an area'
As regarding the 'dolies' yes I know of 2 in my area who claim 'everything going' and clean windows for £2.50 an hour!!!!!! Working for someone else, abit of beer money as they put it.
Whether it be a newbie or an oldie cheap prices do not do the trade any good at all.
I understand that people have different amounts per day that they are happy with but why charge so low and become a very very busy fool.....?
With the right price they could work half a day for the same money...!
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pop up here and try and get £10 for a 'standard' bungalow and you would be out of business.
I do sell my services very well thankyou.
Read my original post.
I am happy charging £6.00 as thats MY going rate for one.
I am not happy with people charging £2.50
I have nothing against them I was just getting my point across that 'Its not always Newbies that can kill prices in an area'
As regarding the 'dolies' yes I know of 2 in my area who claim 'everything going' and clean windows for £2.50 an hour!!!!!! Working for someone else, abit of beer money as they put it.
Whether it be a newbie or an oldie cheap prices do not do the trade any good at all.
I understand that people have different amounts per day that they are happy with but why charge so low and become a very very busy fool.....?
With the right price they could work half a day for the same money...!
your right about cheap prices thats why you need to charge a tenner minimum. 6 quid is to cheap
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too cheap for down south just right up here IMO ;)
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how can anyone say 6 quid or 10 quid for a bungi . without seeing em . i do a row of oap bungis 4 windows . 2 front 2 back . anyone wanna geuss how much. your minimum charge wont work on them . the way you should look at it is . is it worth stopping for 10 cheap bungis next to each other . if i had a minimum charge of a tenner a job i would earn £200 an hour on this work . ialso trad these but dont need a pointer
how much are your bungs then barry
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Would be interesting to hear what Suds has to say on the subject, he's from Middlesborugh, im sure his prices aint to diffirent from down south
Stockton on tees mate. we have prices right across the spectrum we do a day of bungalows all cheap really ranging from £5 to £8 point is they all go into making a day rate that we need to operate.
in time and a lot of moulding these prices will rise, we do however keep an average price of £10 for all the work we have on the books.
bottom line is to target the areas where you can get £10 per bungalow they are out there even in the north. and to prove it i,ll get one this week....no to prove its not a fluke i.ll get two.
regards David (its not that grim up north) suds.
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davy lad! ;)
got a few £10 bungalows myself (even a 12.50) just couldnt believe a 20yr old round had £2.50 bungalows.
Even the dolies charge more
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So we go from it can't be achieved. To someone saying it can to then the op saying he has a few of them.
You just couldn't write it could ya. ;D
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I don’t think prices should be bases on the 1 £ a window only. Which I also use as a guide but I have a turn up charge to pay for petrol and the costs just to arrive at a custies home. This arrival cost is I charge for difficult to reach windows. I also believe if you have houses in a compact street that prices should discounted as you needed to canvas each one of them. This sort of compact round is called profit..Do you think Tesco would charge less for beer because the sold a lot on one day. ;) ;) ;D ;D
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I find that the £1.00 a window charge is pretty generous. It certainly covers all expenses and leaves a very generous sum after that.
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There is some proper chancers though,(customers) i was canvassing a bungalow road last week and gave a bloke a price of £8,pretty large 3 bed jobbie and the windows were quite high in places so A frame would be needed on most of em."well my last WC did the frames aswell for a £5?!" Wheres he now then mate? i asked,"err well he didnt come back"
I wonder why!
Didnt get it as he wouldnt budge,i wouldnt get out the van for a penny less than £7 down there.
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So we go from it can't be achieved. To someone saying it can to then the op saying he has a few of them.
You just couldn't write it could ya. ;D
yes of course it can be achieved the longer kent has his business the more he will refine it just like you probably have.
its a long learning curve when you reach the end of it you can enlighten us all.
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Hi Suds,
there are some real rundown Council Estates in Stockton, especially heading toward Norton.
Judging by the state of the place, I don't believe many would even bother with window cleaning.
