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UK Window Cleaning Forum => Window Cleaning Forum => Topic started by: Roy Harding on December 22, 2010, 03:51:23 pm
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I started to fit heater today, will cut hole in the roof for vent tomorrow and connect pipe work.
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Nice reel Roy ;) I used one of them for 6.5 years & it never let me down once! Compact, light & easy to use. I've just replaced it with a Hozelock metal one which isn't as good! ;)
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Hi Roy,
can I ask what are the insurance implications for using this.
Someone told me about this product last night and would be interested to know what the insurance companies say about having it in a van, please note I am not putting this down at all just curious.
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Hi Roy,
can I ask what are the insurance implications for using this.
Someone told me about this product last night and would be interested to know what the insurance companies say about having it in a van, please note I am not putting this down at all just curious.
some say ok some say no cover
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still waiting for mine, bought it on ebay on sunday, how much extra did you spend on pipes and fittings roy? can we have pics of the chimney too? and how to fit it? cheers dude
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I have to have the gas bottle in metal cabinet that is being fabricated and has to be bolted down. Other than warning stickers no problem.
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still waiting for mine, bought it on ebay on sunday, how much extra did you spend on pipes and fittings roy? can we have pics of the chimney too? and how to fit it? cheers dude
I will take some tommorow of the flue and the other stuff needed to fit.
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I have to have the gas bottle in metal cabinet that is being fabricated and has to be bolted down. Other than warning stickers no problem.
Cheers Roy
couple more questions: what was the increase in premium ? also do they ask it to be fitted by gas safe ?
Cheers
Ian
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I have to have the gas bottle in metal cabinet that is being fabricated and has to be bolted down. Other than warning stickers no problem.
Cheers Roy
couple more questions: what was the increase in premium ? also do they ask it to be fitted by gas safe ?
Cheers
Ian
Increase of £50 and no need for gas fitter.
Roy
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I have to have the gas bottle in metal cabinet that is being fabricated and has to be bolted down. Other than warning stickers no problem.
Cheers Roy
couple more questions: what was the increase in premium ? also do they ask it to be fitted by gas safe ?
Cheers
Ian
Increase of £50 and no need for gas fitter.
Roy
What is the link to the fogwash ?
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http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Hot-Water-Window-Cleaning-Aquatec-HotWash-/120663164452?pt=UK_HomeGarden_CLV_Cleaning_CA&hash=item1c1815c624
be quick, he sold his other ten in one day.
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You can also buy directly off his site www.window-tools.com
Its on the front page but difficult to see as the buy it now button is overlayed over other pic/writing (top left)
.........oh he's fixed it now :D
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I have to have the gas bottle in metal cabinet that is being fabricated and has to be bolted down. Other than warning stickers no problem.
Hi Roy,
This metal cabinet - how do you access the gas bottle to replace it when empty, or are you using the Flowgas cylinders with the remote fill to fill it yourself at your local Auotgas garage?
If you have a caravan the gas bottles are always outside conveniently mounted on the towbar. With a motor home, I understand the gas bottles have to have their own vented compartment, accessed from outside only and sealed off from the living compartment. I would have thought the same rules would be applicable.
Spruce
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I have to have the gas bottle in metal cabinet that is being fabricated and has to be bolted down. Other than warning stickers no problem.
Hi Roy,
This metal cabinet - how do you access the gas bottle to replace it when empty, or are you using the Flowgas cylinders with the remote fill to fill it yourself at your local Auotgas garage?
If you have a caravan the gas bottles are always outside conveniently mounted on the towbar. With a motor home, I understand the gas bottles have to have their own vented compartment, accessed from outside only and sealed off from the living compartment. I would have thought the same rules would be applicable.
Spruce
It will be a refill one, lpg gas conversion tanks are fitted in the boot of a car sometimes.
Roy
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I suppose you could buy a second hand underslung lpg tank from a vehicle scrappy and bolt it under the van?
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Nice reel Roy ;) I used one of them for 6.5 years & it never let me down once! Compact, light & easy to use. I've just replaced it with a Hozelock metal one which isn't as good! ;)
Everyone critisis me for using those hose reels and say "theyre crap" but i can not fault them, ive had all the fancy metal ones and would have these any day...and theyre only 20 quid! Had ours about a year now, not a spot of bother with them.
Nice setup Roy. Let us know how you get on with it.
