Clean It Up
UK Floor Cleaning Forum => Carpet Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: Mike Halliday on December 29, 2010, 05:34:51 pm
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I've been as guilty as anyone for calling bonnet cleaning 'muck spreading' insinuating that bonnet cleaning doesn't remove dirt but just spreads it around so the overall the carpet looks cleaner
but for anyone else who believes this to be true watch this video i filmed to day and try and work out where the dirt was spread to ??? ???
this was office reception and was grafted, there was no no pre-spray just straight across with the bonnet spraying chemspecs DFC..... not a bad result ;) ;)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQ74652SOac
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Mike,
Is that an op machine? If so what difference do you think OP makes over an ordinary rotary?
Is DFC an encap solution?
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Mike another good video. like the op machine your using there with the jets on the front. stays on the wheels bit like cutting the grass a lot less bother than a hover. oops rotary
Results are good but slow have played with that method myself with purclean i use this method now
1 good vac/rake
2 mix warm pureclean pour it into rotowash R4 about 5 litres spray agitate in one go any crap is picked up by the roller at the same time when it comes in contact with the drum scraper.
Then i switch to the rotary place pad on a plastic tray pour about 3 cups of boiling water from kettle on to pad no chemical needed on pad. then cover 12 to 20m2 depending on soiling then flip it over change for a new pad no wringer for me.
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Andrew it is an ops machine I bought it from solutionsUK I think they are going to start selling these.
I think it does a better job than a rotory and is easier to use.
DFC is Chemspecs Microsplitter (like pureclean).
steve it was a bit slow on this section becuase it was very bad on the rest of the office it only required a single pass...but your process seems to be quite a slow method
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Yep cant argue with that not the quickest method but the results are the best i have had this way.
clean a large hotel entrance like this every 3 months h/w/e once a year. they are so pleased with the results i now have to do the hallways, gonna be like that bridge where you get to the end and start again ;D
Only got the job because there nilfisk machine broke :o right place right time
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Looks dead easy to use but why is it so heavy?
Shaun
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It looks very impressive, partly because you are mopping up the prespray that made it look a lot darker than when dry. I would send that on a DVD to businesses. Watermarks are another great one to do.
Let's just be honest about it though, you ARE spreading it about and you ARE not cleaning deep down. The amount of poo that comes off the pads may look impressive but it's not that much really. Does it look good, is it quick and cheap? Yes, Yes Yes. Do you have happy clients who come back? Certainly. There's no need to try a justify padding as a pure extraction system though.
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It looks very impressive, partly because you are mopping up the prespray that made it look a lot darker than when dry. I would send that on a DVD to businesses. Watermarks are another great one to do.
Let's just be honest about it though, you ARE spreading it about and you ARE not cleaning deep down. The amount of poo that comes off the pads may look impressive but it's not that much really. Does it look good, is it quick and cheap? Yes, Yes Yes. Do you have happy clients who come back? Certainly. There's no need to try a justify padding as a pure extraction system though.
i don't understand what you are saying..... I've highlighted the confusing points.
when i do the first pass down the centre either side is dry, how is mopping up prespray involved to create the difference? where is the dirt spread to? I don't pass over any carpet that is not soiled.
your post makes no sense ??? ???
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shaun sorry missed your question, its heavy because every bit of it is chunky big slices of metal, its hard to see but they have gone overboard on the frame :-\
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Did you pre vac Mike?
On a low pro like that I have out cleaned A TM several times.
all that is happening is that the dry soil is being absorbed in 1 fiftieth of the moisture as a TM. A Tm on this type of carpet cannot possbly be cleaning much deeper , as the carpet pile that is flattened is rarely deeper than 5mm.
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Going to Cornwall next week if you have any recommendations I'll pass them on.
Shaun
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shaun, the jets drip constantly :( :( so if you leave it standing in one place it leaves a damp patch.
the powercord gets trapped when lowering the drive plate.
Jason, no pre-vac
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It looks very impressive, partly because you are mopping up the prespray that made it look a lot darker than when dry. I would send that on a DVD to businesses. Watermarks are another great one to do.
Let's just be honest about it though, you ARE spreading it about and you ARE not cleaning deep down. The amount of poo that comes off the pads may look impressive but it's not that much really. Does it look good, is it quick and cheap? Yes, Yes Yes. Do you have happy clients who come back? Certainly. There's no need to try a justify padding as a pure extraction system though.
i don't understand what you are saying..... I've highlighted the confusing points.
when i do the first pass down the centre either side is dry, how is mopping up prespray involved to create the difference? where is the dirt spread to? I don't pass over any carpet that is not soiled.
your post makes no sense ??? ???
Apologies
I did not read the last line about not using a prespray on the rest of the carpet. And yes that makes it even more remarkable result. It just proves how cleaning just a bit of dirt of the surface of a carpet can produce such dramatic visual results. ;D
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Thats why its quick mike no vac you get away with it with the tm but i reckon it was all the grit in the carpet and on the pad that cleaned that not the machine or chems ;D
Most cleaners use henrys on the carpet surprised me the amount of grit in the rotowash tray when emptying out thats after the sebo criss cross clean i do.
The STPP Chem also needs time after agitation 5 to 10 mins IMO to get good results.