So the only way one could get better pricing is to look to cleaning in better, more up market areas.
We have a fair bit of work in Skelton, and the problem we face is the perception among the public is that a 3 bed semi is £6 to £6.50 to clean. Cleaning in Guisborough is better priced, but the place is teaming with window cleaners.
Hourly rate is not always what you charge per house. I have been told of a window cleaner who only does the fronts of a couple of streets of town houses. 1 upstairs window, 1 downstairs window and door for £2.00. But he does most of the houses, ie about 40 and finishes them in a couple of hours. That's a magic hourly rate for up here. Not worth canvassing that area - one would pick up a couple but not worth the effort.
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thing is with some of you guys(mentioning no names!)that say "nothing under a tenner" yet moan about being on the "bones of ya arse financially" at times!!
ive got lots and lots of very compact work under a tenner and i make a half decent living and im never skint!!
also i have a very good cashflow most of the time.
if some guy wants to charge cheaper than you and keep his round very compact with less chance of other window cleaners having a slice then it makes good business sense IMO.
obviously if their doleys/scroungers that are charging crazily low prices they should be reported.
regards
dazmond
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jackal , they are £3 each . takes me half an hour. next to each other , dont need the pointer . just pull up get bucket out . they pay for each other . if i could do these bungis all day every day . i would be on about £500 a day , thats blown the £10 minimum charge out of the window
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I never said it couldnt be achieved, if you where to come up here and canvassed every AVERAGE size bungalow for a tenner YOU WOULD be out of business!!!!! ;)
I think spruce has summed it up very nicely.
My original post was about 'OLDIES' killing the job.
I was highlighting that alot of long well established windies CAN cause the same problems as underpriced 'newbies'.
I AM still a newbie, this week is the first week of my second year back window cleaning after a long break from it. (wish i had never gone)
Looking on George my overall rounds average is £9.50 which for where i live is good enough for me!
If your prices are alot higher down south then thats good for you, with your higher cost of living.
I also have all my round within 2 miles of my home (with the exception of a handfull) so again I am not travelling miles from job to job.
Have a good day everyone :D
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Don't think the southerners realize how grim it is up north at time, and doleies and scroungers still doing it at Margaret Thatcher prices, thats early 80's . in good parts of middlesbrough typical 3 bedroom semis done for £2.50, they do 20 a day and get £50 cash in hand and think they are millionares, the dole or familly tax credit keeps them going. One lad I know has 680 houses a month at £3 each, declares £96 a week and and gets £320 a week of tax credits and fiddles over £1600 a month and takes home the equivalent of £800 a week.
and he wont get undercut at £3 a house.
Whats the solution ?
idealrob
Report him, I would. I hate people who are on the fiddle because in the end its ME who's paying their benefits. There seems to be a culture in some parts that this is acceptable behaviour, even a bit Robin Hood like but not to me. They are scum and should be shown up for what they really are.
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am i an oldie im 45 ;D
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My mate John lived in a house about a mile from me. He was there for 14 years. When he went there the window cleaner charged £4, when he left (two years ago )the same window cleaner was still charging £4. Typical price today £14-15
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Hi Suds,
there are some real rundown Council Estates in Stockton, especially heading toward Norton.
Judging by the state of the place, I don't believe many would even bother with window cleaning.
So the only way one could get better pricing is to look to cleaning in better, more up market areas.
We have a fair bit of work in Skelton, and the problem we face is the perception among the public is that a 3 bed semi is £6 to £6.50 to clean. Cleaning in Guisborough is better priced, but the place is teaming with window cleaners.
Hourly rate is not always what you charge per house. I have been told of a window cleaner who only does the fronts of a couple of streets of town houses. 1 upstairs window, 1 downstairs window and door for £2.00. But he does most of the houses, ie about 40 and finishes them in a couple of hours. That's a magic hourly rate for up here. Not worth canvassing that area - one would pick up a couple but not worth the effort.
that's mostly a misconception Stockton has its share of larger council estates like any other town . however it has large sweeps of private suburban housing estates like hartburn and fairfield and others.
ingleby barwick on the out skirts is the largest new estate in Europe.
i find its a fantastic place to run a window cleaning business in fact 100k turnover on domestic cleaning is achievable no problem.