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I have to have the gas bottle in metal cabinet that is being fabricated and has to be bolted down. Other than warning stickers no problem.
Hi Roy,
This metal cabinet - how do you access the gas bottle to replace it when empty, or are you using the Flowgas cylinders with the remote fill to fill it yourself at your local Auotgas garage?
If you have a caravan the gas bottles are always outside conveniently mounted on the towbar. With a motor home, I understand the gas bottles have to have their own vented compartment, accessed from outside only and sealed off from the living compartment. I would have thought the same rules would be applicable.
Spruce
It will be a refill one, lpg gas conversion tanks are fitted in the boot of a car sometimes.
Roy
something like this?
http://gasrefill.com/Why_choose_refillable.html
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Nice reel Roy ;) I used one of them for 6.5 years & it never let me down once! Compact, light & easy to use. I've just replaced it with a Hozelock metal one which isn't as good! ;)
Everyone critisis me for using those hose reels and say "theyre crap" but i can not fault them, ive had all the fancy metal ones and would have these any day...and theyre only 20 quid! Had ours about a year now, not a spot of bother with them.
Nice setup Roy. Let us know how you get on with it.
Matt, thats Roys garden hose he uses to fill up the shower....DErrrrrrr ::)
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I suppose you could buy a second hand underslung lpg tank from a vehicle scrappy and bolt it under the van?
Once they are 10 years old they have to be pressure tested and a new certificate issued. Usually costs more than the second tank. If it fails then you not only lost your initial outlay, but you still have to pay for the certificate cost.
Correct me if i'm wrong, but I think the system needs to have an annual safety inspection by a competent person as well.
If you go onto Ebay, there is a chap on there who advertises S/H tanks, but notice his 'safety' clause that covers him if anything were to go wrong. Insurance issues can also become a nightmare.
Spruce
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This is the vent cap and it can shut right down. It is 100mm and the flue is 80mm inside diameter, hence the reducer.
Roy
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just ordered mine, that vent looks better than was shown on ebay. keep pics coming tomorrow please Roy, give me ideas how to fit ;)
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This were i got the reducer from.
http://www.axminster.co.uk/axminster-steel-reducers-prod21911/?searchfor=410083
And vent from ebay item no 220709344374
Roy
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Dam, thought they had come with the heater.
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Just paid £232.64 direct off his site. I am sure its cheaper on ebay, £185.06 for heater and wasn't £17.99 for flue? that should be £203.05 in my books!!! just been done for 30 quid :o
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Think peter has added vat on price and then checkout adds it on again, I always get robbed :'(
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chopsi don't worry I will refund it tomorrow. The vat has been added on and PayPal takes it off again. It was brought to my attention a few days ago but I have not fixed it yet.
Peter
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Just refunded it now, it was easier than I thought.
Peter
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phew, Thanks for that Peter, I have been searching for your number as you have said you do not see a lot of emails. I will order that vent now with the refund ;)
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This were i got the reducer from.
http://www.axminster.co.uk/axminster-steel-reducers-prod21911/?searchfor=410083
And vent from ebay item no 220709344374
Roy
I melted 3 of those plastic mushroom caps before I ordered a metal one from america,....
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Its funny you should say that nathanael, the HSE bloke on the gas topic I posted asked if it were a plastic or metal vent :o
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I melted 3 of those plastic mushroom caps before I ordered a metal one from america,....
got a link mate, cannot find any over here
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Can anyone tell me the max temp/flow rates /psi that will go through this heater , I am wanting 95c water at 100 psi about 5-10l/min , how close will this system come to this . I can not find any proper spces on the site ( or any other heater suppliers site).
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Can anyone tell me the max temp/flow rates /psi that will go through this heater , I am wanting 95c water at 100 psi about 5-10l/min , how close will this system come to this . I can not find any proper spces on the site ( or any other heater suppliers site).
You will get no joy from window cleaning hot systems if your after these specs,look elsewhere and be prepared to pay big bucks
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im going to be very smug if this saves me £2k!
funny thing is ive been working in the snow the last 2 days and kept the tap over my shoulder and ive been fine. still be worth it though. that reminds me, need to take it off my expenses!
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Nice going Roy. Keeping an eye on this topic.
