Clean It Up
UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: andrewwebb1 on December 27, 2010, 10:56:57 am
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What set up do you think is best for speed but still good results?
Hot v Cold System
Mono brush v Flocked
Fan jets v Pencil
and also which pole do you think allows you to work the quickest.
There must be a combination of all these factors that allows someone to work the most efficiently with good results, or does it not make much difference.
Andy.
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Theres one hell of a lot of combo's to this - and some of it's down to personal preference and your body build.
not used hot so no comment.
but fans over pencils dual trim mono brush ( gardiners ) aqua daptor - 100 psi pump - variflow controller
carbon fibre pole (gardiners)
but speed is not the be all end all
Darran
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Hmmm. Massive tank so high flow rate for rinsing speed. Hot. Light carbon pole. With the high flow fans would be good.
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Have fixed reels in your van if possible would speed you up no end as you don't have to keep lumping them in and out. I don't use the pole hose, i have 3 inches sticking out the bottom of the pole then plug the microbore on then that goes up the pole when extended, saves a lot of time not having to pack up the pole hose, i also use a cordless drill to wind up the hose reel, they all save little bits of time which add up at the end of the day.
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Lee, any chance of some info on how you have set your hose reel up. I am planning to mount the reel in the roof of the van over the hols and use a drill to turn it. I tried this before but very quickly it ate through the plastic hex nut and wore it round on the spindle. Have you managed to get over this somehow? Cheers.
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lee do u have a pic of ur pole?, as i like that idea
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I use my pole just like lee, Its a million times better than having meters and meters of pole hose dragging around, I got the idea off jef temperly (something like that), he posted some pics, will see if i can find them.
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here you go, here are some pics, I origionaly used it with tap on brush head, But now I use it with an aqua-dapter, works a treat. http://www.cleanitup.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=100776.20
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Hmmm. Massive tank so high flow rate for rinsing speed. Hot. Light carbon pole. With the high flow fans would be good.
Exactly, well almost.
Hot,very high flow, carbon 22-25', fans, scrub and rinse on in one movement, electric rewind onto quality well positioned reels fixed inside the vehicle, and don't start me on the 3yr advantage things ;D
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Clive are you saying if you have the flow high enough then effectively you are rinsing at the same time as scrubbing?
Not having a go just curious, I've thought of working along those
liines myself but still have the habit of rinsing.
Matt
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High flow does rinse as you clean because so much more pours down through the brush. You need a big tank because even though you're quicker, not necessarily quick enough to make up for the high flow.
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More or less but common sense prevails, sometimes i take longer and scrubb harder.I use warm water and this gives fewer complaints.Even helpers on the first day seldom get complaints.I do have a very high flow. With one helper but not recently we ran out a few times (800l tank 6 hours).
I'm on a meter and i think the water costs about £2 a day.Gas £2.What i get is speed- or as much as my failing body can take.As you know i have the untouchable black pearl of the CIU fleet and some say 2013(apparently) plates
For me this was always the debate with Jeff Brimble, i admire what he can achieve with so little water, but earnings are key for me and the more work the system does and the less i do the better.
As for having a go i've just had a seven page battering on the other side about the twaddle that i talk, so i shouldn't worry ;D
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higher flow rate does equal better results in my opnion. 800 litres last 2 of us 6-7 hours of working on houses
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Do you use hot/warm all the time then? I am awaiting delivery of a fogwash, and see most people on here only use in freezing conditions and first clean, con roofs etc. I can understand this for a cheap L5 or fogwash set up, But for a 3000 grand plus system it seems crazy.
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Thunderbird 4 its F A B
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i always rinse as i clean , presure always on max .thats with 3 fan jets fitted.
sometimes i just tilt the brush head slightly and it cascades down the glass in one sweep.
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This is what i do
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With regards to the plastic nut on the reel, i dont use that, i took the handle off the reel then put the metal nut back on (17mm i think) and use that, i have the cordless drill wired into the pump battery which is charged off a split charger, so i dont have to worry about the battery in the drill going flat. The back doors can be shut so i can lock the van. When i have close work i put the pole on the roof rack so there is no need to keep connecting the hose, just pull up get the pole off the roof and on the windows in 20 secs, i also use an aquadapter. I have jeff temperly to thank for this setup, i didnt come up with the idea myself, but set it up myself. but it is very efficient.
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Great thread this,good info,cant help myself,if i see a better way of going about things i have to adapt to them,thanks all.
Oh and wheres the best place for the van skin hose guides?
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Lee - nice set up mate,
when winding in does the taper (internal cone) straighten out the hose or do they still get tangled ?
they are a nice option to the rollers you can get
Darran
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occasionally they get tangled, but not much, if i disconnect the hose once i have finished, at the furthest point, this the hose come back no problem.