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well i can't work out where all the dirt has gone!!! whats the answer then? ;D
maybe its been pushed down into the 5 mm of carpet?
its certainly not all on that one little pad, thats for sure.
truckmount, bonnet dry, job done.
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Let's say that with a TM you would use 70 gal of pre spray and hwe, but with the same area you use 1 gallon of prespray with a pad would it safe to say that LM used 1/70th less moisture I'm sure pads could absorb that much?
Encapsulation is something completely different and may be better, Mike have you tried John Kelly's new solution?
Shaun
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Shaun theres 3 which one have you used, and whats your thoughts?
using seldon but almost out
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Used all 3 found (as you should) that the more powerful was better think it was more concentrated but if even there was a chemical made for that OP machine Mike has it's that! it works better when you get straight ontop of it not when you let it dwell.
Shaun
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O/P cleaning has been an advancement in carpet cleaning, having evolved from rotary cleaning, which evolved from scrubbing rugs on knees or immersing in rivers.
The latest machines have higher speed reciprocation and products developed specifically for O/P'ing which clean vey effectively indeed and with less energy consumption or water usage.
Soil is removed - as we all know - by taking out 80% through vacuuming. The remaining soil is what's attached to carpet fibres and is either removed by pads or encapsulated in a non sticky, crystallised solution and removed by dry vacuuming.
Owners of truck mounted machines in the US and Canada have looked closely at the results and apparently many are going over to O/P cleaning as their first choice.
Why would you, or your customers want tens of gallons of water blasted into their carpets at high pressure with the obvious potential for damage from trailing hoses, leaking or rubbing against valuable items and requiring doors to be open with security risks, when the same result can be achieved quietly and with minimum disruption.
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I have the same machine as Mike and I have to say, it amazes me every time.
Just before Christmas I thought I'd use it at a hotel for agitation with the appropriate pad, the manager came to see what I was doing and was shocked to see the pattern of the carpet re-appearing after all these years. I reckon I could have walked away with a satisfied customer at that point...
But I had to acid rinse the carpet via HWE, which left the guy even more astounded and a contract to clean the whole hotel....
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Did you get it from solutions colin?Is it heavy etc as looks cumbersome?Do you prefer it rather than a buffer mate
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It's OK Clinton you don't have to have a picture of it over your shoulder to prove your a hard man. ;D
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Wynne ;D
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Colin Mike what's the cost and weight and is the machine a prototype?
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It's OK Clinton you don't have to have a picture of it over your shoulder to prove your a hard man. ;D
beats having to climb up it though ;D
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Hey it's not how big your equipment is, it's how you use it. Isn't that what Simon told you? ;D
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Mark,
I dont think its a prototype! i saw them on a american website!
http://hos-usa.com/products/index.html
They do one with a heater as well!
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I am wondering at what speed it's running...looks so slow ::)
Well done Mike
Emil
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I think the handle has been copied, infact the machine has been copied as all machine ideas are but Nick is trying to make and sell them at a more affordable (less than half imported) prices, it was mentioned to look out Feb but depends how busy he gets, I'd like to go and see him when I go down on Tuesday.
Shaun
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HERE IT IS
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MdixNM7ju2w
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What Mike and Colin have is not a HOS. They are a US made machine and imported - with the usual high costs.
What Solutions are doing is developing a machine for the UK market, and Mike and Colin appear to have 2 pre production units that look pretty much the final item. As with anything else - the machine is one part of the equation - the cleaning fluid is also a major part.
I can be assumed that the price, as Shaun says, will be lower then an imported OP machine.
I have used a HOS on an actual job, it is heavy but does a good job. If the Solutions machine is as well made I reckon it will last ages and ages.
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i still cant see it doing a good deep clean , you can do the same with a quick hover and presray and a carpet rake - move the dirt around like ;D
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Have you used LM regularly? I'm a dedicated TMer but LM would clean 75% of carpets very well and equal to my TM but what it can't do is rinse, rinse is not the be all and end all but HWE if used properly will offer more ie clean and rinse so if you have urine or vomit or blood in a carpet (with in reason) then LM may remove some of the staining but HWE will go further (Jason will probably tick me off now!)
I use both systems I would love an OP machine but the cost for something I haven't properly used is too much to import one and also weight of it may be another reason hopefully Nick may find a way of lightening it off a bit.
Shaun
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hopefully Nick may find a way of lightening it off a bit.
Shaun are you talking in lbs or £££ ;D
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I did a commercial recently low profile tiles which were very dirty it was a large area so decided it would be perfect for rotary method, i tried two different chemicals to see which was best M power and Prochem Pure Clean.
The results were ok ! in the areas where chairs had been the soiling was heavier, i was not able to remove all the soiling no matter how much i tried, and was very dissapointed that when i ran a white cloth across the area it came up filthy not just once but everytime ???
i repeated the rotary even using it dry in the end but made no difference :P
I started with a thorough vacuum, presprayed, agitated with Gen 4 then used the rotary, like other i have seen amazing visual results but i did not find that the muck that came out of the bucket was anywhere near what would have came out with HWE, if a customer had seen the cloth after wiping the floor "after" cleaning he would probably have not paid the bill :(
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It's dust.
Under chairs is the worst for it.
Henry doesn't move chairs when he vacs.