And the name Fogwash is just brilliant. :D
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yeah you need to copyright that foggy! "The Hot Fog Wash"
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I melted 3 of those plastic mushroom caps before I ordered a metal one from america,....
got a link mate, cannot find any over here
The shipping cost is criminal,. but I couldn't find anything similar over here. There is an internal flap that is supposed to be blown open by fan vented heaters, I removed this in my one as the L5 didn't put out enough fumes to lift it. You need some heavy duty pro sealant for fitting these, bathroom silicone will not last!
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Broan-Black-Roof-Vent-Cap-636-/370461163706?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item564134c0ba
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is this fogwash completly ready to fit ie you get the regulator etc just connect pipes and gas bottle or do you have to go buy bits i have asked the question over e bay but NO REPLY
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is this fogwash completly ready to fit ie you get the regulator etc just connect pipes and gas bottle or do you have to go buy bits i have asked the question over e bay but NO REPLY
No you only get the heater you have to buy flue and regulator vent etc.
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got mine today, thanks foggy! (4 day delivery, not bad in this weather from scotland!)
cant wait to rig it up. hopefully tomorrow.
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Some more photo's on pipe work.
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more
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hi roy, what rubber tubing for the gas did you use, its 8mm from the regulator, but looks like 12-15mm at the boiler? do i need an adaptor?
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Hi Roy.
That's quite interesting.
If i've got it right you have four outlet ports fed by both hot and cold water?
I'm not sure this arrangement will have the flow for thermofog to fire up.
I may be mistaken as to how you have arranged things.
I assume one of the white bits on the yellow hose is an inline filter.
A good idea would be a tee and tap back to tank on the red hose.Of course a short hose from one of your outlet ports to the tank lid would do the same job if needed.
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What I have done is Put a T in after di bottle.
One straight blue pipe from the T to the four way valve.
Then the other pipe from the T to the heater, and a red pipe hot back to the four way valve.
The way the water gets in to the four way valve is by turning the tap on, ie red for hot blue for cold.
And it does work.
As for the gas pipe still waiting for propane regulator. But have tried it with butane.
Roy
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hi roy, what rubber tubing for the gas did you use, its 8mm from the regulator, but looks like 12-15mm at the boiler? do i need an adaptor?
Just warm the 8mm pipe with some boiling water goes on fine.
Roy
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cheers roy.
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So the outlet ports are fed by either hot or cold, but not both at the same time? This is what i wondered.
I assume this is to feed two reels.Is this the same plumbing you had before you had the idea of a heater?
What i'm asking here is does one pump feed two poles okay when for instance one is doing ups the other downs?
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does it have to be fitted exactly vertical?
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So the outlet ports are fed by either hot or cold, but not both at the same time? This is what i wondered.
I assume this is to feed two reels.Is this the same plumbing you had before you had the idea of a heater?
What i'm asking here is does one pump feed two poles okay when for instance one is doing ups the other downs?
Your correct one pump feeding two pole been like that 7yrs or more, we always seemed to have one dominant brush. But since using gardeners brushes with smaller jets we dont get that problem.
The inlet top left is blanked. I'm pushing the water in to the valve the wrong way with the red or blue pipe if both are turned of no water gets to the 4 way valve. So turning on the blue or red gives flow to the the valve.
I did this so I can chose hot or cold by opening just one valve.
So all I have to do is turn on the 2 far right, and then chose hot or cold.
Roy
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Very clever. I have two man hot but go two pumps after instead of before heater.Your system may well be better.
You will find two man delivers a perfect flow for the heater (Ie it works better than one man).
Anyway apart from the omission i pointed out(no return to tank) it is the best and neatest plumbed i've seen.The tie breaker would be how you've retained the lpg.
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Roy, where did you get the white filters from that you have before and after the heater?
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Roy, where did you get the white filters from that you have before and after the heater?
Hi Steve
It is isolation valve to stop the water flow, not an in line filter.
Roy
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You've got a hell of a lot of stuff in your van Roy.
I do hope your van doesn't fail! It would take me all of 20 minutes to transfer my kit to another van!
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You've got a hell of a lot of stuff in your van Roy.
I do hope your van doesn't fail! It would take me all of 20 minutes to transfer my kit to another van!
Your right Roger, last night -14 here so the battery took a hammering as its 6 years old. So off to get another later.
Roy
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hey Roy you say the inlet is blocked off yeh? Will water come out of it if it wasnt blocked? If it does come out maybe you could pipe off it with a tap and use it to fill a trad bucket with hot?
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hey Roy you say the inlet is blocked off yeh? Will water come out of it if it wasnt blocked? If it does come out maybe you could pipe off it with a tap and use it to fill a trad bucket with hot?