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Where i live its around £7.50 but houses are starting at £9.50.
Iv heard that some people clean for £4.00 a house. thats pathetic.
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took me all day to clean the £2.50 bungalow today ;)
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HI David
Good post
I do belive that pricing is in general more of our problem in our mind than the customers.
When i give a price i take a step back giving the impression that i dont need the work, i dont so i am in the postion to pick and choose the work i want.
Dont work hard work smart ;D ;D ;D
Regards Oliver Rise & Shine Cleaning
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Pricing has a lot to do with self worth. Some guys just do not believe they are worth the fee they could charge. The fear to tell a customers about you price increase just proves this fact. Its a poor self image. I am been brash again but the facts need to be faced up to and lets not girl thingyfoot around it. "Fear will rob you of your worth"one needs balls to be in business.Many of us have no business we are just self employed. ??? ???
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Pricing has a lot to do with self worth. Some guys just do not believe they are worth the fee they could charge. The fear to tell a customers about you price increase just proves this fact. Its a poor self image. I am been brash again but the facts need to be faced up to and lets not girl thingyfoot around it. "Fear will rob you of your worth"one needs balls to be in business.Many of us have no business we are just self employed. ??? ???
I agree with you completely here. I struggle with self-confidence, and as such, even after almost 14 years in the game, still find it very difficult to increase my prices for fear of losing good customers. This year I have resolved to increase my lowest priced work to what it should be. I do so with some trepidation nevertheless.
John.
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God how many 'old' windies are way behind with there prices!!!!!
Bungalows £2.50
I charge £6.00
Whats going on lads, get your prices sorted your killing it for us newbies!!
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yu have got it wrong mate iys the new window cleaners that r under pricing jobs
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Interesting post this. Grass up everyone who is supspected being on the fiddle, get everyone to price similar. Then, when everyones on an equal footing, report the miserable cleaners to the attitude police !!! There'll be more ways to rid of competition i'm sure ;D
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I'm 52, but look and think like 42. I have houses that are £25 and ones that are £10. I even have a few that are over £50. But as I said earlier in the post my min charge is £6. If your over 65 and semi-retired then I would imagine charging a bit less is fine.
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Get a mortgage on your own and you definitely won't be working for peanut prices or you'll go bust, simple ;D
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Putting your prices up is brilliant. you just need to be brave.
if you clean 100 houses at £10 each you make £1000.
put your price up by £1 a house you make £1100.
even if you lost 10% of your customers, you'd still bring in £990, but have 10% more time, and make more profit as you're doing less work and lower overheads. in your spare time you can canvas for more clients at your new prices.
in reality, you wont loose anything like 10% of your clients. you may loose a couple, but they are likely to be the customers who are a pain anyhow. the ones who defer cleans, or are complainers.
also, once your customers are used to you raising prices you can do it every year.
just need to have the balls to do it... ;D
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I feel all prices should not all be the same but the difference between the highest and the lowest is too vast. The problem with the window cleaning industry is the big difference in business knowledge and understanding. Every one wants there say and opinion which they are entitled too. But it’s not always correct. This forum could be a great tool to educate our industry if this could only been seen in this light. Due to mistrust and suspicion this forum will never reach its full potential
Some fellow on this forum share knowledge happily.
Some do share at all.
Some shear bad knowledge purposefully as the do not want to help anybody as the feel threatened by others.
The problem is knowing which is which.
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I think the under pricing is an inbuilt protection system in the unsure window cleaner (also the contented one)
Dai's post was a great one.
Steve Cm please put up your prices as they are to cheap.
Matt B I thought £1 was per pane not window, opps :D
Used to live up north and some of the prices are wildly under priced, but that is the same as down south, there will always be cheap window cleaners everywhere, I guess we get to choose which type we want to be.