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Cheers Lee,
will file this away as an option for next van setup
;D
Darran
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I would highly recommend it, there's no time like the present, so they say! ;D
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when you say drill is wired up to pump battery, do you mean the cordless battery charger is wired up to it, or the actual drill is? If so how do you do this?
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Fastest setup IMO would include:
Hot water
High flow rate (Not crazy high, but 2 litres per minute or a little more is what I use)
Choose the brush that best suits the job,.. no one tool is perfect.
LIGHTWEIGHT poles
Fixed reels & electric rewind (Something I still have to work on myself)
A compact round
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the actual drill is wired to the battery, you need a good make 18v drill, i have used cheaper ones but the motors start to smoke, take the batterys out if the battery pack, then solder wires onto the positive and negative wires in the battery pack then connect it up to the battery in the van, load of power and it never runs out. I would recommend a drill with 2 speeds and select the slower speed, and a drill with a variable speed trigger then you have more control over it.
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sound good lee, Think i might have a play around with that in the new year, I am surprised there is enough power in the drills to wind the reel in, It takes some arm muscle at times when reeling in around corners etc.
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i thought the same, after testing a couple of drills that i had i realised that it would manage ok, if you do connect one up to you battery make sure that you use thick enough cable otherwise thin cable will cut down the voltage to the drill and the drill wont run with enough power. I got a secondhand Erbauer 18v combi drill off ebay for £30, and it has been great.
Have a look on youtube, there are videos of poeple running drills off of car batterys
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will have a look now, cheers
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here you go
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8UQ-5QP9pks
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bloody good idea, I am well impressed with that.I have not got my reel fixed yet, But It will be very soon after seeing this, I have a 18v cordless that will do to try out for now.
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make sure its a good drill though, i used a wicks or b&q own brand first and the motor get really how and started to smoke, so i got the Erbauer, and its been fine.
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hi lee
this might sound stupid, but do u put the reel back throught the hole every time, or does it sit there when u are driving,?
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i do put it through the hole most times, when i have a distance to drive between jobs, but it only takes 2 seconds and i have to go to the back of the van to get the pole out so its no issue really
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Lee does your heater keep the reels from freezing when they are in the van?
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it probably would sit just outside of the van whilst driving, but as i use a drill to wind the hose up it would be very hard to stop the drill at just the right time to stop the hose coming in
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Lee does your heater keep the reels from freezing when they are in the van?
it did untill it got really cold, i now have an oil filled rad and i wrap some old dust sheets around the reels and all has been fine since.
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im going to fix mine but take them through the floor as taking it through the side is a bit much for me as my van is relatively new
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ste u need a propex 2000 heatsource m8 ;D
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been looking at some other van heaters mate, i can get them cheaper and loads of people have them in trannys
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txt me the in fo big guy ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Lee,when i pull the hose up inside it quite often gets caught on the end of the pole and comes apart,it looks like i use same fittings, wondered if you do anything to stop this cheers,tim
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What set up do you think is best for speed but still good results?
Hot v Cold System
Mono brush v Flocked
Fan jets v Pencil
and also which pole do you think allows you to work the quickest.
There must be a combination of all these factors that allows someone to work the most efficiently with good results, or does it not make much difference.
Andy.
ambient (cold) temperature water
pencil jets
mono brush
carbon fibre pole, short enough for ground floor able to reach 2nd floor
set your water flow rate when you know your own pace
to much water and you will have drips to little water and you spend longer cleaning
this is for regular work
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It happens occasionally but it matter of holding the pole at the right angle, I use the rectus 21 fitting and microbore hose, it might come undo a couple if times a week, also see if the hole in the but cap can be made a little bigger that may help
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Just been looking at the pictures you posted earlier lee.
I do it differently.I wear a harness and walk away from the van.I also take the hose back to the van with me.The pole is never disconected.There is a tap on the hose.
On the harness that i wear (open side door put over my head) a hook takes loops of pole hose to keep this off the floor.
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ive seen you setup slump and i like the way you have the reels on the roof going through the side door, unfortuantly, there isnt enough room in my van to do that as my tank is to tall, so i have to go the way ive got it, but its good as i can lock the doors, so i have to disconnect the pole if im traveling a distance between houses, but it isnt a big problem. i use an aqua dapter too, so it jsut a case of plugging the hose on walk to window, extend pole, pull the hose water comes on and away i go.
if change my van in the future i think i may look to go down your route as it will allow for more sapce in the back of the van.
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I didn't mean to imply my way was better.
I got the harness idea off my mate ian giles.And the hose comes with me, as it does when i walk back to the van.
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I didn't think your were trying to imply that. Anyway how could you think that after seeing my setup ;D ;D ;)
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The ultimate set up in my opinion is someone else doing the work!!
But other than that.
Hot
Hi flow
gardiners slx
mono dual trim
and all bungalows