I blocked it off with speed fit end stop, so no water will come out. And I use one off the out lets to the trolleys to fill the bucket.
But it could be available if needed.
I'm doing more revamps of my van, but its so dam cold out there.
Roy
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so at the moment your running two reels from one pump? how does it get on with this then as im running one reel off my L5 and the other off my Fogwash. If however i could set mine up like yours is a 100 psi pump up to running both reels at what could be 100metres?
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so at the moment your running two reels from one pump? how does it get on with this then as im running one reel off my L5 and the other off my Fogwash. If however i could set mine up like yours is a 100 psi pump up to running both reels at what could be 100metres?
I have been running 2 poles from one pump for 6-7yrs now. It is still the same pump 100psi flowjet. In the early days I used shureflow but went trough 3 pumps in about 3 months.
I sometimes have one person running a hundred meters of half inch hose, and at the same time another running 50 meters of half inch hose. But have not tried it yet with hot as still waiting for regulator and cabinet for propane.
Roy
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hey Roy you say the inlet is blocked off yeh? Will water come out of it if it wasnt blocked? If it does come out maybe you could pipe off it with a tap and use it to fill a trad bucket with hot?
I blocked it off with speed fit end stop, so no water will come out. And I use one off the out lets to the trolleys to fill the bucket.
But it could be available if needed.
I'm doing more revamps of my van, but its so dam cold out there.
Roy
Very clever mate, really good idea. I like it. Just a thought tho, turning the heater off would give you cold water? So do you need a cold feed?
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hey Roy you say the inlet is blocked off yeh? Will water come out of it if it wasnt blocked? If it does come out maybe you could pipe off it with a tap and use it to fill a trad bucket with hot?
I blocked it off with speed fit end stop, so no water will come out. And I use one off the out lets to the trolleys to fill the bucket.
But it could be available if needed.
I'm doing more revamps of my van, but its so dam cold out there.
Roy
Very clever mate, really good idea. I like it. Just a thought tho, turning the heater off would give you cold water? So do you need a cold feed?
The thing is as soon as the heater senses a water draw off it automaticly lights.
Roy
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have you noticed though roy that the only way to turn the heater off is to turn the gas off? got to say ive only found one fault so far and i dont think its really a fault more of a user error. seems much better than the L5 as the temp is more controlable.
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have you noticed though roy that the only way to turn the heater off is to turn the gas off? got to say ive only found one fault so far and i dont think its really a fault more of a user error. seems much better than the L5 as the temp is more controlable.
Yes I noticed that, That's one reason I set a tap like I did.
How are you finding the heater compared to the L5?
Roy
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much better, it seems to heat up quicker and also gets hotter upon demand, it just seems a better piece of kit, i have only used them side by side for 3 days though, fitting my new van out over the next week i hope so i want ot fit the fogwash a bit better as i now have the vent as well
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Although it looks very good Roy, I really hope there is a much simpler way of connecting it all up, All those fitting look a nightmare for a DIY hater like me, I was hoping for hozelock push fitting off cold feed hose and a hose with a hozelock connector each end from hot outlet to the reel, Please say there is a simpler way than all that ???
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you can pipe it up exactly the same as an l5 chopsie
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Although it looks very good Roy, I really hope there is a much simpler way of connecting it all up, All those fitting look a nightmare for a DIY hater like me, I was hoping for hozelock push fitting off cold feed hose and a hose with a hozelock connector each end from hot outlet to the reel, Please say there is a simpler way than all that ???
Its very easy to connect, but the way I have done it is a bit nerdy is it. ;D
Roy.
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Thanks for the replies guys, I was getting worried!!
I do not think its nerdy Roy, Think you have made a cracking job, Just was getting worried i would have to pay someone to fit mine :P
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ive finally got mine working, its very hot on the coolest temperature. im sure i will get a chance to test it soon though. didnt realise it took 2x D batteries. anyone else feel smug theyve saved £2k?
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After seeing the pics it looks exactly the same as the L5 the outlets are the same aswell,what is the difference apart from make maybe and flu. ???
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After seeing the pics it looks exactly the same as the L5 the outlets are the same aswell,what is the difference apart from make maybe and flu. ???
It does not have a 15 min cut out, and can run 2 brushes from one heater also ce marked.
Roy
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Just got me roof vent adapted in stainless steel.
Roy